I raided with a guy in wow from Venezuela, chill dude and composed but god awful internet.
We were fighting a boss and his internet was lagging him hard. Out of nowhere “These fucking gerbils can’t keep up!”. Since then I always say this when loading lol.
Years ago (circa 2005) there was a guy I played online with who would complain about his framerates in games. He'd always say graphics chip, not card, and he'd call it a Dorito when badmouthing it.
I'm lying in my bed. Phone in my hand. Imagining myself launching my game, opening up my PC case and cranking the HDD super fast watching textures load in one by one.
I don't understand why the game can't load in the map BEFORE matchmaking? Load the map, then matchmake, then make a loot pool, then load in players and scavs, then go. Surely it won't take as long then
I think they talked about it at some point and it's technically not that easy. I guess it's because you can't load loot / scav assets etc. before you have a server session. And you don't have a server instance before you matched with players. It's not that easy to do.
My favorite is taking 7 minutes to load in then server error Altf4 reload game reload into session for another 5 minutes. Game finished or aborted. Fucking sick someone spawn killed me and took my kit and I've wasted my time. I've got 5 irl friends to buy the game and the number 1 issue for them not playing is time to get into a game. No one wants to wait 5 minutes doing absolutely nothing to load into a game especially when you die off spawns.
I still think that's not too bad compared to the first 2 weeks of each wipe. Maybe I'm just more patient than others. I also play squad though where you have to sometimes run for several minutes just to get popped in the skull.
but the map itself can be loaded.
it's not like woods gonna look different every session, you can leave just the loot and containers to load in after matchmaking
Yeah, I thought this too but if you actually watch the text that displays:
loading data \~5 seconds
loading map \~10 seconds
Couple seconds of other loads
Matching takes a like a minute or 2
Loading loot takes like 1-2 minutes but is usually the longest depending on the matching speed.
Then sync
So...preloading the map would really only shave maybe 30 seconds off, realistically 15 seconds. They can't preload the loot.
This is the exact order it loads lol, it processes the map and assets into your ram before anything server side, then matches you and creates the loot pools before the players spawn in with the 10s countdown and then scavs a few seconds after the match starts, watch your screen once in a while
I literally bought a friend an SSD to replace their Hand Cranked™ HDD after months of waiting for them to load into raids. I just couldn't take it anymore.
Users complain about some problem, project owner tells the developer how to fix it, dev is lazy and comes up with easier solution that makes everyone happy and not care about the actual issue at hand.
The problem with arena is that there is no FFA deathmatch mode.
The entire reason for Arena's existence _should_ have been to give tarkov players a way to fill their time with **pvp**. PVP is such an important part of the game and yet is quite rare. You spend 20-40 minutes moving around, questing, looting and then you get into a fight that could potentially make that entire 20-40 minutes wasted. You need to be comfortable and confident for those moments. Yet when you're trying to improve / practice / warmup, there's not really a way to do that efficiently / conveniently in EFT. Arena should have been a remedy to that. And yet if I play Arena, I have to spend 2-4 minutes in queue, 1-3 minutes for everyone to load, 1-4 minutes in death spectator mode, 1-2 minutes in all the intermission and pre/post-game screens. Just to get into a couple fights. Such a waste.
If arena actually had a FFA deathmatch where the queue+loading times were good (maybe just permanent servers that people join and leave from at will instead of having to match people for one single "game"), I guarantee a good number of EFT players would play Arena to warmup, practice, wait for friends, or just to play some tarkov when they don't have the time to commit to a full raid. It would compliment the game well and generate a stable playerbase for Arena to build from. Then also have the more competitive focused game modes to give people a change of pace from EFT and also to help introduce new players to tarkov in a way that's still competitive, but without the steep and punishing learning curve that EFT has.
This would be amazing, but I have absolutely zero hope that pretty much any game would implement this, let alone tarkov. Even Valorant doesn't let you use their (local) practice mode while you're in queue.
Would be great if Tarkov could let you still interact with main menu + hideout while in queue (just fully lock your character once queue'd). And then improve the shooting range in your hideout to include unlimited ammo mode + maybe some challenge modes where you are timed and targets pop in and out like Valorant's practice mode.
To be fair to all of this though, Arena _is_ a separate game from EFT. So it's possible you could have Arena open and playing a FFA DM while you're in EFT queue. And then just quickly close Arena when you're about to spawn in EFT. Hopefully your Arena client wouldn't be too impacted by EFT being open at the same time (at least until you spawn into the raid and I'd expect some minor choppy moments when different loading moments occur during the queue).
This is what i was really hoping for, some sort of cod style ffa, or tdm matches. I just wanna jump into tarkov and shoot people, without the stress and anxiety this game can bring
What you’re saying is how it used to be and trust me, you’re better off hand cranking your meat during your wait because you’ll be right back here bitching about getting murdered off spawn by someone with the apollo 35 under their desk if they reverted it.
Yup, I remember my nephew would load into raids a full 5 minutes later than everyone else.
We'd literally get a quest done before he loaded in. People were REALLY bitching back then.
I was constantly in before my mates back then and on factory or other maps with close spawns having to defend the spawn for your slower mates was so dumb
Yes let's change it to how it was a few years ago so people can go back to complaining about late spawns instead. What "middle ground"? What do you expect them to do?
The limit starts once the server session has been setup. That 6:30 in the screenshot is the time since OP queue'd. They are different numbers. If the server session was created at 2:45, it would have only been 3:45 at the time of the screenshot.
As someone that consistently gets the late spawn and my duo has to protect me, yes. It is network based, not HDD/SSD. The game is loading the loot spawns from the servers.
another reason why loot tables should move to being completely server-side. Looting a container should make requests resulting in a json blob of the container's contents.
Record people's average load time and separate them by putting people with SSD's in one lobby and everyone else in another.
/s for the the people with hand crank HDD's
Can see it now “streamer X installed the game on a HDD thats why they their raids are empty”.
Wouldn’t be surprised if cheat developers add a feature that allows you to sandbag your load times so the game flags your account as “slow” so you get the empty raids and skip a step.
