Glad to hear him say something about it. I knew the NCR was still around but believed they pulled out of the Shady Sands/LA area and consolidated their forces North at the Hub and the northern states.
I've got a big feeling that the NCR will have a major role in season two.
He could be the Vault-Tec CEO. They showed a shadowy figure watching over the big meeting, and it was right after she gave the "war never changes" line.
This would be great, as it would make him the ultimate villain of the entire franchise!
I'm torn on whether they're actually going to reveal the CEO or not, because we've never gotten a name or anything in 30 years.
That would be a good role for him, though.
In season 2, the CEO will be played by Todd Howard himself, and he'll look directly into the camera and say "New Vegas is no longer canon.", then press a button labeled 'Erase Obsidian' with live-action footage of Obsidian's HQ being nuked in real life.
But they all survive, because the executable on the main entrance door software (developed by them ) failed to launch so they couldn't get in and had to go work from home that day.
On a patch for the door.
And Matt Berry. And Chris Parnell.
Plus, I hate to say it, but we may be overestimating Ron Perlman's star power a bit. It's not like he's in a ton of big name movies these days. Biggest one I saw on the list was a Transformer's movie that I didn't even know came out.
Love Ron Perlman but he's not a super expensive A-lister actor lol I mean the original Fallout got him and they admit they had a modest budget of just $3 million. The Fallout show was $153 million in comparsion.
There was a project that Ron said he would have liked to have worked recently (not Fallout) but they couldn't meet his price.
Maybe the budget was just too much to get him for the first season? Gotta remember they burned through roughly $150 Million for this project, which is ALOT for a first season with as risky a background as a video game adaptation.
Hopefully they find him a role in later seasons now that the series has proven itself.
I feel like Hanlon would be dead he was already old in New Vegas and now 15 years later he'd be at least mid 80s by the time of the show
President Hsu however
Kimble's picture (directly from the game) actually shows up in the show, during that ritual in Vault 4, when they're "remembering the dead". So he's officially gone.
Someone else said this was probably done because before Shandy Sands was too close to the Mojave and it wouldn't make sense that it took time and effort for the tip to New Vegas. Bring further in California makes the NCR's effort in New Vegas more dumb because of the new distance and lines up with NCR leadership just making the worst decisions possible.
I think LA might actually be closer to Vegas than Mt. Whitney. Maybe, depends on if there were any closer passes through the, what is it, the Sierra Nevadas? I haven't studied geography in a while, but I do know Vegas is within driving distance of LA.
Yeah. On the one hand, I recall the city of Ashton being fairly close to Mt. Whitney when I thought to check an actual map. Like, close enough that you should be able to see it in the distance from the Divide's entrance. On the other hand I've been given the impression the place was seen as pretty impassable, even before the bombs, until the Courier discovered a route through it.
You could argue it’s not entirely a retcon because the games use geography is pretty whacky ways sometimes. Most cities are way too close together because it’s just a video game. The scales aren’t really accurate in either medium.
I always assumed Boneyard was Downtown LA. It's name evoking the frames of ruined skycrapers with the remnants clinging on like flesh to bone.
So Filly is around Santa Monica and Adytum being South LA would make everything mesh.
I could see Shady Sands being in one of the cities that comprise metro LA.
"He also confirmed that "The Fall of Shady Sands" could be referring to an event other than a nuke being dropped on it"
and the billboard say "the first capital of the NCR". something happen to original shady sands and they move it to boneyard.
what you see in the show is just replica/ copy of original city in boneyard.
Hanlon and others spoke of the boneyard being a very very large powerhouse where "funds were tied up" that quote comes directly from chief Hanlon's mouth and that troopers are being sent on essentially suicide missions in Baja to chase ghosts. NCR could have very well been moved at some point and if it was i hope they bring that up in season 2 on why Kimball if he wasn't shot made that decision.
> Troopers are being sent on suicide missions in Baja to chase ghosts
I think you're misinterpreting that line. The Rangers aren't being sent on suicide missions to fight some massive threat. The saying "chasing ghosts" means you're going after something that doesn't exist. Hanlon was saying the Rangers were being wasted because they're being sent down to Baja to fight something that's ***not*** a threat, or to keep colonies safe, something way below their pay grade.
Huh. Completely missed that part. Was a little too occupied with repressing basically everything else. Guess we can assume either he died or the NCR won Vegas if people are venerating him.
Yeah, I really don't know why they didn't just use Adytum instead. We don't even learn much about Adytum in New Vegas, aside from the Followers having a university there. They were one of the founding states of the NCR, not to mention apparently one of the only halfway civilized places in the Boneyard, so they'd still be a big deal.
I just dislike it since I think "The Boneyard" and "Angels' Boneyard" are sick names, and the visual metaphor of the steel husks of buildings being the literal "bones" sticking out of the ruined corpse of this old-world city was fun IMO.
President Kimball was from the Hub originally so it’s not a stretch that he’d ask for the government to be moved there if Shady Sands was ever in a threatened position.
I feel like the Hub represents all the NCR's corruption and if Kimball tried to move the capitol from Shady Sands which was the place that represented the legacy of Tandi and Aradesh and the NCR's democracy as a whole he'd probably face serious pushback which could create for some good storytelling
Given where Lucy and The Ghoul are heading, it'd be pretty logical to stop at Necropolis on the way there, or even another NCR settlement along the way.
I still don't understand this shady sands placement. If the games are canon than either the boneyard is nuked or shady sands, they're two different cities. Like, that's a far bigger discrepancy than the chalkboard, which everyone knew was an easy fix.
I think there’s been a reason why throughout Season 1 it’s all “Shady Sands this, Shady Sands that.” At no point does anyone ever directly say “The NCR was destroyed,” they just say “Shady Sands was destroyed.” The closest we come to it is Maximus saying “It didn’t work out” and even then he may have been talking more about Shady Sands, given that he’s from there. Definitely feels like they’ve been intentionally ambiguous about the fate of the NCR and between the main theme dropping when Lucy sees the flag for the first time, and that we essentially know for a fact that it’s still out there, it feels like they’re building up to something big and I think the NCR is gonna make one hell of an entrance in Season 2.
It’s really frustrating to me why the show seems to actively dislikes providing context for the wasteland.
Like, when Lucy asked Maximus about what’s being going on in the wasteland after the bombs fell, he somehow completely failed to comprehend that someone who’d been in a vault her whole life would be talking about the Great War, and then the issue is just dropped and never returned to.
Maybe the showrunners didn’t want to bog down people new to Fallout with excess exposition but I really felt it needed it at multiple times. The lack of info around state of the BoS, Lucy not just asking about level 12, the cult around Moldaver and why she’s apparently so well known, etc.
Im not super versed in the history but I thought the ncr wiped out the legion at the hoover dam, why would people think they're wiped out?? Isn't that the canon way it happens?
The ending has been left ambiguous in cannon because of the multiple ways NV can end as far as I know.
The NCR ending, followed pretty closely by the House ending, are both considered by far to be the most popular endings though, so that might change considering the season finale of the show.
You can’t ’wipe out’ the legion in the same way that the ncr can’t be wiped out. What I see happening is the legion retreated the 2nd battle, from Lanius’ orders, he goes east. Does a bit of trolling, then comes back to the dam and Vegas (season 2) intent on delivering that promise to the courier
New Vegas is rife with snippets that talk about NCR issues, breakdowns, decay, etc. It’s not about the various settlements being wiped from the map by a hostile force, it’s more about the collapse of a framework that bound it all together.
