I believe the game is only officially available in English and Japanese, so I'd probably put it up to quirks of gendered language
That said now I kinda want to know if there's any gendered language in the jp version about the vessel
I'm pretty sure, after you beat King, just before you leave his dark world, there's an NPC that talks about Seam and uses real weird wording that avoids all pronouns.
People making theories for fun when the fun police (‘TOBY RELEASE THE CHAPTERS THEY’RE GOING INSANE!’ ‘We ain’t the Pikmin/Silksong/insert any game with an actually insane fanbase) come
You can refer to your Vessel with whatever pronouns you want! It's yours, anyway. You named it, so its pronouns are presumably also yours to decide. I don't like this take as an actual theory, but I appreciate it as a pretty well-thought out explanation for your personal headcanon.
I mean, you DO give the vessel personality traits, taste preferences etc. during its creation, and Gaster also assures you that "IT WILL NOT HEAR" when asking what you think of it, heavily implying that it does have a personality and consciousness outside of the player which is, indeed, f🌼ed up of him to do ._.
My honest reaction after reading this:
https://preview.redd.it/0o4i0izs86xc1.png?width=220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9370e15df25222997129edb986b40563aaf18b6c
I believe that the vessel is well just a vessel it’s your self insert unlike kris or even frisk if we’re getting spicy here but anyways I think the vessel goes by any pronouns seeing as it’s YOU unlike kris
While your theory is interesting, it’s important to remember the vessel is something like your avatar so it should fit yourself, which means it uses whatever classification you use
People who didn't realize the pronouns of Napstablook and Shawm (I thought they used male terms for the longest time, apparently Toby either retconned it or I'm suffering from a heavy case of the Mandela Effect.)
A ship is referred to as female due to old maritime traditions. "She's a fine vessel" would make sense in referring to a ship.
However, vessel only refers to something that carries something else. A cup is a vessel for my coffee. Vessel doesn't mean "ship", it is more of a description of the function of a ship.
Your wave background argument doesn't work to connect it at all. Please use your head for just a second.
The vessel is not metaphorically a boat, it's quite literally a vessel for your soul. I don't think Toby is that interested in naval architecture, nor maritime related metaphors.
Please wait for the next chapter quietly. There is no way to misgender a soulless gender neutral husk
It doesn't really matter what pronouns we refer to it as since its not really a character yet. I just use it since it doesn't seem alive and was referred to as a thing
I like to think of my vessel as a female cuz..I am one and they're a literal self insert haha
But I like your theory here, even if I don't agree with it
Oh I believe I have a simple solution to the debate!
Everyone calls the vessel as they want and just accepts that other people might feel/call different, as long as everyone knows what's topic at hand it really doesn't matter. It's a good solution to the rl problems too btw.
I HAVE A COUNTER-THEORY
ahem, the word "vessel" in spanish means "vasija" or "recipiente" normally, so, we say that's "la vasija" or "el recipiente" to "the vessel". i mean, that "la" it's like a femenine version for "the", while "el" is the masculine version.
this means that "the vessel" is, in fact, non-binary
I think the Vessel uses whatever you want, since it's supposed to be "you" (as in, your insert into the story.) Then, of course, you get yeeted into controlling Kris, a person with their own life beforehand.
Toby: I’m just gonna make a cool background using an image of water and call the character you make a vessel no hidden meaning at all.
People: Did you know that this image makes a deep meaning being that the knight is actually Naruto from Naruto.
Theorists trying not to take every single thing seriously (No such thing as a stylistic choice or the creator thinking something sounds/looks cool):
https://preview.redd.it/v4zsolg9naxc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44a7d9d698ae24401aea7e2f79210812f1464aeb
You clearly put a lot of thought into this but...
It's a vessel in the sense of a container like a clay vessel.
It's designed to hold your SOUL so it doesn't have to wiggle in the ground.
It will be cool if only the narrator actually talks about the vessel and only prefers to it as YOU/YOUR
Like in a battle would be like
YOUR vessel shakes
YOU ready YOUR sword
Similar to how YOU whisper noelles nane in the weird route
This is indeed very silly.
I like it.
I won't refer to the vessel in general as she/her, because that seems weird and actually think it's weird to give things like ships and governments pronouns
https://preview.redd.it/m8l4xn8c28xc1.png?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87410ab89820378bfa57719b2dbf8280f33c10cb
Technically Kris is also manned by another like a vessel, and you know what that means.
fun fact: the "recent" ocean discovery isn't that recent but people have elaborated on it only now
also, that thing is MY vessel and not a living being so he's a male as much as I am if it's supposed to be literally my body
but idk if that applies
deltarune mfers debating the pronouns of a store mannequin now
next up’s the dark fountain
Yeah
Russian language says it's male
I believe the game is only officially available in English and Japanese, so I'd probably put it up to quirks of gendered language That said now I kinda want to know if there's any gendered language in the jp version about the vessel
Very interesting. This theory... Will now be discarded.