Tarkov already has higher system requirements. I don't think it's unreasonable to encourage upgrading to an SSD by having those on HDDs load in late. SSDs are so cheap already. Even m.2's are cheap at this point. And it's useful outside of tarkov, the whole PC would be faster.
People dropping thousands on PCs but won't spend an extra $50 on SSDs....
800$ on a GPU, no sweat, 100$ for a m.2 ssd. No way son.
RAM and storage are like the 2 things that shouldn't be cheaped out on since they're already cheap.
People that try to save money with their storage are clueless.
Loading times, loading textures, loading and installing games or moving folders.
The amount of time you save with the faster performance literally pays itself with the (at this point) minute price differences.
The problem with those on an HDD loading in late is that you could have players spawn behind you in an area you've already cleared. That would suck.
I'd be more behind outright banning HDDs before they did that
1. Tweak spawns dynamically so people don’t spawn predictably within a single sprint bar of each other or within line of sight.
2. Implement a two minute grace period for the remaining PCs that are loading after 1/2 of connected players have loaded the map.
3. Notify players that are still loading that the raid is starting and their hardware is at fault.
Alternatively, they could send players who can’t load in time back to the menu with their gear so they at least aren’t getting killed sitting still at their spawn.
I’m sorry to say that this game is just not for people with the computing power of an early model XBox 360.
I don't care man. If you can't afford to spend the money on the bare minimum shit to play the game then you deserve a late spawn.
I spent 3000 dollars on my computer, I load in a minute, I shouldn't have to wait for the 13 year old on the dell laptop for 6 minutes
Except that as we already know from back when late spawns were a thing, long loading times aren't always tied to hardware and sometimes happened to people with M.2 SSDs in their $3000 PCs. I definitely got them sometimes with a very fast SSD and gigabit ethernet. If you're okay with spawning late and dying immediately once in a while too, more power to you I guess.
I literally still start later than everyone....
A week ago i died at 00:00:00be suse the game decided to spawn me in as im getting shot in the head by someone that ran all the way from their spawn to mine
It's like going from a 1980s Toyota Camry to a Bugatti Veyron in terms of speed.
It's quite literally an order of magnitude, tens or hundreds of MBps transfer rate on an HDD to single or low double digit GBps on an SSD.
Also, a basic SSD costs like $20 or $30 off Amazon, plus a 6 pack of beer or whatever to pay your nerdy friend to install it for you if you can't do it yourself.
If you have this game on an HDD, not only are you fucking your and everyone else's load times, you are massively hindering your game performance. Buy a 500gb WD Blue SSD for $53 fucking dollars and get much much much better load times and performance in all games installed on that drive.
Is there any proof that you're waiting on someone with an HDD? I've never heard a detailed breakdown of what each stage of matchmaking means and why it's so slow, and I've been playing for a long, long time. It could be something else entirely, but it would be pretty hilarious if you were just here fuming over an imaginary poor person.
My advice after a thousands of hours of tarkov: keep your monitor up so you can see when the timer pops, but use that downtime for other shit in your life. Do some pushups. Clean up your desk. Call your mom. Do something productive with that downtime.
You can't fight the wind, but you can change your sails.
I upgraded to an SSD and it cut down load times from 6-7 minutes down to about 2 & 1/2. I upgraded my CPU and saw a much less significant 30-40 seconds faster load times.
I miss coffee breaks between games.
I pressed "Ready" last night, stood up to go pee and was already loaded into the raid by the time I came back into the room. What the hell BSG - at least give a man time to shake his dick off.
These kinda of wait times are definitely someone who has an older PC. Possibly sometimes weak internet, but even with weak internet, you'll load everything pretty quickly.
It's pretty safe to assume that whoever you're waiting on if it's longer than 5 minutes, is stuck loading loot on a lower-end PC.
Source: used to be that guy
Sometimes the loading just gets inexplicably stuck on the synchronizing with players even with a very good pc. So it’s not *always* the hand cranked hard drive bois, only usually.
I only ever get it on my pmc, and when it happens to me, it sometimes happens to the people I’m playing with as well. I notice it most often happens on lighthouse.
While you're definitely right, I don't think it's exclusively about slow PCs. I'm pretty sure that when someone disconnects while loading in, the lobby will be stuck at waiting for players until that person reconnects and then re-loads all the resources, or at least up to a point.
So someone using a leet gamer PC that runs into a Unity error or something while loading in could technically be the cause of a particular instance of long wait times.
That's my theory at least, I've seen the timing work out like that with people I've played with. OFC it's just a guess based on a very limited number of observations and zero insight into the technical reality of how the system actually works... so grain of salt and all that
You’re definitely right. Witnessed it many times myself. Eventually the game gets done waiting and just starts, somewhere around 5-6 minutes after the lobby is created and people start loading loot I think
Possibly, but it takes me about 1:30-2:00 to fully load everything now. Though I do have much better specs than I did before (went from an i5 3570k, 16gb ddr3, gtx 1080 and HDD to Ryzen 9 7900x, 32 gb ddr5 and rtx 3080 on a M.2.)
My old PC would take between 5-10 minutes depending which map and how long I'd played. This game is poorly optimized and it just takes a beefy rig to load quickly, I agree it's not exclusive to slow PC's, but definitely is the majority case.
Its definitely older pc problem.
My pc has dual SSD and HHD and i've shifted tarkov between drives a few times because one of my old raid buddies would constantly bitch about me being the slow loader. (granted this is when the games overall performance was absolutely atrocious regardless of PC)
People are claiming like 7 minute load time differences just switching but i don't feel like thats true, and if it is, they must have significantly better computers and were just having tarkov on their HHD for whatever reason.
If i switch between a HHD or SSD i only get a difference of like a minute load time. And like 70% of the time im not even the slowest loader if i was to play tarkov in current wipe. Sometimes I am, but its very rare now adays. And i play on HHD because my SSD is an old 128gb freebee from the builder.
My computer is very old. Like 7 years or so. The difference between playing on an SSD or HHD is almost completely neglible to me. To you, its basically the same almost from my limited sample size. I haven't had a personal 11 minute load time since 2016. Now my load times are roughly 5-6 min on HHD, 5 min on SSD. so i don't know, you tell me.
