Over the past few decades, genetic research has revealed two deep truths about people. The first is that all humans are closely related—more closely related than all chimps, even though there are many more humans around today. Everyone has the same collection of genes, but with the exception of identical twins, everyone has slightly different versions of some of them. Studies of this genetic diversity have allowed scientists to reconstruct a kind of family tree of human populations.
That has revealed the second deep truth: In a very real sense, all people alive today are Africans.
Our species, Homo sapiens, evolved in Africa—no one is sure of the exact time or place. The most recent fossil find, from Morocco, suggests that anatomically modern human features began appearing as long as 300,000 years ago. For the next 200,000 years or so, we remained in Africa, but already during that period, groups began to move to different parts of the continent and become isolated from one another—in effect founding new populations.
All non-Africans today, the genetics tells us, are descended from a few thousand humans who left Africa maybe 60,000 years ago. These migrants were most closely related to groups that today live in East Africa, including the Hadza of Tanzania. Because they were just a small subset of Africa’s population, the migrants took with them only a fraction of its genetic diversity.
That being said, all Ethiopians fall in to the Kush category of the Different Ethnic groups that are in Africa (except maybe for some Nilo-Saharian ethnic groups in some parts of the country). In addition Habeshas/Highlanders have DNA mixtures from Arabia, Western Asia, & North Africa including a mixture of Jewish DNA because of mass migration that happened 1000s of years ago.
P.S - Sorry about the long comment, I hope you found it helpful
Congrats on being habesha, I too am ሐበሻ, there is about a 100M of us, you're not as unique as you think, lol. Also I made my comments based on Research Papers, Genetic Researchs, Anthropologycal Studies. Even the Etymology of the word Habesha points to us being a mix of ethnicities. What is your proof we are not?
iirc ~75-80% from local Cushitic populations (genetically akin to modern Somalis and Rendille populations for example) + ~20-25% Ancient South Arabian (which is why you guys speak South Semitic languages like Amhara, may peak at over a third in Eritrea), best represented in modern terms by some more isolated Yemeni or Bedouin Saudi populations.
Spoke so much and forgot to say the most important. Originally they even are not from Africa, they came from the ancient lost continent, Atlantis. This is the real reason they look, physically so different.
There is, surprisingly enough, an inkling of truth buried in your sentiment. The "non-african" component of Habesha dna is apparently strikingly similar to that of the Minoans, who were the inspiration for the myth of Atlantis.
This is interesting because a lot of the Western Eurasian dna that Habeshas possess can be traced back to about 3000 years ago, around the same time as the Bronze Age collapse and mass migrations in the Mediterranean and Levant regions.
Perhaps the same societal collapse that serves as the historical basis for Atlantis was the same factor that caused the possible migration of Minoans (or Atlanteans as you would probably refer to them) into the Ethiopian Highlands.
Recent research definitely suggests this is possible, if not probable. Regardless, the East African component of Habesha dna is more prominent than any singular Eurasian source.
It seems Habeshas have large amounts of Anatolian and Neolithic farmers which Natufians, I should also mention that it’s unlikely the Sabaeans influenced the language shift to Semitic, as the link between Ge’ez and Sabaean aside from both being related semitic languages and being found in the same place as Ge’ez artefacts. There is no proof to say Ge’ez came from or influenced Sabaean and is much older than originally thought, problem is, it’s origins are kind of a mystery.
Even somalis aren't 90% cushitic.Roughly habesha are 60%cushitic 30%Arabian 10%Nilosaharan(pretty close to these estimates).And cushites diverge from both blacks(Niger-congo speaking,Nilotic speaking etc)and middle easterners so cushites aren't black or middle eastern.
You know it's interesting, once I asked a respected history teacher ,why Ethiopia is not part of the EAC yet we hastily welcomed DRC and South Sudan, he said ...well Ethiopia is different...I immediately knew what he meant.Btw even South Sudan had it's problems when it tried to join it was rejected at first because of the 'war ' but this is just a farce
No,but the politics of the EAC indicate that the EAC should have approached Ethiopia by now, it's a huge market of 115 mn people, but they haven't . Note how they tend to avoid Ethiopian affairs ie the Tigray war,Oromo insurgency etc,but they take a very keen interest in the Congo or South Sudan
That might not be influenced by race tho. I don't think Ethiopia is willing to join them since the country is very influential in the region. Also Kenya have been very active with the Ethiopian Civil War. The rest aren't, since they are not close enough. At the same time tho. It makes me wonder why they have never offered anything to Ethiopia. I have seen some Africans claiming we don't consider ourselves African. Maybe they feel that way too. I don't know how popular that is tho. Besides Somalians everyone around us has a good opinion of our country and history. But it is true they would have gotten access to 110 million people. That is almost half of their combined population. Maybe they see our population size a threat to their political affairs. If seats are based on population size. We will be taking a huge chunk of it. That will give us a lot much power. Maybe they don't want that. Hopefully we will see a united Africa one day.
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It's not about population size being a threat ,population size doesn't matter If you can't vote as a block. There's also the language barrier factor ...all the countries in the EAC speak English and/or kiswahili .Ethiopia does not.
Regarding Kenya being active in the Ethiopian civil war,Kenya has no choice .A unstable Ethiopia is dangerous for Kenya, I think you can remember the Turbi Massacre in 2005 when suspected OLF fighters entered Kenya and Massacred Kenyans,we can't have that again. And remember the greater Somali ideology ,Somalis occupy the North Eastern Region of the country and the Ogaden Region of Ethiopia and there has been talk of a greater Somali ideology which will only become attractive as Somalia stabilises and hence Ethiopian stability is much needed.Also the Kenyan government has been allocating a disproportionate amount of Money to those counties in the North Eastern region ,which I suspect is to make Nairobi more attractive.Much of the money has been stolen of course by the corrupt governments of these counties and their governors are now crying they have no food to feed their people..