You don’t get to choose the fate of this game
your.. pronouns.. are.. *fade to white*
Then it's never revealed, and the game continues full of weird wording that completely avoids giving the main character any pronouns (just like Seam)
Wait, we don't know Seam's pronouns?
I'm pretty sure, after you beat King, just before you leave his dark world, there's an NPC that talks about Seam and uses real weird wording that avoids all pronouns.
I'll have to check that one ^(By which I mean I'll continue wondering because I'm too lazy to check)
Well, unless I'm disputed in saying this, I'll forever believe Seam has no pronouns at all
Seam's pronouns are Seam/Seam
[Just like Shadow the Hedgehog](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md8nInMGhFY)
Someone do something, Gaster about to Gasterfy the theory!
Mate, you're definitly cooking. If it is edible is still up to interpretation
I think it’s a little burnt, I would’ve stopped cooking at the vessel being a ship in name and purpose
I feel like OP was cooking a rock but it is a very delicious rock
A flavored rock is still a rock after all, and that is what it must always be.
A rock covered in sprinkles
I'd be fine with that.
Tastes fine, but is not like sweet heavens
its only been like a few years since the last deltarune chapter😭😭😭😭 we ain't the silksng subreddit bruuh
SKONG!?
SKONG!?
SKONG 📣
Dumbass it's 📢 not 📣
SKONG 📣
SKONG📢
SKONG 📣
SKONG📢
SKONG🎺
SKONG 🗣️
Allow me... *Heavy Update*
After 17 years in _development_, hopefully it will be worth the wait !
SKONG!!!!
Time travels faster for the Deltarune community since we to were shattered across time and space just without the shattering part
Y-
People making theories for fun when the fun police (‘TOBY RELEASE THE CHAPTERS THEY’RE GOING INSANE!’ ‘We ain’t the Pikmin/Silksong/insert any game with an actually insane fanbase) come
You can refer to your Vessel with whatever pronouns you want! It's yours, anyway. You named it, so its pronouns are presumably also yours to decide. I don't like this take as an actual theory, but I appreciate it as a pretty well-thought out explanation for your personal headcanon.
No, no, you gotta let Vessel choose their own pronouns. Freedom of choice and whatnot.
**i use my freedom of choice to not give you a choice.**
Look, I'm just sayin', if Gaster gave the vessel some sort of autonomy, when it was only made to have a player soul inserted, that's fucked up
I mean, you DO give the vessel personality traits, taste preferences etc. during its creation, and Gaster also assures you that "IT WILL NOT HEAR" when asking what you think of it, heavily implying that it does have a personality and consciousness outside of the player which is, indeed, f🌼ed up of him to do ._.
Oh yeah... I'm just gonna hope it was pre-made to accept its function, or something, then. 'cuz if not, bad design by Gaster Deltarune
My honest reaction after reading this: https://preview.redd.it/0o4i0izs86xc1.png?width=220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9370e15df25222997129edb986b40563aaf18b6c
BITCHES ASKING IF SUSELLE OR KRISEI IS THE BEST SHIP NAH THE VESSEL IS BEST SHIP
r/angryupvote
I believe that the vessel is well just a vessel it’s your self insert unlike kris or even frisk if we’re getting spicy here but anyways I think the vessel goes by any pronouns seeing as it’s YOU unlike kris
While your theory is interesting, it’s important to remember the vessel is something like your avatar so it should fit yourself, which means it uses whatever classification you use
is it not OUR vessel? WE created it does this not mean we can decide if it is male or female, or neither? Just a thought
Time to ban all the people that misgendered the vessel
https://preview.redd.it/sxbm458i97xc1.jpeg?width=251&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29228208020deab5ed5d776cc5075743034ed10e
LMAO your flair
40,000 people used to live here, now it's a ghost town...
People who didn't realize the pronouns of Napstablook and Shawm (I thought they used male terms for the longest time, apparently Toby either retconned it or I'm suffering from a heavy case of the Mandela Effect.)
Immediately, we can't have vesselphobes in our community 😊
Time to leave this community once and for all, I guess.
Wake up, new ship just dropped
Toby for the love of God please release chapter 3 already we are going crazy here
Stop cooking, I’m taking you off the line, go wait tables or something.
