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MeidoInHeaven

Legion commander will feed off his teammates for max dmg.


night_dude

Babe, Duel's off cooldown, it's time for you to feed me again! Pos 5: yes honey


Erdillian

Ah! The rush of battle!


Jo_the_Hastur

Camera pan to CM whose skull caved in like an abused housewife


Erdillian

Vengeful with Aghs: *I'm doing my part*


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MrNameless

You're looking at this wrong. Legion *will be* the pos 5 and give the damage to someone who can use it way better. Imagine a pos 5 Legion feeding her Sven. LOL


pikebot

Oh, oh, oh. You are *cooking*.


night_dude

Holy fuck. Imagine the crits.


ShitPostQuokkaRome

Not to forget bounty hunter also using the pos 5 as a sacrificial lamb for gold


night_dude

5 enemies, 10 bounties


soleyfir

Wait, in this logic if you're BH you should be able to track your allies for gold on their death.


JogtheFerengi

Slark, Legion, Silencer and Axe pummeling an ally off duel cooldown then just run over as 4 overbuffed heroes and a creep.


hiimred2

No, LC will be the pos 5 feeding a pos1 by suiciding every time it’s up, they just get high xp priority to get lvl 6 early.


Aasim_123

That's the real carry mentally


max210893

Pos 5 LC, pos 1 PA, after some duels your PA one shots anything


getenforce

cd is lower than death timer


LeavesCat

Lotus orb becomes core item.


uberdiegs

does it double duel dmg?


Gussie-Ascendent

It does that already i'm pretty sure. Since it doesn't block the first cast, it just reflects it for 2 duels.


LeavesCat

It makes both targets cast duel on each other, resulting in the winner winning twice. Normally you can't reliably abuse this since you can't cast lotus orb on your enemies. Edit: If you could cast lotus orb on your enemies, it'd be a jank way to get past Linkens.


vishal340

just pick lc and axe


MaddoxX_1996

Counter-point. Feed duel damage into your carry


MeidoInHeaven

Counter-point. Feed duel damage to enemy carry.


MaddoxX_1996

I do that on the regular anyway, what's new about that?


MagicRabbit1985

Can do the same with lion.


Transit-Strike

So would Mana Drain give or take mana? Since it has the opposite effect depending on if it’s an ally or enemy


Aasim_123

Yes


yagizandro

Legion would rather feed dmg to his carry i feel like


Snowballing_

Dark seer woukd cause trouble. Global silence would be awkward af. Supernova wpuld cause friendly fire. Troll Ult would be scary as fuck like trapped in one room with a maniac.


dillydallyingwmcis

I want that Troll Ult change


MightyKin

Update 7.800 - Troll Ult now lasts 30 seconds - Targets nearest player (allies included) - character cannot be controlled while ult lasts Edit: - character sees all other heroes and will always run to the nearest to kill - while ult lasts, player no longer shares his vision


vishal340

would the range be global? otherwise if someone goes out of range then it stops temporarily


mambotomato

That would actually be funny, like he's a bloodhound sniffing out enemies in the fog somewhere, and your team wants to follow him but not too closely or else he'll attack you.


MaddoxX_1996

He sniffs for targets for a brief moment and starts hacking at trees out of frustration


kenruler

Honestly, his ult ignoring invis or lack of vision would be a solid buff to it. Bonus if he can also ignore other effects like shadow realm or shadow dance.


cgriff03

imagining this happening in-game, i would not stop laughing lmao


suckerpunchkid

SCP Troll


Artix31

Name changed to “Rabid Troll” Now has the debuff Rabies


panckekk

Now last a minute


Arbitrary_gnihton

If Dark Seer affects teammates the same as he does enemies... does that mean he gets Replica illusions of his team that he can control to target enemies? Because if so that could be an improvement, you can have your carry stand in wall of replica to effectively double your carry's damage. Replica illusions go up to 120% damage.


DelightfulHugs

Used to be his Aghs upgrade. Got removed since it was busted. You could very safely siege high ground for example.


Arbitrary_gnihton

I had no idea that was his Agh's, that does seem pretty insane.


