**South Park.** Some people (mostly antis) started saying that Towlie (a character that is basically just a towel that likes to get high) was a minor because he was 17 in TOWEL YEARS(?? so it was wrong to ship him with other characters.
I wish I were kidding.
Aren’t most of the popular characters and by extension ships from South Park 4th graders tho?? Why do people even care about Towlie when you have a 9-year-old wannabe Hitler?? The fact that the antis even bother with the SP fandom is beyond comprehension.
The fact that there are South Park antis in the first place is so hilarious to me. That show has 4th graders involved in all sorts of "problematic" scenarios that should be bad by anti standards.
Because it's hard to avoid discourse when people go onto others' profiles to harass them for shipping (even if it is a crack ship).
I myself particularly didn't engage in it (mostly saw it all over my twitter feed 'cause I'm in the fandom), and most of the comments usually ended with "dude, it's South Park", but some were still adamant with the minor/towel years nonsense, so even if you block sometimes it's kind of unavoidable.
I am dying 😂😂😂😂😂 It's already batshit crazy to me that people *want to* ship Towlie with anyone, but then you factor in this angle, and I am howling on the floor.
I think the initial discussion about LGBTQ+ men of colour portrayals in media in the early days of the fandom was so interesting but it devolved so quickly into "you're racist" "no you're racist" it was infuriating.
This was literally the situation I thought about when I opened this thread...
Kind of amazing that even with a piece of media that gave us almost "perfect" LGBTQ representation, to the degree that you can say such a thing exists, fans still found a way to be miserable shitlords to each other about it.
That Hannibal and Will is problematic because of the age gap and not you know the fact that Hannibal manipulated Will and the whole (spoilers) Hannibal eats people thing.
I still can’t tell if the person was joking or not… considering how some people will consider a two year age gap a big deal it might not be a joke.
That's hilarious to me because 1) I was reading some Hannibal/Will earlier tonight after not for a few years 2) I looked up their ages cause I couldn't remember for the life of me and 3) Will is 38 and Hannibal is 49 and like, that's no where near an age gap level of bad? Especially at those ages? Like that's straight up considered middle age to most people. I hope whoever said that was joking lol
But also the whole, manipulation and like murder and human consumption thing. That should ultimately be more problematic I would agree lmao
People freaking out about relationships featuring serial killers being "problematic" is always so funny to me.
I mean, I'm all for fluffy and wholesome serial killer romances, don't get me wrong, and I also totally get some people don't want to read toxic romances. That's fair. But going on a rant when a villain acts like a villain in a fic is silly. He *eats people*, what did you expect?
I've been in a few fandoms where the source material is really dark, but then the fandom puts a light spin on things and seems upset when other people don't view it the same way? Fannibals in my experience usually embrace the dark parts of the show, so this probably applies more to other series I've encountered. But yeah, it's weird. You kind of wonder why they're even into such a series in the first place??
One fandom of mine is Killing Stalking, and I feel like a lot of people 100% wouldn't be there if it weren't for the gay stuff. But it's just strange sometimes because they outright reject the most, IMO, essential parts of canon and reimagine the story as something fluffy. Each to their own I guess, but the people who get judgey about those who enjoy the actual darkness of such a series are weird.
The Hannibal fandom is full of that mindset. I saw someone talk about the problematic age difference between Hannibal & Abigail the other day, and the fact that they're "family". Like, are we ignoring the fact that >!Hannibal murdered Abigail! And how on earth are they family. Will and Hanni's weird paternal manifestation of guilt doesn't make them actual fathers.
That shipping two characters was incest because they have found family vibes, and grooming because one of them was a year and a half younger than the other and a former hikikomori.
That's similar to my ship. Antis try to argue that it's incest because Character Js father looks after character H and they go to the same high school
They also think that it's inappropriate because they're a YEAR apart.
The reality is that they're not related.
Some.people.just need to touch grass.
If that's the ship I'm thinking of, I wanna add my two cents. I'm autistic and grew up believing I was too weird to be romanced by anybody. (Now I am happily coupled, thank you!) I get why people have issues with that ship, but I saw something of myself in the hikikkomori character and I was glad to see someone kind of like me was portrayed as a viable romantic partner.
>!Plus it isn't anywhere near the most problematic ship in that work!<
I’ve seen it in a bunch of different fandoms, but I always think top vs bottom discourse is pretty dumb.
Like having a preference and only wanting to read/write it one way is fine, but spending time arguing with strangers online, compiling evidence such as “but he’s taller!” “But he says mean things!” and getting genuinely angry about it is just very… weird to me.
It's a glorious mess of "are you confusing this with dom/sub or do you just genuinely think having darker hair means you don't enjoy penetrative sex". I did my time in the seme/uke battlefield, I refuse to play "so who's the wife" with people who wanna recreate Ancient Greece out here
I read the last bit in the tone of Sirius “I did my waiting! Twelve years of it! In Azkaban!!” speech
On a more serious note, I 100% agree that this discourse was stupid then and even stupider now.
“-Do you just genuinely think having darker hair means you don’t enjoy penetrative sex.” Omg I’m cackling. That is legit the type of argument people will use.
Every time I see someone say something like that I’m just desperately hoping that they never meet and say that crap too a real gay person
It’s completely understandable why there are queer men who have issues with slash/yaoi/BL when you read about that kind of idiocy being said with total conviction
> "but he's taller!"
Reminds me of the genshin fandom. People are trying to argue wether Childe or Zhongli ist taller, even though that they have THE SAME BASE MODEL IN GAME. Honestly who cares which on is taller, that doesn't make them automarically a top.
Comedy option: Zhongli uses his adeptus shapeshifting power to fuck with Childe by being the exact same height as him no matter what shoes he's wearing.
(Real talk, why do people use height/who tops as a way of copypasting heteronormative rules onto a queer pairing, it's so gross)
Your last point is why I as a straight person can’t stand a lot of BL. It feels so stereotypical and it feels like the top is always aggressive and the bottom doesn’t have any backbone. Like last time I checked gay men have personalities. And it says a lot about the internalized sexism some people might have if they are projecting m/f gender roles onto m/m. I have read a few that I liked though, but that was because the characters actually had personalities.
My fandom had the same discourse, in which they insisted that the canon gay character is obviously a bottom, because he's "submissive" (again putting a kink dynamic in the wrong context) and because there's a scene where he dances in a way that they interpreted to be, idk, the way a bottom dances? They also said they didn't know what show we were watching to get to the conclusion that [character] could top, and the answer is we all watched the same show where penetrative sex between those characters was never shown on screen so nothing is canon like they so passionately claimed.
A true nothingburger of a "discourse" but the way one person and their acolytes took to it was baffling. Luckily most of the fandom was made up of grownups who did not engage and the whole thing died down.
I wrote for a few Thai BL fandoms during lockdown, and got this one A LOT because of the way I wrote a specific pairing. Thai BL very often has that whole seme/uke bullshit going on and boxes the characters into sex positions based on personality traits in the actual canon of the series. The main show I was writing for though had the guy who liked a lot of those stereotypical "bottom" activities such as cooking specifically say that he had zero desire to bottom, and his more traditionally masculine partner mentioning that he doesn’t have any problems with bottoming. It was such a refreshing reversal that I was STOKED to write it that way, but boy howdy did I get flack for it. My favorite was someone on wattpad saying my fics were good, but could I please write Character B as more masculine? I very sarcastically replied that "Character B is a man, so everything he does is masculine, including taking a dick in the ass."
It also seems to me fundamentally homophobic. Like, the ship I’ve just fallen into lately is my first major m/m ship since my Drarry days and its like. Some people can’t conceptualize how to make a queer ship actually queer, one of the characters needs to be the woman. So they make one this like sad soft needs to be held boy who can only ever bottom and like. I’m not explaining it well but it just doesn’t 100% sit right for me with the way it’s done.
It’s also sexist because if the bottom is supposed to be the woman then it says a lot of how they think of women in relationships . And considering most people who write m/m are probably women, that’s even more concerning.
Yeah, the Stranger Things fandom is really going through it right now. Especially here on reddit, where there's the unfortunate combo of young people from twitter and older folks from facebook... absolutely wild culture clash.
Oh absolutely, I'm just an amateur and I'm having a field day. I've got a survey out about it right now and the responses have been fascinating so far.
I see this particular sentiment cropping up a lot in the Total Drama fandom, too. People come up with the wildest ships, but there's *always* a way to make it work, imo. But there's always someone out there sneering at the thought.
My OTP gets a lot of flack for this, too. So what did I do? I made an entire post picking apart all their canon interactions to prove why they *could* work, haha. Try and stop me now...
The Yuri on Ice fandom had a fight about how to spell Victor’s name. Throughout the entire series and in all the extra material (like merch) his name is spelled with a “c” when it’s written in the Roman alphabet. But a segment of the fanbase decided the creators were wrong and insist on spelling his name with a “k”. This became big enough that “Character’s name spelled as Viktor” is an established tag on AO3.
This whole thread is absolutely hilarious. YOI was one of those shows I watched, loved, but never felt the need to seek out fanfiction for. I honestly laughed out loud at the dish washing thing and also the tag mentioned at the end of the original comment 😆
Is this why I have absolutely zero idea how to spell his name?? I thought I just kept forgetting stuff because I was so distracted by the pretty anime and ice skating.....
Ohh! That reminds me of the time I was new to the fandom and started using Yuuri and Yuri just to try and make clear which character I was talking about in comments (And cuz it was what most of the authors of fanfics I’d already read did), and I made a comment complimenting a fic and they seemingly got mad and wrote a pretty lengthy message that ended with, “In future comments refer to them as Yuri K and Yuri P.”
Which was nothing by itself, but even in their summary it was really condescending about how the creators don’t know shit about shit or something like that, so it was just a funny situation all around. I remember eventually dropping the fic because the writing felt like it was going in an infinite loop of the same drama over and over for such a very long work.
Anyway, I don’t know how the fandom made it such a big deal which name to use—Like I know that after reading more about it there seems to be two schools of thought of using just the canon names and nicknames, or using what fans perceive as closer to how their original language would spell it. 🤷🏽♀️ — I really don’t even care which is right, I just want to enjoy a fic!! I just feel like I end up following the cues from the author if it’s a comment nowadays.
