I don’t believe the “he’s not making the team” stuff but yes there’s definitely reason to be very concerned. That could devolve into a gross 3 way committee, and maybe Javonte is the most “well rounded” guy of the 3 but Estime is probably the better pure downhill power runner and Jaleel is definitely the best pass catcher in space so it’s certainly possible Javonte could find himself as a rotational player who isn’t a particularly large part of the rotation.
More so have seen positive things about the other players and obviously that one report being negative for Javonte but it always seemed exaggerated to me anyway
Ha. Watch out, Blake Watson has the best hands of all. Should be a crowded backfield. However it’s a Sean Payton offense so someone will be a top 20 back.
This is a situation where context matters. The beat writer said this in relation to how good Jaleel looked, and it’s never a surprise when the smallest guys on the field look the best when there are no pads/contact
I’m a broncos fan, I’ve heard almost no news about Javonte so far. Jaleel has looked like the best back so far, but nothing about Javonte not looking good.
I'm drafting javonte late in every draft. Who's gonna be the defacto over him? Jaleel? Dude can't block and is a 3rd down back who you can't trust to protect on passing downs. Perine? Dude isn't a starter. Estime? Dude was the slowest RB in the draft. No player with javontes injury came back the year after and was above average ( ok there was Adrian Peterson but that's an outlier) but some of them played well in year 2. Javonte looked great before his injury. There's no RB in this backfield worth rostering late besides javonte.
For real, if you watch the broncos it’s very clear that jeleel is far too limited a player to be a three down kinda guy. This is not budget Achane it’s budget Keaton Mitchell at best
I saw a beat reporter on a podcast a couple weeks ago saying he still essentially looked slow like he did last season, Ill see if I can find the link its on youtube
There was a beat reporter type tweet circling earlier in the week saying that Javonte might not make the team.
I think he will make the team but a tweet or two on it did go out.
It was just one beat reporter with a sensationalist tweet to get attention, and sadly it’s very effective.
There is no source from the team or staff or anything. Just one guy who watched one practice and saw a player getting more snaps, then asked “is Javonte in danger of missing the roster?” He didn’t even say that he was.
Offseason is boring at this time of year.
Better chance he gets traded for a 3rd than he is to get cut IMO. There's already teams that need RB help and we haven't even made it to preseason injury season yet.
This is probably a great example where we as a community should be linking sources instead of just blindly repeating. Some stupid stuff could just keep getting repeated without any knowledge of the originator.
I watched the video OP is referencing. A bronco’s beat reporter was on a radio talk show speaking about the current broncos RB’s. He started off stating that he believes the plan is for Jaleel to be the starting RB by week 6 but given how he’s looked in camp he may be the main guy week 1. He then went on to mention that Javonte was running with the 3’s (if you don’t know what that means, it means that he’s practicing with the other 3rd string players) he then went on to mention that he isn’t sure if Javonte is even going to make the team.
This all started from a report by local radio shock jock Cecil Lammy, who is well known for saying outlandish stuff just to manufacture attention. Then a bunch of people quoted his baseless claim and here we are.
There’s not “lots of articles”, there’s one clickbait whore and a bunch of concern trolls giving him what he wants and repeating it. There’s definitely uncertainty in the Broncos RB room, but Javonte is still the #1 for now.
I'm not sure what articles you're reading but he's 2 years now removed from blowing his knee up, and had 1000+ yards last year in that slog of an offense. In my mind he's undisputed RB1 this year for the Broncos and everyone else is competing for RB2, despite what anything from OTAs says.
His snap % wasn't as high as I'd like it to be last year and there is a scenario where he is 1a and another is 1b in a committee but he's still the dude, at least for this year.
Also, it's the final year of his rookie contact. He's going to be used and abused even more this year I'd imagine.
Don't worry, he's still him. Whatever him entails for you, that's up to you. I'd imagine similar numbers to last year. His value is at its lowest rn anyways.
The guys who get used and abused in the final year of their contracts are good players. They're not going to give Javonte a ton of work so he can run for 3 ypc and punt.
Nah whatever posts yall are talking about are wild. Javonte just put up 1k total yards on an atrocious offense and is now 2 years removed from the ACL. Sleeper update 16 days ago read that Payton said Javonte is looking good in camp.
They're talking about a Sigmund Bloom tweet, same guy who was adamant that Ronald Jones was the lead back over Fournette in Tampa a few years back and was horribly wrong.