Inevitable-Stage-985

it even used to do that without agahnim


DelightfulHugs

Correct. Before 6.63, it would create illusions of all heroes that deal 25% damage. 6.63 removed allied illusions and increased damage to 60%. By 6.72 damage was 70% and the allied illusions Aghs was added. 6.74 removed allied illusions Aghs and instead made the Aghs make enemy illusions do a lot more damage. All info gotten from the [wiki](https://liquipedia.net/dota2game/Dark_Seer/Changelogs).


DrQuint

Also Ion shell would be an improvement as well. Cast it on an enemy creep and the wave pushes YOUR way. That's super good.


Nervous_Breakfast_73

Not really, it would still affect enemies normally in this hypothetical scenario.


DrQuint

Yeah, meaning 3 of your melees are affected, but only 2 of theirs. Arithmetics.


OverClock_099

Last one is just playing with peruvians


kfkots

DS will be the most OP hero in the game. You just sit around your t3 tower and ion shell one creep and your enemy will never get (much) xp and gold in lane.


MammothHusk

Enigma would instantly self cancel.


I_Am_The_DM_

It doesn't work on self, only on allies


hamazing14

Finally I can grief EVERYONE’S TPs with glimpse


Rich-Option4632

You sick sonova....


OCDGeeGee

Shadow demon :)


EddTally

My favourite response so far.


panckekk

It would be an x mark to scout, not terrible


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LordMuffin1

We get the bloodseeker - huskatt team combo.


DrQuint

Razor + Wisp would be ungodly broken. And as soon as wisp is drained, they can just relocate an enemy to their fountain, and no one is safe from other than a couple shit tier heroes in this, like weaver. Like, I see Legion commander mentioned above. But she can do **FRACTION** of what razor does by the time the both of them are level 7. And he gets another massive boost at 15 (armor steal), which is game ending. There won't be many levels after that.


ethrzcty

technically no, OP only said SPELLS affect teammates not basic attacks. silencer and slark still wouldnt be able to right click teammates


10YearsANoob

Just orb walk with silencer


HorseMurdering

Duel would be OP. Just have a poor sacrificial pos 5 that stands in fountain getting fisted.


Willyil

Even better, pick NP 5 and tp to LC every time he respawn so the core doesnt have to go to base


cashmakessmiles

Would this actually be good though? Damage on LC yeah but trading a pos 5 for it, probably losing that lane, LC spending time out of lane not hunting enemies and never using duel to lock down enemies


BakeMate

Kotl in base, spamming recall enemies to fountain ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ♪


TheGalator

I think this and legion wins


Hairy_Acanthisitta25

dont forget IO the abductor


aalapshah12297

If we are strictly considering OP's condition 'affects allies the same way as it affects enemies', and nothing more - then it's debatable whether this would be even possible.


Dzidzara

My sf would one shot itself 🥲


RJTHF

For the double ult tho, thats a tactical nuke on whoever hes on


Chiiitsuuu

Idk if this is still there, but the one that makes hit Ult go back to the cast point and also the old Arcane Blink that reduces casting time would be imba lmao


Dzidzara

aghs is still there, arcane blink does smtng else now which is sad cuz it killed magic sf


ivan6953

Arcane Blink now heals you and gives you mana on use (like Guardian Greaves, but no dispell). It also has lessened cooldown, compared to any other blink. It is a niche pickup on heroes like Dazzle, Tinker and other casters that sometimes want to stay a bit away, need rapid movement and a lot of mana


Asekeeewka

Arcane Blink is core on TA you can't change my mind


dez3038

Riki - unseen for allies as well lol


Powerful_Pudding_881

Ahahaha


dez3038

What about mirana ult? When every player becomes invisible for everyone else


Powerful_Pudding_881

Even funnier🤣🤣


CChickenSoup

If allies include self there could be many funny scenarios, like a 10 man echo slamp into a 10 man wipe. Warlock could be interesting with fatal bonds and upheaval. 10 man stampede would be so chaotic it'd be funny. Undying shard would be cool if you can cast it on enemies lol, 3 seconds bkb piercing banishment. Although I guess tombstone affecting your allies can makes things chaotic. Like will teams want to destroy it or just let it be if it affect both teams.


signeduptoaskshippin

>a 10 man echo slamp into a 10 man wipe. Inb4 ES gets new belt immortal 👀


Redthrist

Imagine Elder Titan getting the bonus damage from affecting 10 heroes with the Spirit.


pork-head

Im more thinking about Decay. 30+ strength gain with 4 second CD? Thank you!