Going from a non-roman alphabet to a roman one will usually always result in multiple ways to spell something. But the YoI fandom is one where I’ve seen actual debates on it. Which is funnier because it’s one of the few that gave Romanizations of the main characters’ names in the actual animation at the very start. So it’s not just a debate on the translators end.
I admit I like to use Yuuri vs Yuri to differentiate the two. But I also acknowledge that “Yuri” is the actual way the creators intended to spell both so I’ve never been bothered by either.
The Victor vs Viktor debate doesn’t have the excuse of trying to clarify what character is being spoken about. So it feels more like the fans deciding they know more than the creator on what is “proper” for a character’s name.
But in the end I don’t really care. It’s just a bizarre issue to decide needs to be changed.
Spirk vs. Spones vs. McKirk. Just buy the boys a king sized bed and be done with it.
That and people who felt they needed to make Uhura into a major bitch just to break up Spyota. Not necessary. People can and do change partners and remain friends.
Ah, the trials of being an unpicky multishipper. (Of course, that also means I have fic out there for all three of those ships, plus the multi, plus a bunch with rarepairs (Scones is the best ship name, though Uhotty is close.)
We “argued”, all in good fun, over what colour the main characters hair was in season 2. It was called Hairgate and honestly it was hilarious and I have very fond memories of that time
I personally think the dumbest discourse in the ASOIAF and Game of Thrones fandom is, if Jon Snow is Rhaegar's son, what his Targaryen name might be. There are some who seem to practically take offense that he'd even have a Targaryen name at all. I personally don't see why it's a detail that needs to be hung on.
I gave him a name I liked; I honestly didn't put much thought into it beyond me liking it.
But it's a thread that pops up periodically and I just don't see why there need to be so many threads dedicated to a question that doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things.
As long as he isn't named Aejon (seriously, whoever came up with that name deserves to have their pillow warm on both sides), I'm good with any Valyrian or non-Valyrian name an author might pick for him.
Honestly, I think it should just depend on your story. If Jon is going to embrace being a Targ but not become king, Aemon, if he’s gonna be a badass fighter, Daemon, if you’re going 100% in line with the show, Aegon, if he’s gonna be a good king, Jaeherys, and if he’s going to stick to his Stark roots, just stay with Jon and say his mom didn’t get the name him.
Ha!! Honestly ALL the character wars are the exhausting. It’s always ‘Hermione is the best thing since sliced bread’ vs ‘Hermione is a beyoocchhhh for ____, ___, and ____.” Or ‘Ron is a useless abusive wuss,’ vs ‘Ron is a relatable underdog,’ and don’t get me started on Snape discourse!!
I think the only character we can all agree on is Umbridge being Satan.
one of my least favourite things about hp fandom these days is flattening all characters into “good” or “bad”. for all the series faults, the one thing it did really well was create nuanced characters with real strengths and flaws. why write a character off completely? someone like snape is so interesting and you don’t have to be an anti or a stan to appreciate his place in the story.
The number of stripes on a main character's shirt. Are there three??? Or five?? (Ok it wasn't really serious discourse, but it was a topic that I saw a strangely large amount of attention devoted to. I love my fandom.)
On a more serious note another fandom of mine was debating the ethnicity of a character: is she European, or Asian? Thing is, this character is *an alien from the moon*. She's.... neither. But the author's official website states that the character has white and Asian physical features. So I'm not sure why this debate even needed to happen in the first place.
There was discourse about whether a couple with a 10-ish year age gap was toxic. One problem: both the characters were over 800 years old. I don't think the age gap matters that much anymore...
Team Ironman vs. Team Captain America. The sheer amount of division among the fans over who was "right" in *Captain America: Civil War* was beyond stupidity, considering that you weren't supposed to be completely on either side of the conflict. Both have a point, and both are wrong in some way. But nope, a lot of people took that movie and boiled it down to "Tony wrong" or "Cap wrong".
I actually argued with my brother about this. Largely because his argument against Steve was "But no, Bucky is his best friend from Brooklyn", completely ignoring that more than that, Bucky was his brother in all but blood, had saved Steve's life while still getting his memories back, and was brainwashed the entire time he was Winter Soldier.
In the end, Civil War ended the way a lot of civil wars do. No one really winning in the end, and a lot of unhappy people. Tony and Steve both dropped the ball in a lot of ways.
And the argument got a revival on twitter recently... I wanted to cry.
When will people learn that no side was completely in the right, or in the wrong, and that's what's so good about it.
\*looks up from the genshin fandom and fire emblem\* where would we even start? one of them has ship wars, the other has ship wars + war criminal debates. There is no winning lol
(I have since squirrelled myself into one of my favourite rarepairs to avoid it all. Don't have the energy to engage and honestly think it's better that way.)
Yeah pretty much :, D feels like the genshin fandom never runs out of things to get up in arms about these days smh. like people will find the time to argue about SOMETHING and it's just so exhausting.
Lets be honest, Genshin fandom has way more problems than ship wars and war criminal debates. I mean a content creator was receiving so much hate for literally just saying "Drip" on an official art of a coming character. Who tf gets mad for someone saying "Drip"?
Yeah, the Edelgard discourse. The problem is the people who go noooo she's not a war criminal and blah blah blah
It's possible to like war criminal characters! Acknowledging that she did some shit and still liking her without bashing any of the other lords is based.
Just some fact:
-You can or cannot agree with Edelgard's ideas
-She did wrong
-She also instigated the change to a better Fodlan, independently if she is defeated
-For once in history, she was right when she said lizard people controlled the world
-Edelgard is not a hero, but neither is she a villain
-Morally grey characters exists
-She did not deserve what the fuck happened to her at the end of Azure Gleam
One of my fandoms started a petition to ban the showrunners from introducing a love interest to the MC... Because, they wanted to preserve the "OC Community" I shit you not. They actually thought they could force showrunners not to introduce ANY romance at all, so people could uninterrupted ship their OC's.
I was an OC writer in this fandom at the time and cringing because these people were already way too intense and full of drama.
There's a ton of dumb discourse in the Miraculous Ladybug fandom. One of the things that really gets me is people arguing that Marinette deserves to be punished for things she didn't even do.
The most popular ship in my fandom is based on a really queerbaity scene, and when I first saw the scene I was like “fine! I’ll ship them for real!” Then got in way too deep and it seems like many other people do too. It’s also a really wholesome series, so some people at like it’s “lewd” to draw these two girls so much as hugging even tho there’s a wholeass scene where one of the girls confesses her feelings and then says she’s joking and they also hug in said scene and also their other best friend draws yaoi on various occasions
* a fan made a fake audio where they tried to prove that they were a "real" fan of one of the characters by cutting off their finger, even though it sounded very obviously fake a bunch of people bought into it
* a still ongoing argument about whether it's okay to headcanon one character as a trans girl because they crossdressed for most of their life
* one character, in his official illustration, wore a very generic, black military hat with a fairly generic design on it, and people immediately declared it nazi symbolism. i agree that the designs are uncomfortably similar but considering he doesn't even wear it in the game and it's only present in that one illustration, probably out of carelessness, it's hardly a problem.
* "did this character who murdered someone and planned to get everyone else killed do something wrong? because in his defense, he's a very nice person."
* one character had a sprite holding a dildo (that, to my knowledge, has never been released uncensored) and, when this leaked before the game's english release, people were losing their shit over it existing at all. the sprite was never used in the game. obviously.
* whether a certain ship should be considered incestuous because one character was taken in as a child and raised to serve the other character. she wasn't even adopted into the family in any capacity, to say they "raised" her is an overstatement in itself because they were just training her to be a tool.
I read the first bullet point and knew what it was.
I think the most fun argument I've seen in this series are the hair/eye colors of the characters. "XXXXX has pink hair!" "No, she is a strawberry blonde!" "XXXXXXX has yellow eyes!" "No, he has silver eyes!"
I think the best part of this debate is that, depending on the sprite, or the official art, the colors can change. I've seen people get upset about it, though I have to admit, I've also had discussions with my friends about it.
Standard thing, two big named ships clashing heads. I was squirreled away into my unrelated OTP so I missed a lot of the fights, but my friend liked one of the big named ships. Legitimately, once she expressed her love of it and received a message screaming at her and then she got blocked by that user. Like, "Y'all, chill out!"
God there's so many and I hate them all.
Whether or not a certain subset of the population is actively discriminated against.
Why X character is fine but Y character isn't.
The exact laws the society has in place.
And the ever famous "why x ship is toxic"
Reading though this post makes me feel 100x better about some of the shit I’ve seen.
I’m in a fandom now where ship insecurity has birthed a group of very dedicated antis whose life’s mission is to posit that the ex-boyfriend of a guy in their preferred ship is an evil genius with a level of devotion and brilliance that even Moriarty could not begin to fathom.
The funniest thing I’ve seen was a multi-thread analysis of how this character not having enough phone chargers in his basement (as portrayed by a teeny throwaway corner panel of his living space) was a deliberate machination to subtly break down communication between the main couple in the manga, thereby indirectly and subtly ruining the chemistry of his ex-boyfriend’s band and forcing the band to fail. The most recent hilarious thing I saw was that his “sharp eye design” in a panel while he was as giving the MC advice was a “visual signal from the author that he is hiding ulterior motives,” and intends to take advantage of the MC while the MC is in a state of emotional weakness. I can’t even recall half the crazy other “analyses” I’ve seen in this vein.
This guy is a musician in a low-key slice-of-life manga. You really cannot make some of this stuff up. I honestly ran out of steam three times even trying to type this up, but nothing qualifies more as “stupidest discourse” than some of what I’ve seen in this fandom.
I also play Genshin, which is a buffet of beautiful discourse. My most recent point of curiosity is that I haven’t yet figured out what the hell is wrong with Yae/Ayato except that they’re in every other “DNI” I’ve seen. I haven’t yet had the pleasure of stumbling upon the full Yae/Yato anti manifesto, though. It’s sure to be a good one too.
…Is the first fandom Given, by any chance? I always just thought Ugetsu was an interesting character to be honest — plus as he’s already broken up with Akihiko I’m not sure what else there would be to get mad about, surely it doesn’t matter as they’re not together any more!
