True, I was thinking though how it's funny when brotherhood fans and enclave fans stop hating each other so they can shit talk super mutants and ghouls
Tbf that kinda applies to most Wastelanders.
LIke all McDonough had to do to get voted in as Mayor of Diamond City was to promise to immidieatly deport all Ghouls, same with Rivet City
they have different definition of what constitutes a mutant
enclave think basically everyone but enclave are mutants, BoS varies but generally accept smoothskin as humans, even the ones who lived on the surface for generations
enclave was willing to risk their entire existence just to commit a mutant genocide, BoS varies but mostly they kinda treat them like animals but don't actively seek them out
did I mention that BoS varies? because it varies so much I think most of the chapters would actively try to kill each other if they ever met
In my mind I was envisioning this more as representing the fans of the factions but I failed to include that in the meme because I found it humorous when we dislike the other persons favorite faction but then come together to make jokes about hating super mutants and ghouls because this has happened a couple of times
Ehhh but at the same time they are actively sending mercenaries to try and scare off or provoke the mutants in Jacobstown during the events of New Vegas. They’re certainly not openly hostile to mutants like the BoS or Enclave, but they do still have their prejudices
NCR citizens, the mercs have no connection to the military or government of the NCR. It’s like saying that the inhabitants of diamond city are genocidal maniacs just because my genocidal maniac happens to have a house there.
True true. But you know what I heard in the lore? There’s an Enclave that’s base in Chicago and they allow supper mutants in their ranks, but this could be old lore/non cannon anymore but it’s been a long while since I saw.
I played the original games. Nobody even looks toward Necropolis in Fallout 1 and Gecko in Fallout 2 is terrible to live in. Vault city treats them as beavers on a river. Ghouls in NCR are technically fine to live, but in reality it's not that great. Ghouls will only be in military, oftenly sent on worst missions. You won't see any ghouls on McCaran or chilling on the Strip. Even Keely is hesitant to return to NCR after ghoulification (albeit not the main reason).
Super mutants are even worse. People hate the shit out of them in Fallout 2, and nobody really trust them in Broken Hils. People oftenly talk about Broken Hills as a beautiful place of harmony, when in fact it's a powder keg and only the Choosen one can reconcile the situation.
You say you've played the original games.
Did you never run into those remnants of the Master's army? You know, super mutants massacring caravans and the like?
Because I have. Several times.
NCR is a lot like a real country: they make special ghoul battalions (in New Vegas) and even have a few super mutant rangers (fallout 2), but at the same time a lot of the people in NCR are still prejudiced against mutants, including some wealthy politicians.
but overall NCR is one of the most tolerant societies in the wastes, at least on institutional level not only are mutants not actively shunned but even have limited legal protections, even the mercenaries in Jacobstown demonstrate that - they cannot attack super mutants unprovoked
It adds the enclave as a 5th main faction that you can join and beat the game with, without revealing anything important you help rebuild the Enclave alongside prewar enclave members cryogenically frozen in an additional section of Vault 111 added by the mod and it mirrors the Enclave in fallout 3 in many ways
You don't really join them. They don't start calling you a private or anything like that. They more just give you a suit of Power Armor since you either killed Moreno for it and they're too old to care anymore or Daisy gives you her suit because she doesn't like power armor in the cockpit.
Bethesda doesnt let us join because "very evil no no very bad do not join enclave, brotherhood good yes yes give us your electric toothbrush" the fucking legion and institute are much worse fuck your techno fetishists
Making our reactor melt-down means things are going to be pretty hot in here soon. Pity you won't live long enough to see it. You're not a hero, you're just a walking corpse.
Not really, he's with you, and even though he's subhuman to them, they're not going to fuck with you. Notably lots of racists don't just kill without any hesitation, but will murder if they feel like they can get away with it, like, I don't know, on one of those patrols they're on all the time?
>Not really, he's with you, and even though he's subhuman to them, they're not going to fuck with you.
Ever taken X6-88 with you?
>Notably lots of racists don't just kill without any hesitation, but will murder if they feel like they can get away with it, like, I don't know, on one of those patrols they're on all the time?
That's 100% a fallacy.
Hancock and X6-88 aren't comparable, as one of them is a guy, and one is a high ranking soldier of a faction they're at war with.
