I believe I have read it is intended to dissuade cities from building real subways and that Elon knows it can’t work. It’s just a giant scam to make people give up on mass transit.
Exactly. He took state funding and squandered it. Made a shit attempt at improving traffic. And admitted its more profound than it sounds. Tesla in a tunnel, that's it. Thunderf00t on YouTube covered the infancy of his idea. How creating a vacuum that large with Elons team would be beyond impossible. Tl:Dr vac-chambers have solid steel doors due to the pressure. Elon didn't even have the basic system movies have. Where in space 1 door opens. It's pressuresized then the main door opens. Elon had open space connecting like elevators. Impossible to vacuum with his current model. Dude is a walking failure. He's like the king midas of shit.
King Mierdas. They’ve floated the idea of these systems since the early 20 th century. There are so many YouTube videos debunking this shit it silly.
Elon see something in a book and say “cool!” Like my stupid cousin Ian. Ian got kicked out of the navy. Do you know how stupid and worthless you need to get kicked out of the navy? Less stupid than musk.
Love how much thunderfoot hates musk. Love the 5 years to bankruptcy the most. Fingers crossed for a grifter living in a refrigerator box.
The other rich people will never let him become completely destitute. If the poor people saw a former billionaire living on the street, then it shatters the illusion that rich people deserve their wealth because they are somehow better than the rest of us.
how the entire world didn't call bullshit and declare him a fraud when he said the hyperloop would be like a vacuum tube combined with an air hockey table that the don't-call-it-a-train would float on a pocket of air and motherfucker we learned how gases in a vacuum operate in 7th grade science class! Literally HOW was it supposed to work?
'it still sounds pretty complicated Elon' '\*laughing\* I swear it's not that hard!' lives rent free in my head
It was supposed to work like a straw or a pipe where it moved because of pressure differences, and would this also move super fast. However, that doesn’t change the fact that it was a dumb as fuck idea, a train would do the same job and be a lot less of a safety concern. One crack in a hyperloop tube and some catostrophic shit could happen due to pressure differences relative to the outside.
No. That's now how it was propelled.
He was proposing a vacuum. What you're saying amounts to the vehicles being propelled by air, aka a wind. There isn't any of that in a vacuum, or not much in a near vacuum.
Of course, his tunnels remain mostly a shit idea.
Tesla in a tunnel, with traffic jams.
He failed at the one thing he could have actually solved for, all because he is too narcissistic to realize he doesn’t have the power and control he thinks he does.
Boston already did that.
They called it "The Big Dig" for like almost two decades. You can't see the traffic jams anymore, because they are underground.
Here in LA there is already a massive partial-subway train (much of it is above-ground) currently being completed that will run from downtown LA, through Culver City, and all the way to the beach in Santa Monica.
It’s being completed within the next two years, I believe. I know about it, because it runs right under the street in front of the office building where I work. And also, it runs past my old bungalow in Palms, where I wish I still lived. But the new train line (and nearby station) was the reason the landlord decided to tear down the bungalow complex and build a towering condo building with underground parking. Sigh…
It’s a very big project and has been effecting my day-to-day for almost ten years now. Nevertheless, it’s a good thing, and hopefully it will help with the traffic.
My eyes rolled so far into the back of my head because of the thoughts your comment elicited. Consider the lifespan of a subway unit, and that it’s built for industrial, almost constant use for 20+ years almost non-stop. The. Take his dumbass tunnel idea and figure in all of the personnel for individual cars (I’m sure self driving is the idiot answer for that) and then…the fact that people buy Teslas, drive them off the lot and have the roof blow off of them because, frankly, it’s a car made by a battery company.
How often would a city have to replace their self driving Teslas for this stupid idea?
Society if the Spectacle. I swear. Why was Guy Debord so right about human beings?
One of the things that made me realize just how full of shit he is was seeing the proposed route for his Chicago project that was \*exactly\* the same as an existing train line. There was absolutely zero reason to build it other than 1) to not share air with "the poors" and 2) grift.
Boring company last I checked most the people left the company. It was literally just a scam that musk did so cali didn't build the Railway the one they need. Frankly I think musk should be forced to pay for the entire rail system
He's such an ass. What's worse is he convinced the Las Vegas tourism board to give him $49 million in taxes for 2 .08 mile tunnels to and from the Las Vegas convention centre (they only go one way of course, and its width can only accommodate a single Tesla car). It's certainly not the first or last time he's fleeced tax payers for an egotistical boondoggle with the express purpose of impeding effective, sound, urban transit. https://gizmodo.com/boring-company-approved-las-vegas-tunnel-65-network-1850403119
Never mind the oligarch koch pacs that seek to kill public transit projects all around the country.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/koch-activists-phoenix-ban-light-rail
Nearly every transportation innovation breaks down into two categories.