I've seen people legitimately argue that one female lead character was abusive to the male main character because she yelled at him once because she was stressed and wanted him to go away. She maybe did that some more off-screen. After the first time she's noted to feel bad, and she apologizes later. The MMC seems to forgive her, as he tells her why he's hiding his emotions from the world (something he didn't tell his childhood friend when she asked) showing a level of willingness to be emotionally vulnerable. After they make up the two seem to be quite close, but...
FMC is apparently abusive because... she got carried away and tried to get him to eat a frog. (MMC canonically eats rocks, and we don't know if he even ended up eating the frog. Also, FMC gets done dirty by the fandom a *lot.*)
Edit: Grammar
It's not just a fandom thing, either. Like mention anywhere on Reddit that your significant other did something that's (as you put it) not an ideal response, and you'll have people coming out of the woodwork telling you to leave this person because they're human garbage and so on and so forth.
Pretty sure this one is a combination of misogyny, teenager-hating, and character bashing for the sake of making a rival ship look better. While I have no data to prove it, (so maybe take this with a grain of salt) male characters who IMO were actually bad and definitely worse get their actions dismissed by the same fandom corners that argue this far more often. In addition, in other discussion about FMC, I have literally had people say that FMC was being immature and irresponsible because they were immature at that age and clearly all teenagers were just like them.
Not only is she a \*gasp\* teenage girl, there's also a rival ship due to a love V. (MMC is in the point/middle.) Since the female character for the rival ship is best summarized as "nice and gentle" and there really isn't anything like this one can use against her, putting down FMC in this way is an easy way to make the rival ship seem better in comparison. One can discredit the bond MMC and FMC form far easier if they paint FMC as abusive.
There are also probably a number of people in better faith who literally don't know that FMC and MMC made up due to the way the story is presented or didn't know that she was snapping due to stress because they missed that context. \*Sighs\*
>MMC canonically eats rocks
If this is about Link from BOTW, oh man, on my save file that poor boy had to eat burnt up wood too. The sword trials were *rough*, gotta get hearts *somehow*.
I feed my Link a diet of 95% cooked hearty durians and mighty bananas, so I imagine my Link isn't too happy with the variety in his diet. Now that I think about it... I don't think I've made him eat wood yet. \*Rubs hands together evilly\*
Ugh, I've seen something similar in one of my fandoms. Oh, no, she rolled her eyes at the guy a couple times, or made a joking/snarky remark to him. The horror. Clearly this makes her the bitchiiest bitch to ever bitch.
The bored antis who arrived after the show ended and the fandom was starting to die down to complain about these “problematic” ships that were not popular and hadn’t be *in two years* at that point and then got mad when they were told to simply mind their business.
Ignoring the obvious, “it’s fiction” thing, you had to *DIG* to even find content about these two ships, so I literally don’t get what they were mad at.
In Gravity Falls, the great debate on the character Mabel. The Mabel-hate movement seemed to have simmered now, but every now and then someone will emerge and post a rant why the character is poorly written and how she was a bad selfish sister to her brother
Taken out of context, her actions might seem selfish. And she does have some responsibility for causing the apocalypse. But she does have her insecurities, especially as her twin brother got closer with a new mentor and neglected to spend time with his sister.
And her teasing was also part and parcel of thr sibling relationship. Though Dipper do take them to heart. Mabel shrugs off whatever that was tossed at her.
As much as I didn't like what Mabel did, she's like, 12. I knew girls like her growing up. The worst part about Disney series that get this level of traction is that adults project their ideas and morals onto actual children and can't understand how a child can act like a child.
There’s regular discussions about whether or not a certain group of people *deserved* genocide or not - used to get angry about it, now it just makes me laugh
The Good Omens (TV adaptation specifically) fandom had a discourse over whether it's sexist to make Crowley a bottom because it's like saying all women should be bottoms always? Like, honey, this is a demon who is canonically sexless, what are you on about
The Snape War is one of the reasons I left the Harry Potter fandom years and years ago. Still love it, still enjoy reading fics, but I never interact. It's so tiring
My main fandom has so. much. stupid. discourse, but the one specific to the ship I mainly write for is people claiming they're siblings because, wait for it, their hair colour is almost the same. Never mind that they're completely different in-game races and come from completely different corners of the map. It's gotten to the point that in every comment section for them, you can be guaranteed that someone will drop in and parrot "Aren't they siblings...?" with absolutely nothing to back it up. It's tiring :')
Please, god... pick a direction and in all 360 degrees you'll hit something happening in Star Wars🤦
Every fandom with war-criminal discourse I feel your pain. Every fandom with "is shipping a nebulous non-biological pseudo-familial pair considered incest or not" discourse, I understand the struggle. Every fandom with "nobody can agree on what this one incredibly convoluted, highly variable central word **actually means** and how it's supposed to be interpreted in the narrative itself" I goddamn raise a toast.
Lemme have my dumbass "nobody in the Skywalker family is actually blond" discourse, it's much funnier than arguing over the *many* distinct types of slavery and genocides in the GFFA and how one man's "hee hee hoo hoo glowy blade" vision dunks so hard on fascism, the Vietnam war, and Bush-era politics while simultaneously blundering its way through a buffet of racist/Orientalist "yeah I'll incorporate that unthinkingly into my made-up universe" ideas and portrayals.
It's basically a circular firing squad out there, and frankly any franchise where kids are out playing with capes and bonking each other on the head with cardboard tubes does NOT deserve this level of self-serious digging-in-the-trenches discourse warfare
In my main fandom, there is quite a bit of discourse. The main one I see all the time is related to people saying that you can't ship the characters because they're a family. Most of them aren't related to each other at all, but people still claim that they're a family, and that shipping them is wrong. It gets really tiring to see, especially since I do ship some of the characters.
People also have discourse over my favorite ship from this fandom. They claim that it's abusive and say that the fans who ship them are awful for doing so. If it was a real relationship, it could be considered abusive, but the characters aren't real so it shouldn't really matter. I've also recently seen people saying that the ship is "debunked" due to recent events in canon, so people are also saying that people shouldn't ship it because of that.
I've seen quite a bit of drama and discourse in this fandom and a few of my other fandoms, but those are the main ones that come to mind right now.
Ah yes, we fandom members who spend our time creating/consuming non-canon content should stop shipping something because it's *checks notes* not canon.
There's so much stupid discourse in Genshin Impact solely because the fanbase hasn't learned the difference between fanon projection, "coding"/stereotyping, and how the "inspiration vs. representation" discussion works.
Hall of Fame for me of the discourse:
\- "Venti is a minor" discourse, over a thousands of years old shapeshifter god
\- "Shipping a Russian coded character with a Chinese coded character is racist" discourse, over Zhongli x Childe.
\- "Kaeya x Diluc is incest" discourse, when there are localization issues that CN fans have pointed out time and time again that the localization team erases the sworn brother trope out and that it's purposely left out for interpretation from the fans.
\- EiMiko vs, YaeYato shippers still at war, because many WLW shippers in the fandom lean more anti or push the "this character is coded as X" as an argument than acknowledging most of their ships getting alluded to is actually for marketing purposes. This also happens with KaeLuc fans being harassed my other shippers as well from previous discourse as well.
\- The whole discussion about Sumeru being "representation" when actually they should be making the "inspiration" argument, trying to put the devs under their moral pedastel because they are making the marketing choice to appeal to their base instead of... \*checks notes\* making their own fix-it content themselves to get what they want??? (*I'd personally exclude the actual criticism of harmful stereotypes in the characters designs from this discourse being dumb*, but not the whole denouncing of a region or character bashing over skin color without giving the story a chance. I'd still say the story and area itself needs a chance or just stop playing the game it its too much).
This comment would turn into a novel if I had to get started in Ensemble Stars shipping discourse.
I'm not even IN the genshin Fandom and I'll ship Kaeluc
I l follow Diluc's VA on Twitter (he's a cool dude) and he apparently doesn't like interacting with Genshin fans... But he's REALLY GOOD at trolling antis. Antis go "omg he ships Kaeluc gross why are English va's like this" and he doesn't even ship it. He's literally "ship and let ship, just don't involve me in your discourse".
Shout out to "dogey", my favorite tweet of his. His attitude towards antis and watching antis froth at the mouth over Kaeluc made me start shipping it out of spite. I just like the art, people do a great job of it.
(apparently the CN Fans are real sick of western fans and their nonsense over this. I am not surprised.)
I don't even want to get into the most annoying/pervasive stuff in my fandom, but the most impressively bad take I ever saw was the person that argued that (paraphrasing): 'these children who were literally tortured by their parents don't complain about it, so clearly it was okay to torture them in the first place. They should have run away and tried to become better people, so it's their fault.'
I saved a screenshot of it I was so impressed. 'the actual worst take.png'
Stranger Things Fandom…
There are the typical shipping wars ofc, which never make any sense, but basically… people are hating on the Eddie X Chrissy ship because of the age gap. Said age gap is 1-2 years. Chrissy is 18 (confirmed now) and Eddie is 19-20. People are saying that its weird but… I honestly have no words.
Maybe not dumb to most but damn exhausting for me is the discourse of OG vs Remake. The remake of my fandom basically turned my favorite character into a pedophile while the OG was **not** one and never meant to be one, and the remake basically spit in the eye of the OG creator who passed away. It kills me because now I'm constantly haunted by the fear of dealing with "but they're a pedo!" comments. Luckily not on AO3 because these people don't read my works but gaaaaaaaah Tumblr had it out for anything in that fandom for a while.
Looks like an inverse of the Lolita situation. People misinterpreted the book and thought it was true love and not pedophilia, so some adaptations are really... problematic, to say the least.
Here, the character wasn't pedo but someone interpreted them like that, so now, that's how everyone pictures him.
Basically. The original creator made it a point to not make the character that way. He even said as much in interviews. But whoever remade the film didn't care and wanted "shock value" so they slapped it on the character. Breaks my heart.
This one has happened across many fandoms but just the share number of times I have had women tell me that I am "fetishizing gay men" and "devaluing male friendship" for shipping two male characters together when **I am, myself, am a queer man.**
Any time the purity police show up it takes years off my life. Epscielaly since they have now twisted the narrative so that they can claim to be "protecting" LGBTQ+ people by trying to erase fandom representation.