SolidMublo

Just pick Storm Spirit and Anti Mage and nuke the enemy team


aalapshah12297

This is a great one


Yegas

\*Storm Spirit ults in from spawn depleting almost all of his mana, presses Q+W w/ aghs, and then AM blinks in and ults him nuking your entire team* Dank


ArugulaDifferent2598

Both in first place are rubic and morph , some serious combos can be done with these bad boys


FocusDKBoltBOLT

why when there is abuse it's always you two ?


cosmicucumber

*morphshaker flashbacks*


Transit-Strike

I forgot about that era


owis_mst

That's earth shaker wet dream right there


Zarthrax2982

Techies would have to stay in base before killing all his allies


Jonano1365

LC farming her own supports for duel damage, or handing duel damage to her carry


arjeyoo

I can imagine a team of LC, Slark, Pudge, and Silencer waiting for their support to respawn every time to farm them for their stats lol


ShitPostQuokkaRome

Now the question would be which carry would benefit the most


iamjohnedwardc

Underlords aura the ultimate damage nerf for you all!


Kraetyz

This match, I will be the *only* damage dealer. On either team.


metaphysical_toska

We totally need this mod 


6-8-5-7-2-Q-7-2-J-2

We had this with Mutation however many years ago - every day it would be a new "variant" and one of them was friendly fire. The OP strat was to pick sniper and shrapnel your own wave to deny your enemy XP


dasclaydoto

I’ve been trying to think of that game mode for ages !! It was so good, bring it back


ALBlackHole

Warlock would be wiping everyone with fatal bonds + golem + upheaval


night_dude

>Techies has been removed from the game


bobuyh

This became a game mode a few years back, you could never cast blackhole as enigma as you'd bh yourself aswell, on the brightside, rubick could steal teammates skills aswell haha


FLUFFY_TERROR

Technically with enough cast range you can cast blackhole without being inside it's aoe. I think like aether lens + t2/3 neutral item and maybe an ally carrying a telescope


prawnjr

BB kills everyone


NyxMagician

EZ. More spell lifesteal targets.


TheBusDrivercx

BH gathering the team to track and farm the pos 5 Io relocating enemies to the fountain Wyvern letting allies attack an enemy while being damage immune to enemies


Hanamiya0796

Faceless Void... no, wait Kidding aside, Guys like Tide, Enigma, Magnus, Death Prophet, Sand King, Naga, and then some probably lose a bit of their appeal. Imagine 2 of your allies getting gone on and you can't save them with Ravage because they get stunned and damaged too


bangyy

I guess you could totally do an od+kotl combo, stack up mana from team mates and pop the enemy heroes lol


br0kench0rd

Faceless Void ult would be ridiculous if it could affect allies


kyoto101

All the ability steal heroes would farm so many stacks from allies


Kuroi13

I see we enter the time where people have forgotten about the good old official mutation mode back In days. Where necro aura kill ally and kunkka tide bringer rampage on 4 allies and 1 enemy.


Dunified

Elder Titan easily getting 5 heroes on his spirit every time, going up to like 14 heroes maximum if meepo and arc warden are on his team. With aghanims scepter he'd have 28 seconds spell immunity and +1470 damage buff. It'd be like Mike Tyson going all out in a nursing home


Havenfire24

Oracle!


CuteNepgear

LS can permanently infest enemy hero game is 4v4 now


DoctorWhoops

Cast Soulbind+Refresher on your allies to link two pairs of teammates. Get a lycan with Aghs+Refresher. Use first Wolf Bite on first two linked teammates. Use second Wolf Bite on other two linked teammates. Use ult Entire team is now dogs.


orvendee

Bloodseeker’s always gonna be running beyond 699 speed now.


doggoarmy

Any scaling heroes would be the best.. Lion,LC,Axe,Necrophos,Slark,Silencer... just farm on your teammates and GG


ashwinsalian

meanwhile Void


Johnmegaman72

Rubick. Literally have your team draft the most bullshit line up of AOE stunners and casters and shit becomes hilarious.