Did you upgrade anything else? New CPU or more ram?
I'm not saying it's entirely old HDD's, just older hardware in general. This game is quite CPU intensive as well as RAM. People's PC's aren't the issue, they're just affected by the real issue and that is poor optimization.
My sister and I have identical PC builds, only difference is the brand name on our GPU. Sometimes, one of us is waiting for players while the other one is still loading for multiple minutes. It is not consistent which one of us gets in faster.
It's not quite as simple as "fastest SSD loads into the match first".
We are both using Samsung 980 m.2 SSDs.
I would say it’s pretty confirmed. I don’t think I’m the only one that experienced this: I used to play on a shitty pc that didn’t have an SSD and while playing with a friend, he would be in the “waiting for players” screen exactly until the moment when my pc was finished loading all the stuff and send me into raids.
It seems like there’s a static time that it will wait (6ish minutes I would guess?) that it will wait for people to load into the game before just sending everyone into the map, and the people that haven’t finished loading in will just load in late.
All that being said, this is such a tiny complaint to make a post about lol
I don't think it's such a tiny complaint. I don't think it's players fault for having a bad PC either.
I think the main problem is how you can't do anything while waiting for raid, if we could be in our stash in the meantime this wouldn't be such a problem but if every raid you lose 3 minutes because someone is loading really slowly, that turns into hours long term. I have 300 raid so far this wipe and if hypothetically I waited 3 minutes longer every raid because of someone else that has cost me 900 minutes so far or 15 hours of my life just doing nothing and waiting.
I don’t see how 6 minute match times are a tiny complaint. It’s one of my biggest peeves about the game, from end of raid til start of next it’s almost always 15 min and it really kills the flow of the game.
for some reason the "loading loot" part is almost entirely based on disk speed. upgrading to an ssd literally changes it to a minute and a half. instead of doing all that stuff stop wasting people's time and get the smallest ssd you can
Not just hard drives, I think of it this way, if person A fills slot 1 on the map, then they can start loading the loot, map and assets. Person B follows and by the time person L matches, person A is already loaded and “Waiting on players” person L still has to load the whole map and loot because they just matched so even if they have a fast drive it still takes time. The first few in the queue get the longest loading times. What I’m saying is it’s both matching time/ matching algo and loading time. While drive speed does matter, the matchmaking as a whole could be optimized by bsg to make it less synchronous.
You know when it says “loading map” and loading “loot” the game is loading files from your storage. It doesn’t come from the cloud. It comes from the files downloaded on your PC. The read speed of a 7200 rpm HDD is about 80 MB/s (bytes not bits) and a SATA SSD is about 200 MB/s. An NVMe SSD is about 6000 MB/s.
When you see “waiting for other players” that means you have loaded all resources and are waiting for everyone else to catch up.
Not hating on anyone who can’t afford an SSD (even though a SATA SSD is under $50) but yes there is a big difference.
>You know when it says “loading map” and loading “loot” the game is loading files from your storage. It doesn’t come from the cloud.
Yes.
>When you see “waiting for other players” that means you have loaded all resources and are waiting for everyone else to catch up.
Not necessarily. See, where I think everyone is tricking themselves is when they believe that all players start loading the assets at the same time. In reality, you may very well be the first one to start that raid session on the server, and then matchmaking has to fiind 12 other players who are in 1) your region 2) queueing for that map and 3) have the right number of players in the squad to fit into the open slots. You know how it takes about 90 to 120 seconds for even a good PC to get to the waiting players part? Well, you get to waiting players, and then you have to wait for two or three other groups to get to the same stage. It's not insane to think that it might take a full six minutes for that. Conversely, I think popular maps suffer from too many players trying to cram into queues and that can adversely affect wait times too.
You seem to be the only person in this thread which thinks so and are 100% correct.
The beauty of Tarkov beeing a Unity game is that its fairly simple to reverse engineer certain parts of it, looking at the match making code gives the impression that the "waiting for players" step is a combination of either waiting for others to finish loading OR waiting for players to actually be matched onto the server session.
So if you are the one to open a new raid instance on the server, it could very well be you are at this step before anyone else even got matched with you and thus seeing way longer waiting times then if you are one of the last players to fill the raid.
I agree.
I don't think a HDD will take 6-10 min to load a map. Lol.
It makes more sense that "Waiting for players" means "The instance is waiting for more players to join your instance, otherwise you will be alone in your raid".
Start the map when 80% have loaded in. Spawn the rest as soon as they're ready, then calculate the spawn point furthest away from an active threat. Problem solved. NASA chads don't have to wait, potato chads don't get instagibbed.
A beautifully elegant solution, we'll just make it so poor people with bad PCs aren't allowed to reach POIs like black keycard or get to Killa in time, and the only thing we have to do to accomplish that is find a bunch of new spawn points that don't intersect with any of the near-infinite number of sight lines that stem from up to a dozen players having 5 minutes to move around the map in any direction they want.
One of a dozen ways bsg could make the matchmaking process shorter but they choose to be uncreative and make the process as synchronous and inefficient as possible.
It’s similar to the issue that PUBG ran Into with recoil being tired to FPS in the game engine. If you don’t make everybody wait, Tarkov becomes pay to win.
Could be argued that almost all multiplayer FPS games are pay to win since having a better PC = more FPS, it's much easier to PVP with high FPS. Same could be said for a better monitor.
Eh, kinda. As long as the game is set up to have a universal engine despite FPS (which they all are) you get a negligible amount of extra information with more FPS. A person who plays extensively and has excellent aim and game knowledge will beat a rookie with the ultimate setup.
The ergonomic improvement of FPS is really all you pay for after somewhere around 110 or so.
Games require SSD’s these days, it’s just how it is. Get with the times, majority of games have SSD as a minimum requirement. Have you played games on a HDD? It fucking sucks
Bro what do you want them to do? Just load in people at different times? So that spawn killing is even easier? Lieterally every game works like this. Admittedly it might be worse on Tarkov because of how bad the net code is but like calm down bro you're not dealing with anything special
I’d love to hear you elaborate on this “middle ground” you propose. Early spawns were objectively worse for everyone, and there is no “middle ground” there. Even different SSDs load at noticeably different speeds.