Jaleel couldn’t beat Javonte out last year coming off a major, multi ligament knee injury, but I’m expected to believe that Jaleel’s gonna take over as RB1 now that Javonte is a year further removed from his injury? Teams do dumb things sometimes I guess but that would surprise me.
I’m really hoping he gets traded as I’ve had him since the rookie draft. I picked up Jaleel heading into the off season. Then Denver brought in a couple more backs. I don’t think any of them will unseat him as the starter, but they’ll eat into his production for fantasy purposes. Abt a month ago, Dallas was rumored to have interest. I’m popping champagne if he goes there!
Yeah I don’t believe the “Williams may not make the final roster” smoke
Audric Estime is dealing with a knee injury- if they cut Williams, who else is going to take the early down role? McLaughlin/Watson don’t profile as that type of back. Perine is looking like a cap casualty.
Think Williams safely makes the team and we are looking back at this talk in October shaking our heads
Personally I try to not put any stock into off-season news until training camp and even then I’m very careful. I’ve been burned too many times by camp hype and overzealous off-season reporting this time of year. Also Cecil (the guy who started this whole he might get cut narrative) has lost my trust. I don’t think he can be trusted at this point when it comes to the broncos. He hyped up Sutton heavily two years ago as Russ’s favorite target blah blah and he disappointed and then last year he said Jaleel was essentially going to take over the backfield and do all this stuff and besides two hyper efficient weeks he didn’t do much of anything.
2nd this. I feel like a couple of years ago, Cecil was/felt pretty tapped this. This past year tho, it feels very engagement farm-y. It’s unfortunate, because Sigmund is a great listen.
I don't understand the idea of him not making the team. He's on a fully guaranteed contract that is already very small. The only reason he wouldn't make the roster is if they needed the spot because they had an overwhelming amount of talent. But the broncos have arguably a bottom 5 roster in the NFL.
There is absolutely no reason for them to cut him. They gain nothing from it.
His stock has definitely fallen a bit with the uncertainty. He's not a Payton guy, meanwhile Jaleel and Estime are since he brought them in. But he's talented, and I like Payton's rushing system, so I still think he's a solid bet at cost.
I’d be super worried about Javonte. He’s not this regime’s guy, he was ineffective, they didn’t witness his play pre-injury. It sounds like he’s not back to that level. Payton like McLaughlin and added a couple backs. Javonte about to be a free agent and doesn’t play special teams.
Sean Payton didn’t draft Williams so him getting moved to a committee would not be a surprise at all. Getting traded maybe…. getting cut not going to happen. Unfortunately I have both RB’s on a roster.
I think this is gonna play out similar to Josh Jacobs 2 years ago...offseason talks of him maybe not even being the starter, big discount in drafts, and ends up being the clear workhorse for the year. I don't see a world where he's not the heavy lead in touches, but just my opinion
I think it depends on what you’re looking for out of him. I don’t think he’s going to get cut, but all signs point to McLaughlin and Estime having a role on the offense. Williams could be the “RB1” on the team but still end up no better than a flex-play for fantasy. Just temper your expectations
SP historically likes to rotate a power back and passing back. IMO that’s Estime and Jaleel, Javonte unfortunately needs to prove he’s still a valuable player and most likely will need to do so on another team as I could see him as a rotational mix up on the broncos more so than a workhorse
Keep in mind there was one comment from a Broncos beat reporter that everyone is citing in these articles that is notorious for BSing and being wrong.
Benjamin Allbright, who is one of the best in the business, still expects Javonte to be the lead back.
On the recent news tab under his profile on Sleeper it says,
“Javonte Williams looking good in camp. Broncos coach Sean Payton said Javonte Williams is “looking good” in camp.” And then there’s the analysis done by Fantasy Pros.
That was 16 days ago.
At this point he’s not the rb1 everyone hoped for. Perhaps it’s time to accept that but I see no reason why he couldn’t have a borderline top 10-12 finish
Jaleel is the best upside back to hold in Denver. He should be the starter but I think coming off Javontes injury a 50/50 split is Jaleel worst case this year with upside as the #1 on a team that may have to rely on their RB for a lot of dump offs. Jaleel was 31 recs on 36 targets last year.
I've been saying for years, avoid the Denver backfield for fantasy. It's always some weird under performing committee style mess. Everyone said not true, or told me Sean Peyton would change that..