Trains but worse
Bikes but worse
Some have some pros and cons over trains and bikes, but his tunnels only solve traffic if they have something that scales better(trains).
Truly developed transportation infrastructure is not where the poor have cars, it's where the rich take trains.
It’s faster to walk that stretch than go into the death trap tunnel with battery powered car that will burn for hours if something happened to it in a tunnel
Dumbest thing is that LA already has a subway, it's quite nice too, or was nice in 2010. Just wish they extended it further instead of being forced to use busways instead.
Plus, I would think CA is general would be wary about extended tunnels after the fire in 2007/8 that shut down the 5 because of a truck fire in a tunnel just before the grape vine that damaged infrastructure and shut down the entire freeway. That was brutal.
Imagine that, with lithium batteries and under more crowded infrastructure.
I miss when the whole point of the company was to bore holes faster since he considered the current standard slow and tedious but last I checked he was using a generic bore machine and had done nothing to improve speed or efficiency. At least then, it had nothing to do with recreating the GTAV tunnels to drive your Tesla through and to think the government subsidized this bullshit.
And it ain't easy. there are limits caused by friction, and a host of other things
Plus drilling is not all the same....
The soft ground of the SE US vs New Hampshire for example
So when they talk about rates on a drilling machine of any sort it's a very nuanced conversation
I saw some communication utility people were playing with using hot plasma but their tunnels are a lot smaller.
Not to mention construction in LA is a lot different than Vegas
Elmo just completely ignores geology in his discussion of production rates. It's like he has a comic book level awareness of the process
Didn’t someone like mathematically prove that this doesn’t work? You just add lanes but you don’t change the volume of exchange points and you just end up with more cars in traffic.
Nope. Vegas isn't big into light rail, let alone subways.
They city took ownership of the Monorail in 2020, so hopefully, they can expand that to go to the airport and the stadiums.
Yeah Elon fucked LA.
One of the excuses Vegas had for not building a subway is that our soil is crazy hard to dig. I'll give credit to the engineers at The Boring Company that they managed to dig through the caliche with minimal problems.
Look at what Herrenknecht made in Las Vegas: 4,4km, 15bar water pressure..
https://www.herrenknecht.com/de/newsroom/pressemitteilungdetail/weltrekord-fuer-las-vegas-maschineller-tunnelvortrieb-unter-hochdruck/
He was going to make a tunnel in Ontario California, puffed it up, spent years using city resources to engage and plan the project, but when they asked for a development impact plan (which every major project requires) he pulled the plug. Maybe he knows it's full of shit too. City officials are still pursuing it without him for some reason.
Yup. He admitted to it and it worked. California has been ramping up its metro rail in that area, but also had a plan for high speed rail which was shelved because of him.
https://time.com/6203815/elon-musk-flaws-billionaire-visions/?utm_source=reddit.com
The idea was to connect the Vegas - Rancho railline to the Ontario airport. That stretch of freeway is insane, and once that railway opens it's going to be impossible to get anywhere reasonably. They could've just made the rail the Vegas-Ontario airport instead, but now city officials are too invested in their dumb decision.
The only tunnel he dug in Vegas was with another company’s machine. Only EV Uber allowed to use the tunnel and it is generally jammed during peak hours.
https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/12/8/23498861/elon-musk-boring-company-tunnels-finished
And being in a traffic jam underground is infinitely worse than being in a jam on the surface. Not just for anxiety and claustrophobia, but it doesn't have emergency access if something goes wrong. Collision? Fire? Sudden medical emergency like pregnant woman goes into labor or someone has a stroke or heart attack? Tough luck. You're stuck in a tube just large enough for a single car. It doesn't solve the traffic problem, but it does compound it! YAY!
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It doesn't but it does make the up top area so much nicer, greener, quieter, safer only if you do what Boston did and move all the traffic underground.
Yeah he does not market it that way at all. It seems that this tunnel is a addition to the having regular traffic above the tunnel so he is basically saying to add another lane except under ground which will do nothing to help ease traffic.
A robust public transit system of busses and trains, like existed in the U.S. before it went car crazy and exists in most of the E.U. would solve the problem.
Not Musks idiotic micro-car tunnels🙄
Reminds me of my favorite line from Who Framed Roger rabbit:
“Who needs a car in L.A.? We got the best public transportation system in the world.”
Even better is the main villain wanted to destroy Toontown to build a freeway!!!
Wait, They are solving a traffic problem in Las Vegas? I thought it was just to avoid having to walk 15 minutes in desert heat.