Thank Todd we can finally put this to rest so people will chill out and we can theorize in peace without it being a constant brouhaha about retcon this and retcon that and Bethesda hates Obsidian
At what point do these people just move on. I can't imagine being so miserable in my normal life to stay part of a community I don't even like anymore 🫠
It’s called being part of a hivemind. These groups are a minority and the only way to be heard is by screaming the loudest. Luckily most New Vegas fans are more rational.
I watched the show with my best mate who is an incredibly big New Vegas fan vs bethesda. However, he even noticed that the show seems to include most references and styles to New Vegas (the original three fallouts to be precise) rather than Bethesda’s fallouts.
Yeah, they had easter eggs from all of the games but we are definitely in NV territory. I think that was their whole idea, anyway. We've had enough of the East coast since 3 so it's time we go back to the roots and see what that world looks like.
People were complaining about the logistics of getting from place to place and jumping back and forth between locations. Clearly there were liberties taken for the sake of pacing but I couldn't give any less of a fuck.
Even in Tim Cain’s videos, the actual creator of Fallout, he talks about how much he likes the show and so called Fallout fans are calling him a shill and saying he’s being paid by Bethesda, and arguing that it destroyed his creation 💀
I'm sure their reaction would include something about Todd's alleged lies.
Or they will completely ignore this and will keep singing their tune... Just like they did when Tim Cain called them out.
>Bethesda hates Obsidian
This fabulation will never die. We have been refuting it for decade and yet it keeps being brought up anytime New Vegas gets mentioned.
Some people simply cannot let go and accept that them liking a game doesn't automatically mean that the game should be more popular... and that the only reason why it isn't the most popular game in the franchise is some kind of sabotage on part of Bethesda.
I had someone tell me recently that "Bethesda has always shit on and ignored New Vegas even before the show" and for the life of me I dont know what the fuck they even mean.
Well you see new vegas had no impact on the east coast, you know the one that 3 stated took years for the brotherhood to reach but nvm that its Bethesda so does not matter, so therfore they ignored the legion. Also 76 which took place almost directly after the great war has no mention of the ncr or shady sands! Imagine the gale of not including a place that happen almost one hundred years later!
People who spend their time on online forums about TV shows just really like to whine.
That, and complaint posts get the most attention and rise to the top of this toilet.
We got an amazing show and there are still people who were so ruined by social media brain rot that they had to pick apart a 5 second clip from an 8 hour show.
That's what I thought. Sure Shady Sands is gone but the NCR controls a large area so they probably have much more of a presence elsewhere. Hopefully we see that in S2
Lmao likely, yes, but hopefully the shows popularity helps push for more staff/work towards putting a quality game out sooner than that
Either way any fallout content is welcomed and I really can’t wait for more of this show!
sounds good to me, a spinoff anthology show would be fun too... give other writers a chance to play in that sandbox with self-contained stories in various styles including animation
Yeah, it’s pretty stupid to assume they’re done just cuz Shady Sands got nuked. If Washington DC got nuked, the US government across the whole nation doesn’t suddenly evaporate.
I figured. There’s no way such a large faction lore wise would be written off so easily. I mean even in a practical sense even if they lost in FNV. They’re still a gigantic republic.
Yeah I can totally believe that after exhausting themselves at the Hoover Dam and having one of their largest cities nuked the NCR would retreat from certain regions to consolidate and reassess the situation. I’m not an expert but I believe in New Vegas it was basically stated that the NCR got too big too fast and was suffering a logistical nightmare and runaway corruption. The nuking of Shady Sands was probably the last straw that forced the NCR to cede territory in order to do some internal reconstruction.
I’m more bewildered that people don’t have the media literacy skills to understand why an eight episode first season of a television show doesn’t exhaustively explain in detail every bit of its plot and lore. It’s one season of a show and not a particularly long season at that some things are just set up for future stories, that’s how TV works. If what’s going on with the NCR isn’t important until a later season it doesn’t need spelled out for you in season one. That’s a hook to stay invested and keep watching to see how the story plays out.
People being surprised about that makes no sense.
that region was subjected the Masters army, they had a real government and military rise up and take control of course they would wipe out all super mutants lol
There is actually a super mutant in the show, in episode 1 in the enclave. You can only see a big green hand, since the body is on a gurney being taken into a room. Granted it's only visible for 1 or 2 seconds but it's there.
And also the shit Thaddeus was injected with to heal his foot has to be FEV of some kind. We’ve seen stimpacks heal internal injuries but I do t think they can cause bones re-knit and grow back.
He may not turn into a full super mutant, but he’s definitely gonna be more than just a ghoul. Maybe a centaur or something.
I’m sorry, but if the show doesn’t spend 4 hours each episode having the characters dump lore to the point that includes the serial numbers of the Mr Handy’s, then what is even the point of watching? /s
Well said. Combine that with the goal of the show being to bring new people into the series rather than prioritize fan service and you get what we got (Which was an amazing show)
The show has done a pretty good job of showing not telling, and I'd rather just be shown it because I find that a lot more immersive than just being told it.
But then people would still be upset that they did that too because it would be a simple line that ruins any compelling story telling- I truly think it's better to have felt like your favorite thing was taken from you, to have that feeling of "...aw man." To then get fired back up when you see them rise from ashes, to have someone to root for, or have something to bring back hope. There's no fun to be had with mystery if they tell you everything about everything as soon as it's mentioned.
Also we see Vegas in the distance and you can barely make it out. Everyone assumes this means (and the end credits) that it's wiped out. Just because the show doesn't have a set built
You can see Vegas just fine in that final shot, and the lights are clearly out. On top of that, the credits show the strip torn apart by war, with dead securitrons and destroyed ncr vertibirds littering the street.
I’m not sure why people keep trying to act like this is some ambiguous thing. We’re literally shown the current state of Vegas.
The credits don't necessarily mean the current state of a location.
The credits of episode 7(I think?) is a destroyed version of the observatory...which is obviously fine until the last episode.
So the credits in ep 8 could be from the past, or could also be blatant foreshadowing for a major battle in new vegas during season 2.
It's surprising that not many people are pointing this as imo.
And even with this point, the show had SO MUCH LORE. It blew me away, at best I didn't think they were going to touch on even half of what they did. I thought so much was going to be "teased" and just alluded to, but nope, we got so much.
I’m glad Todd has come out and clarified this, especially the implications that NCR has survived. The show definitely gave mixed messages and left the fate of NCR as rather uncertain to say the least. It would have been jumping to conclusions either way, at least it is more clear now.
I'm more than willing to accept that it wasn't any kind of retcon or anything like that.
I still think it was a weird timeline putting a year on something vague like "the fall of shady sands" and not putting one on something as definitive as a nuke dropping.
Agreed, it’s a weird way to make a timeline to not include a year for the nuke but for me it was crystal clear it happened at some point after the fall
Yeah for sure, although "the fall of shady sands" is pretty ambiguous too.
Either way though, now we have definitive knowledge that it's not a retcon one way or another.
The Fall happens in the same year when Hank went to Shady Sands to get Lucy (and Norm?) back from Rose.
Either it’s a coincidence or Hank straight up invaded Shady Sands. And the question becomes…him and what army? Because he sure as hell didn’t do that with a handful of pre-war managers from Vault 31.
I think this may not be directly addressed, but I think Vault-Tec will pull out a doomsday device or automaton army of some kind in this show, and that would be what Hank used.
