That rostership number almost feels like it’s not real. That’s higher than Ray Davis, Kimani Vidal, Tyrone Tracy, Isaac Guerendo, Audric Estime, Dylan Laube, and Will Shipley, all of whom were drafted in every single 4+ round rookie draft I’ve been a part of so far. And he wasn’t drafted in any of them, and is still on the waiver wire in most leagues I’m in.
I was looking at it and even like Myles Garrett only has a 96% roster percentage listed on sleeper. So I'm wondering if we've actually got the even more silly situation where 94% = [number of leagues Vaki is rostered in, whether or not they're IDP] / [number of IDP leagues on sleeper]
At this rate we'll find out in a couple days if his roster percent jumps over 100% lol
Yeah, that thought crossed my mind too, it’s sort of hard to believe that many leagues all finished rookie draft even.
And he is now the only 100% owned player!
The thing is that IDP leagues have weird setups sometimes, like only starting 1 IDP just for the funsies. That would explain Garrett at 96%. He's not an LB, to begin with.
It was like 30% the other day I don't get it. He was also available in most of my leagues a week or two ago when I was picking him up. I was thinking more people might roster him in IDP league but idk how many leagues that even represents.
If you sort the entire player pool by Roster %, he’s officially the most rostered player in all of sleeper. Just ahead of Jefferson, Chase, and Bijan who come in at a respectable 99.9% but clearly not as coveted as Sione Vaki.
He's getting run as a RB / ST player, not as a DB. He is worthless as both a DB and RB for fantasy purposes if that continues. If he plays as a defender, he could be a cheat code at RB/Flex depending on scoring settings.
>If he plays as a defender, he could be a cheat code at RB/Flex depending on scoring settings.
If gets touches as a RB but has IDP eligibility, he'll be a cheat code at DB.
You don't want him in your RB/flex spots if he's playing DB. Unless your scoring system is very heavily tilted to IDP. You probably want actual RBs in your RB spot.
Nah you got it backwards.
Anything IDP is obviously scoring dependent but in a typical 1-2-3 scoring system it is SO easy for a db to put up 12 pts/week. Being able to plug that (with upside) into your rb or flex slot is extremely valuable, especially in deeper leagues where you may not have a RB to start.
Putting up 12 pts/game as an rb is way way harder and inconsistent, and damn near impossible as the rb3/4 behind gibbs/monty. Id rather pick up and start whichever rookie CB is likely to get picked on each week than roster a rb hoping he gets heavy enough volume to give me an unexceptional score at DB.
Even in leagues with lighter idp scoring, he'd still need a healthy amount of touches or a td to be relevant at DB while playing rb.
No, not at all. Thats the point I am making. If he is getting like 3 touches a game as an RB he's barely putting up pts. Not worth starting or rostering as an idp. In 1-2-3 idp scoring if he is making a handful of tackles and a pbu here and there he becomes a very viable flex as an RB.
He was picked up on waivers in both the leagues I’m in (but wasn’t drafted in either). I will take all of those actual RBs over him 10 times out of 10.
Dynasty fantaay football and regular fantasy football is super herd like minded. If momentum gets going on a player this whole sub will back it.
It's why people get downvoted for having different opinions on a player.
This is true to an extent but Tyrone Tracy has had runaway hype post draft and is around 87% owned. 94% is extremely high for a sleeper pick right now so it is an outlier.
I wonder if the calculation is somehow showing his ownership in IDP leagues only? He's available in 5 of my 6 leagues, I don't see how he can be 94% owned in normal settings.
It's foolish as fuck and detrimental to growth as a dynasty manager... people think they know everything but in general, the first thing ppl should learn is to be open minded...Listen to other points of view. The smallest things can make a big difference and there's always some aspect or reasoning that ppl haven't taken into account .. Downvotes on reddit are like manna from heaven. Cherish every one you get.
FYI it’s Vaki. But here’s my thoughts:
Lions GM said he thinks Vaki was the best special teams player in the draft so he’s probably a lock to make the team. That’s the first step.
Lions already announced they want to use him at RB which checks out as reports state Vaki worked with offense and special teams on first day of rookie camp.
So now you have a RB who was drafted in round 4. Any rookie RB drafted in round 4 should be rostered. He also looked incredible at RB in his limited playing time.
>We know he can play safety. We know he can do that, but the vision is we’re so intrigued by the running back stuff, especially because he hadn’t been majoring in it,” Holmes said. “So it’s like how far can this thing go if he’s actually majoring in this thing in one room? So that’s going to be the vision.
[source](https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2024/4/29/24143020/detroit-lions-draft-profile-sione-vaki-5-things-know-highlights)
GM discussing him: https://x.com/dannierogers___/status/1785102264912187779?s=46&t=3-jxosou8oRTvsuYm8HxJQ
Vaki speaking on working with Lions RB coach: https://x.com/samsworth_tv/status/1789118533139681500?s=46&t=3-jxosou8oRTvsuYm8HxJQ
Thank you for this, I missed some of this. Helps understand a bit why the steam. Crazy that NONE of the fantasy world has even mentioned this guy. Gotta take your stabs I guess.
