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joosh34

Another under the radar Jags RB with the last name Robinson?!?!


deRoyLight

He's not even on KTC yet. We're under what's under the radar.


Wiseguy888

Keilan Robinson was great at Texas (Longhorns fan) He only ended up playing more ST because our RB room was so stacked but he was a great threat on short dump off passes in 2022 behind Bijan. I could see him being a good change of pace back.


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zivkamen

Good bot


zporiri

Bad bot - last line is 6 syllables


zivkamen

It's supposed to have 6 syllables, just like Sokka in TLA...


zporiri

Oh weird I've never heard of that before, I just thought it was a regular haiku. TIL


roarinboar

It's tough for me to justify rostering a rookie rb with ~150 career college touches over 4 years and who has gotten a lower number of touches each year he has been at Texas. In a deep league, sure perhaps worth a flier, but he really feels like a guy who was drafted for special teams, especially with the new kickoff rules. Generally, he seems like such a long shot that I'd rather be wrong about him and miss out than drop someone more mainstream for him and have them break out instead.


deRoyLight

He was definitely drafted for special teams. However, I think they liked what they saw from him in limited opportunity at RB and he'll get an opportunity to compete for touches there. I quite liked what I saw too. I think it's a good thing that he was drafted for and locked into a special teams role, because that means he's making the roster and seeing gameday touches. That's step one, and step one is the hardest part for most rookies that are still available in the FA pool. If I was a coach (the start of every banger post), I would maximize roster space with the new kickoff rules by getting an explosive back that can return and be slotted in at RB as a chess piece. RB is one of the lowest value positions, and being able to roster a player that has a big impact on special teams while also having high-impact touches at RB is, I think, a strong way to roster construct. For fantasy purposes, I think you kind of want to lean into volatile big-play RBs, because if the NFL is trending toward committees (they are), then it doesn't take a whole lot for an explosive back to reach above their station in any given week and provide a plus start vs. the field.


Daddy_Diezel

> It's tough for me to justify rostering a rookie rb with ~150 career college touches over 4 years and who has gotten a lower number of touches each year he has been at Texas. He's Kene Nwangu.


ElderberryJolly9818

May challenge bigsby for touches? So 5 on the season?


deRoyLight

I'd venture to guess if Bigsby performed better last year he would have earned more than 50 touches. I'm not sure you can roll him out much more than that at 2.6 YPC, which is pretty abysmal even next to Etienne's lack-luster 3.8.


ElderberryJolly9818

But he didn’t perform well at all and was jumped by dej, who is still on the roster.


deRoyLight

Dej jumped Bigsby because he played better, but neither did well. It's a very open RB2 situation. Between the two of them are 100 extremely inefficient touches. It's a great backfield to have a longshot in.


ElderberryJolly9818

My point really isn’t that there isn’t opportunity in this backfield. More the humor of saying Robinson is “competing with tank bigbsy for touches,” and that bigsby didn’t have a lot of touches last year.


deRoyLight

D'Ernest is 28 years old and isn't the RB2 people are expecting to emerge this year on the team. I think the read is that Bigsby struggled with ball security as a rookie and the vet took over the near-term. There is still expectation that it's Bigsby going forward. I think that's well-reflected in their ADP in seasonal / bestball leagues which has Bigsby going significantly higher. The point is more to say that Bigsby is highly owned, but Robinson has a chance to supplant him, and the Jags would like more touches off Etienne if they can get it more efficiently than they were able to get last year.


ElderberryJolly9818

You’re overthinking a joke my guy.


deRoyLight

Agreed


S420J

Also a guy I have my eye on solely for this one clip: https://x.com/allpurposescout/status/1777187082357596355?s=46&t=fGMTxKzGDsqZQKp3H-tvwA His touches were limited by some other great RBs as you mentioned. Exactly the type of guy I like to take chances with for the end of my bench.


deRoyLight

The man has some wheels. I think NFL offenses are starting to respond to coverages that limit explosive plays in the passing game, by finding ways to create explosive plays in YAC and in the running game. I think being in at least on the archetype of guys like Robinson, is getting ahead of where things are going. Jaden Shirden is another of this sort, over in Carolina, but it's much more difficult to see a path to meaningful touches. Younger, also 4.4, also 1.51 10-yard split, much smaller school though. I genuinely see both of them as the NFL doing a bit of poking around at Achane-like profiles in what is a very reactive league year-to-year. Worth mentioning that Keaton Mitchell (while healthy) also fits this sort of profile, and looked like he was on the verge of becoming something before his injury.


rando08110

Thanks for the post


cjfreel

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong here don't get me wrong, but as a college football die hard I always feel the need to point out how vastly different schools like Monmouth and ECU are. Keaton Mitchell played poor competition, but in still an FBS school playing top 130 schools and occasional big name programs. Jaden Shirden played at a school where he rarely if ever played against any schools in the top 130-150 in the country. ECU with Holton Ahlers and Keaton Mitchell in 2022 would absolutely obliterate Monmouth. But both went undrafted and ultimately I'm not sure it's all that relevant. But Keaton mitchell at least displayed his gas on national television against real teams a number of times.


deRoyLight

Oh, I actually meant Keaton Mitchell fit the Achane-like physical profile, not that Mitchell fit the same "small-school UDFA profile" as Shirden. But this is something I didn't know, thanks! I'm very much not a college guy. I'm in and out for the draft cycle. It has its pros and cons, I think.


cjfreel

Fair enough! In general, I buy into Keilan being a STer, but I also think you've done a great job in this thread presenting the case while not being too hard core about it.