Fascists will act on their rhetoric if given a good opportunity, the brotherhood are fascists, it's hardly a stretch to assume the heavily militarised fascists will murder people due to their racial hatred.
>Hancock and X6-88 aren't comparable, as one of them is a guy, and one is a high ranking soldier of a faction they're at war with.
But Hancock is a ghoul, and you're saying they'd shoot ghouls.
>Fascists will act on their rhetoric if given a good opportunity, the brotherhood are fascists,
Can you stop using buzzwords? The Brotherhood is not facist. Nor racist.
>it's hardly a stretch to assume the heavily militarised fascists will murder people due to their racial hatred.
Neither ghouls nor super mutants are races. You're inserting a wild and baseless fanfic because you just dislike the Brotherhood.
>But Hancock is a ghoul, and you're saying they'd shoot ghouls
You understand that people can act in different ways depending on context?
>Can you stop using buzzwords? The Brotherhood is not facist. Nor racist.
The brotherhood is explicitly racist against synths and ghouls, they will tell you this to your face. I am also accurately using terminology to describe them, they're a xenophobic, jingoistic military power that enforces it's strict code of puritanical morals on the rest of the world using violence as it's primary tool, that, is fascism.
>Neither ghouls nor super mutants are races. You're inserting a wild and baseless fanfic because you just dislike the Brotherhood.
You're sorta undermining your point of me hating the brotherhood when you clearly stan them, they're literally your background imagine. You are very clearly strongly bias in their favour, so of course you deny super mutants and ghouls their identities, that's just part of any good fascist propaganda, to dehumanise and depersonalise people.
Not gonna argue with you anymore, we clearly have very different codes of ethics, and see the world very differently.
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>You understand that people can act in different ways depending on context?
So this ''ghoul which is enemy'' is not shot at, but this ''synth which is enemy'' is shot at? Sounds like an arbitrary difference.
>The brotherhood is explicitly racist against synths and ghouls,
Synths aren't even people, let alone a race.
Ghouls aren't a race either.
>they will tell you this to your face. I am also accurately using terminology to describe them, they're a xenophobic, jingoistic military power that enforces it's strict code of puritanical morals on the rest of the world using violence as it's primary tool, that, is fascism.
No it is not. Where did you learn what fascism is? Clearly not from Mussolini.
Where's the strong adherence to gender roles? Race-based supremacy? Irredentism? Imperialism? Anti-intellectualism? Expansionism? Traditionalism? Elitism?
The Brotherhood is ''xenophobic''? They literally came to the Commonwealth and allow (even encourage) the locals to join up. That's the opposite of xenophobia.
Also ''strict code of puritanical morals''? Literally the only thing the Brotherhood kind of enforces is their views on technology.
>You're sorta undermining your point of me hating the brotherhood when you clearly stan them, they're literally your background imagine. You are very clearly strongly bias in their favour, so of course you deny super mutants and ghouls their identities, that's just part of any good fascist propaganda, to dehumanise and depersonalise people.
Ghouls are literally victims of severe radiation poisoning. Are the survivors of Chernobyl their own race because they got cancer from the radiation? How much radiation damage does someone need to get to be a new race?
Super mutants are literally victims of a disease. Are people who catch a cold a new race? How sick does someone need to be to become a new race?
Ghouls are ticking time bombs that turn feral. We know this, we see this firsthand. We see it in the show, we read it in Nuka World, we hear it from Wiseman. Treating them differently, even without mentioning their rotten appearance and bad smell, is not on the basis of them ''being ghouls'' but on the basis of the threat they pose.
Super Mutants, with the exception of like two, are all bloodthirsty maniacs that seek to eradicate ordinary humans. The fact that you think they should be ''defended'' says a lot about you. Super Mutants, both West and East, started the war with the Wasteland, not the other way around.
>Not gonna argue with you anymore, we clearly have very different codes of ethics, and see the world very differently. ✌️
That much is clear. You'd be defending a zombie while it's biting off your arm, whereas I'd be shooting one from a distance before it even gets the chance.
I mean, Diamond city actively forced out their local population of ghouls, and like, diamond city security do just shoot law breakers, so yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that they'd shoot ghouls.