Alternatively they do dig into this part, and he made a deal with an existing faction or something. Maybe he gave away Cold Fusion research in exchange for the Enclave’s help? That seems entirely too neat…
It’s just a not-very-well-done piece of storytelling in an otherwise great show. Sucks that it led to uhh… the giant ruckus here and elsewhere but at least now we know the NCR wasn’t fridged off-screen, just wounded.
Still doesn’t QUITE explain a few plot points that seem off if the NCR is still around but… fine, whatever.
I’m more curious what this version of the BOS is, because the west coast brotherhood was basically on its last legs as of New Vegas while the East Coast Brotherhood is thriving. Seeing that the airship WAS the Prydwen, we can only assume that there’s a larger, farther reaching BOS stretching across America.
Plus, there was that library card from the end of episode 5 which ended in November, 2276. Look, none of the evidence was definitive, but it all clearly pointed to the bombing happening in 2277, and that's kind of bad writing.
You know what makes it funnier? New Vegas itself says the NCR is going to face major issues that will set it back,like shortages of power and water,and a famine pitched for the 2290s. Not counting the fact they are over extended and the war with the lost hills brotherhood was still going on in a guerrilla type of conflict(which prior the events of the game caused their economy to tank as their gold reserves got destroyed/stolen). The game says so many bad things the NCR is going trough,it was obvious it was going to decline.
What I would like to see:
Focus on New Vegas, but also show how some of the surrounding locales and how they may have developed over the course of 15 years.
Mr. House was one of the NCR's most valuable allies, and on the flip side NCR represented an almost limitless source of income and resources to the Strip. Even in the ending where he kicks them out, he makes it clear that he wants the NCR to keep lending him patronage so he can continue expanding the strip from a tourist trap into a proper capitol city that can not only catch up to Pre-War levels of development, but surpass it.
If the NCR fell on hard times Mr. House is absolutely the type to extend a Faustian bargain to all of their remaining forces to further his position. They get to settle Nevada and rebuild their strength under the protection of his vast Securitron Army, and in exchange he can call in basically any favor he wants since they are on his turf.
There's a lot of potential for political intrigue and subterfuge, as the NCR would hardly be content to sit in his shadow forever, and Mr. House is surely anticipating potential conflict with both them and the Brotherhood of Steel, who may pursue the latter into the Mojave.
I think the idea of a NV-based NCR is an interesting one. I can see them doing a “NCR won the second battle of Hoover Dam and that saved them when Shady Sands got nuked.”
The thing is though that the NCR was over extended in Vegas, so if the "motherland" was so weak you can safely bet a territory way out in the nuclear boonies would suffer. That's even if they managed to hold the dam and strip.
I just want to hear Heartaches by the Number, Ain’t that a Kick in the Head, Blue Moon, and most importantly, Big Iron during an epic shootout.
For me the music and the location makes the games. I could give a shit which ending is canon, I myself picked different endings in different playthrough, it’s an agonising choice each time, and each ending choice can certainly blow up in your face some point down the line. So I wouldn’t mind being told it all went to shit at some point. That’s just the wasteland being the wasteland. I did the best I can, that’s what counts.
But give me the songs, give me Mr New Vegas, give me the neon signs, give me the atmosphere, and I’m back in New Vegas. That’s all I want.
Okay ideally I want reality to collapse around Lucy and then reboot itself again, to recreate an authentic player experience.
There we go. Absolutely nothing from New Vegas is decanonized or retconned. The only small nitpicks I have is the whole Shady Sands being the Boneyard thing and some of the lore implications regarding the three vaults in the show and why they were immune to the Master’s influence.
I can’t wait to see what happened after the events of New Vegas!
I could understand Master missing the Vaults by simply not knowing to look for them. He doesn't even know about 13 until he meets us.
Especially when "commanders" like Harry are send out.
The guy set up his lair literally right next door, you'd figure he'd send some scouts out in his backyard.
EDIT: But that's pedantic to be clear, I don't actually care about that personally.
Yep! I never could understand the whole “Todd hates new Vegas so he wiped it” mentality hahah but yea hopefully some of the lord implications you are referring to are somehow explained
I’m so pumped for season 2 and to see what is going on with New Vegas!!
Lore fans (like me) are really out here trying to make Bethesda Spoil every plot device of the future because they need all the awnsers immediately or todd killed every game ever and they're going to go cry. (Not me)
I'm seeing way more of the cult of bashing NV fans than the actual hate from NV fans tbf at this point. After the initial explosion things have calmed down since stuff was cleared up.
An outpost was destroyed
An outpost owned by a country the size of California, that’s nothing. Sure shady sands being destroyed probably was devastating BUT, not the end of the republic. Again, it’s the size of California
Also Godd Howard has clearly shown his desire for the NCR to be the best hope for humanity in that they represent the closest chance for civilization to rebuild again, whereas he’s portraying the BoS in the show for who they actually are which is a tech greedy organization that only cares for advancing their own organization and have little to no interest in helping the people of the wasteland recover. I feel that the next season, and maybe even Fallout 5, will have this predicament where we ultimately must choose who will control the west coast with the NCR being the good/best faction.
Yea they speak about the implications of BoS being like super badass but also you question your morales and how much you wanna push it to have their armor and weapons.
So I think that is evidence to us that really the BoS (especially West Coast chapter) isn’t really a good group to bring civilization back to what it once was. The NCR is doing the best of all factions we know of so far
I agree, we definitely will see the NCR next season and maybe even Fallout 5 as the faction of the people and best hope for humanity. I also believe that we might see a big change in the future of the BoS. In the show it’s hinted to Maximus being disappointed when finding out the Brotherhood doesn’t actually embody the values he always believed they had (think Lyon’s version of the BoS), I think that the show might be hinting to a major change in the BoS in either the next season or maybe even Fallout 5 where we’ll see Maximus or other BoS members drastically make a change in the BoS that will end up turning the BoS as a whole into an honorable and peacekeeping organization, similar to what the Lyon’s BoS DC chapter was.
I would really love to eventually see like a BoS civil war take place. I think Lyons BoS is the best form of them (obviously) and if all of BoS could fall in line with them and their ideology the whole world would benefit SO much!
I mean there are already the brotherhood outcasts that were more true to the West Coast ideology and broke from Lyons chapter, but I’d like a future game where there is a big in faction war as well with dealing with the other factions in the area
I think that would be a pretty cool premise, something like a revolution in the West Coast BoS that evolves them into a Lyon’s style of BoS that seeks to actually protect and rebuild the commonwealth. I would love to see that BoS caught in a civil war with the East Coast BoS that is more traditional and refusing to evolve. I would also be interested to see the relationship between this new evolved west coast BoS and the NCR, they both would have similar ethos and seek similar interests to rebuild society, so I wonder if they could eventually become allies, maybe even team up to fight Enclave and Legion remnants, or maybe even East Coast BoS
I think that would be a pretty cool premise, something like a revolution in the West Coast BoS that evolves them into a Lyon’s style of BoS that seeks to actually protect and rebuild the commonwealth. I would love to see that BoS caught in a civil war with the East Coast BoS that is more traditional and refusing to evolve. I would also be interested to see the relationship between this new evolved west coast BoS and the NCR, they both would have similar ethos and seek similar interests to rebuild society, so I wonder if they could eventually become allies, maybe even team up to fight Enclave and Legion remnants, or maybe even East Coast BoS
Edit: also completely forgot that the show is setting up Vault Tec as a big bad faction that will inevitably make a return, so maybe the NCR and West Coast BoS team up to take them on, the whole enemy of my enemy trope.