Dankraham-Stinkin

That play design is nasty


golkeg

>solely for this one clip Because of the tip toeing? Because Colin Cowherd could have gotten a 10 yard gain on the hole in that D line.


CellarDoorVoid

What jumps out to me is the explosiveness. Watched a decent amount of tape on the top RBs of the class this year and I didn’t see much explosiveness like that


deRoyLight

Right, but teams don't want a 10 yard gain on that hole. They want the house. That's really what you want a back like this to do -- capitalize big when they get space. Everyone gets a chunk gain on this play, but not everyone bends the safety.


S420J

It was a hole the size of buffalo, but he showed good burst, vision, & balance and ive been high on guys for less.


golkeg

>It was a hole the size of buffalo, but he showed good burst, vision, & balance and ive been high on guys for less. Vision? The linebacker blew the play and there was 10 yards of grass behind the line. I think you're just regurgitating scout buzzwords because there was no decision making required in that play, lol.


S420J

Yes lol? Im no scout, neither is 99.9% of this sub. But ive played and watched enough football that even making the most obvious read in the world can be lauded. You tell me if season2 onwards Trent Richardson isn't inexplicably taking the very same play outside instead of following his guard.


DynastyGoldDigger

“He is built similarly to Achane at 5'8" 190lbs”  This is my problem with him. Achane is 1 of 1 and it wouldn’t be surprising to see him have injuries throughout his career. Guys of that size just don’t hold up in the NFL.  Plus, there have been plenty of off-season talk about wanting/needing to get Bigsby more involved this year. It’s hard to imagine them prioritizing RObInSoN over Bigsby unless he clearly dominated and Bigsby flounders during the pre-season. 


deRoyLight

Counter-argument: Achane is an archetype of size/weight/athleticism that has opened up due to the NFL's change in style, physicality and defensive prioritization of the pass game. We're on the verge of a shift, not a 1-of-1. Keaton Mitchell fits this same mold and looked very interesting before his injury. High-impact touch RBs make a lot of sense if the NFL is a committee league, as the lessened workload means less injury exposure and lighter boxes means more room for space backs. It's not lost on me that both of those players had injuries last year. But I think you're taking the good with the bad with the profile. You get the starts where you can when they're healthy. And yes, Robinson doing well and Bigsby floundering (again) is the line you're looking to play.


DynastyGoldDigger

Judging by the upvotes on our comments out the gate I’m assuming there are some Achane stans among us.  I appreciate the counter-argument though. It’s interesting for sure but I still disagree. Speed and high impact (fewer) touches is great but you still need size to hold up long term or you’re destined for injuries. I’m also not that high on Achane and I know he’s an off-season darling so I’m probably fighting a losing battle on this thread. 


Trader_07

You’re 100% right. People just love to hear their players getting pumped. If you’re not pumping your not getting upvotes. The small RB profile of Achane still hasn’t proved anything. He got injured last year just like a lot of people thought he would. The dolphins went out and drafted wright for insurance and maybe even to use as a third RB in a committee. Achane is a sell right now at his current price. He will most likely never be a workhorse RB so his upside is capped. He can produce on limited touches but so far he couldn’t stay healthy even in a committee. I don’t see his value getting higher than it is right now.


newrimmmer93

Achane also has elite speed. Dude was a 10.1 100M guy in college. He has at least one thing you can point to and say “he’s probably the best in the NFL at his position at this one singular trait.”


Trader_07

He is. If he can stay healthy I think he can be good even in a committee. But that’s the main concern here. When I said to sell Achane I just wouldn’t want to take on that risk if I can get a solid trade for him now. If his value was lower I’d just hold him.


Poro_the_CV

Added to my team back on May 20th 😎


Moatorboatin

This sub is too powerful… Robinson is now a top 5 most added player on sleeper haha


Dankraham-Stinkin

May be adding him riiight now. Thank you!


marinodon11

I like this post, good insight with clips and actual original thought


Specific_Werewolf_12

Another sean tucker type of hype and he will do nothing


deRoyLight

Sean Tucker: "This UDFA was only undrafted because of a medical condition that is now resolved (we think) and he should have been a 2nd round pick, so he will take over the backfield." Keilan Robinson: "This drafted player could challenge Bigsby for handcuff/committee touches if he struggles again and could do well with them given his athleticism."


DipshitDirector

Makes me think of Kene from the Vikings


estein1030

I stashed him. There’s a clip floating around of Etienne and Bigsby talking during drills. Then behind them is Robinson (so 3rd up in RB drills) and he casually makes a leaping one handed catch as well. It’s summer, rosters are expanded. That was enough for me lol


somrigostsauce

Oh no, not Tank Bigsbys touches!