Another note: They are taking really long with this minor expansion. I wonder how much longer it will take to complete that Vegas Loop map that the Mayor showed lol.
What a farce.
If anything the time is now for Vegas to get a real transit system. The city's population has grown at an astonishing rate and they now have 3 major sports teams.
Tunnels! genius.
and if you put big cars in the tunnels that fit more people there would be less traffic in them. then you put those big cars on tracks to make sure there's a smaller chance of accidents happening.
you could even power these big cars on tracks with electricity to reduce pollution!
what a genius musk is, coming up with completely new ideas that don't exist in a way better form already.
Yep, live in Vegas. I’ve never heard of anyone ever using it before. It’s absolutely useless, connects the airport to like a very few hotels on the strip. It’s one location, completely useless to locals and the only time I ever see it talked about is as a “showcase attraction” at some conference. One of the biggest failures this city has ever chosen and they pick lots, this city got robbed by musk.
Add more lanes, bro. It's gonna solve traffic, bro. And if you are running out of space, just add more lanes underground, bro. It's gonna work, trust me.
Or you know, invest in public transportation infrastructure and stop trying to force the entire world to build itself around your little toy-cars, you fucking morons.
"Just move the traffic underground so you can hide it and pretend it's not there"
It's the same thing as children pretending they are cleaning their room by shoving everything under the bed
Tunnels with vehicles that run at regular intervals. Maybe they're the size of a bus. And connected. A whole network. There could be underground stations where you could go to get on one of these tunnel bus trains...
He's a genius! ^(/S)
Lived in Vegas…went back recently for a convention. Traffic was no different with the addition of his tunnel. Actually was stuck for a solid 20-minutes in the tunnel, as we waited for the pickup/dropoff area. Disney’s Haunted Mansion has a faster on/off system— the bumper-to-bumper chain of Ubers reminded me of that ride lol
The tunnel felt about as useful as the monorail…just with less to look at and only the thrill that comes with awkward conversation, while riding in a Prius. It would’ve been a marvel and worthy of his hype, had it gone to the airport…but like the monorail, it kinda insists upon itself and it’s novelty outweighs its utility.
Ooh yes let’s put tunnels in an area that’s overdue for a big earthquake.
I’m not saying tunnels aren’t safe, I’m saying due to the caos and destruction above land it will take days if not weeks before they can get down into a tunnel.
I thought the same but upon checking, earthquakes are less damaging underground than they are on the ground and thus tunnels are less prone to be damaged by them.
Crisis headline 200 years from now
“Another boring tunnel has collapsed in the down town area during rush hour killing 179 people.”
Let’s just sapper our own cities guys!!
The man is completely delusional. The Boring Company is complete bollocks. Scam.
It’s fitting that it’s first major contract is in the city of make believe.
"the boring company will fix everything" mfs when their self driving fails to turn even slightly and their 80mph car crashes into the side of the tunnel, obstructing transportation for hours and possibly even collapsing the tunnel, delaying traffic on that particular line for days, and if it's a central line, like to/from an airport, and there's no other tunnels then you've just fucked EVERYTHING up.
Now imagine, for a moment, you're in the tunnel, making a turn, but suddenly you see a crashed car ahead of you that you couldn't see because you're in a fucking TUNNEL. you can't turn because the tunnel is one. ONE fucking lane AND you're going fast enough that you can't even consider braking. The crash has been there for a while, nobody noticed because you're on a line to a smaller neighborhood with people who don't own teslas and there's no fucking way of telling whether or not that the particular line you chose was blocked off beforehand.
now, if you were to actually use critical thinking skills, and perhaps put the tesla on some sort of track, then crashing would become less of a concern.
I hate how the car lights lined up like that looks so nice but can anybody tell how do you actually stop traffic problems like this? I saw a vid that described it but I forgot surely it isn’t the add extra lane take the
Off topic but I spent some time in LA/socal and at one point decided to try to set my gps to avoid highways and found I could get around much quicker by just driving on the surface streets. The highways are just a trick
Capitalism looks kinda pretty from far away at night. And then the closer you get, the more the unmitigated suffering and destructive becomes more and more apparent until you’re standing next to an ignored dead body on the street. Probably not the first you’ve seen that day, either. Completely desensitized.
It's just tunnels with more cars God damnit, we need actual subways and trains, we need to actually support public transportation instead of demonizing it.
According to my cousin who did some work in the tunnels, he said those tunnels are a major fire hazard due to the lack of proper ventilation, leaving no escape route for smoke in case of a fire.
This whole tunnel thing was debunked. And Elon Musk knows it. That's why this idea hasn't gone anywhere. It would be way more expensive and put fewer cars through than a highway.