I know it’s not really a “discourse” and is more of a pivotal argument, but the Team Iron Man vs Team Cap debate in the MCU fandom
I’ve seen fics that extremely favor one side, this goes for both sides of the argument by the way, and I just think “c-can we… just please compromise on the matter please?”
Not to delve into the argument itself but I personally lean Team Iron Man since I think the Avengers need some sort of legal failsafe to fall back on if shit hits the fan; but the Accords were *not* the right way
I actually had a fic idea where after Ross hands the copy of the Accords to the team and leaves, instead of arguing they manage to put aside their differences and take down the *real* villain of Civil War; Thaddeus Ross himself
I don’t mean to sound whiny but I really wished the Team IM vs Team Cap argument wasn’t so black and white
The good ol' "the 1-year age gap between a 15-year-old and 16-year-old is problematic especially because 16-year-old has been working longer at their shared part-time job than the 15-year-old"
...and the horrible "this character is abusive" "no that character is abusive" dramas about characters who aren't uwu soft babies who eventually develop and become better people
Back when *Star Trek Enterprise* was new, there was a whole kerfuffle about the fact that the NX-01 class (or which *Enterprise* was apart of) looked "too modern in relation to an *Akira*-class vessel design from the 24th century series (for those unfamiliar with Trek, ENT is a prequel set in the 2150s)
I just...... O_o
The "is Mr Darcy a virgin or not" discourse in the Jane Austen fandom. I stumbled across some old discussion threads on the subject and it's amusing how strongly some people seemed to feel about it.
I’d say:
1. Certain discourse about discourse (not this.) Analyzing media is…a thing. It’s annoying when people are exercising their literary analytical skills and people say, “Just shut up and be entertained!” Creativity is complex and deserves to be treated as such.
2. Really being called homophobic because I liked a straight ship in a work where there is 0 focus on romantic coupling. Mind you, I had said I liked the gay ship with the same character as well, and that shouldn’t even matter.
3. Two people ganging up on me and creating a whole conspiracy that when the author of the original work said “X character wears glasses when he meets new people, like when goes to meet girls,” he was not saying that X character meets girls, but rather was “intentionally spoiling” one panel where some girls happen to see him while he’s wearing glasses. Because of this, they said, I have grossly mischaracterized everything, and despite that work being my favorite series which I have reread countless times, I do not actually love it 💀
In the Wolfstar (Remus/Sirius) fandom within HP, people have been sending anonymous death threats on tumblr over which character is taller. I’ve only seen the tall!Remus people harassing the tall!Sirius people, but I’m sure there’s at least a little going the other way too. Tall!Sirius is mostly fandom olds, and it’s the opposite for tall!Remus.
It’s so stupid. It isn’t even an anti thing where they think they’re making some superior moral statement. It’s literally JUST over their heights.
Our fandom isn't so big but the original work has a comment section so you can imagine how that's going with different chapters.
We had a Character C say something horrible to Character A in the heat of the moment fight, our main character A who is currently in a sensitive state, struggling with beauty.
And the comment section went wild, so many people were mad. So mad that they basically forgot the heart of the work; disregarding Character C's character development, character and feelings bc many adore and care about Character A. I love her too but people were calling them insincere, a terrible human being, pure evil, everything insult under the sun.
And this has happened multiple times thru out the story, in multiple character arcs, where they're so emotional they forget the moral of the story. That everything isn't black or white, good people are capable of bad and vice versa. It's sad to see the heart be bulldozed like that bc people can't be bothered to think critically in an emotional situation.
That the Jedi deserved everything they got with Order 66 and deserved to be annihilated for stuff going back to the start of their history. Not just the main characters, but the side characters and the younglings too.
In the Fate fandom things are usually civil until someone asks about the watch order or even mentions Fate/Zero. I saw one moment when someone just asks something about F/Z and someone starts yelling about how you shouldnt start with it even though the question wasnt even about the watch order. When I tried to calm them down they just went mad. As much as the fandom complains about people recommending starting with Zero (which I personally recommend starting with) there are way more elitist claiming you have to start with the Deen version. While the elitist have been getting better, not claiming that anyone who hasnt read the original visual novel is not a true fan, they are still very toxic.
Also there are the toxic shippers who believe that every version of a love interest character have to love the original main character, even though the other versions havent met him, and propably wouldnt love him either.
Ironically enough the gatcha game Fate Grand Order has a much more friendly and welcoming fandom where the biggest problem is the Agartha chapter, but thankfully the fandom can agree on how bad it is.
Just recently the Helluva Boss fandom had a fight on whether or not Stolas had a dick or not. (Plus that thing with Stella but I find this more ridiculous and not to mention a certain wolf girl).
It was later confirmed that no he does not have one. Because bird anatomy. That led to pretty transphobic comments.
The Digimon fandom's insistence on "natural" evolutions, where "natural" is code for "extremely narrow and bland".
I've seen people question how birds turning into birds made sense because of this.
oof homestuck... stridercest was HUGE for a ton of years, and when the new gen of kids started to join around 2016 on, it started a ton of infighting. in the past plenty of people thought it was gross but like 🤷♀️ didn't really do anything and left people alone about it. now even a joke about it can get you harassed for days
in r/InsideJob there was like a bunch of posts that are about fans finding Reagan hot and attractive until one person made a [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/InsideJob/comments/vop15h/yall_are_weird/) that people finding Reagan hot is weird. OP there even says that it feels wrong to make r34 of her and demonize people for liking her. Basically those "Reagan likers" are fatherless and had no bitches But the thing is that Reagan is ok to be in r34 since she is in her 30s and an adult who has a job. + Inside Job is a cartoon made for adults that has inappropriate jokes, innuendos, bad languages and more.
Until someone [posted](https://www.reddit.com/r/InsideJob/comments/vpgig5/being_attracted_to_regan_isnt_weird/) that being Attracted to Reagan isn’t “weird.” It's ok to admire an animated character because it's normal. When the person is too obsessed with the character, that can be too strange.
Shipping, which is almost always the dumbest discourse, including the typical "A is [sexuality] so you can't make them [other sexuality] for your ship!", the old "I'll kill you if you dare ship incest or underage", the annoying "fuck you I declare my ship canon even though there's nothing to confirm it at all", and the mind-numbing arguments over whether you should ship the 30yo character that gets mistaken for a child multiple times but isn't a proper loli.
I've also seen people arguing over an evil bitch character not being a good villain because female characters need a reasoning behind their evil actions (as if she couldn't just have some personality disorder or actual reasons not explained to us since she's not a main character and we don't have to know everything about everyone). Btw the fandom is mostly fine with evil bitch male characters, yay for double standards?
But I think the dumbest discourse is people arguing about stuff that is entirely made-up by the fandom, and it's second only to powerscaling nonsense like "is Saitama stronger than XYZ from an entirely different franchise?".
Edit: forgot to add, people arguing over which human race the aliens from another universe are coded after. Plot twist, they were actually almost all coded after specific online communities and tropes.
Certain corners of the Miraculous Ladybug fandom used to get into screaming meltdown fights over which relationship in the main love square was the best. They probably still do come to think of it. The twist that makes it particularly stupid in this case is that the four couples of the love square are literally the same two characters each time, just with secret identity hijinks. But again, still the same two characters.
Whether or not the colors of the set design or a character’s shirt was a hint from the show writers to the viewers that the character in question was bi.
Both the actor playing the character and the show writers stated that no, there was no underlying message to be found, yet the shippers still debated it. Some say they’re still doing so to this day…
Who had a worse childhood
Like one main character (A) was ignored all his childhood while the other (B) was traumatised rather badly.
Both pretty horrible things, but there's people arguing like: "No, you can't do this and this in your story, because it makes no sense as character B had it much worse than character A" (to be noted that this thing also happened in reverse). This isn't a fucking pity contest
The unending ship war in a popular anime fandom, I haven’t even interacted with that fandom since 2014 when the manga run ended, because of how toxic some of the fans are but a few weeks ago I decided to scroll the tags on tumblr and oh god it’s seem like nothing has changed since then. Basically there are two opposing ships, one became canon while the other one did not. People still ship the sunken ship, which bothers fans of the canon ship, I
understand why they’re bothered by it to extend but some of these people act like it’s a great sin to ship a alternative non-canon ship like it devalues canon in their eyes or something. These people are in the tags, the replies, reblog, etc stating their dissatisfaction with people shipping something else, it’s sad. I think these people lose sleep just because someone dares not like the canon ship. I prefer the sunken ship, I think has more development, canon is canon, I just disregard it and ship what I want. Canon divergence baby! Why are you so insecure that people ship something else, your ship is literally canon?! Lmao 🤣
**South Park.** Some people (mostly antis) started saying that Towlie (a character that is basically just a towel that likes to get high) was a minor because he was 17 in TOWEL YEARS(?? so it was wrong to ship him with other characters. I wish I were kidding.
What are... What are towel years?
I want to say "I wish I knew" but I don't think I do.
Like "dog years," but linty-er?
Aren’t most of the popular characters and by extension ships from South Park 4th graders tho?? Why do people even care about Towlie when you have a 9-year-old wannabe Hitler?? The fact that the antis even bother with the SP fandom is beyond comprehension.
The fact that there are South Park antis in the first place is so hilarious to me. That show has 4th graders involved in all sorts of "problematic" scenarios that should be bad by anti standards.
I’m so sorry, I’m sure this situation was extremely frustrating in context, but “towel years” made me lose it laughing lol
Why would you even bother discoursing if you're in the South Park fandom though???
Because it's hard to avoid discourse when people go onto others' profiles to harass them for shipping (even if it is a crack ship). I myself particularly didn't engage in it (mostly saw it all over my twitter feed 'cause I'm in the fandom), and most of the comments usually ended with "dude, it's South Park", but some were still adamant with the minor/towel years nonsense, so even if you block sometimes it's kind of unavoidable.
I want to know what a towel year is.
I am dying 😂😂😂😂😂 It's already batshit crazy to me that people *want to* ship Towlie with anyone, but then you factor in this angle, and I am howling on the floor.