There’s nothing to serve
A ship is referred to as female due to old maritime traditions. "She's a fine vessel" would make sense in referring to a ship. However, vessel only refers to something that carries something else. A cup is a vessel for my coffee. Vessel doesn't mean "ship", it is more of a description of the function of a ship. Your wave background argument doesn't work to connect it at all. Please use your head for just a second. The vessel is not metaphorically a boat, it's quite literally a vessel for your soul. I don't think Toby is that interested in naval architecture, nor maritime related metaphors. Please wait for the next chapter quietly. There is no way to misgender a soulless gender neutral husk
May your cake day not be filled with dogshit theories
Toby: Huh, I can make this image of water look pretty cool for the Goner Maker! The fandom:
It doesn't really matter what pronouns we refer to it as since its not really a character yet. I just use it since it doesn't seem alive and was referred to as a thing
https://preview.redd.it/rlenwbnjy6xc1.jpeg?width=1072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d174c467917b29580d930c429a746e696464b10 Bro
Yall gone crazy
https://preview.redd.it/8xptoe7647xc1.jpeg?width=266&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c3e344b8c060f385edfbc246aade8f3731355db
https://preview.redd.it/jbqi8tugoaxc1.jpeg?width=1345&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4663016e79a801cc6101c25fc4a151c28d8cc870
why is everyone here always so obssessed over pronouns lmao
idk but Reddit is the main place that cares about Kris' gender. You can call Kris whatever basically anywhere else and nobody cares.
literally lmao people dont have to be so extra about it, its just a game
Overthinking
The vessel goes by your pronouns of choice because you made it.
"Ships are referred to as female" lmao ask the Germans
In Portuguese ships are also "male" lol
I like to think of my vessel as a female cuz..I am one and they're a literal self insert haha But I like your theory here, even if I don't agree with it
*slaps child* this vessel can fit so many *souls* in it
we need chapter 3 and 4 right now, this is taking so long we have started to make theories about the fucking vessel's pronouns.
Alright but what are the pronouns of the stray pixel that appears in boss fights
Vessel is my favorite ship <3
Oh I believe I have a simple solution to the debate! Everyone calls the vessel as they want and just accepts that other people might feel/call different, as long as everyone knows what's topic at hand it really doesn't matter. It's a good solution to the rl problems too btw.
You are cooking. It seems to be bark, but it’s tasty bark
Cooked so hard that the commenters became insecure
I was all prepared for They/Them Vessel, but I suppose you make a good point.
Guys, i legally own a ship (it's Kris shaped)
I HAVE A COUNTER-THEORY ahem, the word "vessel" in spanish means "vasija" or "recipiente" normally, so, we say that's "la vasija" or "el recipiente" to "the vessel". i mean, that "la" it's like a femenine version for "the", while "el" is the masculine version. this means that "the vessel" is, in fact, non-binary
Man, it’s gonna be sad when chapter 5-6-7 come out, we won’t have these wacky 2 year long theories because we have 28% of a story
Conclusion: gaster fucking sucks at making ships
Idk if we’re operating on some level of irony but god I hope this was a serious post.
Vessel just means the body. So they might end up representing the Id of psychology or something.
Not bad at all!
if it appears on screen and doesn't go "ahoy matey" im refunding chapter 7
hollow night
I think the Vessel uses whatever you want, since it's supposed to be "you" (as in, your insert into the story.) Then, of course, you get yeeted into controlling Kris, a person with their own life beforehand.
Finally, a *real* pronouns debate.
Yeah we’re definitely due for a new chapter
Toby: I’m just gonna make a cool background using an image of water and call the character you make a vessel no hidden meaning at all. People: Did you know that this image makes a deep meaning being that the knight is actually Naruto from Naruto.
Y’all will do anything to not use they/them 😭😭😭
chat is the subreddit allergic to gender neutral pronouns
you people will do everything in your power to avoid using they/them
To avoid who?
just realised I forgot the word "using" thanks
Avoid using who?
Apologize now
There once was a girl that was put to sea The name of the girl was the Billy O’ Tea The winds blew up her hair fell down Oh blow my mortal soul blow
She/her? Looks female enough
Would
Child
If you can make her laugh and giggle, you can make it clap and jiggle
while this is a stretch, it is also very funny
BITCHES BE ASKING IF THE BEST SHIP IS SUSELLE OR KRISEI NO MOTHERFUCKER THE VESSEL IS THE BEST SHIP
well now all the posts talking about vessel are going to get locked OP are you happy now 😡😡😡
BITCHES ASKING IF SUSELLE OR KRISEI IS THE BEST SHIP NAH THE VESSEL IS THE BEST SHIP
BITCHES ASKING IF SUSELLE OR KRISEI IS THE BEST SHIP NAH THE VESSEL IS THE BEST SHIP
It's my vessel though?