Yeah it's rough. Want people playing on potatoes to still be able to play but can't wait forever.
Real question is why we have to wait until we find a match to load loot and loot tables. Get everything loaded and *then* search for a match.
edit: also I still remember being absolutely *thrilled* to get in a raid in 6 minutes. Used to be we requeued at 20 min
Surprised you’ve not been downvoted to oblivion. Every time I mention something like this I get downvoted because people cannot grasp the concept that if your pc can run this game you can afford an SSD. Ignore the other guy saying the game will load without them, yes it will after like 5-6 minutes and it is ridiculous. Also the performance loss by not owning an SSD is insane.
100% agree. i miss the times you would load in at 1:30 no matter what and whoever has a fucking wood burning computer fuck them get gud.
man i miss those times....this is the most frustrating thing with tarkov for me to this day. i dont care about cheaters. the fucking queue times and the fucking menu loading times JESUS CHRIST
No chance. EFT is not a survival game anymore, it's a surival deathmatch. Everybody has to spawn at the same time, because SOMEHOW the community thinks Tarkov is supposed to be competitive.
Because the way the game is designed is kind of bad.
In an ideal world you are not dependent on other peoples hardware. Maybe only when you are not solo queueing and have a team with you.
The games maps/levels should be running non stop with loot respawning dynamically. When you load in you should just load onto a running server. The spawn should be one far away from anyone already playing on the server. That way you can't abuse spawns or anything. The whole Meta gaming where you know that when you have top spawn on customs that you will be first in Dorms or something is so bad.
The game should tag the 10% of players who cause other players to wait for the most time per raid and then everyone should no longer have to wait for those players anymore. This could be evaluated in terms of your most recent 100 or so games so people can upgrade their computer and the system would adjust. I'm fine with players who have really cheap rigs being able to play the game, but it is not fair to the 90% of players (in this scenario) who have invested the resources to get a better experience to have to wait for those who haven't.
scavs can load in at later times. maybe they should make it so you can spawn in later in the raid, but prevent the old issue of people literally spawning in front of you
Either you play a single player game and load as fast as your machine or you play a multiplayer game and wait on other players. This happens in league and CS and Overwatch and every other multiplayer game. There is no middle ground that doesn't just give a huge advantage to people with better hardware.
I’m surprised they don’t have a pre raid lobby where people can just hang out.
Like CSGO had warm ups where you can just run around and kill people while others loaded in.
Even PUBG had and still has this where you can run around punching people for fun and voiping (Taiwan numba one)
I think people who can't load maps in a reasonable time should have to preload ONE map per game launch. So if they want to go Streets, they preload streets, and if they want to go somewhere else, they can reopen their game and prefetch a different map. 1 person waits instead of 10+. There is far too much waiting in this game already.
Idk why but "hand cranked HDD" is fucking sending me
The audacity man, jerome (my hamster) works very hard to make sure I can play tarkov
I raided with a guy in wow from Venezuela, chill dude and composed but god awful internet. We were fighting a boss and his internet was lagging him hard. Out of nowhere “These fucking gerbils can’t keep up!”. Since then I always say this when loading lol.
Years ago (circa 2005) there was a guy I played online with who would complain about his framerates in games. He'd always say graphics chip, not card, and he'd call it a Dorito when badmouthing it.
[I understood that reference.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMvS1Q1sos&t=71s)
> and composed > from Venezuela RonBurgundy dot gif
# #FreeJerome!
Opens Tarkov. Jerome starts prepping his steroid injection.
He does a monster line of coke off the hamster wheel before getting to work. "Light weight baaaaabyyyyyy" Ronnie Coleman style
Mine is named Harland
I thought Harland was a Crow. (Rim shot)
I'm lying in my bed. Phone in my hand. Imagining myself launching my game, opening up my PC case and cranking the HDD super fast watching textures load in one by one.
I’ve always used that phrase every time someone’s loading forever and surprisingly this is the first time I’ve ever heard someone else say it.
This has immediately become part of my vocabulary
came here to say the same 🤣
Third. I was cackling at it good.
the funniest shit i've ever read
This! 😂
First time legitimately lol’ing in while
Honestly, the game needs to start loading the map the moment your party leader selects a map and opens the lobby.
I don't understand why the game can't load in the map BEFORE matchmaking? Load the map, then matchmake, then make a loot pool, then load in players and scavs, then go. Surely it won't take as long then
I think they talked about it at some point and it's technically not that easy. I guess it's because you can't load loot / scav assets etc. before you have a server session. And you don't have a server instance before you matched with players. It's not that easy to do.
What's crazy is that in tarkov it doesn't give you a spawn protection for scavs spawning into raid. Like you can die before even loading in.
My favorite is taking 7 minutes to load in then server error Altf4 reload game reload into session for another 5 minutes. Game finished or aborted. Fucking sick someone spawn killed me and took my kit and I've wasted my time. I've got 5 irl friends to buy the game and the number 1 issue for them not playing is time to get into a game. No one wants to wait 5 minutes doing absolutely nothing to load into a game especially when you die off spawns.
“No one wants to wait 5 minutes” oh boy, you shoulda been here a few years ago, that’d be considered a quick load in.
I still think that's not too bad compared to the first 2 weeks of each wipe. Maybe I'm just more patient than others. I also play squad though where you have to sometimes run for several minutes just to get popped in the skull.
I remember 45 minute customs queues
The old die to Tagilla 3 seconds into the raid trick.
but the map itself can be loaded. it's not like woods gonna look different every session, you can leave just the loot and containers to load in after matchmaking
Loading the map takes like 10 seconds, and does happen before you find the server. Loading loot/pools is what can take a while.
Yeah, I thought this too but if you actually watch the text that displays: loading data \~5 seconds loading map \~10 seconds Couple seconds of other loads Matching takes a like a minute or 2 Loading loot takes like 1-2 minutes but is usually the longest depending on the matching speed. Then sync So...preloading the map would really only shave maybe 30 seconds off, realistically 15 seconds. They can't preload the loot.
the other way is to not load the whole map worth of loot at once, why do you need more than 30 or 50 meters away from the player?