I mean the fo4 BOS gave me the vibe that once they r done with the institute synth situation they will set their eyes on ghouls and mutants. Maxson refers to synths, ghouls and mutants as products of unchecked technology and abominations that should be eradicated.
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The BOS being wastelanders are mutants by the Enclave's definition.
True, I was thinking though how it's funny when brotherhood fans and enclave fans stop hating each other so they can shit talk super mutants and ghouls
Brotherhood of Muties or Mutiehood of Steel?
Tbf that kinda applies to most Wastelanders. LIke all McDonough had to do to get voted in as Mayor of Diamond City was to promise to immidieatly deport all Ghouls, same with Rivet City
Good all racist politicians because politics, politics never change
A bit ironic, considering ghouls are arguably the "indigenous" people of the wasteland.
they have different definition of what constitutes a mutant enclave think basically everyone but enclave are mutants, BoS varies but generally accept smoothskin as humans, even the ones who lived on the surface for generations enclave was willing to risk their entire existence just to commit a mutant genocide, BoS varies but mostly they kinda treat them like animals but don't actively seek them out did I mention that BoS varies? because it varies so much I think most of the chapters would actively try to kill each other if they ever met
The BOS almost seems like some sort of fractured asses. Asstartes, almost.
The power Armour Fits
I don't know, they are known for stealing stuff.
In my mind I was envisioning this more as representing the fans of the factions but I failed to include that in the meme because I found it humorous when we dislike the other persons favorite faction but then come together to make jokes about hating super mutants and ghouls because this has happened a couple of times
We can add Wanda Maximoff
“No more mutants”
And friends of humanity
The Enclave immediately went to wash their hands after touching the Brotherhood of Steel's
Yeah probabaly
We need a railroad for mutants. They were just people that got buttfucked by mad scientists.
Well that's partially what the mutants do on Jacobs town not?
if they wanted to they’d be doing the buttfucking in jacobstown
Just like losing the arm wrestle in Broken Hills of FO2
Insert every major faction here
They should totally unite, are they stupid?
Tgey have completely different idealisms
Why would we ever join forces with BoS
NCR: can I partake?
Actually the NCR had a whole group made up of ghouls and mutants. They are only mentioned though in Fallout new Vegas
Ehhh but at the same time they are actively sending mercenaries to try and scare off or provoke the mutants in Jacobstown during the events of New Vegas. They’re certainly not openly hostile to mutants like the BoS or Enclave, but they do still have their prejudices
The mercs are likely hired by private interests, not the NCR government
NCR citizens, the mercs have no connection to the military or government of the NCR. It’s like saying that the inhabitants of diamond city are genocidal maniacs just because my genocidal maniac happens to have a house there.
True true. But you know what I heard in the lore? There’s an Enclave that’s base in Chicago and they allow supper mutants in their ranks, but this could be old lore/non cannon anymore but it’s been a long while since I saw.
Are you thinking of the Brotherhood of Steel from Tactics that has ghouls, super mutants and intelgente death claws?
That’s probably because it’s housing Nightkin, who are especially dangerous.
there’s a ghoul ranger at one of the ranger stations
I played the original games. Nobody even looks toward Necropolis in Fallout 1 and Gecko in Fallout 2 is terrible to live in. Vault city treats them as beavers on a river. Ghouls in NCR are technically fine to live, but in reality it's not that great. Ghouls will only be in military, oftenly sent on worst missions. You won't see any ghouls on McCaran or chilling on the Strip. Even Keely is hesitant to return to NCR after ghoulification (albeit not the main reason). Super mutants are even worse. People hate the shit out of them in Fallout 2, and nobody really trust them in Broken Hils. People oftenly talk about Broken Hills as a beautiful place of harmony, when in fact it's a powder keg and only the Choosen one can reconcile the situation.
>People hate the shit out of them in Fallout 2 Gee, I wonder how that comes.
Considering it's been 80 years, it's really not that understandable.
You say you've played the original games. Did you never run into those remnants of the Master's army? You know, super mutants massacring caravans and the like? Because I have. Several times.
who doesn't dabble in a little caravan massacring in Fallout though?
Touché. So long as it's a Den caravan, at least. Or one of those Institute-loving ones.