Dude, he better not die without explaining to the world why he hates trains and refuses to acknowledge their existence. There has to be a reason, right?
It's almost like cars were the problem in the first place and public transit was the solution litterally every other devloped country uses to fix this issue.
He invented the subway, but took out the parts that made it practical 21st century innovation in a nutshell
I believe I have read it is intended to dissuade cities from building real subways and that Elon knows it can’t work. It’s just a giant scam to make people give up on mass transit.
That and to get that yummy tax money. LA will never go for it. He tried his monorail song and dance in Chicago as well and it didn't work.
Exactly. He took state funding and squandered it. Made a shit attempt at improving traffic. And admitted its more profound than it sounds. Tesla in a tunnel, that's it. Thunderf00t on YouTube covered the infancy of his idea. How creating a vacuum that large with Elons team would be beyond impossible. Tl:Dr vac-chambers have solid steel doors due to the pressure. Elon didn't even have the basic system movies have. Where in space 1 door opens. It's pressuresized then the main door opens. Elon had open space connecting like elevators. Impossible to vacuum with his current model. Dude is a walking failure. He's like the king midas of shit.
King Mierdas. They’ve floated the idea of these systems since the early 20 th century. There are so many YouTube videos debunking this shit it silly. Elon see something in a book and say “cool!” Like my stupid cousin Ian. Ian got kicked out of the navy. Do you know how stupid and worthless you need to get kicked out of the navy? Less stupid than musk. Love how much thunderfoot hates musk. Love the 5 years to bankruptcy the most. Fingers crossed for a grifter living in a refrigerator box.
Ian catching strays.
I root for Ian to succeed. Musk is a failed son.
r/fuckyouinparticular
r/fuckianinparticular Ian knows what he did! He should get what he deserves! He’s a fucking weed in the garden of life.
King Mierdas!!! Clever!!
The other rich people will never let him become completely destitute. If the poor people saw a former billionaire living on the street, then it shatters the illusion that rich people deserve their wealth because they are somehow better than the rest of us.
🤣 King Mierdas that’s a new for Elmo
how the entire world didn't call bullshit and declare him a fraud when he said the hyperloop would be like a vacuum tube combined with an air hockey table that the don't-call-it-a-train would float on a pocket of air and motherfucker we learned how gases in a vacuum operate in 7th grade science class! Literally HOW was it supposed to work? 'it still sounds pretty complicated Elon' '\*laughing\* I swear it's not that hard!' lives rent free in my head
How people don’t laugh him out of the room for “underground tunnel the width of one Tesla that looks like a great place to die in”
It was supposed to work like a straw or a pipe where it moved because of pressure differences, and would this also move super fast. However, that doesn’t change the fact that it was a dumb as fuck idea, a train would do the same job and be a lot less of a safety concern. One crack in a hyperloop tube and some catostrophic shit could happen due to pressure differences relative to the outside.
No. That's now how it was propelled. He was proposing a vacuum. What you're saying amounts to the vehicles being propelled by air, aka a wind. There isn't any of that in a vacuum, or not much in a near vacuum. Of course, his tunnels remain mostly a shit idea.
Tesla in a tunnel, with traffic jams. He failed at the one thing he could have actually solved for, all because he is too narcissistic to realize he doesn’t have the power and control he thinks he does.
Boston already did that. They called it "The Big Dig" for like almost two decades. You can't see the traffic jams anymore, because they are underground.
Not just imagine when one catches fire in the tunnel that’s too small to open the doors.
It's not even meant to work or be efficient. Its just about stopping cities from building public transportation.
Is there a chance the track could bend?
Not on your life my Hindu friend!
What about us brain dead slobs?
AI is going to take your jobs!
!!
I call the big one “Bitey”
What about North Haverbrooke?
He put them on the map! (Literally)
Here in LA there is already a massive partial-subway train (much of it is above-ground) currently being completed that will run from downtown LA, through Culver City, and all the way to the beach in Santa Monica. It’s being completed within the next two years, I believe. I know about it, because it runs right under the street in front of the office building where I work. And also, it runs past my old bungalow in Palms, where I wish I still lived. But the new train line (and nearby station) was the reason the landlord decided to tear down the bungalow complex and build a towering condo building with underground parking. Sigh… It’s a very big project and has been effecting my day-to-day for almost ten years now. Nevertheless, it’s a good thing, and hopefully it will help with the traffic.
Monorail!
He tried to pitch a monorail? Is he stealing ideas from *The Simpsons* now?
Is there a chance the track will bend?
If Elon Musk had HALF the charm of Lyle Lanley, he’d have tunnels in Brockway, Ogdenville AND North Haverbrook by now.