>He also looked incredible at RB in his limited playing time
"limited playing time" is understating it. He had 42 career carries in the PAC-12. He was a pure special teams pick, the latest version of Kene Nwangwu.
Also 11 receptions for 203 yards and 2 TD. So as a part time offensive player he had 500+ yards and 5 TDs on 53 touches in 2023.
7.7 YPRR, 7.5 YPC, 94.0 PFF Offensive Grade, also forced 20 missed tackles on those extremely limited touches; 2nd most for any RBin the class!!
He absolutely crushed it with his limited opportunities. If anything, I think you’re understating his contribution to the offense.
I don’t even own Vaki anywhere but he’s such an easy/obvious add if you have the space. There’s 0 downside. If he pops off once in pre-season or continues to get camp hype, you can flip for a future 3rd.
He doesn't have to blow up. If you flip for a future 3rd, that's a win. If he gives you one spot start, that's a win. And there's still a chance he does blow up if something happens to Montgomery.
And if he sucks? You drop him and you're back to where you started.
You have the best rationale here. When a hype train starts rolling, grab on even if you don't have the space. Then trade the guy with the FOMO and move along. I personally like the situation a lot so I'm holding.
I believe the lions will cut/trade Montgomery after the 2024 season. He has a flimsy contract. He technically has 3 years left including this season, but his cap hit in 2025 will be $7.1 million, which is entirely too much for a Super Bowl Contender who has Aidan Hutchinson's extension coming up. You have Vaki in the bullpen eager and ready, Gibbs will likely be a bonafide superstar after 2024, and Montgomery only has a $2.2 million dead money hit in 2025 if you cut him.
If Detroit feels they'll need that $2.2 million in the off-season, they could even trade him inside of the 2024 league year to a team like Dallas and have no dead money. This is unlikely because no one else needs RBs and Dallas is a legitimate threat to the Lions in the NFC. (Allegedly, they still are the Cowboys 👀). Behind closed doors, this option probably will depend on how the Lions are approaching the Aidan Hutchinson extension. Remember, they just paid ARSB and Penei Sewell monster money and I doubt they're letting Hutchinson go anywhere...
He will have 1350 career carries if he has 200 this year (he's never had less than 200 in a season) and much better backs wheels have fallen off by that point. It is rare to continue to be successful over 1500 career carries. Gibbs is also better suited to be the "60" in a 60/40 split than to be at 70 or 80.
Terry McLaurin was also drafted to be a special teams player; it's not unheard of for these types of picks to get more traction on offense as the season goes.
Yes, but how many people are drafted around then where the coach outwardly admits he's a ST guy. That's the only one I can name off the top of my head.
Yep. I posted about him after the draft and everyone here just downvoted it and my commentary.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/1cha03q/sione_vaki_rb_lions_is_under_the_radar/
Now we have people that are incapable of a simple google search to find information. Would rather just post on Reddit instead. People are baffling.
He’s also stated that he prefers to stay at safety. Doesn’t sound like a player who, in his heart, doesn’t want to move positions full time. Doubt it really works out.
You don’t know what a player feels in his heart. He may prefer safety but doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to play RB. He seemed excited when discussing being on offense. Either way, trying to decipher what a player feels is not valuable in fantasy football.
What we know is that he’s a 4th round draft pick who is playing RB. He’s one injury away from a legit role, just like Tracy, Ali, Vidal, etc, but with higher draft capital and a special skill set which ensures he’s a lock to make the team.
It probably won’t work out, I agree, but being 94% rostered is no issue for me. Every rebuilder should be taxi-ing him and any team should drop a roster clogger for him. The same thing applies to all rookie/young RBs who are an injury away from seeing the field.
Ah yes, he’s already anointed the injury away backup. I’ll take the bet that Craig Reynolds wins the third RB job since he’s done that for the last few seasons.
Hopefully he doesn’t become a roster clogger on your taxi as RBs aren’t usually good fits there. But you do you, this is dynasty and hopefully it works out for you.
I like fucking with guys in my home leagues by picking up a DB and saying "super excited for IDP this year"
Other pools, he's a good a dart throw for me.
Rather roll the dice on him than keep another share of Hunter Renfrow.
On draft day he was announced as an rb. It's probably people thinking they're playing 4d chess getting a running back everyone else thinks is a safety. The Lions probably plan to use him as a depth rb or maybe a special teamer. I suppose he's worth a punt as much as any other late round rb stuck deep on the depth chart.
I'm just picking him up because I have like teams WR4s on the end of my bench who will never do anything. If he doesn't show anything towards the end of the year I will probably just drop him for someone else. Always depends how deep starting lineups and bench are as well.
Probably IDP.
Not very often do you get a defensive player who also has a plan to play on offense. Plus hes trending as a player on add/drop metrics, you combine these two things it kind of has a snowball effect
" wow 94% rostered? I must be missing something ...'add' "
For me (picked him up when he was 30% rostered) it's b/c its the Detroit Lions who drafted him. If he went to any other organization I wouldn't have picked him up.