Sharkbits

I think Grimstroke ulti would be a really interesting ability when paired with his E


Vento_of_the_Front

Bloodseeker would become twice as good.


L1n3_a1r

Rubick would be pretty op with spell steal working on allies.


hugaw1

axe level 6 medusa and morph level 1 stay in fountain +10000 armor in minutes


Chad_Support_Group

Alch with brood and other summon heroes could be fun. 6 slotted 10 min into the game


IonceExisted

Upheaval would be like "guys, stop fighting plz"


Danelo13

I think Friendly fire mod was one of the first mods to ever happen (before reborn was a thing). LCs tried to duel everyone all the time iirc. Oh god. The pudges. I remembered the pudges getting huge


Beatshave

I've wanted to glimpse teammates since 2012


trueDano

grimstroke ult + lotus orb on your supports for insane duel damage


Steve_Irwin_Is_Dead

I’m really loving the idea of Tidehunter blinking into a team fight, popping Ravage, and having 10 heroes standing there stunned for 3 seconds staring at each other.


keeperkairos

Morphling would be very strong. None of his abilities will really grief his team, and his ult will be able to target allies again.


FireyMango

Rubik! You’d be able to do many many more things and get griefed/grief teammates in so many ways


juannkulas

Black Hole


Shalashaska001

This could be a new game mode


RaveN_707

Legion Commander. Denying allies and gaining damage.


Andromeda_53

I feel one of the best is going to be legion, who can just farm duels off cd with an ally and become insanely powerful, or hell even feed duels to allys as a support legion, running around dispelling and healing allies and feeding them duels. And she will never "mess up" a duel if its only ever on allies. Worst, all the big aoe or global abilities, Zeus, Silencer, phoe, shaker


shujosama

Undying's tomb and Earthshaker's echo slam would be graphical nightmare lol .


Youcancuntonme

You can hook ally enigma to interrupt black hole. Yay


kebabix29

Earthshaker + Brood or WK would be nasty.


Eldaneldenring

Dota should have a friendly fire mode!


dminaum

Oracle would.. stay the same?


synwave1011

So basically faceless void ult.


ZombeUnicorn

CM would be fun


bananasugarpie

Infest.


Ptricky17

This was a game mode as part of TI battle pass quite a few years ago. It was called “Mutation Mode” if I recall correctly. Every few days the mutations would rotate through a couple different ones. I forget what most of them were, but I know Friendly Fire was one of them. I tested quite a few combos but the most OP one I remember abusing was a lane of Razor + Ogre Magi. Ogre could give you blood lust, and stun/slow for you, without really caring about his own right click damage. So you just static link and steal his damage, then when you have a large enough +damage stack he sets you up with a stub and you chase them down with your ridiculous movement + attack speed. It was busted.


sined86

Void ult


killerbasher1233

Having enigma with Aghanims blackhole would be griefing


[deleted]

Riki gets lonely I guess...


FrenkySS

This sounds like something Baumi would upload


-yato_gami-

Faceless Void had this feature from the very beginning.


K_DOTES

Faceless Void will stay the same lol


Rubick-_-

Teachis...


chaosdimension98

Kunkka water park becomes unplayable.


imperfectalien

Zeus Rubick combo is pretty good. Both stand in fountain with refreshers for quad Zeus ult. Would smoke break on your own team? Because if so this strat is a lot more self destructive


SnooPears2409

team buffing ults would be useless then, i.e: stampede


Lokynet

I cant even imagine how high the skill level would be to play Invoker, with all the AoE spells he is just a menace to the everyone. Mars could trap all heroes in ultimate, and BB would be the biggest double-edge fighter when the poor CM who was trying to help him dies by his uncontrollable friendly fire


AshorK0

faceless op


AshorK0

necrophos


ZofTheNorth

Pugna ulti would have been useless


Gusto1903

Imagine the fn zombies with Tombstone


krynillix

Wow techies is gonna be a true 1vs 9


leverloosje

All crazyness aside. I liked how you could put friendlies in ice with CMs equivalent hero in HoN to give them a big armor boost.