Well as you said population size might not be a problem to them. I am curious if Ethiopia ever approached them to join. Maybe they don't see Ethiopia as interested in any type of union. African leaders and war loards want to even devide us further. You can see the current Ethiopian poltics where evey region has one or two poltical parties with the name liberation-front actively working to devide the country. I don't know if Ethiopia is stable enough to join any type of union or if Ethiopian polticians have any interest. Otherwise we have done so much for Africa. We have been in rewanda for peace keeping, we have helped Zimbabwe to get independce, we have helped DRC to prevent them from dividing. We founded the African union. Helped Nigeria in its Civil War and helped save them from dividing. Helped Somalia with their alshebab war. We are preety much one of the most pro African country on the continent. Not getting invited because we don't speak the same language is an insult for what we did for Africa. Maybe it is a lot deeper and complicated than that.
Am not saying any African leader is dividing Ethiopia. I am saying African leaders and war loards mostly works to further devide African people. That might be why Ethiopian leaders never requested to join the union because at the root they want to devide Ethiopia let alone join a union. And as a proof we can see all the pros liberation poltical parties. I don't believe they are capable of joining a union. They can't even keep what they have together.
In most cases war Lords are after the financial rewards say diamonds,gold, oil but Ethiopia is quite different from an outsiders point of view ,we just don't understand why Ethiopians are fighting although remembering that it was an empire less than 40 years ago helps a bit but still....one is left to wonder does the tribalism run that deep ? Why would a region like Tigray want to secede? What's the reward ?exce pt famine, hunger and suffering...what's in it for the leaders...? These are the questions I and most people outside ask ourselves.
If the leaders want to stay. They all know eventually they will have to answer for all of the crimes they committed. By succeeding they will be able to secure their future. In the other hand. Tplf has been spreading hate all over the country. Specially targeted at amharans. They devided the border of each region arbitrary and all regions claim some other region took their land. It's completely impossible for any region to succeed without a bloody war. I am 100% sure. Even if we don't like each other. Our best option is to stay together. At this point with all the lands that are in dispute. If we decide to succeed. We can see over 10- 20 different ethnic groups engaging in a war.
The so called leaders have no other means to win elections. Even if they are popular in their region. The leading party will suppress their voice. As a last resort they see succeeding the only option to gain power . This is part of the reason but their major reasons are hate, and power. Honestly speaking. I have never seen any party running with an actual economic agenda and democratic goal. Their entire party is all about ethnic based politics and claiming they have been victims of some other region. It is easier to convince the people through ethnic politics rather than an actual economic and democratic ideas. I don't even believe they actually have any kind of socioeconomic agenda. They are just a bunch of morons. Their entire belief is based on we will be the heros that will save them and they will never care about other essential things like freedom ans economic growth.
That a very generic and wrong statement. I firmly want a strong and United Ethiopia. It’s the politicians who do the wrong stuff for their own personal interests. It’s a very complex issue for the people of Ethiopia to solve their own problems as the government systems are not supportive which was intentionally built this was so that.
Because thousands of years ago migrants from West Asia interbred with local much darker populations, the original East africans (that looked like modern Dinka and other peoples from South Sudan). Some of them got a lot more eurasian dna, others less, but ALL the populations in modern Ethiopia are a least a bit mixed with eurasians. I would say omotic peoples are less mixed than Amhara, for example. But that's why a lot of ethiopians, and other peoples in East Africa as well, look different from other africans. Other mixing like the nubians occurred much later than this but still got similar results
So who are "we Ethiopians"? Ethiopians have different look within ourselves from light skinned to dark skinned. There are plenty Kenyans that look like some Ethiopians...plenty Sudanese that look like Ethiopians...plenty south Sudanese that look like Ethiopians...these are just from out neighbors. "We" are not different from any country that has diverse looks... I'm sure there are egotistical people all across the world that feel they look different from others and think they are an exception too.
>So who are "we Ethiopians"?
Highland Ethiopians.
>Ethiopians have different look within ourselves
You're right. For example, there's a contrasting looks difference between lowland Ethiopians(afar, somalis, gambelas and southern omo people...) and Highland ones.
>I'm sure there are egotistical people all across the world that feel they look different from others and think they are an exception too.
Tbh I don't think that Looking different equates to good.
Afar and Somalis look way more like Highlanders than Gambella and Omo people imo. I could pass as a highlander and get mistaken for one every so often. But the reason is that highlanders have the same cushitic base as the rest of us in addition to south Arabian that migrated and took over the Agew.
If you took an Afar and gave them like 10%-20% more south arabian you make a habesha.
>You're right. For example, there's a contrasting looks difference between lowland Ethiopians(afar, somalis, gamblers and southern omo people...) and Highland ones.
Amhara, Tigray, Gurage, Silte etc are Semitic speaking, Highlanders, usually orthodox who have a general phenotype.
Oromo, Somali, Afar, Sidamo, Hadiyya, Saho etc are Cushitic speaking, usually Muslim peoples who inhabit the flatland. They too have a general phenotype.
The Omotic people are in a separate category both linguistically and in the way they look.
Finally the Gambela people are closely related to the peoples of South Sudan. They are Nilotic and have a distinct phenotype as well.
Lastly, in Ethiopia, especially the big cities, it is difficult to tell as there's a lot of mixture. So, unless you're in very specific areas, this is all futile.
I have all the answers… and since you specifically referred to Habeshas in one comment I will just refer to Habesha…according to what Ik of… you guys look different due to..
1. Admixtures with some southern arabians. In ancient times you guys even conquered south arabia, some even traveled to mainland Abyssinia and interbred with some of the people, especially the Eritrean coast and Tigray, some if lucky enough went deeper into 🇪🇹 as far as Amhara zone. Habesha also means in Arabic language “mixed” or mixed black population of ETH/ERI.
Also let me remind you that you also mixed with a lot of Cushitic/Omotic/Nilotic groups to restore your African blood, those painting of Habeshas with big eyes were how you guys use to look before you remixed with neighboring populations.