NCR is a lot like a real country: they make special ghoul battalions (in New Vegas) and even have a few super mutant rangers (fallout 2), but at the same time a lot of the people in NCR are still prejudiced against mutants, including some wealthy politicians. but overall NCR is one of the most tolerant societies in the wastes, at least on institutional level not only are mutants not actively shunned but even have limited legal protections, even the mercenaries in Jacobstown demonstrate that - they cannot attack super mutants unprovoked
Not true. Tons of ghouls are Rangers.
It is kinda sad that there is no game where u can take the Enclave side. You can take the side of the legion, and the institute but not the Enclave
Consider playing the America Rising 2 mod on fallout 4
What does it do?
It adds the enclave as a 5th main faction that you can join and beat the game with, without revealing anything important you help rebuild the Enclave alongside prewar enclave members cryogenically frozen in an additional section of Vault 111 added by the mod and it mirrors the Enclave in fallout 3 in many ways
In 76 you can actually join the Enclave. Although 76 experience is obviously different from the main games.
You can join the remnants in New Vegas
You don't really join them. They don't start calling you a private or anything like that. They more just give you a suit of Power Armor since you either killed Moreno for it and they're too old to care anymore or Daisy gives you her suit because she doesn't like power armor in the cockpit.
You know what. Fair enough. You're right you really are just sum guy who gets a cool set of power armor.
Bethesda doesnt let us join because "very evil no no very bad do not join enclave, brotherhood good yes yes give us your electric toothbrush" the fucking legion and institute are much worse fuck your techno fetishists
Leave strong alone and also nick and also Hancock and also the railroad and get your hands off my damn toaster
What now? We make memes stating the obvious?
Also they can agree on wearing power armor
BoS are wish verson of Enclave, change my mind. Enclave lost only because they have less manpower in my headcanon.
Yeah, the Enclave hated them so much that they employed one
Wouldn't be fascists if they weren't hypocrites.
So true
Making our reactor melt-down means things are going to be pretty hot in here soon. Pity you won't live long enough to see it. You're not a hero, you're just a walking corpse.
Fo4 BOS is fine, unless you're a super mutant or synth and to a lesser degree ghouls because of going feral.
Considering the shit they say if you bring Hancock with you, pretty sure they wouldn't hesitate to gun down peaceful ghouls out in the world.
The fact that they talk instead of opening fire would indicate the opposite.
Not really, he's with you, and even though he's subhuman to them, they're not going to fuck with you. Notably lots of racists don't just kill without any hesitation, but will murder if they feel like they can get away with it, like, I don't know, on one of those patrols they're on all the time?
>Not really, he's with you, and even though he's subhuman to them, they're not going to fuck with you. Ever taken X6-88 with you? >Notably lots of racists don't just kill without any hesitation, but will murder if they feel like they can get away with it, like, I don't know, on one of those patrols they're on all the time? That's 100% a fallacy.
Hancock and X6-88 aren't comparable, as one of them is a guy, and one is a high ranking soldier of a faction they're at war with. Fascists will act on their rhetoric if given a good opportunity, the brotherhood are fascists, it's hardly a stretch to assume the heavily militarised fascists will murder people due to their racial hatred.
>Hancock and X6-88 aren't comparable, as one of them is a guy, and one is a high ranking soldier of a faction they're at war with. But Hancock is a ghoul, and you're saying they'd shoot ghouls. >Fascists will act on their rhetoric if given a good opportunity, the brotherhood are fascists, Can you stop using buzzwords? The Brotherhood is not facist. Nor racist. >it's hardly a stretch to assume the heavily militarised fascists will murder people due to their racial hatred. Neither ghouls nor super mutants are races. You're inserting a wild and baseless fanfic because you just dislike the Brotherhood.