My eyes rolled so far into the back of my head because of the thoughts your comment elicited. Consider the lifespan of a subway unit, and that it’s built for industrial, almost constant use for 20+ years almost non-stop. The. Take his dumbass tunnel idea and figure in all of the personnel for individual cars (I’m sure self driving is the idiot answer for that) and then…the fact that people buy Teslas, drive them off the lot and have the roof blow off of them because, frankly, it’s a car made by a battery company. How often would a city have to replace their self driving Teslas for this stupid idea? Society if the Spectacle. I swear. Why was Guy Debord so right about human beings?
Now all I can picture is Elon doing the Simpsons bit about the monorail.
One of the things that made me realize just how full of shit he is was seeing the proposed route for his Chicago project that was \*exactly\* the same as an existing train line. There was absolutely zero reason to build it other than 1) to not share air with "the poors" and 2) grift.
Boring company last I checked most the people left the company. It was literally just a scam that musk did so cali didn't build the Railway the one they need. Frankly I think musk should be forced to pay for the entire rail system
The fact that California tried working with a car CEO to help solve their high-speed rail problem still boggles my mind.
But he’s literally Tony Stark! /s
yet another "tech disrupter" who aims to do exactly what the old industry was doing, but with a sci-fi aesthetic.
His tunnels were meant for her speed trains. Was to expensive and he just has teslas driving through it now. Musk is a idiot.
It’s in his best interest to make people drive, so you’re probably not wrong.
He's such an ass. What's worse is he convinced the Las Vegas tourism board to give him $49 million in taxes for 2 .08 mile tunnels to and from the Las Vegas convention centre (they only go one way of course, and its width can only accommodate a single Tesla car). It's certainly not the first or last time he's fleeced tax payers for an egotistical boondoggle with the express purpose of impeding effective, sound, urban transit. https://gizmodo.com/boring-company-approved-las-vegas-tunnel-65-network-1850403119 Never mind the oligarch koch pacs that seek to kill public transit projects all around the country. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/koch-activists-phoenix-ban-light-rail
Why can’t they use the machines to just build tunnels large enough to use as subway tunnels ? Isn’t there a market for that ?
Nearly every transportation innovation breaks down into two categories. Trains but worse Bikes but worse Some have some pros and cons over trains and bikes, but his tunnels only solve traffic if they have something that scales better(trains). Truly developed transportation infrastructure is not where the poor have cars, it's where the rich take trains.
Remember subway trains? What if instead they could only fit two people at a time? I am very innovative.
Just private toll roads that don't need to buy as much land to create. He innovated the toll road owners position, not the toll road users.
It’s faster to walk that stretch than go into the death trap tunnel with battery powered car that will burn for hours if something happened to it in a tunnel
Dumbest thing is that LA already has a subway, it's quite nice too, or was nice in 2010. Just wish they extended it further instead of being forced to use busways instead. Plus, I would think CA is general would be wary about extended tunnels after the fire in 2007/8 that shut down the 5 because of a truck fire in a tunnel just before the grape vine that damaged infrastructure and shut down the entire freeway. That was brutal. Imagine that, with lithium batteries and under more crowded infrastructure.
Disrupt!!! (While never stopping to think what that word means)
“One more lane, bro” Except the lanes are orders of magnitude more expensive.
I miss when the whole point of the company was to bore holes faster since he considered the current standard slow and tedious but last I checked he was using a generic bore machine and had done nothing to improve speed or efficiency. At least then, it had nothing to do with recreating the GTAV tunnels to drive your Tesla through and to think the government subsidized this bullshit.
And it ain't easy. there are limits caused by friction, and a host of other things Plus drilling is not all the same.... The soft ground of the SE US vs New Hampshire for example So when they talk about rates on a drilling machine of any sort it's a very nuanced conversation I saw some communication utility people were playing with using hot plasma but their tunnels are a lot smaller. Not to mention construction in LA is a lot different than Vegas Elmo just completely ignores geology in his discussion of production rates. It's like he has a comic book level awareness of the process
Not even. Musks company bought the machine cutting these tunnels. All he did was own a company and buy used equipment designed to make tunnels.
Techbro* innovation. THere’s some stuff that I’d like to keep that’s been made in the last 2 decades.
I visited Vegas for a week. Hyperloop was closed the entire time. So much for dependability.
like the time we invented sailboats… again… but worse… and still made it pollute
Just one more lane bro
Trust me bro, it's the last one
X gonna give it to ya' More traffic that is.
Move bitch, get out the way.
Instructions unclear, stuck in tunnel.
Didn’t someone like mathematically prove that this doesn’t work? You just add lanes but you don’t change the volume of exchange points and you just end up with more cars in traffic.
Yeah but this one is underground, bro
Which means that it will result in even more traffic fatalities!