2. The climate in Ethiopia is far different than any other nation in Africa, we are the Himalayas of Africa aka “Roof of Africa” so the climate will definitely have an effect on your features like lighter skin due to less sunlight (applies to Amharas as Tigray is more hot and scorched) and the narrow features could be a result of natural selection/admixtures/environment. Some of you guys may have Yemenis admixtures so your skin may be lighter as well. Ethiopia is highly elevated so having certain features like high nose bridge & small lips protects your respiratory system from low oxygen levels. Because of this elevation of ground level it explains why Ethiopians (Oromos) like Kenyans ( Kalenjins) are good runners.
3. Most Ethiopian women as to the men are lightskin due to their mothers of great grandmothers being lightskin. The fathers will always be darker even if a shade or two. The more admixtured looking the women is, the more likely the women will be married (Amhara, Tigray, Harari). But in Gurage region it’s quite different and don’t have this practice as a lot are darkskin due to mixing with Oromos and Yemsa people (Original people of Gurage zone) but they are still Habeshas but with some non-Habesha genes.
Hope this explains the phenotype of Habeshas… environment, admixtures, & preferences of certain physical characteristics to pass down to next generation is the reason.
I don't think gurages are darker than other habeshas,soddo gurages mix a lot with oromos(so does most amhara especially wollo) which are a small fraction of the population.Gurage cluster with other habeshas(Amhara,Tigray) and are even closer to afars(whose genetics very similar to habesha) genetically than to oromos.Gurage may even have more south arabian ancestry due to the fact that the difference between genetics of Ethiopians and Yemeni being significant except in the case of Gurage with a distance of .0115.For reference the distance of Amharans and Tigrayans is .0375 and .0320 respectively(the closer the number is to 0 the closer are the populations).All of this shows that gurages aren't less Habesha.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182106/
And Yemsa along with hadiya in addition to the territories they lived in today inhabited Jimma not the present fay Gurage Zone.
Less sunlight as in not intense, we may have sun, but it’s not to the point it’s scorching hot and I need to stay in the shade, unless you live in Eastern or Tigray region. Ethiopias highlands has blessed 🇪🇹 wonderful shade, which is why people rarely get sunburned here.
Ok the reason countries like kenya, angola ,zimbabwe,lesotho ,camaroonian highlands and south africa and rwanda
Have cool temperate temperatures is elevation ,the higher in the atmosphere you go the colder it gets thats why mount kilomanjaro has snow because at that height no heat is being retained in the atmosphere,
Ethio
Horn-Africans, in general, have 40-50% Middle-Eastern ancestry. Middle-Eastern ancestry arrived, unlike what most people think, in 2 waves. The first Middle-Eastern wave arrived around 11,500 years ago via Sinai into Horn Africa. These migrants were closely related to Modern-day North Africans (which is also the reason why Berber music and Horn-African music sound so similar).
The latter wave, which was around 3,000 years ago, arrived from the Arabian peninsula. This wave is the reason why highlanders look ''different'' from other Horn-Africans.
Now, you might want to know who the populations, before the Middle-Eastern migrations, were. Well, Horn Africa was mainly populated by Nilo-Saharan hunter-gatherers, who looked similar to the Modern-day South-Sudanese, since they belonged to the same group. These hunter-gatherers were also the source of our stereotypical ''lanky'' appearance, just like the South Sudanese, we have a very tall and slim appearance.
May I ask have you ever seen any Ethiopian Jews?
Would you consider them tall and lanky or small?
Tityish Aynaw is definitely taller than Shimon Peres in the photo of her with him, but she is a supermodel.
I am honestly lurking because I am curious about how Ethiopian women style themselves: I am short, overweight and white. So I know how to dress myself but not women who look completely different.
3 waves are known now.
Somalis have ancestry from 1 in them, Oromos and Afar typically have ancestry from 2, and Amhara, Tigray, and Agew typically have all 3. Of course there's wiggle room.
which oromo are you talking about? there is borena and barentu. barentu oromos have more mix than borena oromo. borena oromos are the borenas and the wollegas, the barentu oromos are shewa, arsi, harar, etc.. if you study the genetic makeup of borena oromos it only around 15% of middle east ancestary compared to the habeshas who have 50to60%, the barentu oromos and the wollaitas who have 30 to 40% and the somalis who have 40% middle east ancestary.
It’s sad you can’t even ask a question. I tell my children don’t ever ever ask a person that is black a question about their culture history etc. you might offend just by being curios wanting to learn. At least this is what is like in the US. I’m Latina and love when people ask me questions about my culture country etc. I use it as a teaching moment for people that actually answer the question. Thank You. I know very little about Africa and it was nice to learn.
>I tell my children don’t ever ever ask a person that is black a question about their culture history etc. you might offend just by being curios wanting to learn
I know your comment is a year old, but I've found things to be the complete opposite. People of all colors, including black, love to tell you about their culture. Don't restrict your children from gaining knowledge about other cultures because of fear.
Kinda cringey how some people always have to randomly compare ourselves to Europeans? The admixture is likely some Arab, but some folks stay reaching to geographically skip over that area and bring Europe into the picture for some bizarre reason. I can't help but think some cringey secret desire is seeping out whenever someone brings that continent into our comparison.
They look Horn Africans for Rwandans .They're also genetically different with 0 Natufian ancestry(45-55% in horners maybe less in somalis) and 0 Zagrosian ancestry(3-8% in horners) and very little North african ancestry with less than 3% in habeshas and up to 10% in somalis.Tutsi and cushitic people are very different they look cushitic for a bantu but still are very different.
My response was for your comment not for the post.And like I said you look cushitic for Rwandans you're not cushitic.Ethiopians are very different in genotype to tutsi too.
1.What is "we".If you mean tutsi from other bantu then its because you carry more east african hunter gatherer ancestry similar to the one cushites have.That doesnt make you similar since you lack a whole lot of other ancestries.Tusti are still cluster with other bantu like Hutu and Kikuyu.