Why? Because the Lions are phenomenal at scouting. That's really all there is to it if there's one team who's throwing darts that I'll mindlessly follow along its Detroit. I have Gibbs so if Vaki takes over for Monty down the line then I got the Detroit lions rb stack for 3$ FAAB.
The only dual eligibility players that I’ve seen in my IDP/Offense league are TaysomHill and then TJ Watt having LB/DL eligibility makes him pretty broken.
Other way around. He is no use as a depth rb getting 2 carries a game. If he plays defense and racks up tackles and PBUs, he could be a potential cheat code played at RB/Flex.
Oh I know. I just doubt this guy replaced David Montgomery. The Lions had a player play both sides last year. He was irrelevant. Next year's RB class should have options to replace Monty. But ya never know!
It’s his IDP roster ship. So he’s rostered in 94% of IDP leagues, not all leagues. Sleeper always has issues with players playing two positions.
Kyle Juszczyk is RB1 nine years in a row according to sleeper
Getting a lot of praise in camp, is an IDP cheat code if he does get volume at RB, seems like he will be punt/kick return for DET so leagues that count that he’ll be good, clear path to RB3 on DET so any injury to Monty or Gibbs and he’ll get volume since they are always a committee.
There’s a lot of little reasons to like him depending on your league settings
Must have some really short benches if there's an RB with a job not on a roster. RB's get hurt all the time. So I really don't care how many guys are in front of him, 4th Rd DC and has a job still. Shouldn't pay much of anything for him, but rostered? Absolutely.
Agreed, I am trying to see film on him and it’s one or two runs at rb, all the rest is him making great plays at DB. I’m seriously confused on what I am missing.
Lions announced him as a RB so everyone is assuming he will be playing RB. I havnt really looked at him as a RB but some people that I like with scouting has said that if he was a pure RB he'd fit inside that RB5-8 range for this class. Lions also have Monty in his last year and Gibbs isn't the type of RB to have ALL the work.
I think he will be a great "football" player for them. I couldn't tell you what position that is though.
We have huge rosters and I put him on my taxi in the off chance he takes over the Montgomery role next year. Probably won’t work out, but the guy is a baller
Gesicki is sitting at the very end of my bench too. He's looking at me saying, 'who's more likely to have value, a 28yo athletic TE attached to Burrow or a hybrid RB/safety behind Monty and Gibbs'?
In the words of Kylo, "I know what I have to do but I don't know if I have the strength to do it''.
It sucks cause Gesicki was one of my favorite players to watch when he was on the fins (that one handed catch was one of my favorite) I just hate that no team utilizes him correctly he would’ve have Kelce like numbers with the right plays / targets. I think that if he finds rapport with Burrow it will be scary… thinking about picking him back up lol!
To be honest neither do I…
To restate above
It sucks cause Gesicki was one of my favorite players to watch when he was on the fins (that one handed catch was one of my favorite) I just hate that no team utilizes him correctly he would’ve have Kelce like numbers with the right plays / targets. I think that if he finds rapport with Burrow it will be scary… thinking about picking him back up lol!
But like most have mentioned I would guess these have to be mostly idp. But as you know, Dan Campbell loves his RBs so I think it's worth a flier til preseason if it's a free pick up
I picked him up after all of my rookie drafts a few weeks ago and got made fun of for picking up a DB. Now he’s the #1 trending guy on sleeper and I can’t even explain to you why.
I have to assume he came up on the fantasy footballers podcast or something.
Personally, I’d rather have the depth potential rb guys over the 26 yo rookie wr. But I’ve got room for them all at the moment, so I might as well add him too.
He’s 26 but did religious missions for 3 years and therefore doesn’t have typical 26 year old wear and tear of someone who played football through all of those years. 30 is a physical cliff in the NFL because playing football takes a toll on the body, not because people in general hit an athletic cliff at 30 (that’s more like 45, LOL).
he's a 4th round RB. more likely to be a special teams ace than anything else, but he definitely has more juice than craig reynolds, so he might get a handful of offensive snaps as their RB3. that's it really, round 4 RB that will most likely be on the roster because of ST prowess and that has a slight chance of emerging on (a good) offense.
in the 4th or 5th round of rookie drafts, why not?
Fifth round flier pick for me at 5.10 that got 4th round capital and hasn't been given a full chance to play RB.
Antonio Gibson, Tony Pollard are good examples of this while there's plenty of busts like Dexter McCluster, Jaylen Samuels, Denard Robinson to scare teams away.
I'll gladly take the chance on him for that low of a pick/waiver wire fodder than roster some clogger that won't touch a lineup unless I'm already out of it.
My buddy picked him up because of his owned % and probably nothing else. Idk what his deal is, but there are a lot better rookies to pick up off the wire post-draft.