The other thing with loading all the loot at the start is its how the vaccuum looters know where to go.
The amount of people here suggesting absolutely apeshit suggestions is 10/10.
This is the exact order it loads lol, it processes the map and assets into your ram before anything server side, then matches you and creates the loot pools before the players spawn in with the 10s countdown and then scavs a few seconds after the match starts, watch your screen once in a while
Need more AKs don’t have time for useful things.
Why can't I access my stash or hide out while loading. At least I could do some organisation and cut down on that time .
I love this game and want to play it often. But the load times absolutely ruin the game for me. I’ll just watch it on YouTube.
I literally bought a friend an SSD to replace their Hand Cranked™ HDD after months of waiting for them to load into raids. I just couldn't take it anymore.
Lol thats crazy. It's so cheap now to have a SSD. If you could afford tarkov, you could afford an SSD
If your pc can load into streets at all, you can afford an SSD haha
This is exactly my level of impatience.
The solution to this is make it so we can do stash management while loading.
Would probably be the easiest solution to implement and honestly not a system I'd even complain about
They'll never do it. BSG don't respect our time.
Are you the unicorn software dev that every project owner loves?
whatchu tryna say lol
Users complain about some problem, project owner tells the developer how to fix it, dev is lazy and comes up with easier solution that makes everyone happy and not care about the actual issue at hand.
BSG please read this comment. IT CAN'T BE THAT HARD.
This problem makes arena miserable
The problem with arena matchmaking is now you have to choose 4 maps minimum
This is a positive not a negative lmao
People just dont accept the match till they get their map.... legit 50% of the time people dont click accpey
The problem with arena is that there is no FFA deathmatch mode. The entire reason for Arena's existence _should_ have been to give tarkov players a way to fill their time with **pvp**. PVP is such an important part of the game and yet is quite rare. You spend 20-40 minutes moving around, questing, looting and then you get into a fight that could potentially make that entire 20-40 minutes wasted. You need to be comfortable and confident for those moments. Yet when you're trying to improve / practice / warmup, there's not really a way to do that efficiently / conveniently in EFT. Arena should have been a remedy to that. And yet if I play Arena, I have to spend 2-4 minutes in queue, 1-3 minutes for everyone to load, 1-4 minutes in death spectator mode, 1-2 minutes in all the intermission and pre/post-game screens. Just to get into a couple fights. Such a waste. If arena actually had a FFA deathmatch where the queue+loading times were good (maybe just permanent servers that people join and leave from at will instead of having to match people for one single "game"), I guarantee a good number of EFT players would play Arena to warmup, practice, wait for friends, or just to play some tarkov when they don't have the time to commit to a full raid. It would compliment the game well and generate a stable playerbase for Arena to build from. Then also have the more competitive focused game modes to give people a change of pace from EFT and also to help introduce new players to tarkov in a way that's still competitive, but without the steep and punishing learning curve that EFT has.
Make tarkovs loading screen just a sandbox ffa deathmatch while the game takes 10m to actually load into game ❤️
This would be amazing, but I have absolutely zero hope that pretty much any game would implement this, let alone tarkov. Even Valorant doesn't let you use their (local) practice mode while you're in queue. Would be great if Tarkov could let you still interact with main menu + hideout while in queue (just fully lock your character once queue'd). And then improve the shooting range in your hideout to include unlimited ammo mode + maybe some challenge modes where you are timed and targets pop in and out like Valorant's practice mode. To be fair to all of this though, Arena _is_ a separate game from EFT. So it's possible you could have Arena open and playing a FFA DM while you're in EFT queue. And then just quickly close Arena when you're about to spawn in EFT. Hopefully your Arena client wouldn't be too impacted by EFT being open at the same time (at least until you spawn into the raid and I'd expect some minor choppy moments when different loading moments occur during the queue).
I’m not tech guru but something like PUBG would be perfect! Or even how warzone lobbies are just an absolute chaos for 2 mins while people load in
overwatch does this
This is what i was really hoping for, some sort of cod style ffa, or tdm matches. I just wanna jump into tarkov and shoot people, without the stress and anxiety this game can bring
30 seconds to accept a match is fucking stupid. They need to reduce that shit to 10 seconds.
What you’re saying is how it used to be and trust me, you’re better off hand cranking your meat during your wait because you’ll be right back here bitching about getting murdered off spawn by someone with the apollo 35 under their desk if they reverted it.
Yup, I remember my nephew would load into raids a full 5 minutes later than everyone else. We'd literally get a quest done before he loaded in. People were REALLY bitching back then.
I was constantly in before my mates back then and on factory or other maps with close spawns having to defend the spawn for your slower mates was so dumb
Yes let's change it to how it was a few years ago so people can go back to complaining about late spawns instead. What "middle ground"? What do you expect them to do?
Easy, put a limit time after which you spawn everyone done loading. That's how competitive games do it
I think that's the case. It's 4 minutes I believe
He's at 6:30 in the screenshot
The limit starts once the server session has been setup. That 6:30 in the screenshot is the time since OP queue'd. They are different numbers. If the server session was created at 2:45, it would have only been 3:45 at the time of the screenshot.
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>I was done loading at 1:15
As someone that consistently gets the late spawn and my duo has to protect me, yes. It is network based, not HDD/SSD. The game is loading the loot spawns from the servers.
another reason why loot tables should move to being completely server-side. Looting a container should make requests resulting in a json blob of the container's contents.
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I'm with u, my net is worse than my friend's and his rig is worse in almost every way but he always loads in first
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You say this and I have fast load times in an ssd but sometimes I also load a lot slower than my friends, sometimes faster
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ngl this is based as shit
I don't think that's even possible on a SATA SSD. Nevermind the 10x faster NVMe.
Neither of us are on hdd I’m just saying it’s hardware dependent and random
Justice for HDD!