Yup, here we are again.
I’m not looking it up because I don’t care about Javonte tbh. I have zero shares of him and unless his value falls more I don’t plan on having any shares of him.
I’m aware of Google. If I cared I’d look it up, but I don’t. Are you aware that the burden of proof is yours when you’re attempting to prove something?
But that’s the thing I’m not proving anything, I don’t have a side. I’m asking from people who are actually informed on the matter. So if you don’t know, don’t gotta comment 🤷♂️
I don’t believe the “he’s not making the team” stuff but yes there’s definitely reason to be very concerned. That could devolve into a gross 3 way committee, and maybe Javonte is the most “well rounded” guy of the 3 but Estime is probably the better pure downhill power runner and Jaleel is definitely the best pass catcher in space so it’s certainly possible Javonte could find himself as a rotational player who isn’t a particularly large part of the rotation.
Enough smoke where I don’t trust he’ll be the clear lead, or at least too split of a committee for it to really matter
Wait, is 1 bad report considered smoke? There was a report just a few weeks ago that javonte looked great. I've only seen 2 reports, 1 bad 1 good.
More so have seen positive things about the other players and obviously that one report being negative for Javonte but it always seemed exaggerated to me anyway
Im so happy I offloaded him for a 2025 1st before any of this news came out.
Noice, gw
Cool
Agree, not a good look but no shot he doesn't make the team right? lol
Definitely would be traded before cut, plenty of teams could use a decent RB
Ha. Watch out, Blake Watson has the best hands of all. Should be a crowded backfield. However it’s a Sean Payton offense so someone will be a top 20 back.
My ears always perk up with negative news in the offseason.
This is a situation where context matters. The beat writer said this in relation to how good Jaleel looked, and it’s never a surprise when the smallest guys on the field look the best when there are no pads/contact
Oh he's a screaming sell right now.
Jaleel or Javonte?
Jaleel
I’m a broncos fan, I’ve heard almost no news about Javonte so far. Jaleel has looked like the best back so far, but nothing about Javonte not looking good.
I'm drafting javonte late in every draft. Who's gonna be the defacto over him? Jaleel? Dude can't block and is a 3rd down back who you can't trust to protect on passing downs. Perine? Dude isn't a starter. Estime? Dude was the slowest RB in the draft. No player with javontes injury came back the year after and was above average ( ok there was Adrian Peterson but that's an outlier) but some of them played well in year 2. Javonte looked great before his injury. There's no RB in this backfield worth rostering late besides javonte.
For real, if you watch the broncos it’s very clear that jeleel is far too limited a player to be a three down kinda guy. This is not budget Achane it’s budget Keaton Mitchell at best
I saw a beat reporter on a podcast a couple weeks ago saying he still essentially looked slow like he did last season, Ill see if I can find the link its on youtube
https://x.com/codyroarknfl/status/1796585262157349291?s=46
There was a beat reporter type tweet circling earlier in the week saying that Javonte might not make the team. I think he will make the team but a tweet or two on it did go out.
clickbait
As a Javinte owner I'd be stoked if he didn't make the team. Dallas would pick him up in a heartbeat!
Or 30 other teams.
As an owner of both Jaleel and Javonte, this is a dream come true my friend
And there was a report the previous week of how good Javonte was looking. It’s the worst time of the year.
I saw one clickbait tweet, nothing of actual substance
Is there some sources saying he won’t make the team? If so, can you link them here?
It was just one beat reporter with a sensationalist tweet to get attention, and sadly it’s very effective. There is no source from the team or staff or anything. Just one guy who watched one practice and saw a player getting more snaps, then asked “is Javonte in danger of missing the roster?” He didn’t even say that he was. Offseason is boring at this time of year.
There was one guy who said it to be edgy then a bunch to repeat it. He's making 2 mil, I don't think it's realistic he gets cut
Better chance he gets traded for a 3rd than he is to get cut IMO. There's already teams that need RB help and we haven't even made it to preseason injury season yet.
Javonte and a 4th probably couldn't fetch a 3rd.
This is probably a great example where we as a community should be linking sources instead of just blindly repeating. Some stupid stuff could just keep getting repeated without any knowledge of the originator.