I’m glad too, I’ve always thought the BoS was the coolest faction, but aside from Lyon’s BoS chapter, they’re only slighting better than the Enclave. It’s always been apparent to me at least that the NCR is the best option for rebuilding civilization, and I’m glad to see Godd Howard and Bethesda acknowledging that their beloved BoS may not be the best option for humanity
The problem is the ncr feels really under represented as a faction in the show they'd need to extend the run time or cut some chaff from the show to show the audience the ncr or it's remnants as opposed to holding the fact that moldaver is ncr till the very end
Under represented as of now, but I think that we are going to be seeing a lot of them next season. I think with having to build three characters storylines (one of them being BoS) it would have been just a lot to cram into the already limited number of episodes they gave us. I agree i want more NCR for sure but I see it coming soon!
That last bit is gold. It really irks me that people are just blatantly bad mouthing the company because they themselves are too stupid to realise something. Really gives you some insight into how intelligent some of these people are, I’ve had people tell me I have zero media literally over this. It should not take the current head of fallout telling them this shot for it to get through their thick skulls.
Did people not pay attention to the dialogue in New Vegas?
Seems everyone is only quoting what Kimball says, instead of the characters pointing out that he's wrong. NCR rangers especially.
The way they treated the NCR in the show leads me to believe that they're going to be far more pure now, and it makes sense the NCR now has something to fight for they aren't fighting for far away lands as a part of an imperialistic ploy by corrupt businessmen they're fighting for the land, the republic, and the future.
I think we'll see a Brotherhood v NCR showdown at some point in the show especially seeing as the Brotherhood is not portrayed as heroic in the show, this isn't Elder Lyons Arthurian Knights this is a crazed techno religious military cult.
I'd also love if there was some sort of conflict between the Mojave Brotherhood and the LA Brotherhood seeing as the Mojave Chapter is much more "progressive" (which funnily enough actually makes them more conservative in some ways) and isolationist.
It's sad this had to be sad.
In fact, I bet the secondary plot in season 2---besides from New Vegas---will be the NCR trying to retake LA from the BOS after the power was turned back on, inflaming the Brotherhood War and we'll either see the conclusion in a season 3 or hear about it in a later game.
This is maybe me being pedantic but I'm not a big fan of this line ", the NCR is a wide-ranging sort of organization and group across not just California, but other places. ". It strikes me as odd, as if he views it like a guild or faction in one of the games. Like the Brotherhood, for example. But the NCR is not that and I think that's one of the issues more reasonable folks have, the NCR was not a faction building in a city, it was a State, a country.
I'm baffled and shocked that some people even needed an explanation. We were very explicitly given a timeline of events and the current year the show takes place in. Are people really so brain dead that they are incapable of googling when NV takes places in the context of the show before crying tears of "rEtCoN!!"...
I think The NCR is just going through another hard time, like most nations. Remember, The NCR isn't 'the good guys' it forces places to join The NCR, like Vault City. The point is about is the NCR just making the same mistakes as the US, Caesar was, 'poking the bear' and trying an alternative model. People still believe in The NCR as an ideal, and people believe The Enclave, and The BOS or America too.
Ultimately, as IP owners, Bethesda and its licensees can do whatever they like with The NCR. They don't need anyone's permission to hold The West Coasts in some kind of cryosleep.
Should we be forced to sing lullabies every day to the histrionic people crying about The NCR? I mean, they're fine with The Enclave being destroyed, even if it's someone else's favourite faction, but wet themselves if The NCR go? Have the balls to destroy these places, and tell a new story.
Exactly. Nations collapse and join other ones. It’s a wasteland for a reason not a utopia. There’s clearly a bigger reason 200 years later the United States has ceased to exist and collapsed into factions and settlements.
Glad to hear him say something about it. I knew the NCR was still around but believed they pulled out of the Shady Sands/LA area and consolidated their forces North at the Hub and the northern states. I've got a big feeling that the NCR will have a major role in season two.
A nice touch would be Ron Pearlman as the active president
I'd really like to know why he wasn't in the show in some fashion. I can't imagine nobody thought about it.
He could be the Vault-Tec CEO. They showed a shadowy figure watching over the big meeting, and it was right after she gave the "war never changes" line. This would be great, as it would make him the ultimate villain of the entire franchise!
I'm torn on whether they're actually going to reveal the CEO or not, because we've never gotten a name or anything in 30 years. That would be a good role for him, though.
In season 2, the CEO will be played by Todd Howard himself, and he'll look directly into the camera and say "New Vegas is no longer canon.", then press a button labeled 'Erase Obsidian' with live-action footage of Obsidian's HQ being nuked in real life.
But they all survive, because the executable on the main entrance door software (developed by them ) failed to launch so they couldn't get in and had to go work from home that day. On a patch for the door.
The irony of Microsoft nuking itself.
Just as he pushes the button he bellows ‘IT JUST WORKS’ then breaks into a Dr Evil style maniacal laughter
IT JUST WORKS. Flight of the bumblebees kicks in. Recreation of the low karma REPCONN ending in New Vegas. Todd skedaddles.
Nuke doesn't go off, launch is delayed 3 months
Nuke attempts to launch but clips into the wall and T-poses before crashing entirely.
"WHO'S LAUGHING NOW!"
I thought of the shadowy figure as a member / leader of The Enclave.
That would be really fun!
He might be too expensive to be honest
Amazon money? No he isn't
They spent it all on Rings of Power.
Well here's hoping they make the smart decision, cancel it and redirect funds
Too late lol. Most of the money was spent on just acquiring the rights from the Tolkien Estate.
Didn't even give them the full rights lol
they got Walton Goggins though. Maybe it's too expensive for the both of them.
And Matt Berry. And Chris Parnell. Plus, I hate to say it, but we may be overestimating Ron Perlman's star power a bit. It's not like he's in a ton of big name movies these days. Biggest one I saw on the list was a Transformer's movie that I didn't even know came out.
Dude he was in the monster hunter movie, he's not exactly turning down roles
Love Ron Perlman but he's not a super expensive A-lister actor lol I mean the original Fallout got him and they admit they had a modest budget of just $3 million. The Fallout show was $153 million in comparsion.
There was a project that Ron said he would have liked to have worked recently (not Fallout) but they couldn't meet his price. Maybe the budget was just too much to get him for the first season? Gotta remember they burned through roughly $150 Million for this project, which is ALOT for a first season with as risky a background as a video game adaptation. Hopefully they find him a role in later seasons now that the series has proven itself.
Considering how much amazon spent on rings of power, that's pocket change
boy what a difference hiring showrunners who have made TV shows before makes
Not to mention *they* pitched it
Had to be an oversight
Scheduling conflicts most likely. Seems he appears in every third show, movie or game I watch
That would be perfect, but I’ll settle for literally anyone not named Aaron Kimble or Lee Oliver. Those guys are idiots.
At that point they would have easily been sacked. President Hannon on the other hand...
I'd love Chief Hanlon to appear. Kris Kristofferson should reprise his role too, with some makeup to de-age him, of course.
Well that may be difficult.
I feel like Hanlon would be dead he was already old in New Vegas and now 15 years later he'd be at least mid 80s by the time of the show President Hsu however
Pretty sure Oliver didn't survive being thrown off Hoover Dam.
Kimble's picture (directly from the game) actually shows up in the show, during that ritual in Vault 4, when they're "remembering the dead". So he's officially gone.