I like how you can read this as supporting both sides
Record people's average load time and separate them by putting people with SSD's in one lobby and everyone else in another. /s for the the people with hand crank HDD's
If they do this I'm reinstalling bsg launcher to my hdd for empty raids and easy (low-spec hardware) kills
Can see it now “streamer X installed the game on a HDD thats why they their raids are empty”. Wouldn’t be surprised if cheat developers add a feature that allows you to sandbag your load times so the game flags your account as “slow” so you get the empty raids and skip a step.
Tarkov already has higher system requirements. I don't think it's unreasonable to encourage upgrading to an SSD by having those on HDDs load in late. SSDs are so cheap already. Even m.2's are cheap at this point. And it's useful outside of tarkov, the whole PC would be faster. People dropping thousands on PCs but won't spend an extra $50 on SSDs....
800$ on a GPU, no sweat, 100$ for a m.2 ssd. No way son. RAM and storage are like the 2 things that shouldn't be cheaped out on since they're already cheap.
closer to $50 a tb when you get them on sale
People that try to save money with their storage are clueless. Loading times, loading textures, loading and installing games or moving folders. The amount of time you save with the faster performance literally pays itself with the (at this point) minute price differences.
The problem with those on an HDD loading in late is that you could have players spawn behind you in an area you've already cleared. That would suck. I'd be more behind outright banning HDDs before they did that
Put all players with a 2010 hard drive into their own queue? Pretty simple lol
> What do you expect them to do? Make the map load first, then match the players?
1. Tweak spawns dynamically so people don’t spawn predictably within a single sprint bar of each other or within line of sight. 2. Implement a two minute grace period for the remaining PCs that are loading after 1/2 of connected players have loaded the map. 3. Notify players that are still loading that the raid is starting and their hardware is at fault. Alternatively, they could send players who can’t load in time back to the menu with their gear so they at least aren’t getting killed sitting still at their spawn. I’m sorry to say that this game is just not for people with the computing power of an early model XBox 360.
Place people in raids based on their loading times
I don't care man. If you can't afford to spend the money on the bare minimum shit to play the game then you deserve a late spawn. I spent 3000 dollars on my computer, I load in a minute, I shouldn't have to wait for the 13 year old on the dell laptop for 6 minutes
Except that as we already know from back when late spawns were a thing, long loading times aren't always tied to hardware and sometimes happened to people with M.2 SSDs in their $3000 PCs. I definitely got them sometimes with a very fast SSD and gigabit ethernet. If you're okay with spawning late and dying immediately once in a while too, more power to you I guess.
I literally still start later than everyone.... A week ago i died at 00:00:00be suse the game decided to spawn me in as im getting shot in the head by someone that ran all the way from their spawn to mine
please buy a SSD.
How much faster is loading off an SSD?
Let's just say if you're still on an HDD in 2024 you're either dirt poor or a fucking dumbass, whether you're playing Tarkov or not.
It's like going from a 1980s Toyota Camry to a Bugatti Veyron in terms of speed. It's quite literally an order of magnitude, tens or hundreds of MBps transfer rate on an HDD to single or low double digit GBps on an SSD. Also, a basic SSD costs like $20 or $30 off Amazon, plus a 6 pack of beer or whatever to pay your nerdy friend to install it for you if you can't do it yourself.
Was this on woods and did you have a duo? That may have been me hahaha.
what do i expect them to do? actually develop? idk, i think that's too difficult.
the cheapest 120g ssd is enough for windows and tarkov, please get one people, players are legit buying cheaters subscription but not ssd
“I shouldn’t have to wait on the dude with the Hand crank HDD” won this subreddit today.
If you have this game on an HDD, not only are you fucking your and everyone else's load times, you are massively hindering your game performance. Buy a 500gb WD Blue SSD for $53 fucking dollars and get much much much better load times and performance in all games installed on that drive.
hell buy a shit tier 120gb ssd for $15 bucks from amazon and it will still perform at minimum 2-3 times as fast as any HDD
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Is there any proof that you're waiting on someone with an HDD? I've never heard a detailed breakdown of what each stage of matchmaking means and why it's so slow, and I've been playing for a long, long time. It could be something else entirely, but it would be pretty hilarious if you were just here fuming over an imaginary poor person. My advice after a thousands of hours of tarkov: keep your monitor up so you can see when the timer pops, but use that downtime for other shit in your life. Do some pushups. Clean up your desk. Call your mom. Do something productive with that downtime. You can't fight the wind, but you can change your sails.
I upgraded to an SSD and it cut down load times from 6-7 minutes down to about 2 & 1/2. I upgraded my CPU and saw a much less significant 30-40 seconds faster load times. I miss coffee breaks between games.
I pressed "Ready" last night, stood up to go pee and was already loaded into the raid by the time I came back into the room. What the hell BSG - at least give a man time to shake his dick off.
“Sorry mom, raid is starting! Call you back in three minutes!”
lmfao i feel targeted.
These kinda of wait times are definitely someone who has an older PC. Possibly sometimes weak internet, but even with weak internet, you'll load everything pretty quickly. It's pretty safe to assume that whoever you're waiting on if it's longer than 5 minutes, is stuck loading loot on a lower-end PC. Source: used to be that guy
Sometimes the loading just gets inexplicably stuck on the synchronizing with players even with a very good pc. So it’s not *always* the hand cranked hard drive bois, only usually.
It could be more common for others, not going to deny that but in my case, this glitch is extremely rare, more common on player scavs than PMC.
I only ever get it on my pmc, and when it happens to me, it sometimes happens to the people I’m playing with as well. I notice it most often happens on lighthouse.
While you're definitely right, I don't think it's exclusively about slow PCs. I'm pretty sure that when someone disconnects while loading in, the lobby will be stuck at waiting for players until that person reconnects and then re-loads all the resources, or at least up to a point. So someone using a leet gamer PC that runs into a Unity error or something while loading in could technically be the cause of a particular instance of long wait times. That's my theory at least, I've seen the timing work out like that with people I've played with. OFC it's just a guess based on a very limited number of observations and zero insight into the technical reality of how the system actually works... so grain of salt and all that
You’re definitely right. Witnessed it many times myself. Eventually the game gets done waiting and just starts, somewhere around 5-6 minutes after the lobby is created and people start loading loot I think
Possibly, but it takes me about 1:30-2:00 to fully load everything now. Though I do have much better specs than I did before (went from an i5 3570k, 16gb ddr3, gtx 1080 and HDD to Ryzen 9 7900x, 32 gb ddr5 and rtx 3080 on a M.2.) My old PC would take between 5-10 minutes depending which map and how long I'd played. This game is poorly optimized and it just takes a beefy rig to load quickly, I agree it's not exclusive to slow PC's, but definitely is the majority case.