2.Oral traditions aren't reliable,genetics is.
1.Yes but genetics do not explain origin. Tutsi have mixed, through time, with bantu all around the are so there dna will show that; does not mean it is their origin- neither does it explain their origin.
2. We carry more easy African hunter ancestry which begs the question, from where and whom. This is best answered with oral tradition, as Africans we have never doubted it's validity.
1.Yes genetics explains origin
2.You're bantu with relatively more ethiopic ancestry from other bantu.
2.Cushitic people(including ethio-semites) aside from east african hunter gatherer(the one we share)have Natufians ancestry(35-55%),Zagrosian ancestry(3-8%),North African farmer(under 3%in habeshas and 5-9% in somalis),Tusti carry almost 0% of these ancestries.
They speak afroasiatic languages,predominantly carry hapogroup E1b1b(only 3 percent of tutsi carry this haplogroup).
In Somali oral traditions they also say somali come from arabs.But it's proven that somali have under 7% arabian ancestry.Oral traditions are very unreliable.
Some cushitic people were assimilated by you and that's it.Your east african ancestry is more nilotic than cushitic.Your brothers are Hutus not somalis.
Why are you being toxic? If you can give constructive criticism go ahead I would appreciate it. But saying "go f*ck yourself" wouldn't help this discussion imo.
Yes to an extend but I’d say clothing and hair style etc play a big part too. But I think Ethiopians and north Sudanese look the most alike in Africa in terms of facial features.
Not just to an extent come on now.Clothing and hairstyle aren't under the umbrella of phenotype.Sure north sudanese and Ethiopians look alike but not the most alike,for Ethiopia it would be eritrea,I'm Ethiopian and can't the difference.
This is a pretty good question I'd like to know the answer to...if only people weren't trying to find ways to get offended in the comment section...tag me if someone actually answers the question
The deserts in the south prevented large-scale interaction between the horn and the rest of East Africa.
Ethiopians are for the most part a mix of natives, and Eurasian people who migrated before the invention of agriculture (and hence before the skin-lightening genes common in Europe and Middle-East)
The rest of East Africa is mostly a mix of natives, West African farmers, and later Nilotic herders.
I'm sorry, but why do we always have to compare ourselves to Europeans? The admixture is likely some Arab genes, but way stay reaching to geographically skip over that and bring Europe into the picture for some bizarre reason. I can't help but think some cringey secret desire is seeping out whenever someone brings that continent into our comparison.
I can't give you an exact historical or even biological reason, but I can tell you from familial experience that Ethiopian looks vary a LOT. Even in one family with one parental unit, there will be lightest of light and darkest of dark, with different facial structures, heights, etc. Even different shades of eye colors at times.... Not to mention if kids are born mixed with other ethnic backgrounds, they take strongly after those phenotypes, rather than the stereotypic Ethiopian look. It's odd, but I think there must be a lot of phenotypic diversity within Ethiopian genes, and that allows for flexibility within look. If you go to Southern Ethiopia (like the Gambela region) they look very dark and more like the Sudanese people. If you move to Northern Ethiopia, they look lighter and more like Middle Eastern people. I think the one thing that makes us all look the same is our eyes and brow region...that's the only way I can pick a habesha out of the crowd, like instantly lol
the first eurasians were darker and so were natufian.Arabians carry the most natufian around 70% and they look nothing like "negroid".Natufian is 50%basal eurasian and 50%.Natufian is Eurasian it's an undisputed fact.And you can't tell about a persons ancestry from a marker like E1B1B which could come from .0000000001% of a persons ancestry besides most people that carry E1b1b are predominantly west eurasian.Famous figures like Hitler,Einstein,Napoleon carry e1b1b would they also be "negroid" or European descent.
How sure are u that others didn't mix ? What Makes people fully black? Do black Americans qualify for black cause many of them have some European or native American gene?
It's because of their Western Eurasian ancestry, or 'Caucasian ' ancestry, with Caucasian being an outdated term for the most part.
In fact, someone r/illustrativeDNA discovered that Northern Ethiopians/Eritreans plot closer to European groups than they do to Yoruba people such as myself. This is why I find that being in the same race as Horn Africans, doesn't really make any sense to me at all, and that is especially the case for Aboriginal Australians. Being black is most definitely just a social status thing.
Over the past few decades, genetic research has revealed two deep truths about people. The first is that all humans are closely related—more closely related than all chimps, even though there are many more humans around today. Everyone has the same collection of genes, but with the exception of identical twins, everyone has slightly different versions of some of them. Studies of this genetic diversity have allowed scientists to reconstruct a kind of family tree of human populations. That has revealed the second deep truth: In a very real sense, all people alive today are Africans. Our species, Homo sapiens, evolved in Africa—no one is sure of the exact time or place. The most recent fossil find, from Morocco, suggests that anatomically modern human features began appearing as long as 300,000 years ago. For the next 200,000 years or so, we remained in Africa, but already during that period, groups began to move to different parts of the continent and become isolated from one another—in effect founding new populations. All non-Africans today, the genetics tells us, are descended from a few thousand humans who left Africa maybe 60,000 years ago. These migrants were most closely related to groups that today live in East Africa, including the Hadza of Tanzania. Because they were just a small subset of Africa’s population, the migrants took with them only a fraction of its genetic diversity. That being said, all Ethiopians fall in to the Kush category of the Different Ethnic groups that are in Africa (except maybe for some Nilo-Saharian ethnic groups in some parts of the country). In addition Habeshas/Highlanders have DNA mixtures from Arabia, Western Asia, & North Africa including a mixture of Jewish DNA because of mass migration that happened 1000s of years ago. P.S - Sorry about the long comment, I hope you found it helpful
Ethiopians are not mixed sorry I’m Habesha myself
Congrats on being habesha, I too am ሐበሻ, there is about a 100M of us, you're not as unique as you think, lol. Also I made my comments based on Research Papers, Genetic Researchs, Anthropologycal Studies. Even the Etymology of the word Habesha points to us being a mix of ethnicities. What is your proof we are not?