>But Hancock is a ghoul, and you're saying they'd shoot ghouls You understand that people can act in different ways depending on context? >Can you stop using buzzwords? The Brotherhood is not facist. Nor racist. The brotherhood is explicitly racist against synths and ghouls, they will tell you this to your face. I am also accurately using terminology to describe them, they're a xenophobic, jingoistic military power that enforces it's strict code of puritanical morals on the rest of the world using violence as it's primary tool, that, is fascism. >Neither ghouls nor super mutants are races. You're inserting a wild and baseless fanfic because you just dislike the Brotherhood. You're sorta undermining your point of me hating the brotherhood when you clearly stan them, they're literally your background imagine. You are very clearly strongly bias in their favour, so of course you deny super mutants and ghouls their identities, that's just part of any good fascist propaganda, to dehumanise and depersonalise people. Not gonna argue with you anymore, we clearly have very different codes of ethics, and see the world very differently. ✌️
>You understand that people can act in different ways depending on context? So this ''ghoul which is enemy'' is not shot at, but this ''synth which is enemy'' is shot at? Sounds like an arbitrary difference. >The brotherhood is explicitly racist against synths and ghouls, Synths aren't even people, let alone a race. Ghouls aren't a race either. >they will tell you this to your face. I am also accurately using terminology to describe them, they're a xenophobic, jingoistic military power that enforces it's strict code of puritanical morals on the rest of the world using violence as it's primary tool, that, is fascism. No it is not. Where did you learn what fascism is? Clearly not from Mussolini. Where's the strong adherence to gender roles? Race-based supremacy? Irredentism? Imperialism? Anti-intellectualism? Expansionism? Traditionalism? Elitism? The Brotherhood is ''xenophobic''? They literally came to the Commonwealth and allow (even encourage) the locals to join up. That's the opposite of xenophobia. Also ''strict code of puritanical morals''? Literally the only thing the Brotherhood kind of enforces is their views on technology. >You're sorta undermining your point of me hating the brotherhood when you clearly stan them, they're literally your background imagine. You are very clearly strongly bias in their favour, so of course you deny super mutants and ghouls their identities, that's just part of any good fascist propaganda, to dehumanise and depersonalise people. Ghouls are literally victims of severe radiation poisoning. Are the survivors of Chernobyl their own race because they got cancer from the radiation? How much radiation damage does someone need to get to be a new race? Super mutants are literally victims of a disease. Are people who catch a cold a new race? How sick does someone need to be to become a new race? Ghouls are ticking time bombs that turn feral. We know this, we see this firsthand. We see it in the show, we read it in Nuka World, we hear it from Wiseman. Treating them differently, even without mentioning their rotten appearance and bad smell, is not on the basis of them ''being ghouls'' but on the basis of the threat they pose. Super Mutants, with the exception of like two, are all bloodthirsty maniacs that seek to eradicate ordinary humans. The fact that you think they should be ''defended'' says a lot about you. Super Mutants, both West and East, started the war with the Wasteland, not the other way around. >Not gonna argue with you anymore, we clearly have very different codes of ethics, and see the world very differently. ✌️ That much is clear. You'd be defending a zombie while it's biting off your arm, whereas I'd be shooting one from a distance before it even gets the chance.
Would you say the same for vault 81 and diamond city?
I mean, Diamond city actively forced out their local population of ghouls, and like, diamond city security do just shoot law breakers, so yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that they'd shoot ghouls.
Even in Fallout 3 the BOS would actively take potshots at Underworld ghouls if they saw them outside
I mean the fo4 BOS gave me the vibe that once they r done with the institute synth situation they will set their eyes on ghouls and mutants. Maxson refers to synths, ghouls and mutants as products of unchecked technology and abominations that should be eradicated.
Feel ike this should be made into the three way handshake meme with the NCR.
THERE BROTHERS IN ARMS
The mutant, the heretic, and the alien. Filthy xenos
“Sir, we got a settlement overran by Super Mutants.” Someone get me a Vertibird and Fortunate Son playing over the speakers.
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What did we spuer mutants do?
Ngl, Brotherhood of Steel after Fo4 turned practically into Enclave 2.0 (minus killing most humans)
I mean not really. They don't kill non feral ghouls and it's not like Lyons wouldn't kill synths
They kill non-ferals as of the TV show's time. At least according to Thaddeus, all ghouls are kill on sight.
Didn't he say "anyone"?
You did not pay attention to fallout 3
The brotherhood of steel is the enclave but without the evil part known as the government
Yeah instead you get the evil known as religion.
1.bos isn't even a religious irganizatiob despite it's potrayl in tv show
True, its actually religious organisation due to its portrayal in fallout 1&2
I somewhat doubt you've played FO2. Even in FO1 the religious aspect isn't that pronounced.
Fuck off techno fetishist.