Idk what's wilder, the concept of towel years or shipping someone with a towel.
OMG I heard about that nonsense and I laughed my ass off Dear Lord 🤦♀️
*TOWEL YEARS* 😂😂😂😂
...what? No. Seriously. *What?!?!*
Jesus Christ.
Whether a certain male character topping was racist or not. This led to the exposure of the main anti as a white woman who faked her race for clout.
I think the initial discussion about LGBTQ+ men of colour portrayals in media in the early days of the fandom was so interesting but it devolved so quickly into "you're racist" "no you're racist" it was infuriating.
Agreed. There was some potential in the discussion but it got derailed into a barrel of crap.
It's especially sad when the clout seekers cause real damage.
Yeah, the death threats and harassment were definitely a thing in this fandom.
I hate that I know who this is about...
This was literally the situation I thought about when I opened this thread... Kind of amazing that even with a piece of media that gave us almost "perfect" LGBTQ representation, to the degree that you can say such a thing exists, fans still found a way to be miserable shitlords to each other about it.
That Hannibal and Will is problematic because of the age gap and not you know the fact that Hannibal manipulated Will and the whole (spoilers) Hannibal eats people thing. I still can’t tell if the person was joking or not… considering how some people will consider a two year age gap a big deal it might not be a joke.
That's hilarious to me because 1) I was reading some Hannibal/Will earlier tonight after not for a few years 2) I looked up their ages cause I couldn't remember for the life of me and 3) Will is 38 and Hannibal is 49 and like, that's no where near an age gap level of bad? Especially at those ages? Like that's straight up considered middle age to most people. I hope whoever said that was joking lol But also the whole, manipulation and like murder and human consumption thing. That should ultimately be more problematic I would agree lmao
Yeah, I could understand if Will was 18 or something and Hannibal was 29 but an 11 year gap isn’t a big deal when both characters are adults.
People freaking out about relationships featuring serial killers being "problematic" is always so funny to me. I mean, I'm all for fluffy and wholesome serial killer romances, don't get me wrong, and I also totally get some people don't want to read toxic romances. That's fair. But going on a rant when a villain acts like a villain in a fic is silly. He *eats people*, what did you expect?
I've been in a few fandoms where the source material is really dark, but then the fandom puts a light spin on things and seems upset when other people don't view it the same way? Fannibals in my experience usually embrace the dark parts of the show, so this probably applies more to other series I've encountered. But yeah, it's weird. You kind of wonder why they're even into such a series in the first place?? One fandom of mine is Killing Stalking, and I feel like a lot of people 100% wouldn't be there if it weren't for the gay stuff. But it's just strange sometimes because they outright reject the most, IMO, essential parts of canon and reimagine the story as something fluffy. Each to their own I guess, but the people who get judgey about those who enjoy the actual darkness of such a series are weird.
The Hannibal fandom is full of that mindset. I saw someone talk about the problematic age difference between Hannibal & Abigail the other day, and the fact that they're "family". Like, are we ignoring the fact that >!Hannibal murdered Abigail! And how on earth are they family. Will and Hanni's weird paternal manifestation of guilt doesn't make them actual fathers.
I love that you put a spoiler on the fact that Hannibal eats people lol
That shipping two characters was incest because they have found family vibes, and grooming because one of them was a year and a half younger than the other and a former hikikomori.
That's similar to my ship. Antis try to argue that it's incest because Character Js father looks after character H and they go to the same high school They also think that it's inappropriate because they're a YEAR apart. The reality is that they're not related. Some.people.just need to touch grass.
"Go touch some grass" is a rallying cry for the bastions of reasonabiliy on the internet.
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If that's the ship I'm thinking of, I wanna add my two cents. I'm autistic and grew up believing I was too weird to be romanced by anybody. (Now I am happily coupled, thank you!) I get why people have issues with that ship, but I saw something of myself in the hikikkomori character and I was glad to see someone kind of like me was portrayed as a viable romantic partner. >!Plus it isn't anywhere near the most problematic ship in that work!<
Debates on whether it's ok to write darkfic.... in the Slasher Fandom
\*facepalms\*
Imagining all the classic slasher villains in something like a fluffy coffee shop AU and don’t know whether to laugh or smile
This one made me burst out laughing.
I’ve seen it in a bunch of different fandoms, but I always think top vs bottom discourse is pretty dumb. Like having a preference and only wanting to read/write it one way is fine, but spending time arguing with strangers online, compiling evidence such as “but he’s taller!” “But he says mean things!” and getting genuinely angry about it is just very… weird to me.
It's a glorious mess of "are you confusing this with dom/sub or do you just genuinely think having darker hair means you don't enjoy penetrative sex". I did my time in the seme/uke battlefield, I refuse to play "so who's the wife" with people who wanna recreate Ancient Greece out here
I read the last bit in the tone of Sirius “I did my waiting! Twelve years of it! In Azkaban!!” speech On a more serious note, I 100% agree that this discourse was stupid then and even stupider now.
“-Do you just genuinely think having darker hair means you don’t enjoy penetrative sex.” Omg I’m cackling. That is legit the type of argument people will use. Every time I see someone say something like that I’m just desperately hoping that they never meet and say that crap too a real gay person
It’s completely understandable why there are queer men who have issues with slash/yaoi/BL when you read about that kind of idiocy being said with total conviction
> "but he's taller!" Reminds me of the genshin fandom. People are trying to argue wether Childe or Zhongli ist taller, even though that they have THE SAME BASE MODEL IN GAME. Honestly who cares which on is taller, that doesn't make them automarically a top.
Comedy option: Zhongli uses his adeptus shapeshifting power to fuck with Childe by being the exact same height as him no matter what shoes he's wearing. (Real talk, why do people use height/who tops as a way of copypasting heteronormative rules onto a queer pairing, it's so gross)
Your last point is why I as a straight person can’t stand a lot of BL. It feels so stereotypical and it feels like the top is always aggressive and the bottom doesn’t have any backbone. Like last time I checked gay men have personalities. And it says a lot about the internalized sexism some people might have if they are projecting m/f gender roles onto m/m. I have read a few that I liked though, but that was because the characters actually had personalities.
My fandom had the same discourse, in which they insisted that the canon gay character is obviously a bottom, because he's "submissive" (again putting a kink dynamic in the wrong context) and because there's a scene where he dances in a way that they interpreted to be, idk, the way a bottom dances? They also said they didn't know what show we were watching to get to the conclusion that [character] could top, and the answer is we all watched the same show where penetrative sex between those characters was never shown on screen so nothing is canon like they so passionately claimed. A true nothingburger of a "discourse" but the way one person and their acolytes took to it was baffling. Luckily most of the fandom was made up of grownups who did not engage and the whole thing died down.
I wrote for a few Thai BL fandoms during lockdown, and got this one A LOT because of the way I wrote a specific pairing. Thai BL very often has that whole seme/uke bullshit going on and boxes the characters into sex positions based on personality traits in the actual canon of the series. The main show I was writing for though had the guy who liked a lot of those stereotypical "bottom" activities such as cooking specifically say that he had zero desire to bottom, and his more traditionally masculine partner mentioning that he doesn’t have any problems with bottoming. It was such a refreshing reversal that I was STOKED to write it that way, but boy howdy did I get flack for it. My favorite was someone on wattpad saying my fics were good, but could I please write Character B as more masculine? I very sarcastically replied that "Character B is a man, so everything he does is masculine, including taking a dick in the ass."
It also seems to me fundamentally homophobic. Like, the ship I’ve just fallen into lately is my first major m/m ship since my Drarry days and its like. Some people can’t conceptualize how to make a queer ship actually queer, one of the characters needs to be the woman. So they make one this like sad soft needs to be held boy who can only ever bottom and like. I’m not explaining it well but it just doesn’t 100% sit right for me with the way it’s done.
It’s also sexist because if the bottom is supposed to be the woman then it says a lot of how they think of women in relationships . And considering most people who write m/m are probably women, that’s even more concerning.
Shipping discourse. Especially Stranger Things shipping discourse
Yeah, the Stranger Things fandom is really going through it right now. Especially here on reddit, where there's the unfortunate combo of young people from twitter and older folks from facebook... absolutely wild culture clash.
Cultural anthropologists must love this shit
Oh absolutely, I'm just an amateur and I'm having a field day. I've got a survey out about it right now and the responses have been fascinating so far.
I’m not even in the fandom but the amount of nonsensical shit I’ve seen pop up on my feed is insane. Praying for y’all
Thank u <3 I’m just like, who are the people who have time and energy for endless hours of shipping discourse??
Oh nooo!! You can't ship them!! They had like three scenes togheter!! It will never be canon. 🙄🙄 Watch me, child. 🗿
I see this particular sentiment cropping up a lot in the Total Drama fandom, too. People come up with the wildest ships, but there's *always* a way to make it work, imo. But there's always someone out there sneering at the thought. My OTP gets a lot of flack for this, too. So what did I do? I made an entire post picking apart all their canon interactions to prove why they *could* work, haha. Try and stop me now...
Also "it'll never be canon" the original shippers, middle aged Spock/Kirk shippers in the 70s, knew it'd never be canon but that didn't stop them!
Oh boy. Here's me legit shipping Eddie with Henry Creel. Yes I am bending canon backwards to write a ficcy about it.
Live your best crackfic shipping life! Literally none of it is real so ship whatever you want!
Lmao will do.
Please share the link 👀👀 Sounds like just the kind of crack head energy I need right now
It's not done yet. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PORN. Then it went and grew a plot. So here I am, writing plot into my porn.
> IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PORN. Why does that always seem to happen? I'm 90K into a "it was supposed to be porn" fic lol
Ooooo good luck. I dunno if I have it in me to write long fics like that lol so I'm trying to keep this as a one shot.
Dumbest I’ve ran into is short adults don’t exist. Apparently if a guy is not 6 foot he is not an adult.
For as long as I live, I will NEVER understand this line of "thinking". I just...how the hell do these people even manage to get through the day?
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Lmao 99% of the guys I know don't exist. 💀
"the age gap of two years is problematic!"