Every RB with draft capital should be rostered in a significantly deep enough dynasty league. Vaki is an RB (confirmed multiple times by lions GM and coaches) with 4th round capital. Also has good analytics in an extremely small sample size.
He’s now 100% owned. Safe to say that his DB/RB designation has fucked something up. He’s a solid dart throw given how well the Lions have drafted, how good Vaki looked in limited reps at RB, and how quickly RBs can drop
Because he was basically free and my league has deep rosters.
4th round draft capital, Lions say he will play RB (in addition to special teams). So he’s gonna make the roster.
If he shows potential as a RB, David Montgomery will have very little guaranteed money on his deal after this year. So it’s a low cost stab that he can become the future RB2 in what has been a successful two pronged rushing attack.
Probably deep leagues. But he was drafted in the 4th round and there is a good chance that he will effectively be David Montgomery's handcuff as the second string big back behind an elite offensive line. That's worth rostering in a deep league.
With the change in the kickoff rules, teams are taking return specialists seriously again. That’s where he’ll fit in. I would be absolutely shocked if he gets more than 50 offensive touches in his career.
It's because players with a defensive player classification use percentage owned only in IDP leagues. He is 94% owned in leagues that use defensive players.
Theres one advantage to him in IDP leagues, in that he’s listed as a DB/RB. That’s Taysom Hill at TE levels of positional flexibility, and if it carries into the season, you could play a DB who gets a few touches each game. If he’s good, that’s a huge advantage. If not, the cost is nothing.
Haven’t seen this mentioned yet but in a rookie draft if you scroll all the way to the bottom he’s the last name. I have a league where commish force drafted him as placeholder for someone that had a pick forfeited
Others have explained his usage and camp quotes but his roster % is provably due to IDP leagues existing and sleeper listing him as DB/RB, he's nowhere near 94% rostered in non idp leagues I'd say
That rostership number almost feels like it’s not real. That’s higher than Ray Davis, Kimani Vidal, Tyrone Tracy, Isaac Guerendo, Audric Estime, Dylan Laube, and Will Shipley, all of whom were drafted in every single 4+ round rookie draft I’ve been a part of so far. And he wasn’t drafted in any of them, and is still on the waiver wire in most leagues I’m in.
My assumption is that sleeper must have a roster percentage filter for IDP leagues and that Vaki is caught in that filter as someone with a DB listing
Yeah that is what I am thinking, 94% of IDP leagues, not 94% of all leagues.
I was looking at it and even like Myles Garrett only has a 96% roster percentage listed on sleeper. So I'm wondering if we've actually got the even more silly situation where 94% = [number of leagues Vaki is rostered in, whether or not they're IDP] / [number of IDP leagues on sleeper] At this rate we'll find out in a couple days if his roster percent jumps over 100% lol
Yeah, that thought crossed my mind too, it’s sort of hard to believe that many leagues all finished rookie draft even. And he is now the only 100% owned player!
The thing is that IDP leagues have weird setups sometimes, like only starting 1 IDP just for the funsies. That would explain Garrett at 96%. He's not an LB, to begin with.
If you have an IDP player that could potentially score offensive points it’s kinda a cheat code
Kyle Hamilton is 89% owned FYI
Yes this is the issue.
Good call, that has to be it.
This is why I asked, good call out.
It was like 30% the other day I don't get it. He was also available in most of my leagues a week or two ago when I was picking him up. I was thinking more people might roster him in IDP league but idk how many leagues that even represents.
It’s up to 100% now lol
If you sort the entire player pool by Roster %, he’s officially the most rostered player in all of sleeper. Just ahead of Jefferson, Chase, and Bijan who come in at a respectable 99.9% but clearly not as coveted as Sione Vaki.
Lmao he just got picked up last night in my league and I swear it was only because of whatever glitch is causing this
Get him before it's too late.
He's getting run as a RB / ST player, not as a DB. He is worthless as both a DB and RB for fantasy purposes if that continues. If he plays as a defender, he could be a cheat code at RB/Flex depending on scoring settings.
>If he plays as a defender, he could be a cheat code at RB/Flex depending on scoring settings. If gets touches as a RB but has IDP eligibility, he'll be a cheat code at DB. You don't want him in your RB/flex spots if he's playing DB. Unless your scoring system is very heavily tilted to IDP. You probably want actual RBs in your RB spot.
Nah you got it backwards. Anything IDP is obviously scoring dependent but in a typical 1-2-3 scoring system it is SO easy for a db to put up 12 pts/week. Being able to plug that (with upside) into your rb or flex slot is extremely valuable, especially in deeper leagues where you may not have a RB to start. Putting up 12 pts/game as an rb is way way harder and inconsistent, and damn near impossible as the rb3/4 behind gibbs/monty. Id rather pick up and start whichever rookie CB is likely to get picked on each week than roster a rb hoping he gets heavy enough volume to give me an unexceptional score at DB. Even in leagues with lighter idp scoring, he'd still need a healthy amount of touches or a td to be relevant at DB while playing rb.