I mean Moldaver’s picture was also up there but that might just be because she’s the flame mother.
Would love to see Colonel Moore and Colonel Hsu again, hopefully at least one of the two are generals by this time
If he doesn’t make an on screen appearance at some point I’ll be so disappointed
Shady sands isnt in LA. Its in the north.
Yeah looks like they swapped positions with The Boneyard. Honestly not the worst retcon since we havent heard or seen shady sands since 2
Someone else said this was probably done because before Shandy Sands was too close to the Mojave and it wouldn't make sense that it took time and effort for the tip to New Vegas. Bring further in California makes the NCR's effort in New Vegas more dumb because of the new distance and lines up with NCR leadership just making the worst decisions possible.
I think LA might actually be closer to Vegas than Mt. Whitney. Maybe, depends on if there were any closer passes through the, what is it, the Sierra Nevadas? I haven't studied geography in a while, but I do know Vegas is within driving distance of LA.
There was a closer pass to New Vegas called the Divide, but it was destroyed before the events of the game. It’s the setting of the Lonesome Road dlc.
Yeah. On the one hand, I recall the city of Ashton being fairly close to Mt. Whitney when I thought to check an actual map. Like, close enough that you should be able to see it in the distance from the Divide's entrance. On the other hand I've been given the impression the place was seen as pretty impassable, even before the bombs, until the Courier discovered a route through it.
You could argue it’s not entirely a retcon because the games use geography is pretty whacky ways sometimes. Most cities are way too close together because it’s just a video game. The scales aren’t really accurate in either medium.
Also LA is crazy huge. It’s not too crazy to say the boneyard and shady sands are just in different parts of LA.
I always assumed Boneyard was Downtown LA. It's name evoking the frames of ruined skycrapers with the remnants clinging on like flesh to bone. So Filly is around Santa Monica and Adytum being South LA would make everything mesh. I could see Shady Sands being in one of the cities that comprise metro LA.
It’s mentioned on the radio in FO3
"He also confirmed that "The Fall of Shady Sands" could be referring to an event other than a nuke being dropped on it" and the billboard say "the first capital of the NCR". something happen to original shady sands and they move it to boneyard. what you see in the show is just replica/ copy of original city in boneyard.
Hanlon and others spoke of the boneyard being a very very large powerhouse where "funds were tied up" that quote comes directly from chief Hanlon's mouth and that troopers are being sent on essentially suicide missions in Baja to chase ghosts. NCR could have very well been moved at some point and if it was i hope they bring that up in season 2 on why Kimball if he wasn't shot made that decision.
> Troopers are being sent on suicide missions in Baja to chase ghosts I think you're misinterpreting that line. The Rangers aren't being sent on suicide missions to fight some massive threat. The saying "chasing ghosts" means you're going after something that doesn't exist. Hanlon was saying the Rangers were being wasted because they're being sent down to Baja to fight something that's ***not*** a threat, or to keep colonies safe, something way below their pay grade.
thank you for explaining and not trying to start an argument. i was only quoting what Hanlon was saying.
You can actually see a picture of Kimball on the Shrine in Vault 4 it's the top half of his game model lol.
i missed that lol i was so focused on the story i didnt pay much attention to anything else.
Huh. Completely missed that part. Was a little too occupied with repressing basically everything else. Guess we can assume either he died or the NCR won Vegas if people are venerating him.
Yeah, I really don't know why they didn't just use Adytum instead. We don't even learn much about Adytum in New Vegas, aside from the Followers having a university there. They were one of the founding states of the NCR, not to mention apparently one of the only halfway civilized places in the Boneyard, so they'd still be a big deal.
I just dislike it since I think "The Boneyard" and "Angels' Boneyard" are sick names, and the visual metaphor of the steel husks of buildings being the literal "bones" sticking out of the ruined corpse of this old-world city was fun IMO.
Complete agreement. Huge Storyteller fan, and I love the part where he melodramatically called it, "the graveyard of 4 million dead angels."
Yeah exactly. Idk LA is more recognisable i guess?
All the more reason to use Adytum. Except for the fact that Shady Sands is also probably more recognizable to the fans.
President Kimball was from the Hub originally so it’s not a stretch that he’d ask for the government to be moved there if Shady Sands was ever in a threatened position.
I feel like the Hub represents all the NCR's corruption and if Kimball tried to move the capitol from Shady Sands which was the place that represented the legacy of Tandi and Aradesh and the NCR's democracy as a whole he'd probably face serious pushback which could create for some good storytelling
Given where Lucy and The Ghoul are heading, it'd be pretty logical to stop at Necropolis on the way there, or even another NCR settlement along the way.
I still don't understand this shady sands placement. If the games are canon than either the boneyard is nuked or shady sands, they're two different cities. Like, that's a far bigger discrepancy than the chalkboard, which everyone knew was an easy fix.
I was trying to explain that the NCR losing its first capital doesn’t mean the NCR is gone but they kept arguing the semantics of the word “fall”.
Yup. Like I've been saying all week. NCR has plenty of other cities, they're not wiped out, they've simply been pushed out of the L.A. area.
I think there’s been a reason why throughout Season 1 it’s all “Shady Sands this, Shady Sands that.” At no point does anyone ever directly say “The NCR was destroyed,” they just say “Shady Sands was destroyed.” The closest we come to it is Maximus saying “It didn’t work out” and even then he may have been talking more about Shady Sands, given that he’s from there. Definitely feels like they’ve been intentionally ambiguous about the fate of the NCR and between the main theme dropping when Lucy sees the flag for the first time, and that we essentially know for a fact that it’s still out there, it feels like they’re building up to something big and I think the NCR is gonna make one hell of an entrance in Season 2.
Also getting nuked by any standard is a reasonable level of things not working out for you even by post-apocalyptic standards
I agree 100%
It makes sense to be as vague and ambiguous as possible, that way a lot of things about the endings of the games can remain open.
It’s really frustrating to me why the show seems to actively dislikes providing context for the wasteland. Like, when Lucy asked Maximus about what’s being going on in the wasteland after the bombs fell, he somehow completely failed to comprehend that someone who’d been in a vault her whole life would be talking about the Great War, and then the issue is just dropped and never returned to. Maybe the showrunners didn’t want to bog down people new to Fallout with excess exposition but I really felt it needed it at multiple times. The lack of info around state of the BoS, Lucy not just asking about level 12, the cult around Moldaver and why she’s apparently so well known, etc.
Maximus has low INT, he probably didn’t know lmao
Is that stuff that is needed for the story or stuff that is needed for fitting lore blocks in. Because those are two very different things.
Maximus is super stupid, like idiot savant levels of stupid.
Im not super versed in the history but I thought the ncr wiped out the legion at the hoover dam, why would people think they're wiped out?? Isn't that the canon way it happens?
The ending has been left ambiguous in cannon because of the multiple ways NV can end as far as I know. The NCR ending, followed pretty closely by the House ending, are both considered by far to be the most popular endings though, so that might change considering the season finale of the show.
There’s technically not a canon ending for fnv… yet.
You can’t ’wipe out’ the legion in the same way that the ncr can’t be wiped out. What I see happening is the legion retreated the 2nd battle, from Lanius’ orders, he goes east. Does a bit of trolling, then comes back to the dam and Vegas (season 2) intent on delivering that promise to the courier
New Vegas is rife with snippets that talk about NCR issues, breakdowns, decay, etc. It’s not about the various settlements being wiped from the map by a hostile force, it’s more about the collapse of a framework that bound it all together.