Tmayzin

We're talking dozens... dozens!


Pitiful-Anxiety-4326

Shhhh ... They're sleeping 😴 jk


Cifra00

I like Keilan Robinson but I just don't think a smaller back will make a good complement to ~~Achane~~ Etienne


deRoyLight

I think you meant Etienne, but yes I think they'd like someone to siphon more physical carries. But Etienne is heavily involved in the passing game, and if he were to go down with injury, you really want the back that gets a hold of the passing touches if they show the chops for it. That's why the hand size and coaches note about his catching out of the backfield was of particular interest to me.


24KaratMinshew

I stashed him with my red shirts Indications were they wanted him to do some kick returner work too Bigsby shouldn't be overlooked, he had a really strong preseason and week 1 —Jacksonville run blocking graded in the 30's most weeks and they brought in 4 new o-lineman and and big fish Morse at C, which was a massive need. Cam Robinson is looking to jump back from a down year which started with missing action for nfl policy fractures. Something just was not right with the Jags offense all season and it started with the O-Line more than it's suspect defense. I'd expect some big improvements this season. Last thing I want to note about Bigsby is that he's a very patient back, I saw him wait for his blockers and pick the gap. The game was a bit fast for him I think. We saw a lot of hesitation from him on limited touches.


cjfreel

Bigsby was a disaster in Week 1. He just scored a TD which was cool for fantasy. But Bigsby had one of the worst debut games I've ever seen. He had under 2 YPC, a fumble, and on his only target he dropped the pass into the hands of a defender. The only thing he did well was get into the endzone. I think your general point on Bigsby makes some sense, but saying he had a good Week 1 is just objectively way off. I was very high on Bigsby and I remember actively watching it like a disaster unfolding. His Offensive PFF Grade in Week 1 was 30.0, which is abysmal.


24KaratMinshew

fair i totally just misremembered is all so i'll take you on it thanks


thetealdeal2

The comments made by the RB coach surprised John Shipley our SI beat reporter, so I’d say this is one to monitor through training camp/preseason. KR has great speed but was not used on offense at Texas. Our ST coordinator says he could do 4-5 different ST roles (gunner, returner, etc) so I’d wait before adding because he very likely is a ST stud and there is not yet any proof he is fantasy viable


davidmartin1357

He’s trending on Sleeper now lol


lebinott

The reddit effect lol


RenderRoom

Would you guys drop Devaughn Vele for him? He was getting some decent camp hype.


God_is_a_failure

Might challenge for the three touches bigsby had last year.


TGS-MonkeyYT

Agreed, just grabbed him for my Taxi


ballsack-hunter

I picked him up post-draft along with Jawhar Jordan and Jace McClellan. But I recently dropped him for Blake Watson who's getting some hype. Is that a mistake? Robinson has better draft capital than Watson, but he's got an elite back ahead of him in ETN where Watson doesn't. Watson also has better size for the pro game. I would just hate for one of these two guys to be gold and I picked the wrong one!!


deRoyLight

Of the two, I'd rather hold Watson.


ballsack-hunter

What about between Jordan, McClellan, Vaki, and Tre Tucker? Those are my most "droppable" guys to bring him back. Is it worth dropping any of them for him?


deRoyLight

I see Vaki as a guy that was drafted for his utility at multiple positions, not a fantasy contributor, though admittedly I wrote him off pretty early and haven't checked back in since. Jordan and McClellan I have below Keilan, personally, but we're in the same wheelhouse. Tre Tucker I really like and I wouldn't consider him in a churn-worthy tier of players. I think stretch receivers have great final-flex value specifically because they allow you to perform above expectations at the position without a big downside if they don't, and I thought Tucker looked quite good as the year went on and opportunity presented itself. I value the boom-bust aspect of those sorts of players. I personally have Tucker closer to Troy Franklin than I do a drop.


[deleted]

Is Duvernay not returning kicks for Jacksonville this season? They did sign him in the off season and he has been one of the better return men the last few seasons. Is Duv only returning punts this year and getting a gadget role on offense maybe? Either way the Achane/Mitchell similarities are interesting for sure, hoping he’s good enough and the Jags give him a shot at the backup spot


deRoyLight

Duvernay signed with the Jags before the draft. There will certainly be competition for the opportunity to return kicks. Also, with the new rules, teams have up to two free-moving returners, so we're likely going to see one player on each half of the field back to receive kicks, so there's room for a few different combinations of players -- two stud returners, a stud returner and a lead blocker, something in-between, etc.


Training_Potential27

Picked him up because he gives me jaleel vibes


deRoyLight

Update boys: [https://x.com/zach\_goodall/status/1800569908914434057](https://x.com/zach_goodall/status/1800569908914434057) >*"Intrigued by how* [*#Jaguars*](https://x.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hashtag_click) *might use Keilan Robinson out of the backfield. He and Mac Jones connected on back-to-back passes for what would have been big gains in minicamp 7v7 today. Drafted to primarily be a return specialist but could have untapped potential at RB."* We have some life.


tteuh

mid.