13ckPony

WW ulty would be an OP dave. An opposite idea is better - what if spells that affect allies could be cast on enemies - again, WW cold embrace would destroy anyone as a 4 sec stun. WW is the best hero to grief a game with 1 move, so now you could be actually useful


OrphisMemoria

LC's duel would be awesome


vishal340

there are few skills like fates edict. how will it work


Mr_Connie_Lingus69

How about 10 man ravage? 🤣


Gussie-Ascendent

oracle's w thing would be back to how it used to be lol. used to disarm and make you magic immune regardless of who you cast it on silencer intelligence steal would get you reported for sapping up all your allies brain during team fights


Living_Pandalife

Axe call and counter helix... and then use culling blade on allies and enemies to gain armor.


pongle745

I will practice windwaker SF combo on teammate


CdubFromMI

Void is like this to begin with /s


identitycrisis-again

An Echo slam that kills all ten players


Rammang

WW will have even more flexebility and opportunity to grief.


Deadandlivin

Things with teleport and displacement abuse would be broken. Like IO, Kotl and Chen as they could just relocate or teleport you into their fountain. Pudge could also just eat you with his blink + Shard and TP to his fountain. Then eject you and Ult. Things you can stack infinitely would also be broken. For example Pudge just rotting his team on level 1 while standing in well to farm Flesh Heap. LC just farming some low level support for duel. Slark just autoattacking someone in well(Assuming you can attack teammates with Essence Shift et.c. Shoutout to Necro and Lion since they could possibly farm stacks aswell, but would probably be bad because CD is too high and you'd rather farm stack of enemies than heroes. Heroes with wide and large teamfight ultimates would be bad. Heroes like Tidehunter, Enigma, Sandking, Mars, et.c. All global heroes would also be very troublesome since you would auto Ult your teammates. This includes Zeus, Silencer, Prophet, Spectre et.c. Best hero to me would be Pudge since he can abuse both infinite strength stacking really early on and have free kills with Shard + Fountain TP to deal with heroes he normally can't deal with. Worst would be Silencer because his Ultimate would grief his own team and his teammates actively would lose all their intelligence from dying close to him.


anekozawa

I mean we have Chronosphere for that already lol


MonomayStriker

Sky flashback intensifies....


lase_

Heartstopper Aura


Sadistic_Pepper

This was a game mod in dota before strongest hero was undying with his tombstone. he was banned every game


orbitaldragon

Pudge


Malagus_90

Earthshaker would be unplayable with echo. Kunkka aghs would cause lots of reports. Trolling and grieving my game? I’ll just use static link and steal your damage


Alien_reg

Faceless void already plays like that


SorrowTheOfflaner

Zeus. Literally quadruple rampage if everyone's low enough


steakmilk23

Oracle should fine to play


fallen_d3mon

Chromosphere would be such a pain. Imagine accidentally trapping my teammates inside causing them to be frozen for the duration.


osmorpheus

All Spells? So like also the fountain?..


PuddingAlone6640

How come nobody mentions io tether+relocate combo lol


ddlion7

Surprised not a lot of Enigmas mentioned. Your team is being gangbanged by the enemy and you see the perfect opportunity to take not only 2 or 3 enemies but NINE MOTHERFUCKERS and send them to oblivion? yeah, it would be my most spammed hero by far


golDANFeeD

Elder Titan. GG


mope11

would be easy to steal spells from allies as rubick


CrixCyborgg

Pos 5 legion feeding damage to the pos 1


PurpleD0g

poor zeus, poor tidehunter, poor silencer... RIP undying


Lightness234

I am about to get a deca kill


GrimmMask

Naga Siren 6 slots carry solo TPing to base leaving her allies and enemy to their slumber party


Plane_Winter

I'm picking Silencer, buying a shard and stealing ALL THE INT that is on the map from the 9 other heroes. I better have 1k INT by minute 50.


NobleTemplar

Zeus ulti would be super fair


Crypt1cDOTA

Leshrac unplayable


Fraude_Honesta

imagine a 9 men Black Hole


VergoVox

F.void without aghs is just the same


systemA

Don't give them April 1st ideas.