Thank Todd we can finally put this to rest so people will chill out and we can theorize in peace without it being a constant brouhaha about retcon this and retcon that and Bethesda hates Obsidian
Oh don’t worry, they’ll find a way to turn this negatively again as Todd can not do anything right in their mind.
At what point do these people just move on. I can't imagine being so miserable in my normal life to stay part of a community I don't even like anymore 🫠
It’s called being part of a hivemind. These groups are a minority and the only way to be heard is by screaming the loudest. Luckily most New Vegas fans are more rational. I watched the show with my best mate who is an incredibly big New Vegas fan vs bethesda. However, he even noticed that the show seems to include most references and styles to New Vegas (the original three fallouts to be precise) rather than Bethesda’s fallouts.
Yeah, there are New Vegas fans, who are reasonable. And then there New Vegas Fanatics/Cultist who are just the worst.
Yeah, they had easter eggs from all of the games but we are definitely in NV territory. I think that was their whole idea, anyway. We've had enough of the East coast since 3 so it's time we go back to the roots and see what that world looks like.
They won't. They'll be spinning this "Bethesda hates Obsidian" bullshit forever. They need something to do between games I guess.
I have already seen plenty of "Todd is lying to do damage control" being throw around far too many times.
People were complaining about the logistics of getting from place to place and jumping back and forth between locations. Clearly there were liberties taken for the sake of pacing but I couldn't give any less of a fuck.
Even in Tim Cain’s videos, the actual creator of Fallout, he talks about how much he likes the show and so called Fallout fans are calling him a shill and saying he’s being paid by Bethesda, and arguing that it destroyed his creation 💀
“Why do we consider Todd as canon?” comments incoming lol
I'm sure their reaction would include something about Todd's alleged lies. Or they will completely ignore this and will keep singing their tune... Just like they did when Tim Cain called them out.
>Bethesda hates Obsidian This fabulation will never die. We have been refuting it for decade and yet it keeps being brought up anytime New Vegas gets mentioned. Some people simply cannot let go and accept that them liking a game doesn't automatically mean that the game should be more popular... and that the only reason why it isn't the most popular game in the franchise is some kind of sabotage on part of Bethesda.
I had someone tell me recently that "Bethesda has always shit on and ignored New Vegas even before the show" and for the life of me I dont know what the fuck they even mean.
Well you see new vegas had no impact on the east coast, you know the one that 3 stated took years for the brotherhood to reach but nvm that its Bethesda so does not matter, so therfore they ignored the legion. Also 76 which took place almost directly after the great war has no mention of the ncr or shady sands! Imagine the gale of not including a place that happen almost one hundred years later!
If that was the case New Vegas would have never been made.
Weird that people whine about canon and retcon in a franchise famed for its openendedness and having the story be whatever you choose.
People who spend their time on online forums about TV shows just really like to whine. That, and complaint posts get the most attention and rise to the top of this toilet.
We got an amazing show and there are still people who were so ruined by social media brain rot that they had to pick apart a 5 second clip from an 8 hour show.
Don't forget the classic “I watched 1 episode and turned it off” comments as if they're ever helpful.
Well that's fine. Fallout is still the #1 streaming show in the world without their salty asses.
That's what I thought. Sure Shady Sands is gone but the NCR controls a large area so they probably have much more of a presence elsewhere. Hopefully we see that in S2
Man I just realized We're going to get like 5 seasons of this show before a new fallout game lmao
Lmao likely, yes, but hopefully the shows popularity helps push for more staff/work towards putting a quality game out sooner than that Either way any fallout content is welcomed and I really can’t wait for more of this show!
sounds good to me, a spinoff anthology show would be fun too... give other writers a chance to play in that sandbox with self-contained stories in various styles including animation
The NCR LIVES!
*My death was… greatly exaggerated.*
Yeah, it’s pretty stupid to assume they’re done just cuz Shady Sands got nuked. If Washington DC got nuked, the US government across the whole nation doesn’t suddenly evaporate.
Play Fallout 3 in Capital Wasteland... Enclave Exists.... case and point
I figured. There’s no way such a large faction lore wise would be written off so easily. I mean even in a practical sense even if they lost in FNV. They’re still a gigantic republic.
Yeah I can totally believe that after exhausting themselves at the Hoover Dam and having one of their largest cities nuked the NCR would retreat from certain regions to consolidate and reassess the situation. I’m not an expert but I believe in New Vegas it was basically stated that the NCR got too big too fast and was suffering a logistical nightmare and runaway corruption. The nuking of Shady Sands was probably the last straw that forced the NCR to cede territory in order to do some internal reconstruction.
Todd said a good thing
Godd Howard has spoken
Is he a bug or a feature?
The greatest illusion in the world is that of separation, we must open our mind’s eye and see the feature in the bug, and the bug in the feature.
Idk He just works
I’m more bewildered that people don’t have the media literacy skills to understand why an eight episode first season of a television show doesn’t exhaustively explain in detail every bit of its plot and lore. It’s one season of a show and not a particularly long season at that some things are just set up for future stories, that’s how TV works. If what’s going on with the NCR isn’t important until a later season it doesn’t need spelled out for you in season one. That’s a hook to stay invested and keep watching to see how the story plays out.
“Must be no super mutants since I didn’t see one!”
Which is crazy because we saw one in the first episode
\*Second episode. But your point still stands.
People being surprised about that makes no sense. that region was subjected the Masters army, they had a real government and military rise up and take control of course they would wipe out all super mutants lol
There is actually a super mutant in the show, in episode 1 in the enclave. You can only see a big green hand, since the body is on a gurney being taken into a room. Granted it's only visible for 1 or 2 seconds but it's there.
And also the shit Thaddeus was injected with to heal his foot has to be FEV of some kind. We’ve seen stimpacks heal internal injuries but I do t think they can cause bones re-knit and grow back. He may not turn into a full super mutant, but he’s definitely gonna be more than just a ghoul. Maybe a centaur or something.
I’m sorry, but if the show doesn’t spend 4 hours each episode having the characters dump lore to the point that includes the serial numbers of the Mr Handy’s, then what is even the point of watching? /s
Well said. Combine that with the goal of the show being to bring new people into the series rather than prioritize fan service and you get what we got (Which was an amazing show)
They assume their favorite faction is everyone’s favorite faction and will be featured earlier and more often, or it’s not being done “right”.
I think a simple line like "The NCR pulled out to their other territories" could've easily fit in an hour long episode.
The show has done a pretty good job of showing not telling, and I'd rather just be shown it because I find that a lot more immersive than just being told it.
But then people would still be upset that they did that too because it would be a simple line that ruins any compelling story telling- I truly think it's better to have felt like your favorite thing was taken from you, to have that feeling of "...aw man." To then get fired back up when you see them rise from ashes, to have someone to root for, or have something to bring back hope. There's no fun to be had with mystery if they tell you everything about everything as soon as it's mentioned.
Also we see Vegas in the distance and you can barely make it out. Everyone assumes this means (and the end credits) that it's wiped out. Just because the show doesn't have a set built
You can see Vegas just fine in that final shot, and the lights are clearly out. On top of that, the credits show the strip torn apart by war, with dead securitrons and destroyed ncr vertibirds littering the street. I’m not sure why people keep trying to act like this is some ambiguous thing. We’re literally shown the current state of Vegas.