Yep, most of the time it’s not the lanes but the exit choke points merging into like 1-2 lanes that causes traffic
Exactly, you just create more traffic going into a choke point that always has to exist. You reduce traffic by removing cars from the road entirely.
My cousin designs freeways for a living, he told me exactly this years ago
Tunnel in Vegas ain't solving shit
Didn't they steal away a subway system that was going to built instead too?
Nope. Vegas isn't big into light rail, let alone subways. They city took ownership of the Monorail in 2020, so hopefully, they can expand that to go to the airport and the stadiums.
Maybe I'm getting confused with another city, like LA.
Yeah Elon fucked LA. One of the excuses Vegas had for not building a subway is that our soil is crazy hard to dig. I'll give credit to the engineers at The Boring Company that they managed to dig through the caliche with minimal problems.
You generally want soil to be hard when tunneling. It’s a bigger problem when it’s collapsing and you have to try to stabilize it by injecting cement.
Look at what Herrenknecht made in Las Vegas: 4,4km, 15bar water pressure.. https://www.herrenknecht.com/de/newsroom/pressemitteilungdetail/weltrekord-fuer-las-vegas-maschineller-tunnelvortrieb-unter-hochdruck/
Of course they did.
Overtime, over budget, under deliver 👌
Papa Musk’s
How much of that overage is in his pocket? Biggest grifter/welfare queen our country has ever seen.
He was going to make a tunnel in Ontario California, puffed it up, spent years using city resources to engage and plan the project, but when they asked for a development impact plan (which every major project requires) he pulled the plug. Maybe he knows it's full of shit too. City officials are still pursuing it without him for some reason.
Didn’t he admit for a bunch of these projects it was a ruse to stop rail? He just wanted to sell more cars.
Yup. He admitted to it and it worked. California has been ramping up its metro rail in that area, but also had a plan for high speed rail which was shelved because of him. https://time.com/6203815/elon-musk-flaws-billionaire-visions/?utm_source=reddit.com
Fucking ass hole! The one thing I have always wanted in a city I lived in was a good transit system.
What the hell do we need a tunnel in Ontario for?
The idea was to connect the Vegas - Rancho railline to the Ontario airport. That stretch of freeway is insane, and once that railway opens it's going to be impossible to get anywhere reasonably. They could've just made the rail the Vegas-Ontario airport instead, but now city officials are too invested in their dumb decision.
The only tunnel he dug in Vegas was with another company’s machine. Only EV Uber allowed to use the tunnel and it is generally jammed during peak hours. https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/12/8/23498861/elon-musk-boring-company-tunnels-finished
Sounds like it’s working as intended then
And being in a traffic jam underground is infinitely worse than being in a jam on the surface. Not just for anxiety and claustrophobia, but it doesn't have emergency access if something goes wrong. Collision? Fire? Sudden medical emergency like pregnant woman goes into labor or someone has a stroke or heart attack? Tough luck. You're stuck in a tube just large enough for a single car. It doesn't solve the traffic problem, but it does compound it! YAY!
Wonder if an emergency celebrity PR firm (yes, this is a real thing) would be able to save Musk if a disaster happened because of him in these
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Live in Vegas, can confirm - it’s a fucking pipe dream by a guy with Dunning-Krueger when it comes to mass transit…
Just full on Dunning Kruger.
We’ll come on man who decides to build a tunnel system without trains so you can have traffic.
I’m looking forward to the day it inevitably fails and hopefully we can reuse the tunnels for something useful 🥲
Why would putting roads underground change the amount of traffic?
It's like the homeless situations. If you can't see it most people will consider it's not a problem anymore.
Las Vegas literally has an underground homeless population. It’s frightening.
Tbf I'd rather be homeless underground than under the sky at the mercy of the weather. Horrendous that some people have to make that decision though
I think there are other drawbacks such as safety, particularly for women and kids.
Didn't think of that. What an awful situation
This is what happens when a city wants to spend tens of millions on flood control and transportation and nothing on helping the poor.
It doesn't but it does make the up top area so much nicer, greener, quieter, safer only if you do what Boston did and move all the traffic underground.
Yeah that’s true. They are planning similar in Seattle for one section of Highway.
THAT I can get behind but I don't recall Musck ever marketing it that way not that I pay him much mind anyway
Yeah he does not market it that way at all. It seems that this tunnel is a addition to the having regular traffic above the tunnel so he is basically saying to add another lane except under ground which will do nothing to help ease traffic.
It won’t.
They tried that in Boston.
Because like babies, Musk does not understand object permanence.