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No, not at all. Thats the point I am making. If he is getting like 3 touches a game as an RB he's barely putting up pts. Not worth starting or rostering as an idp. In 1-2-3 idp scoring if he is making a handful of tackles and a pbu here and there he becomes a very viable flex as an RB.
He was picked up on waivers in both the leagues I’m in (but wasn’t drafted in either). I will take all of those actual RBs over him 10 times out of 10.
Yup now it’s at 24% on sleeper
Dynasty fantaay football and regular fantasy football is super herd like minded. If momentum gets going on a player this whole sub will back it. It's why people get downvoted for having different opinions on a player.
This is true to an extent but Tyrone Tracy has had runaway hype post draft and is around 87% owned. 94% is extremely high for a sleeper pick right now so it is an outlier.
I wonder if the calculation is somehow showing his ownership in IDP leagues only? He's available in 5 of my 6 leagues, I don't see how he can be 94% owned in normal settings.
He's avail in all of my leagues, as well. Coming for the job of 22 year old 2023 first round pick and Dynasty RB3 Gibbs.
Idk how he’s not owned everywhere. There’s such a clear path to touches, let alone lead back
Rational Thought. GTFOH with that shit!
He’s 100% rostered now and only listed as a RB
This subs also insanely overvalues youth and projections
I got downvoted for saying I respect someone having an unpopular opinion the other day hahahaha. This sub is insanely herd minded.
It's foolish as fuck and detrimental to growth as a dynasty manager... people think they know everything but in general, the first thing ppl should learn is to be open minded...Listen to other points of view. The smallest things can make a big difference and there's always some aspect or reasoning that ppl haven't taken into account .. Downvotes on reddit are like manna from heaven. Cherish every one you get.
Remember when Puka was “gonna be a washout” the second he hit the field….and then in week 2……then week 3……then when Kupp came back….and then…
Yes, one outlier out of how many hundreds and hundreds of hype trains that actually went meteoric.
Valki by a mile. Not even close!
FYI it’s Vaki. But here’s my thoughts: Lions GM said he thinks Vaki was the best special teams player in the draft so he’s probably a lock to make the team. That’s the first step. Lions already announced they want to use him at RB which checks out as reports state Vaki worked with offense and special teams on first day of rookie camp. So now you have a RB who was drafted in round 4. Any rookie RB drafted in round 4 should be rostered. He also looked incredible at RB in his limited playing time.
Where is this announcement please? I guess that is what I am missing. Live in Detroit, huge lions fan. Have not seen or heard this.
>We know he can play safety. We know he can do that, but the vision is we’re so intrigued by the running back stuff, especially because he hadn’t been majoring in it,” Holmes said. “So it’s like how far can this thing go if he’s actually majoring in this thing in one room? So that’s going to be the vision. [source](https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2024/4/29/24143020/detroit-lions-draft-profile-sione-vaki-5-things-know-highlights)
Sweet, again what I was missing. Appreciate you
GM discussing him: https://x.com/dannierogers___/status/1785102264912187779?s=46&t=3-jxosou8oRTvsuYm8HxJQ Vaki speaking on working with Lions RB coach: https://x.com/samsworth_tv/status/1789118533139681500?s=46&t=3-jxosou8oRTvsuYm8HxJQ
Thank you for this, I missed some of this. Helps understand a bit why the steam. Crazy that NONE of the fantasy world has even mentioned this guy. Gotta take your stabs I guess.
I didn’t even have to spend any faab in the leagues I grabbed him. I’ll take a shot on any rookie if I can get him for free.
I’ve heard him talked about on a few dynasty podcasts so that’s what I’m guessing is causing him to trend.
NFL Stock Exchange guys love him. They put me on Vaki early in the pre-draft process.
offense guys think he's a safety, IDP guys know he's a RB, and no one talks about him, or are late talking about him.
My league is idp as well and he’s currently listed as db/rb so if I could get essentially an rb in my idp spot that’d be amazing
>He also looked incredible at RB in his limited playing time "limited playing time" is understating it. He had 42 career carries in the PAC-12. He was a pure special teams pick, the latest version of Kene Nwangwu.
Also 11 receptions for 203 yards and 2 TD. So as a part time offensive player he had 500+ yards and 5 TDs on 53 touches in 2023. 7.7 YPRR, 7.5 YPC, 94.0 PFF Offensive Grade, also forced 20 missed tackles on those extremely limited touches; 2nd most for any RBin the class!! He absolutely crushed it with his limited opportunities. If anything, I think you’re understating his contribution to the offense. I don’t even own Vaki anywhere but he’s such an easy/obvious add if you have the space. There’s 0 downside. If he pops off once in pre-season or continues to get camp hype, you can flip for a future 3rd.
I don’t see any possibility of him blowing up though
He doesn't have to blow up. If you flip for a future 3rd, that's a win. If he gives you one spot start, that's a win. And there's still a chance he does blow up if something happens to Montgomery. And if he sucks? You drop him and you're back to where you started.