If you say habesha are mixed then what are habesha mixed with as Science says that we are mixed it seems like
Doesn't habesha literally mean mixed? Lol
Yes, most Ethiopian or Eritrean elders will tell you this
we not 100m we are like 20m only amhara and tigray are habesha
and which illiterate school did you go to good sir?
iirc ~75-80% from local Cushitic populations (genetically akin to modern Somalis and Rendille populations for example) + ~20-25% Ancient South Arabian (which is why you guys speak South Semitic languages like Amhara, may peak at over a third in Eritrea), best represented in modern terms by some more isolated Yemeni or Bedouin Saudi populations.
Ethiopians came from the ancient lost continent of Atlantis.
Learned a lot from this. Thank you for this insightful comment!
Spoke so much and forgot to say the most important. Originally they even are not from Africa, they came from the ancient lost continent, Atlantis. This is the real reason they look, physically so different.
There is, surprisingly enough, an inkling of truth buried in your sentiment. The "non-african" component of Habesha dna is apparently strikingly similar to that of the Minoans, who were the inspiration for the myth of Atlantis. This is interesting because a lot of the Western Eurasian dna that Habeshas possess can be traced back to about 3000 years ago, around the same time as the Bronze Age collapse and mass migrations in the Mediterranean and Levant regions. Perhaps the same societal collapse that serves as the historical basis for Atlantis was the same factor that caused the possible migration of Minoans (or Atlanteans as you would probably refer to them) into the Ethiopian Highlands. Recent research definitely suggests this is possible, if not probable. Regardless, the East African component of Habesha dna is more prominent than any singular Eurasian source.
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You have been too late my friend. nevertheless, I appreciate your input!
As long as I can help, you saw it at least😅
Did Ethiopians mix with Levantines before they became Anatolian Natufians or are we taking about pure Natufians?
It seems Habeshas have large amounts of Anatolian and Neolithic farmers which Natufians, I should also mention that it’s unlikely the Sabaeans influenced the language shift to Semitic, as the link between Ge’ez and Sabaean aside from both being related semitic languages and being found in the same place as Ge’ez artefacts. There is no proof to say Ge’ez came from or influenced Sabaean and is much older than originally thought, problem is, it’s origins are kind of a mystery.
Even somalis aren't 90% cushitic.Roughly habesha are 60%cushitic 30%Arabian 10%Nilosaharan(pretty close to these estimates).And cushites diverge from both blacks(Niger-congo speaking,Nilotic speaking etc)and middle easterners so cushites aren't black or middle eastern.
You know it's interesting, once I asked a respected history teacher ,why Ethiopia is not part of the EAC yet we hastily welcomed DRC and South Sudan, he said ...well Ethiopia is different...I immediately knew what he meant.Btw even South Sudan had it's problems when it tried to join it was rejected at first because of the 'war ' but this is just a farce
Did Ethiopia ever requested to join EAC?
No,but the politics of the EAC indicate that the EAC should have approached Ethiopia by now, it's a huge market of 115 mn people, but they haven't . Note how they tend to avoid Ethiopian affairs ie the Tigray war,Oromo insurgency etc,but they take a very keen interest in the Congo or South Sudan
That might not be influenced by race tho. I don't think Ethiopia is willing to join them since the country is very influential in the region. Also Kenya have been very active with the Ethiopian Civil War. The rest aren't, since they are not close enough. At the same time tho. It makes me wonder why they have never offered anything to Ethiopia. I have seen some Africans claiming we don't consider ourselves African. Maybe they feel that way too. I don't know how popular that is tho. Besides Somalians everyone around us has a good opinion of our country and history. But it is true they would have gotten access to 110 million people. That is almost half of their combined population. Maybe they see our population size a threat to their political affairs. If seats are based on population size. We will be taking a huge chunk of it. That will give us a lot much power. Maybe they don't want that. Hopefully we will see a united Africa one day.
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It's not about population size being a threat ,population size doesn't matter If you can't vote as a block. There's also the language barrier factor ...all the countries in the EAC speak English and/or kiswahili .Ethiopia does not. Regarding Kenya being active in the Ethiopian civil war,Kenya has no choice .A unstable Ethiopia is dangerous for Kenya, I think you can remember the Turbi Massacre in 2005 when suspected OLF fighters entered Kenya and Massacred Kenyans,we can't have that again. And remember the greater Somali ideology ,Somalis occupy the North Eastern Region of the country and the Ogaden Region of Ethiopia and there has been talk of a greater Somali ideology which will only become attractive as Somalia stabilises and hence Ethiopian stability is much needed.Also the Kenyan government has been allocating a disproportionate amount of Money to those counties in the North Eastern region ,which I suspect is to make Nairobi more attractive.Much of the money has been stolen of course by the corrupt governments of these counties and their governors are now crying they have no food to feed their people..
Well as you said population size might not be a problem to them. I am curious if Ethiopia ever approached them to join. Maybe they don't see Ethiopia as interested in any type of union. African leaders and war loards want to even devide us further. You can see the current Ethiopian poltics where evey region has one or two poltical parties with the name liberation-front actively working to devide the country. I don't know if Ethiopia is stable enough to join any type of union or if Ethiopian polticians have any interest. Otherwise we have done so much for Africa. We have been in rewanda for peace keeping, we have helped Zimbabwe to get independce, we have helped DRC to prevent them from dividing. We founded the African union. Helped Nigeria in its Civil War and helped save them from dividing. Helped Somalia with their alshebab war. We are preety much one of the most pro African country on the continent. Not getting invited because we don't speak the same language is an insult for what we did for Africa. Maybe it is a lot deeper and complicated than that.