*sweats in OTP's 31 year age gap*
"Hello? Cancel Police? We've got a live one here." 😂
*You'll never take me alive!*
*\*TikTok sirens intensify\**
The Yuri on Ice fandom had a fight about how to spell Victor’s name. Throughout the entire series and in all the extra material (like merch) his name is spelled with a “c” when it’s written in the Roman alphabet. But a segment of the fanbase decided the creators were wrong and insist on spelling his name with a “k”. This became big enough that “Character’s name spelled as Viktor” is an established tag on AO3.
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This whole thread is absolutely hilarious. YOI was one of those shows I watched, loved, but never felt the need to seek out fanfiction for. I honestly laughed out loud at the dish washing thing and also the tag mentioned at the end of the original comment 😆
...is Victor allergic to dish soap or something?
Victor must have to spend a lot of money replacing kitchenware if he's not cleaning it.
Why can't they _both_ wash the dishes? Or is that too taboo in the YOI fandom?
Is this why I have absolutely zero idea how to spell his name?? I thought I just kept forgetting stuff because I was so distracted by the pretty anime and ice skating.....
I know nothing about this show but I always thought it was Viktor. Lol.
Oh, that's why a lot of people YOI content is mixed with Arcane's Viktor.
Ohh! That reminds me of the time I was new to the fandom and started using Yuuri and Yuri just to try and make clear which character I was talking about in comments (And cuz it was what most of the authors of fanfics I’d already read did), and I made a comment complimenting a fic and they seemingly got mad and wrote a pretty lengthy message that ended with, “In future comments refer to them as Yuri K and Yuri P.” Which was nothing by itself, but even in their summary it was really condescending about how the creators don’t know shit about shit or something like that, so it was just a funny situation all around. I remember eventually dropping the fic because the writing felt like it was going in an infinite loop of the same drama over and over for such a very long work. Anyway, I don’t know how the fandom made it such a big deal which name to use—Like I know that after reading more about it there seems to be two schools of thought of using just the canon names and nicknames, or using what fans perceive as closer to how their original language would spell it. 🤷🏽♀️ — I really don’t even care which is right, I just want to enjoy a fic!! I just feel like I end up following the cues from the author if it’s a comment nowadays.
Going from a non-roman alphabet to a roman one will usually always result in multiple ways to spell something. But the YoI fandom is one where I’ve seen actual debates on it. Which is funnier because it’s one of the few that gave Romanizations of the main characters’ names in the actual animation at the very start. So it’s not just a debate on the translators end. I admit I like to use Yuuri vs Yuri to differentiate the two. But I also acknowledge that “Yuri” is the actual way the creators intended to spell both so I’ve never been bothered by either. The Victor vs Viktor debate doesn’t have the excuse of trying to clarify what character is being spoken about. So it feels more like the fans deciding they know more than the creator on what is “proper” for a character’s name. But in the end I don’t really care. It’s just a bizarre issue to decide needs to be changed.
Spirk vs. Spones vs. McKirk. Just buy the boys a king sized bed and be done with it. That and people who felt they needed to make Uhura into a major bitch just to break up Spyota. Not necessary. People can and do change partners and remain friends.
"No, I'm being reassigned *off* of The *Enterprise*." " . . . " \*tap tap tap\* "Yes, I believe you are." "Thank you\~"
I second this so damn much! Ugh! Also the king sized bed for the boys made me laugh way too hard! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ah, the trials of being an unpicky multishipper. (Of course, that also means I have fic out there for all three of those ships, plus the multi, plus a bunch with rarepairs (Scones is the best ship name, though Uhotty is close.)
We “argued”, all in good fun, over what colour the main characters hair was in season 2. It was called Hairgate and honestly it was hilarious and I have very fond memories of that time
I think this is the one time I’m like “I’m pretty sure I know what this ambiguous fandom is…”
If I’m on Twitter, there’s discourse about *everything*. If I’m not, the sun is shining and the grass is greener.
I personally think the dumbest discourse in the ASOIAF and Game of Thrones fandom is, if Jon Snow is Rhaegar's son, what his Targaryen name might be. There are some who seem to practically take offense that he'd even have a Targaryen name at all. I personally don't see why it's a detail that needs to be hung on. I gave him a name I liked; I honestly didn't put much thought into it beyond me liking it. But it's a thread that pops up periodically and I just don't see why there need to be so many threads dedicated to a question that doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things.
As long as he isn't named Aejon (seriously, whoever came up with that name deserves to have their pillow warm on both sides), I'm good with any Valyrian or non-Valyrian name an author might pick for him.
Honestly, I think it should just depend on your story. If Jon is going to embrace being a Targ but not become king, Aemon, if he’s gonna be a badass fighter, Daemon, if you’re going 100% in line with the show, Aegon, if he’s gonna be a good king, Jaeherys, and if he’s going to stick to his Stark roots, just stay with Jon and say his mom didn’t get the name him.
Why should there be any category though? Why does it matter? It doesn't.
Harry potter and the shipping wars get quite exhausting. “Dont like this ship? Why”
Shipping wars in general are exhausting
Ha!! Honestly ALL the character wars are the exhausting. It’s always ‘Hermione is the best thing since sliced bread’ vs ‘Hermione is a beyoocchhhh for ____, ___, and ____.” Or ‘Ron is a useless abusive wuss,’ vs ‘Ron is a relatable underdog,’ and don’t get me started on Snape discourse!! I think the only character we can all agree on is Umbridge being Satan.
one of my least favourite things about hp fandom these days is flattening all characters into “good” or “bad”. for all the series faults, the one thing it did really well was create nuanced characters with real strengths and flaws. why write a character off completely? someone like snape is so interesting and you don’t have to be an anti or a stan to appreciate his place in the story.
Get? They've been exhausting for two decades now.
The number of stripes on a main character's shirt. Are there three??? Or five?? (Ok it wasn't really serious discourse, but it was a topic that I saw a strangely large amount of attention devoted to. I love my fandom.) On a more serious note another fandom of mine was debating the ethnicity of a character: is she European, or Asian? Thing is, this character is *an alien from the moon*. She's.... neither. But the author's official website states that the character has white and Asian physical features. So I'm not sure why this debate even needed to happen in the first place.
Haha I think I'm in both of these fandoms
There was discourse about whether a couple with a 10-ish year age gap was toxic. One problem: both the characters were over 800 years old. I don't think the age gap matters that much anymore...
Lemme guess, tgcf?
Yup! That whole drama was wild lol
Team Ironman vs. Team Captain America. The sheer amount of division among the fans over who was "right" in *Captain America: Civil War* was beyond stupidity, considering that you weren't supposed to be completely on either side of the conflict. Both have a point, and both are wrong in some way. But nope, a lot of people took that movie and boiled it down to "Tony wrong" or "Cap wrong".
I'm still on Team "Let Bucky eat his plums dammit". That whole movie was so frustrating.
I am also Team Bucky all the way!
Shit, I'm still on team Sharon Carter deserves better but the MCU fandom isn't ready for that conversation.
I actually argued with my brother about this. Largely because his argument against Steve was "But no, Bucky is his best friend from Brooklyn", completely ignoring that more than that, Bucky was his brother in all but blood, had saved Steve's life while still getting his memories back, and was brainwashed the entire time he was Winter Soldier. In the end, Civil War ended the way a lot of civil wars do. No one really winning in the end, and a lot of unhappy people. Tony and Steve both dropped the ball in a lot of ways.
No argument there. Everyone played right into Zemo's hands.
so it was basically a marvel version of the team jacob vs team edward thing, I see
And the argument got a revival on twitter recently... I wanted to cry. When will people learn that no side was completely in the right, or in the wrong, and that's what's so good about it.
\*looks up from the genshin fandom and fire emblem\* where would we even start? one of them has ship wars, the other has ship wars + war criminal debates. There is no winning lol (I have since squirrelled myself into one of my favourite rarepairs to avoid it all. Don't have the energy to engage and honestly think it's better that way.)
Don’t forget the discourse on if this obviously adult character is a minor because they’re “short”
The whole minor corded bs fills my nightmares.
*Gets called a pedophile for shipping two teenagers together despite being around the same age as them*
The existence of Childe added the war crime discourse. And then there's Dottore who has another league on his own.
Yeah pretty much :, D feels like the genshin fandom never runs out of things to get up in arms about these days smh. like people will find the time to argue about SOMETHING and it's just so exhausting.
Anniversary is coming up as well. I hope they are kinder to Google Classroom this time.
Lets be honest, Genshin fandom has way more problems than ship wars and war criminal debates. I mean a content creator was receiving so much hate for literally just saying "Drip" on an official art of a coming character. Who tf gets mad for someone saying "Drip"?
I like villains. Characters being war criminals only enhances the experience for me
We argue over who's a war criminal and who's not constantly
Spoiler alert: It's all of them.
Fire Emblem 3 Houses go brrrrrr Love me some war criminals in Fire Emblem. #Edelgarddidnothingwrong And my crimson flower rewrite stands by that
Yeah, the Edelgard discourse. The problem is the people who go noooo she's not a war criminal and blah blah blah It's possible to like war criminal characters! Acknowledging that she did some shit and still liking her without bashing any of the other lords is based.
Edelgard woke up one day and decided that "Be gay, do crime" was basic bitch shit and "Be gay, do war crime" was more appropriate for her.
Just some fact: -You can or cannot agree with Edelgard's ideas -She did wrong -She also instigated the change to a better Fodlan, independently if she is defeated -For once in history, she was right when she said lizard people controlled the world -Edelgard is not a hero, but neither is she a villain -Morally grey characters exists -She did not deserve what the fuck happened to her at the end of Azure Gleam
One of my fandoms started a petition to ban the showrunners from introducing a love interest to the MC... Because, they wanted to preserve the "OC Community" I shit you not. They actually thought they could force showrunners not to introduce ANY romance at all, so people could uninterrupted ship their OC's. I was an OC writer in this fandom at the time and cringing because these people were already way too intense and full of drama.
There's a ton of dumb discourse in the Miraculous Ladybug fandom. One of the things that really gets me is people arguing that Marinette deserves to be punished for things she didn't even do.
Ooh boy, the Miraculous Ladybug fandom can be quite exhausting.