The credits don't necessarily mean the current state of a location. The credits of episode 7(I think?) is a destroyed version of the observatory...which is obviously fine until the last episode. So the credits in ep 8 could be from the past, or could also be blatant foreshadowing for a major battle in new vegas during season 2. It's surprising that not many people are pointing this as imo.
And even with this point, the show had SO MUCH LORE. It blew me away, at best I didn't think they were going to touch on even half of what they did. I thought so much was going to be "teased" and just alluded to, but nope, we got so much.
Alright now I need Season 2 to have a scene reminiscent of the Brotherhood’s entrance in Fallout 4 but with the NCR.
Hell yea brother!! That would be dope
NCR being a faction in fallout 5 🙏🙏
I’m glad Todd has come out and clarified this, especially the implications that NCR has survived. The show definitely gave mixed messages and left the fate of NCR as rather uncertain to say the least. It would have been jumping to conclusions either way, at least it is more clear now.
I'm more than willing to accept that it wasn't any kind of retcon or anything like that. I still think it was a weird timeline putting a year on something vague like "the fall of shady sands" and not putting one on something as definitive as a nuke dropping.
Either they got the first Battle of Hoover Dam mixed up with the second one or they hadn’t decided on the exact year yet and had to leave it vague.
Agreed, it’s a weird way to make a timeline to not include a year for the nuke but for me it was crystal clear it happened at some point after the fall
To me the lack of a year means that the only info other people have is that it got nuked but not how, why and by who.
Yeah for sure, although "the fall of shady sands" is pretty ambiguous too. Either way though, now we have definitive knowledge that it's not a retcon one way or another.
The Fall happens in the same year when Hank went to Shady Sands to get Lucy (and Norm?) back from Rose. Either it’s a coincidence or Hank straight up invaded Shady Sands. And the question becomes…him and what army? Because he sure as hell didn’t do that with a handful of pre-war managers from Vault 31. I think this may not be directly addressed, but I think Vault-Tec will pull out a doomsday device or automaton army of some kind in this show, and that would be what Hank used. Alternatively they do dig into this part, and he made a deal with an existing faction or something. Maybe he gave away Cold Fusion research in exchange for the Enclave’s help? That seems entirely too neat…
It’s just a not-very-well-done piece of storytelling in an otherwise great show. Sucks that it led to uhh… the giant ruckus here and elsewhere but at least now we know the NCR wasn’t fridged off-screen, just wounded. Still doesn’t QUITE explain a few plot points that seem off if the NCR is still around but… fine, whatever. I’m more curious what this version of the BOS is, because the west coast brotherhood was basically on its last legs as of New Vegas while the East Coast Brotherhood is thriving. Seeing that the airship WAS the Prydwen, we can only assume that there’s a larger, farther reaching BOS stretching across America.
Plus, there was that library card from the end of episode 5 which ended in November, 2276. Look, none of the evidence was definitive, but it all clearly pointed to the bombing happening in 2277, and that's kind of bad writing.
Glad the air got cleared here!
You know what makes it funnier? New Vegas itself says the NCR is going to face major issues that will set it back,like shortages of power and water,and a famine pitched for the 2290s. Not counting the fact they are over extended and the war with the lost hills brotherhood was still going on in a guerrilla type of conflict(which prior the events of the game caused their economy to tank as their gold reserves got destroyed/stolen). The game says so many bad things the NCR is going trough,it was obvious it was going to decline.
What I would like to see: Focus on New Vegas, but also show how some of the surrounding locales and how they may have developed over the course of 15 years. Mr. House was one of the NCR's most valuable allies, and on the flip side NCR represented an almost limitless source of income and resources to the Strip. Even in the ending where he kicks them out, he makes it clear that he wants the NCR to keep lending him patronage so he can continue expanding the strip from a tourist trap into a proper capitol city that can not only catch up to Pre-War levels of development, but surpass it. If the NCR fell on hard times Mr. House is absolutely the type to extend a Faustian bargain to all of their remaining forces to further his position. They get to settle Nevada and rebuild their strength under the protection of his vast Securitron Army, and in exchange he can call in basically any favor he wants since they are on his turf. There's a lot of potential for political intrigue and subterfuge, as the NCR would hardly be content to sit in his shadow forever, and Mr. House is surely anticipating potential conflict with both them and the Brotherhood of Steel, who may pursue the latter into the Mojave.
I think the idea of a NV-based NCR is an interesting one. I can see them doing a “NCR won the second battle of Hoover Dam and that saved them when Shady Sands got nuked.”
The thing is though that the NCR was over extended in Vegas, so if the "motherland" was so weak you can safely bet a territory way out in the nuclear boonies would suffer. That's even if they managed to hold the dam and strip.
I just want to hear Heartaches by the Number, Ain’t that a Kick in the Head, Blue Moon, and most importantly, Big Iron during an epic shootout. For me the music and the location makes the games. I could give a shit which ending is canon, I myself picked different endings in different playthrough, it’s an agonising choice each time, and each ending choice can certainly blow up in your face some point down the line. So I wouldn’t mind being told it all went to shit at some point. That’s just the wasteland being the wasteland. I did the best I can, that’s what counts. But give me the songs, give me Mr New Vegas, give me the neon signs, give me the atmosphere, and I’m back in New Vegas. That’s all I want. Okay ideally I want reality to collapse around Lucy and then reboot itself again, to recreate an authentic player experience.
I need them to use Butcher Pete in this show at some point lol, it was everpresent in all my play throughs.
There we go. Absolutely nothing from New Vegas is decanonized or retconned. The only small nitpicks I have is the whole Shady Sands being the Boneyard thing and some of the lore implications regarding the three vaults in the show and why they were immune to the Master’s influence. I can’t wait to see what happened after the events of New Vegas!
I could understand Master missing the Vaults by simply not knowing to look for them. He doesn't even know about 13 until he meets us. Especially when "commanders" like Harry are send out.
The guy set up his lair literally right next door, you'd figure he'd send some scouts out in his backyard. EDIT: But that's pedantic to be clear, I don't actually care about that personally.
Yep! I never could understand the whole “Todd hates new Vegas so he wiped it” mentality hahah but yea hopefully some of the lord implications you are referring to are somehow explained I’m so pumped for season 2 and to see what is going on with New Vegas!!
Lore fans (like me) are really out here trying to make Bethesda Spoil every plot device of the future because they need all the awnsers immediately or todd killed every game ever and they're going to go cry. (Not me)
Man I swear some NV fans can become a cult themselves lol
100% lol I get the fierce passion for it, it’s a great game, but like there was a lot of jumping to conclusions and assumptions.
I'm seeing way more of the cult of bashing NV fans than the actual hate from NV fans tbf at this point. After the initial explosion things have calmed down since stuff was cleared up.
As always on reddit, the counter jerk becomes worse than the original circle jerk.
An outpost was destroyed An outpost owned by a country the size of California, that’s nothing. Sure shady sands being destroyed probably was devastating BUT, not the end of the republic. Again, it’s the size of California
JUST WATCH THE SHOW THIS IS ADDRESSED IN THE SHOW VERY DIRECTLY WHY DID TODD NEED TO SAY ANYTHING A WEEK AFTER THE SHOW HAS ALREADY BEEN OUT
Also Godd Howard has clearly shown his desire for the NCR to be the best hope for humanity in that they represent the closest chance for civilization to rebuild again, whereas he’s portraying the BoS in the show for who they actually are which is a tech greedy organization that only cares for advancing their own organization and have little to no interest in helping the people of the wasteland recover. I feel that the next season, and maybe even Fallout 5, will have this predicament where we ultimately must choose who will control the west coast with the NCR being the good/best faction.