You have the best rationale here. When a hype train starts rolling, grab on even if you don't have the space. Then trade the guy with the FOMO and move along. I personally like the situation a lot so I'm holding. I believe the lions will cut/trade Montgomery after the 2024 season. He has a flimsy contract. He technically has 3 years left including this season, but his cap hit in 2025 will be $7.1 million, which is entirely too much for a Super Bowl Contender who has Aidan Hutchinson's extension coming up. You have Vaki in the bullpen eager and ready, Gibbs will likely be a bonafide superstar after 2024, and Montgomery only has a $2.2 million dead money hit in 2025 if you cut him. If Detroit feels they'll need that $2.2 million in the off-season, they could even trade him inside of the 2024 league year to a team like Dallas and have no dead money. This is unlikely because no one else needs RBs and Dallas is a legitimate threat to the Lions in the NFC. (Allegedly, they still are the Cowboys 👀). Behind closed doors, this option probably will depend on how the Lions are approaching the Aidan Hutchinson extension. Remember, they just paid ARSB and Penei Sewell monster money and I doubt they're letting Hutchinson go anywhere... He will have 1350 career carries if he has 200 this year (he's never had less than 200 in a season) and much better backs wheels have fallen off by that point. It is rare to continue to be successful over 1500 career carries. Gibbs is also better suited to be the "60" in a 60/40 split than to be at 70 or 80.
Terry McLaurin was also drafted to be a special teams player; it's not unheard of for these types of picks to get more traction on offense as the season goes.
"This 1 guy out of the last 50 is good" is not a great argument
The "play the odds, it's dynasty" argument is though. Even if it's 1/50, a 4th round RB is worth the gamble.
Yes, but how many people are drafted around then where the coach outwardly admits he's a ST guy. That's the only one I can name off the top of my head.
Do you think he’s worth taking over Cowing? Only roster spot I have to give and only league of mine he wasn’t scooped up.
Yep. I posted about him after the draft and everyone here just downvoted it and my commentary. https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/1cha03q/sione_vaki_rb_lions_is_under_the_radar/ Now we have people that are incapable of a simple google search to find information. Would rather just post on Reddit instead. People are baffling.
He’s also stated that he prefers to stay at safety. Doesn’t sound like a player who, in his heart, doesn’t want to move positions full time. Doubt it really works out.
You don’t know what a player feels in his heart. He may prefer safety but doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to play RB. He seemed excited when discussing being on offense. Either way, trying to decipher what a player feels is not valuable in fantasy football. What we know is that he’s a 4th round draft pick who is playing RB. He’s one injury away from a legit role, just like Tracy, Ali, Vidal, etc, but with higher draft capital and a special skill set which ensures he’s a lock to make the team. It probably won’t work out, I agree, but being 94% rostered is no issue for me. Every rebuilder should be taxi-ing him and any team should drop a roster clogger for him. The same thing applies to all rookie/young RBs who are an injury away from seeing the field.
Ah yes, he’s already anointed the injury away backup. I’ll take the bet that Craig Reynolds wins the third RB job since he’s done that for the last few seasons. Hopefully he doesn’t become a roster clogger on your taxi as RBs aren’t usually good fits there. But you do you, this is dynasty and hopefully it works out for you.
I like fucking with guys in my home leagues by picking up a DB and saying "super excited for IDP this year" Other pools, he's a good a dart throw for me. Rather roll the dice on him than keep another share of Hunter Renfrow.
On draft day he was announced as an rb. It's probably people thinking they're playing 4d chess getting a running back everyone else thinks is a safety. The Lions probably plan to use him as a depth rb or maybe a special teamer. I suppose he's worth a punt as much as any other late round rb stuck deep on the depth chart.
I'm just picking him up because I have like teams WR4s on the end of my bench who will never do anything. If he doesn't show anything towards the end of the year I will probably just drop him for someone else. Always depends how deep starting lineups and bench are as well.
Probably IDP. Not very often do you get a defensive player who also has a plan to play on offense. Plus hes trending as a player on add/drop metrics, you combine these two things it kind of has a snowball effect " wow 94% rostered? I must be missing something ...'add' "
Sleeper removed his DB designation.
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For me (picked him up when he was 30% rostered) it's b/c its the Detroit Lions who drafted him. If he went to any other organization I wouldn't have picked him up. Why? Because the Lions are phenomenal at scouting. That's really all there is to it if there's one team who's throwing darts that I'll mindlessly follow along its Detroit. I have Gibbs so if Vaki takes over for Monty down the line then I got the Detroit lions rb stack for 3$ FAAB.
Love reading this as a Lions fan that has watched for close to 20 years now.
100% rostered now. Choo choo
Got him with 4.09 today. I am doing my part!
Prob IDP ppl hoping for dual eligibility and he somehow ends up with touches on O or ST?
This could make sense, but how many dual eligibility players actually consistently pan out? Hill pops now and again but most are a mirage.
The only dual eligibility players that I’ve seen in my IDP/Offense league are TaysomHill and then TJ Watt having LB/DL eligibility makes him pretty broken.