Its definitely older pc problem. My pc has dual SSD and HHD and i've shifted tarkov between drives a few times because one of my old raid buddies would constantly bitch about me being the slow loader. (granted this is when the games overall performance was absolutely atrocious regardless of PC) People are claiming like 7 minute load time differences just switching but i don't feel like thats true, and if it is, they must have significantly better computers and were just having tarkov on their HHD for whatever reason. If i switch between a HHD or SSD i only get a difference of like a minute load time. And like 70% of the time im not even the slowest loader if i was to play tarkov in current wipe. Sometimes I am, but its very rare now adays. And i play on HHD because my SSD is an old 128gb freebee from the builder. My computer is very old. Like 7 years or so. The difference between playing on an SSD or HHD is almost completely neglible to me. To you, its basically the same almost from my limited sample size. I haven't had a personal 11 minute load time since 2016. Now my load times are roughly 5-6 min on HHD, 5 min on SSD. so i don't know, you tell me.
Did you upgrade anything else? New CPU or more ram? I'm not saying it's entirely old HDD's, just older hardware in general. This game is quite CPU intensive as well as RAM. People's PC's aren't the issue, they're just affected by the real issue and that is poor optimization.
My sister and I have identical PC builds, only difference is the brand name on our GPU. Sometimes, one of us is waiting for players while the other one is still loading for multiple minutes. It is not consistent which one of us gets in faster. It's not quite as simple as "fastest SSD loads into the match first". We are both using Samsung 980 m.2 SSDs.
I would say it’s pretty confirmed. I don’t think I’m the only one that experienced this: I used to play on a shitty pc that didn’t have an SSD and while playing with a friend, he would be in the “waiting for players” screen exactly until the moment when my pc was finished loading all the stuff and send me into raids. It seems like there’s a static time that it will wait (6ish minutes I would guess?) that it will wait for people to load into the game before just sending everyone into the map, and the people that haven’t finished loading in will just load in late. All that being said, this is such a tiny complaint to make a post about lol
I don't think it's such a tiny complaint. I don't think it's players fault for having a bad PC either. I think the main problem is how you can't do anything while waiting for raid, if we could be in our stash in the meantime this wouldn't be such a problem but if every raid you lose 3 minutes because someone is loading really slowly, that turns into hours long term. I have 300 raid so far this wipe and if hypothetically I waited 3 minutes longer every raid because of someone else that has cost me 900 minutes so far or 15 hours of my life just doing nothing and waiting.
I don’t see how 6 minute match times are a tiny complaint. It’s one of my biggest peeves about the game, from end of raid til start of next it’s almost always 15 min and it really kills the flow of the game.
for some reason the "loading loot" part is almost entirely based on disk speed. upgrading to an ssd literally changes it to a minute and a half. instead of doing all that stuff stop wasting people's time and get the smallest ssd you can
Not just hard drives, I think of it this way, if person A fills slot 1 on the map, then they can start loading the loot, map and assets. Person B follows and by the time person L matches, person A is already loaded and “Waiting on players” person L still has to load the whole map and loot because they just matched so even if they have a fast drive it still takes time. The first few in the queue get the longest loading times. What I’m saying is it’s both matching time/ matching algo and loading time. While drive speed does matter, the matchmaking as a whole could be optimized by bsg to make it less synchronous.
You know when it says “loading map” and loading “loot” the game is loading files from your storage. It doesn’t come from the cloud. It comes from the files downloaded on your PC. The read speed of a 7200 rpm HDD is about 80 MB/s (bytes not bits) and a SATA SSD is about 200 MB/s. An NVMe SSD is about 6000 MB/s. When you see “waiting for other players” that means you have loaded all resources and are waiting for everyone else to catch up. Not hating on anyone who can’t afford an SSD (even though a SATA SSD is under $50) but yes there is a big difference.
>You know when it says “loading map” and loading “loot” the game is loading files from your storage. It doesn’t come from the cloud. Yes. >When you see “waiting for other players” that means you have loaded all resources and are waiting for everyone else to catch up. Not necessarily. See, where I think everyone is tricking themselves is when they believe that all players start loading the assets at the same time. In reality, you may very well be the first one to start that raid session on the server, and then matchmaking has to fiind 12 other players who are in 1) your region 2) queueing for that map and 3) have the right number of players in the squad to fit into the open slots. You know how it takes about 90 to 120 seconds for even a good PC to get to the waiting players part? Well, you get to waiting players, and then you have to wait for two or three other groups to get to the same stage. It's not insane to think that it might take a full six minutes for that. Conversely, I think popular maps suffer from too many players trying to cram into queues and that can adversely affect wait times too.
You seem to be the only person in this thread which thinks so and are 100% correct. The beauty of Tarkov beeing a Unity game is that its fairly simple to reverse engineer certain parts of it, looking at the match making code gives the impression that the "waiting for players" step is a combination of either waiting for others to finish loading OR waiting for players to actually be matched onto the server session. So if you are the one to open a new raid instance on the server, it could very well be you are at this step before anyone else even got matched with you and thus seeing way longer waiting times then if you are one of the last players to fill the raid.
I agree. I don't think a HDD will take 6-10 min to load a map. Lol. It makes more sense that "Waiting for players" means "The instance is waiting for more players to join your instance, otherwise you will be alone in your raid".
"fuming over an imaginary poor person" LMFAO. genuinely good advice too.
This comment
How dare you give someone actual advice. Clearly he just wants to punch air.
You sir, are a gentleman and scholar.