The most popular ship in my fandom is based on a really queerbaity scene, and when I first saw the scene I was like “fine! I’ll ship them for real!” Then got in way too deep and it seems like many other people do too. It’s also a really wholesome series, so some people at like it’s “lewd” to draw these two girls so much as hugging even tho there’s a wholeass scene where one of the girls confesses her feelings and then says she’s joking and they also hug in said scene and also their other best friend draws yaoi on various occasions
* a fan made a fake audio where they tried to prove that they were a "real" fan of one of the characters by cutting off their finger, even though it sounded very obviously fake a bunch of people bought into it * a still ongoing argument about whether it's okay to headcanon one character as a trans girl because they crossdressed for most of their life * one character, in his official illustration, wore a very generic, black military hat with a fairly generic design on it, and people immediately declared it nazi symbolism. i agree that the designs are uncomfortably similar but considering he doesn't even wear it in the game and it's only present in that one illustration, probably out of carelessness, it's hardly a problem. * "did this character who murdered someone and planned to get everyone else killed do something wrong? because in his defense, he's a very nice person." * one character had a sprite holding a dildo (that, to my knowledge, has never been released uncensored) and, when this leaked before the game's english release, people were losing their shit over it existing at all. the sprite was never used in the game. obviously. * whether a certain ship should be considered incestuous because one character was taken in as a child and raised to serve the other character. she wasn't even adopted into the family in any capacity, to say they "raised" her is an overstatement in itself because they were just training her to be a tool.
I read the first bullet point and knew what it was. I think the most fun argument I've seen in this series are the hair/eye colors of the characters. "XXXXX has pink hair!" "No, she is a strawberry blonde!" "XXXXXXX has yellow eyes!" "No, he has silver eyes!" I think the best part of this debate is that, depending on the sprite, or the official art, the colors can change. I've seen people get upset about it, though I have to admit, I've also had discussions with my friends about it.
people who are willing to start arguments on official colours of characters need to be forced to look at JoJo painted illustrations
Standard thing, two big named ships clashing heads. I was squirreled away into my unrelated OTP so I missed a lot of the fights, but my friend liked one of the big named ships. Legitimately, once she expressed her love of it and received a message screaming at her and then she got blocked by that user. Like, "Y'all, chill out!"
Standard fandom drama
God there's so many and I hate them all. Whether or not a certain subset of the population is actively discriminated against. Why X character is fine but Y character isn't. The exact laws the society has in place. And the ever famous "why x ship is toxic"
Reading though this post makes me feel 100x better about some of the shit I’ve seen. I’m in a fandom now where ship insecurity has birthed a group of very dedicated antis whose life’s mission is to posit that the ex-boyfriend of a guy in their preferred ship is an evil genius with a level of devotion and brilliance that even Moriarty could not begin to fathom. The funniest thing I’ve seen was a multi-thread analysis of how this character not having enough phone chargers in his basement (as portrayed by a teeny throwaway corner panel of his living space) was a deliberate machination to subtly break down communication between the main couple in the manga, thereby indirectly and subtly ruining the chemistry of his ex-boyfriend’s band and forcing the band to fail. The most recent hilarious thing I saw was that his “sharp eye design” in a panel while he was as giving the MC advice was a “visual signal from the author that he is hiding ulterior motives,” and intends to take advantage of the MC while the MC is in a state of emotional weakness. I can’t even recall half the crazy other “analyses” I’ve seen in this vein. This guy is a musician in a low-key slice-of-life manga. You really cannot make some of this stuff up. I honestly ran out of steam three times even trying to type this up, but nothing qualifies more as “stupidest discourse” than some of what I’ve seen in this fandom. I also play Genshin, which is a buffet of beautiful discourse. My most recent point of curiosity is that I haven’t yet figured out what the hell is wrong with Yae/Ayato except that they’re in every other “DNI” I’ve seen. I haven’t yet had the pleasure of stumbling upon the full Yae/Yato anti manifesto, though. It’s sure to be a good one too.
…Is the first fandom Given, by any chance? I always just thought Ugetsu was an interesting character to be honest — plus as he’s already broken up with Akihiko I’m not sure what else there would be to get mad about, surely it doesn’t matter as they’re not together any more!
I've seen people legitimately argue that one female lead character was abusive to the male main character because she yelled at him once because she was stressed and wanted him to go away. She maybe did that some more off-screen. After the first time she's noted to feel bad, and she apologizes later. The MMC seems to forgive her, as he tells her why he's hiding his emotions from the world (something he didn't tell his childhood friend when she asked) showing a level of willingness to be emotionally vulnerable. After they make up the two seem to be quite close, but... FMC is apparently abusive because... she got carried away and tried to get him to eat a frog. (MMC canonically eats rocks, and we don't know if he even ended up eating the frog. Also, FMC gets done dirty by the fandom a *lot.*) Edit: Grammar
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It's not just a fandom thing, either. Like mention anywhere on Reddit that your significant other did something that's (as you put it) not an ideal response, and you'll have people coming out of the woodwork telling you to leave this person because they're human garbage and so on and so forth.
Pretty sure this one is a combination of misogyny, teenager-hating, and character bashing for the sake of making a rival ship look better. While I have no data to prove it, (so maybe take this with a grain of salt) male characters who IMO were actually bad and definitely worse get their actions dismissed by the same fandom corners that argue this far more often. In addition, in other discussion about FMC, I have literally had people say that FMC was being immature and irresponsible because they were immature at that age and clearly all teenagers were just like them. Not only is she a \*gasp\* teenage girl, there's also a rival ship due to a love V. (MMC is in the point/middle.) Since the female character for the rival ship is best summarized as "nice and gentle" and there really isn't anything like this one can use against her, putting down FMC in this way is an easy way to make the rival ship seem better in comparison. One can discredit the bond MMC and FMC form far easier if they paint FMC as abusive. There are also probably a number of people in better faith who literally don't know that FMC and MMC made up due to the way the story is presented or didn't know that she was snapping due to stress because they missed that context. \*Sighs\*
>MMC canonically eats rocks If this is about Link from BOTW, oh man, on my save file that poor boy had to eat burnt up wood too. The sword trials were *rough*, gotta get hearts *somehow*.
I feed my Link a diet of 95% cooked hearty durians and mighty bananas, so I imagine my Link isn't too happy with the variety in his diet. Now that I think about it... I don't think I've made him eat wood yet. \*Rubs hands together evilly\*
Breath of the Wild go brrrrrr
The only thing stronger than Link is his stomach.
Ugh, I've seen something similar in one of my fandoms. Oh, no, she rolled her eyes at the guy a couple times, or made a joking/snarky remark to him. The horror. Clearly this makes her the bitchiiest bitch to ever bitch.
The bored antis who arrived after the show ended and the fandom was starting to die down to complain about these “problematic” ships that were not popular and hadn’t be *in two years* at that point and then got mad when they were told to simply mind their business. Ignoring the obvious, “it’s fiction” thing, you had to *DIG* to even find content about these two ships, so I literally don’t get what they were mad at.
A character's hair is a little wavy when it used to be straight. CLEARLY THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT PORTRAYING THIS CHARACTER AUTHENTICALLY.
In Gravity Falls, the great debate on the character Mabel. The Mabel-hate movement seemed to have simmered now, but every now and then someone will emerge and post a rant why the character is poorly written and how she was a bad selfish sister to her brother Taken out of context, her actions might seem selfish. And she does have some responsibility for causing the apocalypse. But she does have her insecurities, especially as her twin brother got closer with a new mentor and neglected to spend time with his sister. And her teasing was also part and parcel of thr sibling relationship. Though Dipper do take them to heart. Mabel shrugs off whatever that was tossed at her.
As much as I didn't like what Mabel did, she's like, 12. I knew girls like her growing up. The worst part about Disney series that get this level of traction is that adults project their ideas and morals onto actual children and can't understand how a child can act like a child.
There’s regular discussions about whether or not a certain group of people *deserved* genocide or not - used to get angry about it, now it just makes me laugh
The Good Omens (TV adaptation specifically) fandom had a discourse over whether it's sexist to make Crowley a bottom because it's like saying all women should be bottoms always? Like, honey, this is a demon who is canonically sexless, what are you on about
Snape in Harry Potter. Need I say more? But also The Ballad of Ms. Scribe in the 90s... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DZd78WLQY&feature=youtu.be
The Snape War is one of the reasons I left the Harry Potter fandom years and years ago. Still love it, still enjoy reading fics, but I never interact. It's so tiring
Whether shipping two canonically adult characters with an age gap is creepy
My main fandom has so. much. stupid. discourse, but the one specific to the ship I mainly write for is people claiming they're siblings because, wait for it, their hair colour is almost the same. Never mind that they're completely different in-game races and come from completely different corners of the map. It's gotten to the point that in every comment section for them, you can be guaranteed that someone will drop in and parrot "Aren't they siblings...?" with absolutely nothing to back it up. It's tiring :')
Please, god... pick a direction and in all 360 degrees you'll hit something happening in Star Wars🤦 Every fandom with war-criminal discourse I feel your pain. Every fandom with "is shipping a nebulous non-biological pseudo-familial pair considered incest or not" discourse, I understand the struggle. Every fandom with "nobody can agree on what this one incredibly convoluted, highly variable central word **actually means** and how it's supposed to be interpreted in the narrative itself" I goddamn raise a toast. Lemme have my dumbass "nobody in the Skywalker family is actually blond" discourse, it's much funnier than arguing over the *many* distinct types of slavery and genocides in the GFFA and how one man's "hee hee hoo hoo glowy blade" vision dunks so hard on fascism, the Vietnam war, and Bush-era politics while simultaneously blundering its way through a buffet of racist/Orientalist "yeah I'll incorporate that unthinkingly into my made-up universe" ideas and portrayals. It's basically a circular firing squad out there, and frankly any franchise where kids are out playing with capes and bonking each other on the head with cardboard tubes does NOT deserve this level of self-serious digging-in-the-trenches discourse warfare
Reading all this, I'm so glad my fandom has been dead for years. *Goes back to happily playing alone.*
Whether or not a race of people in the setting laid eggs, it was pretty great honestly.