Boring company is quite high on his scams list. Can't believe so many musketeers are bad in simple math
A robust public transit system of busses and trains, like existed in the U.S. before it went car crazy and exists in most of the E.U. would solve the problem. Not Musks idiotic micro-car tunnels🙄
Reminds me of my favorite line from Who Framed Roger rabbit: “Who needs a car in L.A.? We got the best public transportation system in the world.” Even better is the main villain wanted to destroy Toontown to build a freeway!!!
Tunnels make traffic worse! Ask anyone in Hampton Roads, Virginia...that bridge-tunnel is a nightmare.
Wait, They are solving a traffic problem in Las Vegas? I thought it was just to avoid having to walk 15 minutes in desert heat. Another note: They are taking really long with this minor expansion. I wonder how much longer it will take to complete that Vegas Loop map that the Mayor showed lol. What a farce.
If anything the time is now for Vegas to get a real transit system. The city's population has grown at an astonishing rate and they now have 3 major sports teams.
Musk somehow convinced the City officials that the Vegas Loop is a real transit system lol.
Those officials are certainly idiots. It's just simple math as to figuring out how many people the underground Teslas can carry vs trains.
He is a big proponent of getting people back into the office. A simpler way to solve this problem is to allow people to work from home.
Tunnels! genius. and if you put big cars in the tunnels that fit more people there would be less traffic in them. then you put those big cars on tracks to make sure there's a smaller chance of accidents happening. you could even power these big cars on tracks with electricity to reduce pollution! what a genius musk is, coming up with completely new ideas that don't exist in a way better form already.
Well he's(half) right for once . Just put underground trains on them instead of Teslas.
He invented underground traffic jams
Isn't the Vegas system a horrible failure?
Yep, live in Vegas. I’ve never heard of anyone ever using it before. It’s absolutely useless, connects the airport to like a very few hotels on the strip. It’s one location, completely useless to locals and the only time I ever see it talked about is as a “showcase attraction” at some conference. One of the biggest failures this city has ever chosen and they pick lots, this city got robbed by musk.
Add more lanes, bro. It's gonna solve traffic, bro. And if you are running out of space, just add more lanes underground, bro. It's gonna work, trust me.
He invent the magical system called (checking notes……..) a “tunnel”!!! Woooo never would I think of that. Such lateral thinking
Tunnels won't help. Effective public mass transit will.
The tunnel solves absolutely nothing. It's a super inefficient death trap that's so much worse than just building a subway.
Musk here to replace his failed hyperloop nonsense with cutting edge tunnel technology.
I don’t understand how that’s going to fix anything. It’ll just hide the traffic underground.
Ah, the Vegas loop. Combining the worst parts of subways with the worst parts of taxis, with none of the benefits.
Isn’t musks Las Vegas tunnel basically a glorified subway ride?
"Tunnels will solve" Laughs in bostonian.
Why oh why do people listen to this moron, more cars, reduce public transportation and budget and make the subway less practical
Musk is the monorail guy from the Simpsons
Tunnels are "just one more lane will fix it!" but underground
Literally every video I've seen of the tunnels in Vegas are just car sitting in traffic but underground
The rest of the planet * *stares intently in train* *
This fucking guy, “what if instead of 8 lanes above ground we have 2 underground? Whoah traffic solvd!”
Angeleno here. Elon can fuck off. We already told him we didn't need a tunnel once.
Or you know, invest in public transportation infrastructure and stop trying to force the entire world to build itself around your little toy-cars, you fucking morons.
Someone ask Elon how tunnels solve traffic.
Why not investing on a proper public transport? Looks like you need a proper subway there
"Just move the traffic underground so you can hide it and pretend it's not there" It's the same thing as children pretending they are cleaning their room by shoving everything under the bed
Tunnels for Teslas being driven by people. So traffic but in a tunnel
I've got a good feeling about this. /s
He’s been saying that for about a decade
Tunnels with vehicles that run at regular intervals. Maybe they're the size of a bus. And connected. A whole network. There could be underground stations where you could go to get on one of these tunnel bus trains... He's a genius! ^(/S)
Lived in Vegas…went back recently for a convention. Traffic was no different with the addition of his tunnel. Actually was stuck for a solid 20-minutes in the tunnel, as we waited for the pickup/dropoff area. Disney’s Haunted Mansion has a faster on/off system— the bumper-to-bumper chain of Ubers reminded me of that ride lol The tunnel felt about as useful as the monorail…just with less to look at and only the thrill that comes with awkward conversation, while riding in a Prius. It would’ve been a marvel and worthy of his hype, had it gone to the airport…but like the monorail, it kinda insists upon itself and it’s novelty outweighs its utility.