I watched the video OP is referencing. A bronco’s beat reporter was on a radio talk show speaking about the current broncos RB’s. He started off stating that he believes the plan is for Jaleel to be the starting RB by week 6 but given how he’s looked in camp he may be the main guy week 1. He then went on to mention that Javonte was running with the 3’s (if you don’t know what that means, it means that he’s practicing with the other 3rd string players) he then went on to mention that he isn’t sure if Javonte is even going to make the team.
https://x.com/SleeperNFL/status/1801059799469031509 This is what they’re talking about. It was blasted out on sleeper a few days ago
This all started from a report by local radio shock jock Cecil Lammy, who is well known for saying outlandish stuff just to manufacture attention. Then a bunch of people quoted his baseless claim and here we are.
There’s not “lots of articles”, there’s one clickbait whore and a bunch of concern trolls giving him what he wants and repeating it. There’s definitely uncertainty in the Broncos RB room, but Javonte is still the #1 for now.
I'm not sure what articles you're reading but he's 2 years now removed from blowing his knee up, and had 1000+ yards last year in that slog of an offense. In my mind he's undisputed RB1 this year for the Broncos and everyone else is competing for RB2, despite what anything from OTAs says. His snap % wasn't as high as I'd like it to be last year and there is a scenario where he is 1a and another is 1b in a committee but he's still the dude, at least for this year. Also, it's the final year of his rookie contact. He's going to be used and abused even more this year I'd imagine. Don't worry, he's still him. Whatever him entails for you, that's up to you. I'd imagine similar numbers to last year. His value is at its lowest rn anyways.
I got him for a future 1st for 2nd pick swap. Seems like his market is low enough he’s worth the risk.
The guys who get used and abused in the final year of their contracts are good players. They're not going to give Javonte a ton of work so he can run for 3 ypc and punt.
Nah whatever posts yall are talking about are wild. Javonte just put up 1k total yards on an atrocious offense and is now 2 years removed from the ACL. Sleeper update 16 days ago read that Payton said Javonte is looking good in camp.
They're talking about a Sigmund Bloom tweet, same guy who was adamant that Ronald Jones was the lead back over Fournette in Tampa a few years back and was horribly wrong.
1k yards = 55 total yards a game. idk what u think ur saying but thats not great
Jaleel couldn’t beat Javonte out last year coming off a major, multi ligament knee injury, but I’m expected to believe that Jaleel’s gonna take over as RB1 now that Javonte is a year further removed from his injury? Teams do dumb things sometimes I guess but that would surprise me.
I’m really hoping he gets traded as I’ve had him since the rookie draft. I picked up Jaleel heading into the off season. Then Denver brought in a couple more backs. I don’t think any of them will unseat him as the starter, but they’ll eat into his production for fantasy purposes. Abt a month ago, Dallas was rumored to have interest. I’m popping champagne if he goes there!
Wait, were we ever NOT concerned?
I look forward to drafting their starting RB in my 2025 rookie draft
Yeah I don’t believe the “Williams may not make the final roster” smoke Audric Estime is dealing with a knee injury- if they cut Williams, who else is going to take the early down role? McLaughlin/Watson don’t profile as that type of back. Perine is looking like a cap casualty. Think Williams safely makes the team and we are looking back at this talk in October shaking our heads
Personally I try to not put any stock into off-season news until training camp and even then I’m very careful. I’ve been burned too many times by camp hype and overzealous off-season reporting this time of year. Also Cecil (the guy who started this whole he might get cut narrative) has lost my trust. I don’t think he can be trusted at this point when it comes to the broncos. He hyped up Sutton heavily two years ago as Russ’s favorite target blah blah and he disappointed and then last year he said Jaleel was essentially going to take over the backfield and do all this stuff and besides two hyper efficient weeks he didn’t do much of anything.
2nd this. I feel like a couple of years ago, Cecil was/felt pretty tapped this. This past year tho, it feels very engagement farm-y. It’s unfortunate, because Sigmund is a great listen.
Maybe Dallas should trade a late pick for him
Ever since I saw that click bait tweet I've hoped he got cut and signed by the Cowboys, his value would skyrocket.
If you own him, hold, if you don't own him, spam the group chat with these negative headlines and try to snag a discount
I don't understand the idea of him not making the team. He's on a fully guaranteed contract that is already very small. The only reason he wouldn't make the roster is if they needed the spot because they had an overwhelming amount of talent. But the broncos have arguably a bottom 5 roster in the NFL. There is absolutely no reason for them to cut him. They gain nothing from it.