African leaders are not dividing Ethiopia, Ethiopians are dividing Ethiopia
Am not saying any African leader is dividing Ethiopia. I am saying African leaders and war loards mostly works to further devide African people. That might be why Ethiopian leaders never requested to join the union because at the root they want to devide Ethiopia let alone join a union. And as a proof we can see all the pros liberation poltical parties. I don't believe they are capable of joining a union. They can't even keep what they have together.
In most cases war Lords are after the financial rewards say diamonds,gold, oil but Ethiopia is quite different from an outsiders point of view ,we just don't understand why Ethiopians are fighting although remembering that it was an empire less than 40 years ago helps a bit but still....one is left to wonder does the tribalism run that deep ? Why would a region like Tigray want to secede? What's the reward ?exce pt famine, hunger and suffering...what's in it for the leaders...? These are the questions I and most people outside ask ourselves.
If the leaders want to stay. They all know eventually they will have to answer for all of the crimes they committed. By succeeding they will be able to secure their future. In the other hand. Tplf has been spreading hate all over the country. Specially targeted at amharans. They devided the border of each region arbitrary and all regions claim some other region took their land. It's completely impossible for any region to succeed without a bloody war. I am 100% sure. Even if we don't like each other. Our best option is to stay together. At this point with all the lands that are in dispute. If we decide to succeed. We can see over 10- 20 different ethnic groups engaging in a war. The so called leaders have no other means to win elections. Even if they are popular in their region. The leading party will suppress their voice. As a last resort they see succeeding the only option to gain power . This is part of the reason but their major reasons are hate, and power. Honestly speaking. I have never seen any party running with an actual economic agenda and democratic goal. Their entire party is all about ethnic based politics and claiming they have been victims of some other region. It is easier to convince the people through ethnic politics rather than an actual economic and democratic ideas. I don't even believe they actually have any kind of socioeconomic agenda. They are just a bunch of morons. Their entire belief is based on we will be the heros that will save them and they will never care about other essential things like freedom ans economic growth.
That a very generic and wrong statement. I firmly want a strong and United Ethiopia. It’s the politicians who do the wrong stuff for their own personal interests. It’s a very complex issue for the people of Ethiopia to solve their own problems as the government systems are not supportive which was intentionally built this was so that.
Because thousands of years ago migrants from West Asia interbred with local much darker populations, the original East africans (that looked like modern Dinka and other peoples from South Sudan). Some of them got a lot more eurasian dna, others less, but ALL the populations in modern Ethiopia are a least a bit mixed with eurasians. I would say omotic peoples are less mixed than Amhara, for example. But that's why a lot of ethiopians, and other peoples in East Africa as well, look different from other africans. Other mixing like the nubians occurred much later than this but still got similar results
You guys look more middle eastern than European tho
So who are "we Ethiopians"? Ethiopians have different look within ourselves from light skinned to dark skinned. There are plenty Kenyans that look like some Ethiopians...plenty Sudanese that look like Ethiopians...plenty south Sudanese that look like Ethiopians...these are just from out neighbors. "We" are not different from any country that has diverse looks... I'm sure there are egotistical people all across the world that feel they look different from others and think they are an exception too.
>So who are "we Ethiopians"? Highland Ethiopians. >Ethiopians have different look within ourselves You're right. For example, there's a contrasting looks difference between lowland Ethiopians(afar, somalis, gambelas and southern omo people...) and Highland ones. >I'm sure there are egotistical people all across the world that feel they look different from others and think they are an exception too. Tbh I don't think that Looking different equates to good.
Afar and Somalis look way more like Highlanders than Gambella and Omo people imo. I could pass as a highlander and get mistaken for one every so often. But the reason is that highlanders have the same cushitic base as the rest of us in addition to south Arabian that migrated and took over the Agew. If you took an Afar and gave them like 10%-20% more south arabian you make a habesha.
>You're right. For example, there's a contrasting looks difference between lowland Ethiopians(afar, somalis, gamblers and southern omo people...) and Highland ones. Amhara, Tigray, Gurage, Silte etc are Semitic speaking, Highlanders, usually orthodox who have a general phenotype. Oromo, Somali, Afar, Sidamo, Hadiyya, Saho etc are Cushitic speaking, usually Muslim peoples who inhabit the flatland. They too have a general phenotype. The Omotic people are in a separate category both linguistically and in the way they look. Finally the Gambela people are closely related to the peoples of South Sudan. They are Nilotic and have a distinct phenotype as well. Lastly, in Ethiopia, especially the big cities, it is difficult to tell as there's a lot of mixture. So, unless you're in very specific areas, this is all futile.
😂😂sorry is "gamblers" a typo of gambelas?
Oops....it was a typo. autocorrect moment😅
there was a typo in my comment about your typo...this thread is cursd
>cursd This needs to be stopped lmao
I think most Gambella people are Anuak or they call themselves Anywaa
it’s actually Nuers have a plurality there especially with all the refugees from South Sudan.
you are right! tho the anuak are recognized as being indigenous to that land
I have all the answers… and since you specifically referred to Habeshas in one comment I will just refer to Habesha…according to what Ik of… you guys look different due to.. 1. Admixtures with some southern arabians. In ancient times you guys even conquered south arabia, some even traveled to mainland Abyssinia and interbred with some of the people, especially the Eritrean coast and Tigray, some if lucky enough went deeper into 🇪🇹 as far as Amhara zone. Habesha also means in Arabic language “mixed” or mixed black population of ETH/ERI. Also let me remind you that you also mixed with a lot of Cushitic/Omotic/Nilotic groups to restore your African blood, those painting of Habeshas with big eyes were how you guys use to look before you remixed with neighboring populations. 2. The climate in Ethiopia is far different than any other nation in Africa, we are the Himalayas of Africa aka “Roof of Africa” so the climate will definitely have an effect on your features like lighter skin due to less sunlight (applies to Amharas as Tigray is more hot and scorched) and the narrow features could be a result of natural selection/admixtures/environment. Some of you guys may have Yemenis admixtures so your skin may be lighter as well. Ethiopia is highly elevated so having certain features like high nose bridge & small lips protects your respiratory system from low oxygen levels. Because of this elevation of ground level it explains why Ethiopians (Oromos) like Kenyans ( Kalenjins) are good runners. 3. Most Ethiopian women as to the men are lightskin due to their mothers of great grandmothers being lightskin. The fathers will always be darker even if a shade or two. The more admixtured looking the women is, the more likely the women will be married (Amhara, Tigray, Harari). But in Gurage region it’s quite different and don’t have this practice as a lot are darkskin due to mixing with Oromos and Yemsa people (Original people of Gurage zone) but they are still Habeshas but with some non-Habesha genes. Hope this explains the phenotype of Habeshas… environment, admixtures, & preferences of certain physical characteristics to pass down to next generation is the reason.