Other way around. He is no use as a depth rb getting 2 carries a game. If he plays defense and racks up tackles and PBUs, he could be a potential cheat code played at RB/Flex.
Yes, this is exactly why I picked him up. Got him in the 6th of our rookie draft, 16-man league.
guy made a post saying hey he went in the 3rd round and was announced as an rb he should be owned so everyone went and added him
He was already #1 trending and 90%+ rosteted on sleeper by the time that post was made
My league has a DB slot. If he gets work on offense he could be game breaking for that position.
He'll have to get work at DB if he wants that designation back.
He can be a really good RB, and the Lions announced him as one.
Not with Monty and Gibbs healthy, imo. Special teamer
Didn’t say this year
Monty's contract won't last forever and I doubt they resign him. FA after 2025.
Oh I know. I just doubt this guy replaced David Montgomery. The Lions had a player play both sides last year. He was irrelevant. Next year's RB class should have options to replace Monty. But ya never know!
It’s his IDP roster ship. So he’s rostered in 94% of IDP leagues, not all leagues. Sleeper always has issues with players playing two positions. Kyle Juszczyk is RB1 nine years in a row according to sleeper
Getting a lot of praise in camp, is an IDP cheat code if he does get volume at RB, seems like he will be punt/kick return for DET so leagues that count that he’ll be good, clear path to RB3 on DET so any injury to Monty or Gibbs and he’ll get volume since they are always a committee. There’s a lot of little reasons to like him depending on your league settings
Unfortunately his DB status was removed.
It has to be idp leagues
Must have some really short benches if there's an RB with a job not on a roster. RB's get hurt all the time. So I really don't care how many guys are in front of him, 4th Rd DC and has a job still. Shouldn't pay much of anything for him, but rostered? Absolutely.
COOL NAME. 2 POSITIONS. IM IN
Also only cost 1/5 of my FAAB! WORTH!
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I dropped Royce Freeman. Worth a punt I thought
Agreed, I am trying to see film on him and it’s one or two runs at rb, all the rest is him making great plays at DB. I’m seriously confused on what I am missing.
Lions announced him as a RB so everyone is assuming he will be playing RB. I havnt really looked at him as a RB but some people that I like with scouting has said that if he was a pure RB he'd fit inside that RB5-8 range for this class. Lions also have Monty in his last year and Gibbs isn't the type of RB to have ALL the work. I think he will be a great "football" player for them. I couldn't tell you what position that is though.
We have huge rosters and I put him on my taxi in the off chance he takes over the Montgomery role next year. Probably won’t work out, but the guy is a baller
He’s gonna be a special teamer and people haven’t figured it out yet. It’s ok, stupidity in league mates presents arbitrage
Since when is it stupid to roster a player when you have 25+ spots ?
Zach Evans
I just dropped Gesicki for him (Laporta and Kmet) cause why not take a flyer 🤣
Gesicki is sitting at the very end of my bench too. He's looking at me saying, 'who's more likely to have value, a 28yo athletic TE attached to Burrow or a hybrid RB/safety behind Monty and Gibbs'? In the words of Kylo, "I know what I have to do but I don't know if I have the strength to do it''.
It sucks cause Gesicki was one of my favorite players to watch when he was on the fins (that one handed catch was one of my favorite) I just hate that no team utilizes him correctly he would’ve have Kelce like numbers with the right plays / targets. I think that if he finds rapport with Burrow it will be scary… thinking about picking him back up lol!
I don't like that move for you.
To be honest neither do I… To restate above It sucks cause Gesicki was one of my favorite players to watch when he was on the fins (that one handed catch was one of my favorite) I just hate that no team utilizes him correctly he would’ve have Kelce like numbers with the right plays / targets. I think that if he finds rapport with Burrow it will be scary… thinking about picking him back up lol!
In a deep league with 3 taxi spots and kick/punt return yardage. Dropped Sean Tucker for him and haven't thought twice.
Basically because I couldn't stomach MVS on my roster for longer than 20 minutes
Ha ha!!!!
But like most have mentioned I would guess these have to be mostly idp. But as you know, Dan Campbell loves his RBs so I think it's worth a flier til preseason if it's a free pick up
Decent draft capital RB. Not sure what’s confusing about that
What I missed is different than “ I’m confused”. And everyone here is painting the picture of what I missed. That’s why I asked.
Hype trains are real.
I picked him up after all of my rookie drafts a few weeks ago and got made fun of for picking up a DB. Now he’s the #1 trending guy on sleeper and I can’t even explain to you why. I have to assume he came up on the fantasy footballers podcast or something.
Would you guys rather have the Kansas City rugby guy Zammit, or Sione Vaki?
They’re both just special teamers. I’ve picked up Ryan Flournay and Devaughn Pele instead as waiver adds.
Personally, I’d rather have the depth potential rb guys over the 26 yo rookie wr. But I’ve got room for them all at the moment, so I might as well add him too.