Yes. Blake Watson rb1
His stock has definitely fallen a bit with the uncertainty. He's not a Payton guy, meanwhile Jaleel and Estime are since he brought them in. But he's talented, and I like Payton's rushing system, so I still think he's a solid bet at cost.
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I’m very hopeful of this. I think if people believe Chubb can come back, Javonte can
I'm not worried at all. This always happens to get views. He's their rb1 for the future.
I’m holding. I have the depth to overcome him getting demoted. Might as well see how it plays out.
I’d be super worried about Javonte. He’s not this regime’s guy, he was ineffective, they didn’t witness his play pre-injury. It sounds like he’s not back to that level. Payton like McLaughlin and added a couple backs. Javonte about to be a free agent and doesn’t play special teams.
As a Jaleel owner I hope it’s real 😂 cause I need another RB for a plug and play here and there lol
Meh he's the best of a bad bunch.
Sean Payton didn’t draft Williams so him getting moved to a committee would not be a surprise at all. Getting traded maybe…. getting cut not going to happen. Unfortunately I have both RB’s on a roster.
I think this is gonna play out similar to Josh Jacobs 2 years ago...offseason talks of him maybe not even being the starter, big discount in drafts, and ends up being the clear workhorse for the year. I don't see a world where he's not the heavy lead in touches, but just my opinion
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I think it depends on what you’re looking for out of him. I don’t think he’s going to get cut, but all signs point to McLaughlin and Estime having a role on the offense. Williams could be the “RB1” on the team but still end up no better than a flex-play for fantasy. Just temper your expectations
SP historically likes to rotate a power back and passing back. IMO that’s Estime and Jaleel, Javonte unfortunately needs to prove he’s still a valuable player and most likely will need to do so on another team as I could see him as a rotational mix up on the broncos more so than a workhorse
Literally just got him yesterday and now you post this?
Did you not search the sub? Word from otas and camp is that he hasn't been doing well at all.
No, word from aggregator engagement farming Twitter accounts have been saying that. Sean Peyton actually had positive things to say about him.
Audric Estime will be the new starter by mid season.
Keep in mind there was one comment from a Broncos beat reporter that everyone is citing in these articles that is notorious for BSing and being wrong. Benjamin Allbright, who is one of the best in the business, still expects Javonte to be the lead back.
Signs were there all last season. Dude was always over hyped and never that great of a prospect.
I was offered Zamir for Javonte straight up and hit accept pretty quick. Just don’t like the vibe around Denver atm.
Maybe a Javonte trade to the Cowboys?
Not making the roster is wild 😭😭
Major committee in the backfield but the whole team sucks. I want no part of the broncos offense they are going to be ass this year.
When we start believing “he might not even make the roster” it is time to put the phone down
On the recent news tab under his profile on Sleeper it says, “Javonte Williams looking good in camp. Broncos coach Sean Payton said Javonte Williams is “looking good” in camp.” And then there’s the analysis done by Fantasy Pros. That was 16 days ago.
At this point he’s not the rb1 everyone hoped for. Perhaps it’s time to accept that but I see no reason why he couldn’t have a borderline top 10-12 finish
My AJB for Javonte 1:1 swap 2 seasons ago just doesn’t stop paying dividends huh
That’s unreal. I swapped McLaurin and Zeke for AJB around the same time
Jaleel is the best upside back to hold in Denver. He should be the starter but I think coming off Javontes injury a 50/50 split is Jaleel worst case this year with upside as the #1 on a team that may have to rely on their RB for a lot of dump offs. Jaleel was 31 recs on 36 targets last year.
I've been saying for years, avoid the Denver backfield for fantasy. It's always some weird under performing committee style mess. Everyone said not true, or told me Sean Peyton would change that.. Yup, here we are again.
You’re claiming there’s lots of articles but didn’t link any of them. Interesting.
I’m not saying they are true. Also there’s something called Google
I’m not looking it up because I don’t care about Javonte tbh. I have zero shares of him and unless his value falls more I don’t plan on having any shares of him. I’m aware of Google. If I cared I’d look it up, but I don’t. Are you aware that the burden of proof is yours when you’re attempting to prove something?
But that’s the thing I’m not proving anything, I don’t have a side. I’m asking from people who are actually informed on the matter. So if you don’t know, don’t gotta comment 🤷♂️