I don't think gurages are darker than other habeshas,soddo gurages mix a lot with oromos(so does most amhara especially wollo) which are a small fraction of the population.Gurage cluster with other habeshas(Amhara,Tigray) and are even closer to afars(whose genetics very similar to habesha) genetically than to oromos.Gurage may even have more south arabian ancestry due to the fact that the difference between genetics of Ethiopians and Yemeni being significant except in the case of Gurage with a distance of .0115.For reference the distance of Amharans and Tigrayans is .0375 and .0320 respectively(the closer the number is to 0 the closer are the populations).All of this shows that gurages aren't less Habesha. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182106/ And Yemsa along with hadiya in addition to the territories they lived in today inhabited Jimma not the present fay Gurage Zone.
Ethiopia doesnt have less sunlight ,there quiet a few african countries with similar temperatures
Less sunlight as in not intense, we may have sun, but it’s not to the point it’s scorching hot and I need to stay in the shade, unless you live in Eastern or Tigray region. Ethiopias highlands has blessed 🇪🇹 wonderful shade, which is why people rarely get sunburned here.
Ok the reason countries like kenya, angola ,zimbabwe,lesotho ,camaroonian highlands and south africa and rwanda Have cool temperate temperatures is elevation ,the higher in the atmosphere you go the colder it gets thats why mount kilomanjaro has snow because at that height no heat is being retained in the atmosphere, Ethio
Yes it does come to Djibouti you'll be burnt crispy black
he literally have snow in some regions northern ethiopia is colder
Horn-Africans, in general, have 40-50% Middle-Eastern ancestry. Middle-Eastern ancestry arrived, unlike what most people think, in 2 waves. The first Middle-Eastern wave arrived around 11,500 years ago via Sinai into Horn Africa. These migrants were closely related to Modern-day North Africans (which is also the reason why Berber music and Horn-African music sound so similar). The latter wave, which was around 3,000 years ago, arrived from the Arabian peninsula. This wave is the reason why highlanders look ''different'' from other Horn-Africans. Now, you might want to know who the populations, before the Middle-Eastern migrations, were. Well, Horn Africa was mainly populated by Nilo-Saharan hunter-gatherers, who looked similar to the Modern-day South-Sudanese, since they belonged to the same group. These hunter-gatherers were also the source of our stereotypical ''lanky'' appearance, just like the South Sudanese, we have a very tall and slim appearance.
May I ask have you ever seen any Ethiopian Jews? Would you consider them tall and lanky or small? Tityish Aynaw is definitely taller than Shimon Peres in the photo of her with him, but she is a supermodel. I am honestly lurking because I am curious about how Ethiopian women style themselves: I am short, overweight and white. So I know how to dress myself but not women who look completely different.
3 waves are known now. Somalis have ancestry from 1 in them, Oromos and Afar typically have ancestry from 2, and Amhara, Tigray, and Agew typically have all 3. Of course there's wiggle room.
which oromo are you talking about? there is borena and barentu. barentu oromos have more mix than borena oromo. borena oromos are the borenas and the wollegas, the barentu oromos are shewa, arsi, harar, etc.. if you study the genetic makeup of borena oromos it only around 15% of middle east ancestary compared to the habeshas who have 50to60%, the barentu oromos and the wollaitas who have 30 to 40% and the somalis who have 40% middle east ancestary.
Do you have any links about the 40-50% Middle Eastern ancestry thing I could read? I’m really curious!
I'm pretty sure they meant general eurasian
it's here but I don't believe it https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3932865/
It’s sad you can’t even ask a question. I tell my children don’t ever ever ask a person that is black a question about their culture history etc. you might offend just by being curios wanting to learn. At least this is what is like in the US. I’m Latina and love when people ask me questions about my culture country etc. I use it as a teaching moment for people that actually answer the question. Thank You. I know very little about Africa and it was nice to learn.
No problem Dear! Hehe glad someone appreciated my curiosity.
>I tell my children don’t ever ever ask a person that is black a question about their culture history etc. you might offend just by being curios wanting to learn I know your comment is a year old, but I've found things to be the complete opposite. People of all colors, including black, love to tell you about their culture. Don't restrict your children from gaining knowledge about other cultures because of fear.
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Kinda cringey how some people always have to randomly compare ourselves to Europeans? The admixture is likely some Arab, but some folks stay reaching to geographically skip over that area and bring Europe into the picture for some bizarre reason. I can't help but think some cringey secret desire is seeping out whenever someone brings that continent into our comparison.
Our tribe in Rwanda look like you so you are not that different also tribes related to us look same (umuhima, tutsi, mulenge, umuha)
They look Horn Africans for Rwandans .They're also genetically different with 0 Natufian ancestry(45-55% in horners maybe less in somalis) and 0 Zagrosian ancestry(3-8% in horners) and very little North african ancestry with less than 3% in habeshas and up to 10% in somalis.Tutsi and cushitic people are very different they look cushitic for a bantu but still are very different.