He’s 26 but did religious missions for 3 years and therefore doesn’t have typical 26 year old wear and tear of someone who played football through all of those years. 30 is a physical cliff in the NFL because playing football takes a toll on the body, not because people in general hit an athletic cliff at 30 (that’s more like 45, LOL).
Do you have a source for that bit about the cliff being cumulative damage instead of a general decline in athleticism?
People sleeping on Flournoy
Honestly if I had room on my team I’d probably pick him up and throw him in taxi for the hell of it
My guess is that is actually showing an IDP league % since he was technically a DB before the draft
There’s no way it’s actually 94%, right?!?
Idk. I’d rather roster 3 udfa RBs because i think they have a better shot at playing offense over special teams. Watson Robbins and Collier
he's a 4th round RB. more likely to be a special teams ace than anything else, but he definitely has more juice than craig reynolds, so he might get a handful of offensive snaps as their RB3. that's it really, round 4 RB that will most likely be on the roster because of ST prowess and that has a slight chance of emerging on (a good) offense. in the 4th or 5th round of rookie drafts, why not?
Fifth round flier pick for me at 5.10 that got 4th round capital and hasn't been given a full chance to play RB. Antonio Gibson, Tony Pollard are good examples of this while there's plenty of busts like Dexter McCluster, Jaylen Samuels, Denard Robinson to scare teams away. I'll gladly take the chance on him for that low of a pick/waiver wire fodder than roster some clogger that won't touch a lineup unless I'm already out of it.
My buddy picked him up because of his owned % and probably nothing else. Idk what his deal is, but there are a lot better rookies to pick up off the wire post-draft.
Laube,Ali,Estime are less owned. Crazy
In his defense, we drafted the Sunday after the draft, so it's pretty slim pickings, but I don't think that's an excuse.
Every RB with draft capital should be rostered in a significantly deep enough dynasty league. Vaki is an RB (confirmed multiple times by lions GM and coaches) with 4th round capital. Also has good analytics in an extremely small sample size.
I saw 94% owned and nabbed just in case.
He’s now 100% owned. Safe to say that his DB/RB designation has fucked something up. He’s a solid dart throw given how well the Lions have drafted, how good Vaki looked in limited reps at RB, and how quickly RBs can drop
I own Gibbs and am treating him as a sort of handcuff since Monty is already owned. Deep 12tm league
🤣🤣 good question. I added him for free in one deeeeep league but i dont even know why. I guess just incase
Because he was basically free and my league has deep rosters. 4th round draft capital, Lions say he will play RB (in addition to special teams). So he’s gonna make the roster. If he shows potential as a RB, David Montgomery will have very little guaranteed money on his deal after this year. So it’s a low cost stab that he can become the future RB2 in what has been a successful two pronged rushing attack.
It’s funny to have the DB color on my roster
Probably deep leagues. But he was drafted in the 4th round and there is a good chance that he will effectively be David Montgomery's handcuff as the second string big back behind an elite offensive line. That's worth rostering in a deep league.
This guy sounds like a player that is going to rack up a ton of points in pre-season games that don't matter.
Lions RBs go brrrrrrrrr
Because he is number #33 If you know, you know.
Kerryon my wayward son
I think it’s like one of those Game Stop lemming situations. I think the FF SEC should shut down trading on Valki.
Idk but seems crazy I just found out about this guy despite being a 4th rd pick
I have idp and if i can put a rb in as a db, i think that could be useful
It's IDP leagues
With the change in the kickoff rules, teams are taking return specialists seriously again. That’s where he’ll fit in. I would be absolutely shocked if he gets more than 50 offensive touches in his career.
It's because players with a defensive player classification use percentage owned only in IDP leagues. He is 94% owned in leagues that use defensive players.
Theres one advantage to him in IDP leagues, in that he’s listed as a DB/RB. That’s Taysom Hill at TE levels of positional flexibility, and if it carries into the season, you could play a DB who gets a few touches each game. If he’s good, that’s a huge advantage. If not, the cost is nothing.
He’s probably just a special teamer, but he’s interesting af. The Lions seem to have ideas for him, so I want in on the fun.
Potential IDP cheat code? Idk
It’s funny
Haven’t seen this mentioned yet but in a rookie draft if you scroll all the way to the bottom he’s the last name. I have a league where commish force drafted him as placeholder for someone that had a pick forfeited
I guess the jury is still out on whether that’s good or bad. Dude is 100% owned now. Crazy times
That’s gotta be wrong right? Sleeper bug?
He is rostered in 1/8 of my leagues and that’s the reason
Not sure, or herd mentality. It’s the sleeper trending training wheels I guess.
Could be that too
I see him listed at 100% rostered in Sleeper. Obviously untrue, since he’s on the wire in both of my leagues, but still.
The sleeper roster percentage number likely is for IDP
Others have explained his usage and camp quotes but his roster % is provably due to IDP leagues existing and sleeper listing him as DB/RB, he's nowhere near 94% rostered in non idp leagues I'd say
its a bug
The universe has corrected itself and he is now at 24%
Dmont owner
Old school run first offense. Dobbins injury history. New toy.