My man's giving you guys the truth you need, not what you deserve
Start the map when 80% have loaded in. Spawn the rest as soon as they're ready, then calculate the spawn point furthest away from an active threat. Problem solved. NASA chads don't have to wait, potato chads don't get instagibbed.
Having an SSD is not NASA computer level lol, this is nearly 2 decade old technology at this point
A beautifully elegant solution, we'll just make it so poor people with bad PCs aren't allowed to reach POIs like black keycard or get to Killa in time, and the only thing we have to do to accomplish that is find a bunch of new spawn points that don't intersect with any of the near-infinite number of sight lines that stem from up to a dozen players having 5 minutes to move around the map in any direction they want.
One of a dozen ways bsg could make the matchmaking process shorter but they choose to be uncreative and make the process as synchronous and inefficient as possible.
It’s similar to the issue that PUBG ran Into with recoil being tired to FPS in the game engine. If you don’t make everybody wait, Tarkov becomes pay to win.
Could be argued that almost all multiplayer FPS games are pay to win since having a better PC = more FPS, it's much easier to PVP with high FPS. Same could be said for a better monitor.
Eh, kinda. As long as the game is set up to have a universal engine despite FPS (which they all are) you get a negligible amount of extra information with more FPS. A person who plays extensively and has excellent aim and game knowledge will beat a rookie with the ultimate setup. The ergonomic improvement of FPS is really all you pay for after somewhere around 110 or so.
not true. i guarantee you would get shit on in cs by some kid on 60hz monitor and low specs.
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Make all the hdd players play with each other they deserve it
I think the better suggestion would be to have BSG optimize their game to not take 6 minutes to load on some peoples machines.
Games require SSD’s these days, it’s just how it is. Get with the times, majority of games have SSD as a minimum requirement. Have you played games on a HDD? It fucking sucks
It’s not lack of SSD causing this
What
ITS NOT LACK OF SSD CAUSING THIS Source: me running the game on potato with SSD. Ram plays a large part and cpu.
Yes it does play a large part I am aware. I am referring to people who do not own an SSD by any means
Point is, it it’s necessarily HDDs
It plays a part
Bro what do you want them to do? Just load in people at different times? So that spawn killing is even easier? Lieterally every game works like this. Admittedly it might be worse on Tarkov because of how bad the net code is but like calm down bro you're not dealing with anything special
I’d love to hear you elaborate on this “middle ground” you propose. Early spawns were objectively worse for everyone, and there is no “middle ground” there. Even different SSDs load at noticeably different speeds.
Yeah it's rough. Want people playing on potatoes to still be able to play but can't wait forever. Real question is why we have to wait until we find a match to load loot and loot tables. Get everything loaded and *then* search for a match. edit: also I still remember being absolutely *thrilled* to get in a raid in 6 minutes. Used to be we requeued at 20 min
Its the guy running wow and youtube in the background, ram full.
The game should kick em back to the lobby at 5 mins and let us all get on with it. Maybe then people will upgrade.
Bro waited 2 minutes longer than usual 💀
Times 1000 raids equals 33 hours of unnecessary waiting.
Surprised you’ve not been downvoted to oblivion. Every time I mention something like this I get downvoted because people cannot grasp the concept that if your pc can run this game you can afford an SSD. Ignore the other guy saying the game will load without them, yes it will after like 5-6 minutes and it is ridiculous. Also the performance loss by not owning an SSD is insane.
We should ban HDDs
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100% agree. i miss the times you would load in at 1:30 no matter what and whoever has a fucking wood burning computer fuck them get gud. man i miss those times....this is the most frustrating thing with tarkov for me to this day. i dont care about cheaters. the fucking queue times and the fucking menu loading times JESUS CHRIST
Yup, the middle ground should be matchmaking based on your previous loading times. Let potato PCs play together
No chance. EFT is not a survival game anymore, it's a surival deathmatch. Everybody has to spawn at the same time, because SOMEHOW the community thinks Tarkov is supposed to be competitive.
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Because the way the game is designed is kind of bad. In an ideal world you are not dependent on other peoples hardware. Maybe only when you are not solo queueing and have a team with you. The games maps/levels should be running non stop with loot respawning dynamically. When you load in you should just load onto a running server. The spawn should be one far away from anyone already playing on the server. That way you can't abuse spawns or anything. The whole Meta gaming where you know that when you have top spawn on customs that you will be first in Dorms or something is so bad.
The game should tag the 10% of players who cause other players to wait for the most time per raid and then everyone should no longer have to wait for those players anymore. This could be evaluated in terms of your most recent 100 or so games so people can upgrade their computer and the system would adjust. I'm fine with players who have really cheap rigs being able to play the game, but it is not fair to the 90% of players (in this scenario) who have invested the resources to get a better experience to have to wait for those who haven't.
Entitled much? You know there are a lot of people outside your bubble, that can’t afford a high end pc!
The game already starts regardless after around 4-5 minutes.
dont blame the player, blame the 2017 unity engine game for needing specs way too high for how it looks
In a sense, I'm impressed they crammed Streets into Unity 2017, but it really is creaking.
And die in a minute from crazy ass mf or cheater. I love it
scavs can load in at later times. maybe they should make it so you can spawn in later in the raid, but prevent the old issue of people literally spawning in front of you
Either you play a single player game and load as fast as your machine or you play a multiplayer game and wait on other players. This happens in league and CS and Overwatch and every other multiplayer game. There is no middle ground that doesn't just give a huge advantage to people with better hardware.
I’m surprised they don’t have a pre raid lobby where people can just hang out. Like CSGO had warm ups where you can just run around and kill people while others loaded in. Even PUBG had and still has this where you can run around punching people for fun and voiping (Taiwan numba one)
Yep, if you have a HDD you should get late into the raids. Getting 6 minutes of queue to get head eyes 10 seconds into the raid feels bad.
You can get a half decent 500gb ssd for under $50 now. There are no excuses anymore.
I think people who can't load maps in a reasonable time should have to preload ONE map per game launch. So if they want to go Streets, they preload streets, and if they want to go somewhere else, they can reopen their game and prefetch a different map. 1 person waits instead of 10+. There is far too much waiting in this game already.