He proposed the same things in California and did absolutely nothing with it. Why people will fall for it again is beyond me
Ooh yes let’s put tunnels in an area that’s overdue for a big earthquake. I’m not saying tunnels aren’t safe, I’m saying due to the caos and destruction above land it will take days if not weeks before they can get down into a tunnel.
I thought the same but upon checking, earthquakes are less damaging underground than they are on the ground and thus tunnels are less prone to be damaged by them.
Ummm he’s full of shit about Vegas lol.
Does he think he invented subways?
Now, traffic will be underground, so you won't see it. Great success
Crisis headline 200 years from now “Another boring tunnel has collapsed in the down town area during rush hour killing 179 people.” Let’s just sapper our own cities guys!!
He’s just displacing traffic jams to the entrances/exits of his tunnels
yeah tunnels will solve that traffic. Instead of being over ground, the traffic will be underground. Just ask Boston.
Let’s move traffic jams underground
“Tunnels will solve. Speaking hard. Few words good.”
LOL. I live in Vegas. The tunnels do jack shit.
Just gonna have a lot of homeless people living in there
*It’s like a subway, but you know, worse*
To be fair, when enough people die in his tunnels, that *will* help the remaining population with traffic.
I wish he would dig a tunnel, crawl in it, and never come back out.
The man is completely delusional. The Boring Company is complete bollocks. Scam. It’s fitting that it’s first major contract is in the city of make believe.
Ah, yes. Tunnels deep in the ground in a very active earthquake zone. I think Stallone made a movie about this.
This guy just has a solution for everything huh
Am in Vegas the boring tunnel is a joke.
"the boring company will fix everything" mfs when their self driving fails to turn even slightly and their 80mph car crashes into the side of the tunnel, obstructing transportation for hours and possibly even collapsing the tunnel, delaying traffic on that particular line for days, and if it's a central line, like to/from an airport, and there's no other tunnels then you've just fucked EVERYTHING up. Now imagine, for a moment, you're in the tunnel, making a turn, but suddenly you see a crashed car ahead of you that you couldn't see because you're in a fucking TUNNEL. you can't turn because the tunnel is one. ONE fucking lane AND you're going fast enough that you can't even consider braking. The crash has been there for a while, nobody noticed because you're on a line to a smaller neighborhood with people who don't own teslas and there's no fucking way of telling whether or not that the particular line you chose was blocked off beforehand. now, if you were to actually use critical thinking skills, and perhaps put the tesla on some sort of track, then crashing would become less of a concern.
The tunnel in Vegas isn’t alleviating anything lol
“Tunnels will solve” (citation needed)
Just One More Lane™
Just one more lane (underground)
Just push the traffic underground, and magically you'll have no more traffic, apparently.
I hate how the car lights lined up like that looks so nice but can anybody tell how do you actually stop traffic problems like this? I saw a vid that described it but I forgot surely it isn’t the add extra lane take the
Waiting in your car under sunlight and with access to fresh air: 🤡 Waiting in your car underground:👍👏👍👏
Tunnels will solve. ::looks at the big dig in Boston:: K. Sure.
Kinda looks like the cover of Aja
*elon inventing the square wheel* guys i think this is going to change everything. i call it The Xeel
Not BoringX?
He literally banned the very thing at his companies that helps solve this issue for good: working from home.
I love Poland 🇵🇱
Off topic but I spent some time in LA/socal and at one point decided to try to set my gps to avoid highways and found I could get around much quicker by just driving on the surface streets. The highways are just a trick
Capitalism looks kinda pretty from far away at night. And then the closer you get, the more the unmitigated suffering and destructive becomes more and more apparent until you’re standing next to an ignored dead body on the street. Probably not the first you’ve seen that day, either. Completely desensitized.
Is he incapable of writing a complete sentence?
So we’re going with the toddler solution? If you don’t see the traffic it doesn’t exist.
It's just tunnels with more cars God damnit, we need actual subways and trains, we need to actually support public transportation instead of demonizing it.
Tunnels in an earthquake zone really are the most practical way.
According to my cousin who did some work in the tunnels, he said those tunnels are a major fire hazard due to the lack of proper ventilation, leaving no escape route for smoke in case of a fire.
This whole tunnel thing was debunked. And Elon Musk knows it. That's why this idea hasn't gone anywhere. It would be way more expensive and put fewer cars through than a highway.
Then aren’t you just stuck in traffic in a tunnel?
"Tunnels will solve" you mean the subway?
Dude, he better not die without explaining to the world why he hates trains and refuses to acknowledge their existence. There has to be a reason, right?
Can confirm, shit ain’t solved in Vegas.
Those tunnels are death traps
It's almost like cars were the problem in the first place and public transit was the solution litterally every other devloped country uses to fix this issue.