While you might be right. We did create them so they go by whatever pronouns we ant them to
Your parents also creates you though
Well shit
🗿🚬
We made the vessel to exactly fit ourselves, so it should go by what pronouns we want it to go by, simple.
I have to admire this subreddit for its organized insanity. Actually solid analysis just totally bizarre.
Mental gymnastics.
When I'm in a reaching competition and my opponent is a deltarune theorist
I dont get it. What's she/her pronouns' relation with ships?
You overthink stuff more than I overthink how many hours of sleep I will get if I watch one more episode of One piece
Good argument, however, i'll keep calling characters it
So therefore, the Vessel's pronouns are actually ship/boat. Thank you for this useful information.
Theorists trying not to take every single thing seriously (No such thing as a stylistic choice or the creator thinking something sounds/looks cool): https://preview.redd.it/v4zsolg9naxc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44a7d9d698ae24401aea7e2f79210812f1464aeb
I'm not even certain if the vessel exists or not. Like that shit could have been kris having a bad dream. Probably not.
best deltarune theory we've come up with so far
What drugs did you use bro?
You clearly put a lot of thought into this but... It's a vessel in the sense of a container like a clay vessel. It's designed to hold your SOUL so it doesn't have to wiggle in the ground.
https://preview.redd.it/9xqb6iigrbxc1.png?width=613&format=png&auto=webp&s=6f2e7958467067ac636a47d6c3caa87986803e74 Which is why I “left this place”
https://preview.redd.it/7mak8d6q1fxc1.jpeg?width=617&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb74aecbd40aeaf23afe10cd5b2e6becd7f8f59b
It will be cool if only the narrator actually talks about the vessel and only prefers to it as YOU/YOUR Like in a battle would be like YOUR vessel shakes YOU ready YOUR sword Similar to how YOU whisper noelles nane in the weird route
What if Deltarune is just Toby Fox's own version of Pirates of the Caribbean
Well when it comes to my creation . . . . . . . . . . . . I hate it
why are r/deltarune users fucking terrified of using pronouns that aren't he/him and she/her. genuinely what is the reason.
If we control it its the players gender since it was made for us. If we never get to control it then I will use she/her for it
Toby please just drop Chapter 3 and 4 already
Ah yes, "The vessel is a boat" great headcanon you got there.
This is indeed very silly. I like it. I won't refer to the vessel in general as she/her, because that seems weird and actually think it's weird to give things like ships and governments pronouns
Gordon Ramsay's level of cooking, Trash level ingredients.
No this is bad. This theory is just overthinking everything! That's how we got the current state of fnaf lore.
I like this one, I’m gonna start calling the vessel she/her
This makes 0 sense please be more cautious when cooking next time.
https://preview.redd.it/m8l4xn8c28xc1.png?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87410ab89820378bfa57719b2dbf8280f33c10cb Technically Kris is also manned by another like a vessel, and you know what that means.
everyones going fuckin insane, we need a new chapter soon
Deltarune fans doing 4D math to remove queer people from their video game.
It is literally a body for you to use. Not a “queer character”. It’s not even a character.
Deltarune fans when obvious joke
Deltarune fans thinking that stupid people don't exist
The vessel? They're a literal blank slate..
Cis people will do mental gymnastics to avoid using they/them
fun fact: the "recent" ocean discovery isn't that recent but people have elaborated on it only now also, that thing is MY vessel and not a living being so he's a male as much as I am if it's supposed to be literally my body but idk if that applies
We can't seriously be theorizing about the vessel's pronouns now. It's not even a fucking character yet.
BITCHES BE ASKING IF THE BEST SHIP IS SUSELLE OR KRISEI NO MOTHERFUCKER THE VESSEL IS THE BEST SHIP
what?
I think we are getting a little out of hand with theories.
Kris is 100% the R.M.S. Lusitania No one can convince me otherwise😤
we didn't build a ship in that segment, do we?
i mean the theory isn't edible but it somehow tastes good-
Welp This take is atrocious Ima have to beat ya ass
NAH BRO Y'ALL GONE TOO FAR NOW 💀
Dear god
Ahoy laddie, your mental gymnastics both worry and impress me.
are you objectifying women 🤔
leave it to deltarune fans to debate whether a fictional mannequin has pronouns or not
I just hope that the sub doesn't start being annoyingly insistent on vessel pronouns now lol.
BITCHES ASKING IF SUSELLE OR KRISEI IS THE BEST SHIP NAH THE VESSEL IS BEST SHIP
Get a job, a hobby, etc.
Just call it an it stupid ass