Yea but question of post is why we look so is based on look and we still have same look. Thanks
My response was for your comment not for the post.And like I said you look cushitic for Rwandans you're not cushitic.Ethiopians are very different in genotype to tutsi too.
So anyway I can say the same question as post. Why do we look different than other? Did you know Somali people have history of tutsi?
1.What is "we".If you mean tutsi from other bantu then its because you carry more east african hunter gatherer ancestry similar to the one cushites have.That doesnt make you similar since you lack a whole lot of other ancestries.Tusti are still cluster with other bantu like Hutu and Kikuyu. 2.Oral traditions aren't reliable,genetics is.
1.Yes but genetics do not explain origin. Tutsi have mixed, through time, with bantu all around the are so there dna will show that; does not mean it is their origin- neither does it explain their origin. 2. We carry more easy African hunter ancestry which begs the question, from where and whom. This is best answered with oral tradition, as Africans we have never doubted it's validity.
1.Yes genetics explains origin 2.You're bantu with relatively more ethiopic ancestry from other bantu. 2.Cushitic people(including ethio-semites) aside from east african hunter gatherer(the one we share)have Natufians ancestry(35-55%),Zagrosian ancestry(3-8%),North African farmer(under 3%in habeshas and 5-9% in somalis),Tusti carry almost 0% of these ancestries. They speak afroasiatic languages,predominantly carry hapogroup E1b1b(only 3 percent of tutsi carry this haplogroup).
In Somali oral traditions they also say somali come from arabs.But it's proven that somali have under 7% arabian ancestry.Oral traditions are very unreliable.
And genetics do not tell the full story...
Where did your natufian ancestry go?Where is it?
Some cushitic people were assimilated by you and that's it.Your east african ancestry is more nilotic than cushitic.Your brothers are Hutus not somalis.
Check you dms I'll send you genetic distance of populations of the horn to populations outside the horn of africa.
You're saying "we".The post refers to Ethiopians.
I believe we share similar lineage
I just explained to you how we don't,tutsi are just bantu admixed with some south cushitic.Do some research.
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Why are you being toxic? If you can give constructive criticism go ahead I would appreciate it. But saying "go f*ck yourself" wouldn't help this discussion imo.
The downvotes are either from no-Ethiopian lurkers or this sub is run by Ethiopians. There are no other reasons why this is a controversial post.
Ethiopians look African but generally just lighter very similar facial features to Sudan
It's lighter(still light to dark brown) with very different facial features.
Not very different just lighter skin
Most of the time what differentiates Ethiopians from other african groups for instance west africans is facial feature rather than skin colour.
Yes to an extend but I’d say clothing and hair style etc play a big part too. But I think Ethiopians and north Sudanese look the most alike in Africa in terms of facial features.
Not just to an extent come on now.Clothing and hairstyle aren't under the umbrella of phenotype.Sure north sudanese and Ethiopians look alike but not the most alike,for Ethiopia it would be eritrea,I'm Ethiopian and can't the difference.
Other than Eritrea, we are from a different lineage than the rest of Africa
In addition Djibouti,Somalia,Cushitic and cushitic admixed population in kenya and Tanzania too
Not really lol
This is a pretty good question I'd like to know the answer to...if only people weren't trying to find ways to get offended in the comment section...tag me if someone actually answers the question
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The deserts in the south prevented large-scale interaction between the horn and the rest of East Africa. Ethiopians are for the most part a mix of natives, and Eurasian people who migrated before the invention of agriculture (and hence before the skin-lightening genes common in Europe and Middle-East) The rest of East Africa is mostly a mix of natives, West African farmers, and later Nilotic herders.
I'm sorry, but why do we always have to compare ourselves to Europeans? The admixture is likely some Arab genes, but way stay reaching to geographically skip over that and bring Europe into the picture for some bizarre reason. I can't help but think some cringey secret desire is seeping out whenever someone brings that continent into our comparison.
I can't give you an exact historical or even biological reason, but I can tell you from familial experience that Ethiopian looks vary a LOT. Even in one family with one parental unit, there will be lightest of light and darkest of dark, with different facial structures, heights, etc. Even different shades of eye colors at times.... Not to mention if kids are born mixed with other ethnic backgrounds, they take strongly after those phenotypes, rather than the stereotypic Ethiopian look. It's odd, but I think there must be a lot of phenotypic diversity within Ethiopian genes, and that allows for flexibility within look. If you go to Southern Ethiopia (like the Gambela region) they look very dark and more like the Sudanese people. If you move to Northern Ethiopia, they look lighter and more like Middle Eastern people. I think the one thing that makes us all look the same is our eyes and brow region...that's the only way I can pick a habesha out of the crowd, like instantly lol
You guys aré mixed with arabs, in other words not fully Black.
*Natufians. And Natufians weren’t Arab.
Natufians had negroid phenotype and E1b1b linage. Idk how Eurasian we can call them either
the first eurasians were darker and so were natufian.Arabians carry the most natufian around 70% and they look nothing like "negroid".Natufian is 50%basal eurasian and 50%.Natufian is Eurasian it's an undisputed fact.And you can't tell about a persons ancestry from a marker like E1B1B which could come from .0000000001% of a persons ancestry besides most people that carry E1b1b are predominantly west eurasian.Famous figures like Hitler,Einstein,Napoleon carry e1b1b would they also be "negroid" or European descent.
How sure are u that others didn't mix ? What Makes people fully black? Do black Americans qualify for black cause many of them have some European or native American gene?
Fully black is 100% black Americans are not Fully black for the most part
this is my biggest guess
It's because of their Western Eurasian ancestry, or 'Caucasian ' ancestry, with Caucasian being an outdated term for the most part. In fact, someone r/illustrativeDNA discovered that Northern Ethiopians/Eritreans plot closer to European groups than they do to Yoruba people such as myself. This is why I find that being in the same race as Horn Africans, doesn't really make any sense to me at all, and that is especially the case for Aboriginal Australians. Being black is most definitely just a social status thing.