I mean, if we count Heaven Sent’s use of a teleporter to mean the Doctor is not the original, then shouldn’t we say the Doctor’s been replaced *every* time he’s been teleported?
No. For instance, I've seen *Keys of Marinus* brought up as an example of this, but the travel dials are outright stated to work like the TARDIS. There's no reason to just assume, in a universe where matter can actually be moved from place to place, it's standard for teleporters to just kill people. In *Heaven Sent* it's *stated* as how the machine works.
And anyway Moffat clearly did it because he could, wasn't a random irrelevant detail in the story.
I think it’s more important to say that while the whole ‘teleporters kill you’ thing works for shows like Star Trek, it doesn’t for Doctor Who because every few series all their cells change anyway. The idea of the same person despite different bodies is ingrained into the character.
Oh I agree 100%, I think those arguments in any media are kind of silly because in my opinion, even if teleporters do kill you, the same person emerges on the other side; there’s no difference between one carbon atom and another so you are the exact same person even if every atom is replaced individually.
And as you said, adding the Doctor’s regeneration on top of that makes the argument even more pointless.
I always find the whole "teleporter kill you" idea to be a bit of edgetard nonsense. It's based on the idea that transporters must work in a way that we could understand today...
.... Essentially us saying transporters are murder boxes is like William the Conquror describing nukes as flaming mushroom arrows.
That’s a great point. Sure, the particular type of teleporter we see in most media today might raise an interesting moral dilemma for those who believe in a soul of some sort, but is it really a great idea to even try to call out shows like Doctor who on how their sci-fi would work in the real world? That stuff doesn’t even consistently work within the show!
Yeah they were talking about teleporters in Heaven Sent being confirmed to straight up kill and copy you. So the original doctor died the first time they used a teleporter and we've just been watching copies since
Its not even Clickbait. They elborate this in the Video. From all the examples of Clickbait this in Not a good example. This is just the basics to make an engaging Thumbnail
The fact that it's a pic of 9 is funnier yeah you know the original doctor
Guys, i think the main character is an alien
Guys my hot take may be ridiculous but I think that his blue box can time travel
In fact it might even be able to travel through space too
Next you'll be telling me he take pretty ladies on adventures!
And that he can regenerate whenever he wants.
And that he has an advanced screwdriver
And that the daleks were inspired by the Nazis...
Wellll
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Well, she's gay too...
He's an omnipotent being who wants his soup
Ha-ho!
The Doctor transcends human attraction models
They're probably talking about Heaven Sent.
And that's not even the first time where this could happend.
I mean, if we count Heaven Sent’s use of a teleporter to mean the Doctor is not the original, then shouldn’t we say the Doctor’s been replaced *every* time he’s been teleported?
Basically, yeah. EDIT: Although, in "Heaven Sent" they talk especifically about using the teletransporter as a "Copy machine".
Considering the prior version remains as a corpse? It's valid.
No. For instance, I've seen *Keys of Marinus* brought up as an example of this, but the travel dials are outright stated to work like the TARDIS. There's no reason to just assume, in a universe where matter can actually be moved from place to place, it's standard for teleporters to just kill people. In *Heaven Sent* it's *stated* as how the machine works. And anyway Moffat clearly did it because he could, wasn't a random irrelevant detail in the story.
I think it’s more important to say that while the whole ‘teleporters kill you’ thing works for shows like Star Trek, it doesn’t for Doctor Who because every few series all their cells change anyway. The idea of the same person despite different bodies is ingrained into the character.
Oh I agree 100%, I think those arguments in any media are kind of silly because in my opinion, even if teleporters do kill you, the same person emerges on the other side; there’s no difference between one carbon atom and another so you are the exact same person even if every atom is replaced individually. And as you said, adding the Doctor’s regeneration on top of that makes the argument even more pointless.
I always find the whole "teleporter kill you" idea to be a bit of edgetard nonsense. It's based on the idea that transporters must work in a way that we could understand today... .... Essentially us saying transporters are murder boxes is like William the Conquror describing nukes as flaming mushroom arrows.
That’s a great point. Sure, the particular type of teleporter we see in most media today might raise an interesting moral dilemma for those who believe in a soul of some sort, but is it really a great idea to even try to call out shows like Doctor who on how their sci-fi would work in the real world? That stuff doesn’t even consistently work within the show!
>every few series all their cells change anyway. To be pedantic, that's also true with humans in real life, just gradually and with less fireworks.
so every time he used the tardis
Yeah they were talking about teleporters in Heaven Sent being confirmed to straight up kill and copy you. So the original doctor died the first time they used a teleporter and we've just been watching copies since
didn't 8 also technically die in Night of the Doctor?
They are. Watched it last night.
The 116 year old man isn't alive anymore ?!?!
To shreds you say? Hows his wife holding up?
To shreds you say?
I love whoculture, but I see there latest thumbnails and they are absolute perfection for shitposting
Can’t believe the guy who was old in the 1960’s died :(
I first read it as "The original Actor is actually Dead". And I was like WHAT THE HELL???
I love WhoCulture. They're menaces 😂😂
I find it funny that they think someone who *would be* 116 might have actually died!
The video itself was talking about Heaven Sent. With how the Doctor burned himself up to repeat the cycle again and again for thousands of years.
This had me scared for a second, I thought it meant 9 cuz it had his picture
Actually watched the episode. Not about Hartnell at all 😅
The first three doctors are dead. And the recast first doctor from the 20th anniversary episode. And the War Doctor.
That's not what they meant, they meant that the doctor is a copy now after heaven sent
WhoCulture really is a cesspit of click bait
Its not even Clickbait. They elborate this in the Video. From all the examples of Clickbait this in Not a good example. This is just the basics to make an engaging Thumbnail