I'm happy they stopped treating the BoS as holier-than-thou.
Yea they speak about the implications of BoS being like super badass but also you question your morales and how much you wanna push it to have their armor and weapons. So I think that is evidence to us that really the BoS (especially West Coast chapter) isn’t really a good group to bring civilization back to what it once was. The NCR is doing the best of all factions we know of so far
I agree, we definitely will see the NCR next season and maybe even Fallout 5 as the faction of the people and best hope for humanity. I also believe that we might see a big change in the future of the BoS. In the show it’s hinted to Maximus being disappointed when finding out the Brotherhood doesn’t actually embody the values he always believed they had (think Lyon’s version of the BoS), I think that the show might be hinting to a major change in the BoS in either the next season or maybe even Fallout 5 where we’ll see Maximus or other BoS members drastically make a change in the BoS that will end up turning the BoS as a whole into an honorable and peacekeeping organization, similar to what the Lyon’s BoS DC chapter was.
I would really love to eventually see like a BoS civil war take place. I think Lyons BoS is the best form of them (obviously) and if all of BoS could fall in line with them and their ideology the whole world would benefit SO much! I mean there are already the brotherhood outcasts that were more true to the West Coast ideology and broke from Lyons chapter, but I’d like a future game where there is a big in faction war as well with dealing with the other factions in the area
I think that would be a pretty cool premise, something like a revolution in the West Coast BoS that evolves them into a Lyon’s style of BoS that seeks to actually protect and rebuild the commonwealth. I would love to see that BoS caught in a civil war with the East Coast BoS that is more traditional and refusing to evolve. I would also be interested to see the relationship between this new evolved west coast BoS and the NCR, they both would have similar ethos and seek similar interests to rebuild society, so I wonder if they could eventually become allies, maybe even team up to fight Enclave and Legion remnants, or maybe even East Coast BoS
I think that would be a pretty cool premise, something like a revolution in the West Coast BoS that evolves them into a Lyon’s style of BoS that seeks to actually protect and rebuild the commonwealth. I would love to see that BoS caught in a civil war with the East Coast BoS that is more traditional and refusing to evolve. I would also be interested to see the relationship between this new evolved west coast BoS and the NCR, they both would have similar ethos and seek similar interests to rebuild society, so I wonder if they could eventually become allies, maybe even team up to fight Enclave and Legion remnants, or maybe even East Coast BoS Edit: also completely forgot that the show is setting up Vault Tec as a big bad faction that will inevitably make a return, so maybe the NCR and West Coast BoS team up to take them on, the whole enemy of my enemy trope.
I’m glad too, I’ve always thought the BoS was the coolest faction, but aside from Lyon’s BoS chapter, they’re only slighting better than the Enclave. It’s always been apparent to me at least that the NCR is the best option for rebuilding civilization, and I’m glad to see Godd Howard and Bethesda acknowledging that their beloved BoS may not be the best option for humanity
Did you all think The Bear could be destroyed so easily.
Lanius did
The problem is the ncr feels really under represented as a faction in the show they'd need to extend the run time or cut some chaff from the show to show the audience the ncr or it's remnants as opposed to holding the fact that moldaver is ncr till the very end
Under represented as of now, but I think that we are going to be seeing a lot of them next season. I think with having to build three characters storylines (one of them being BoS) it would have been just a lot to cram into the already limited number of episodes they gave us. I agree i want more NCR for sure but I see it coming soon!
That last bit is gold. It really irks me that people are just blatantly bad mouthing the company because they themselves are too stupid to realise something. Really gives you some insight into how intelligent some of these people are, I’ve had people tell me I have zero media literally over this. It should not take the current head of fallout telling them this shot for it to get through their thick skulls.
Hey, do you have the link to this interview?
https://www.ign.com/articles/the-big-fallout-interview-todd-howard-and-jonathan-nolan-answer-our-burning-questions-about-season-1
Thanks man, cheers
No problem! It’s a good read
Filthy profligates deserved it.
Ave, true to Caesar
Shocked people couldn’t figure that out on their own.
So… my Fallout 4 NCR themed game makes sense? Hell yeah!
Did people not pay attention to the dialogue in New Vegas? Seems everyone is only quoting what Kimball says, instead of the characters pointing out that he's wrong. NCR rangers especially.
Tell me tell me tell me lies.... TELL ME LIES TELL SWEET LITTLE LIES..Tell me... Tell me lies TELL me Tell me LIES!!!
I mean the show takes place 20 years after new Vegas and the reason we don't see them in fallout 4 is because Boston is north east not west
Imagine Vince Gilligan doing a FONV show
I just took everything in the show that wasn't in the games as some mods being installed.
I hope Danny Trejo as Raul to show up in Season 2. And that we actually see alive Super Mutants and Deathclaws.
The way they treated the NCR in the show leads me to believe that they're going to be far more pure now, and it makes sense the NCR now has something to fight for they aren't fighting for far away lands as a part of an imperialistic ploy by corrupt businessmen they're fighting for the land, the republic, and the future. I think we'll see a Brotherhood v NCR showdown at some point in the show especially seeing as the Brotherhood is not portrayed as heroic in the show, this isn't Elder Lyons Arthurian Knights this is a crazed techno religious military cult. I'd also love if there was some sort of conflict between the Mojave Brotherhood and the LA Brotherhood seeing as the Mojave Chapter is much more "progressive" (which funnily enough actually makes them more conservative in some ways) and isolationist.
People can’t comprehend the concept that during a nuclear holocaust people can’t just text each other, “hey, just got nuked. You up?”
It's sad this had to be sad. In fact, I bet the secondary plot in season 2---besides from New Vegas---will be the NCR trying to retake LA from the BOS after the power was turned back on, inflaming the Brotherhood War and we'll either see the conclusion in a season 3 or hear about it in a later game.
This is maybe me being pedantic but I'm not a big fan of this line ", the NCR is a wide-ranging sort of organization and group across not just California, but other places. ". It strikes me as odd, as if he views it like a guild or faction in one of the games. Like the Brotherhood, for example. But the NCR is not that and I think that's one of the issues more reasonable folks have, the NCR was not a faction building in a city, it was a State, a country.
I'm baffled and shocked that some people even needed an explanation. We were very explicitly given a timeline of events and the current year the show takes place in. Are people really so brain dead that they are incapable of googling when NV takes places in the context of the show before crying tears of "rEtCoN!!"...
I think The NCR is just going through another hard time, like most nations. Remember, The NCR isn't 'the good guys' it forces places to join The NCR, like Vault City. The point is about is the NCR just making the same mistakes as the US, Caesar was, 'poking the bear' and trying an alternative model. People still believe in The NCR as an ideal, and people believe The Enclave, and The BOS or America too. Ultimately, as IP owners, Bethesda and its licensees can do whatever they like with The NCR. They don't need anyone's permission to hold The West Coasts in some kind of cryosleep. Should we be forced to sing lullabies every day to the histrionic people crying about The NCR? I mean, they're fine with The Enclave being destroyed, even if it's someone else's favourite faction, but wet themselves if The NCR go? Have the balls to destroy these places, and tell a new story.
Exactly. Nations collapse and join other ones. It’s a wasteland for a reason not a utopia. There’s clearly a bigger reason 200 years later the United States has ceased to exist and collapsed into factions and settlements.