In my main fandom, there is quite a bit of discourse. The main one I see all the time is related to people saying that you can't ship the characters because they're a family. Most of them aren't related to each other at all, but people still claim that they're a family, and that shipping them is wrong. It gets really tiring to see, especially since I do ship some of the characters. People also have discourse over my favorite ship from this fandom. They claim that it's abusive and say that the fans who ship them are awful for doing so. If it was a real relationship, it could be considered abusive, but the characters aren't real so it shouldn't really matter. I've also recently seen people saying that the ship is "debunked" due to recent events in canon, so people are also saying that people shouldn't ship it because of that. I've seen quite a bit of drama and discourse in this fandom and a few of my other fandoms, but those are the main ones that come to mind right now.
Ah yes, we fandom members who spend our time creating/consuming non-canon content should stop shipping something because it's *checks notes* not canon.
There's so much stupid discourse in Genshin Impact solely because the fanbase hasn't learned the difference between fanon projection, "coding"/stereotyping, and how the "inspiration vs. representation" discussion works. Hall of Fame for me of the discourse: \- "Venti is a minor" discourse, over a thousands of years old shapeshifter god \- "Shipping a Russian coded character with a Chinese coded character is racist" discourse, over Zhongli x Childe. \- "Kaeya x Diluc is incest" discourse, when there are localization issues that CN fans have pointed out time and time again that the localization team erases the sworn brother trope out and that it's purposely left out for interpretation from the fans. \- EiMiko vs, YaeYato shippers still at war, because many WLW shippers in the fandom lean more anti or push the "this character is coded as X" as an argument than acknowledging most of their ships getting alluded to is actually for marketing purposes. This also happens with KaeLuc fans being harassed my other shippers as well from previous discourse as well. \- The whole discussion about Sumeru being "representation" when actually they should be making the "inspiration" argument, trying to put the devs under their moral pedastel because they are making the marketing choice to appeal to their base instead of... \*checks notes\* making their own fix-it content themselves to get what they want??? (*I'd personally exclude the actual criticism of harmful stereotypes in the characters designs from this discourse being dumb*, but not the whole denouncing of a region or character bashing over skin color without giving the story a chance. I'd still say the story and area itself needs a chance or just stop playing the game it its too much). This comment would turn into a novel if I had to get started in Ensemble Stars shipping discourse.
I'm not even IN the genshin Fandom and I'll ship Kaeluc I l follow Diluc's VA on Twitter (he's a cool dude) and he apparently doesn't like interacting with Genshin fans... But he's REALLY GOOD at trolling antis. Antis go "omg he ships Kaeluc gross why are English va's like this" and he doesn't even ship it. He's literally "ship and let ship, just don't involve me in your discourse". Shout out to "dogey", my favorite tweet of his. His attitude towards antis and watching antis froth at the mouth over Kaeluc made me start shipping it out of spite. I just like the art, people do a great job of it. (apparently the CN Fans are real sick of western fans and their nonsense over this. I am not surprised.)
I don't even want to get into the most annoying/pervasive stuff in my fandom, but the most impressively bad take I ever saw was the person that argued that (paraphrasing): 'these children who were literally tortured by their parents don't complain about it, so clearly it was okay to torture them in the first place. They should have run away and tried to become better people, so it's their fault.' I saved a screenshot of it I was so impressed. 'the actual worst take.png'
Stranger Things Fandom… There are the typical shipping wars ofc, which never make any sense, but basically… people are hating on the Eddie X Chrissy ship because of the age gap. Said age gap is 1-2 years. Chrissy is 18 (confirmed now) and Eddie is 19-20. People are saying that its weird but… I honestly have no words.
Maybe not dumb to most but damn exhausting for me is the discourse of OG vs Remake. The remake of my fandom basically turned my favorite character into a pedophile while the OG was **not** one and never meant to be one, and the remake basically spit in the eye of the OG creator who passed away. It kills me because now I'm constantly haunted by the fear of dealing with "but they're a pedo!" comments. Luckily not on AO3 because these people don't read my works but gaaaaaaaah Tumblr had it out for anything in that fandom for a while.
Looks like an inverse of the Lolita situation. People misinterpreted the book and thought it was true love and not pedophilia, so some adaptations are really... problematic, to say the least. Here, the character wasn't pedo but someone interpreted them like that, so now, that's how everyone pictures him.
Basically. The original creator made it a point to not make the character that way. He even said as much in interviews. But whoever remade the film didn't care and wanted "shock value" so they slapped it on the character. Breaks my heart.
Nightmare on Elm Street?
This one has happened across many fandoms but just the share number of times I have had women tell me that I am "fetishizing gay men" and "devaluing male friendship" for shipping two male characters together when **I am, myself, am a queer man.** Any time the purity police show up it takes years off my life. Epscielaly since they have now twisted the narrative so that they can claim to be "protecting" LGBTQ+ people by trying to erase fandom representation.
I know it’s not really a “discourse” and is more of a pivotal argument, but the Team Iron Man vs Team Cap debate in the MCU fandom I’ve seen fics that extremely favor one side, this goes for both sides of the argument by the way, and I just think “c-can we… just please compromise on the matter please?” Not to delve into the argument itself but I personally lean Team Iron Man since I think the Avengers need some sort of legal failsafe to fall back on if shit hits the fan; but the Accords were *not* the right way I actually had a fic idea where after Ross hands the copy of the Accords to the team and leaves, instead of arguing they manage to put aside their differences and take down the *real* villain of Civil War; Thaddeus Ross himself I don’t mean to sound whiny but I really wished the Team IM vs Team Cap argument wasn’t so black and white
The good ol' "the 1-year age gap between a 15-year-old and 16-year-old is problematic especially because 16-year-old has been working longer at their shared part-time job than the 15-year-old" ...and the horrible "this character is abusive" "no that character is abusive" dramas about characters who aren't uwu soft babies who eventually develop and become better people
Waifu wars and pro/anti-ship stuff... Y'know, the main conflict in every fandom.
Back when *Star Trek Enterprise* was new, there was a whole kerfuffle about the fact that the NX-01 class (or which *Enterprise* was apart of) looked "too modern in relation to an *Akira*-class vessel design from the 24th century series (for those unfamiliar with Trek, ENT is a prequel set in the 2150s) I just...... O_o
The "is Mr Darcy a virgin or not" discourse in the Jane Austen fandom. I stumbled across some old discussion threads on the subject and it's amusing how strongly some people seemed to feel about it.
I’d say: 1. Certain discourse about discourse (not this.) Analyzing media is…a thing. It’s annoying when people are exercising their literary analytical skills and people say, “Just shut up and be entertained!” Creativity is complex and deserves to be treated as such. 2. Really being called homophobic because I liked a straight ship in a work where there is 0 focus on romantic coupling. Mind you, I had said I liked the gay ship with the same character as well, and that shouldn’t even matter. 3. Two people ganging up on me and creating a whole conspiracy that when the author of the original work said “X character wears glasses when he meets new people, like when goes to meet girls,” he was not saying that X character meets girls, but rather was “intentionally spoiling” one panel where some girls happen to see him while he’s wearing glasses. Because of this, they said, I have grossly mischaracterized everything, and despite that work being my favorite series which I have reread countless times, I do not actually love it 💀
In the Wolfstar (Remus/Sirius) fandom within HP, people have been sending anonymous death threats on tumblr over which character is taller. I’ve only seen the tall!Remus people harassing the tall!Sirius people, but I’m sure there’s at least a little going the other way too. Tall!Sirius is mostly fandom olds, and it’s the opposite for tall!Remus. It’s so stupid. It isn’t even an anti thing where they think they’re making some superior moral statement. It’s literally JUST over their heights.
Our fandom isn't so big but the original work has a comment section so you can imagine how that's going with different chapters. We had a Character C say something horrible to Character A in the heat of the moment fight, our main character A who is currently in a sensitive state, struggling with beauty. And the comment section went wild, so many people were mad. So mad that they basically forgot the heart of the work; disregarding Character C's character development, character and feelings bc many adore and care about Character A. I love her too but people were calling them insincere, a terrible human being, pure evil, everything insult under the sun. And this has happened multiple times thru out the story, in multiple character arcs, where they're so emotional they forget the moral of the story. That everything isn't black or white, good people are capable of bad and vice versa. It's sad to see the heart be bulldozed like that bc people can't be bothered to think critically in an emotional situation.
That the Jedi deserved everything they got with Order 66 and deserved to be annihilated for stuff going back to the start of their history. Not just the main characters, but the side characters and the younglings too.
In the Fate fandom things are usually civil until someone asks about the watch order or even mentions Fate/Zero. I saw one moment when someone just asks something about F/Z and someone starts yelling about how you shouldnt start with it even though the question wasnt even about the watch order. When I tried to calm them down they just went mad. As much as the fandom complains about people recommending starting with Zero (which I personally recommend starting with) there are way more elitist claiming you have to start with the Deen version. While the elitist have been getting better, not claiming that anyone who hasnt read the original visual novel is not a true fan, they are still very toxic. Also there are the toxic shippers who believe that every version of a love interest character have to love the original main character, even though the other versions havent met him, and propably wouldnt love him either. Ironically enough the gatcha game Fate Grand Order has a much more friendly and welcoming fandom where the biggest problem is the Agartha chapter, but thankfully the fandom can agree on how bad it is.
Just recently the Helluva Boss fandom had a fight on whether or not Stolas had a dick or not. (Plus that thing with Stella but I find this more ridiculous and not to mention a certain wolf girl). It was later confirmed that no he does not have one. Because bird anatomy. That led to pretty transphobic comments.
The Digimon fandom's insistence on "natural" evolutions, where "natural" is code for "extremely narrow and bland". I've seen people question how birds turning into birds made sense because of this.
Toplock v. Bottomlock *(I'll see myself out)*
I'm in the Voltron fandom. Pick one.
oof homestuck... stridercest was HUGE for a ton of years, and when the new gen of kids started to join around 2016 on, it started a ton of infighting. in the past plenty of people thought it was gross but like 🤷♀️ didn't really do anything and left people alone about it. now even a joke about it can get you harassed for days
Too many fandoms, to pick from, almost all discourse is dumb.
in r/InsideJob there was like a bunch of posts that are about fans finding Reagan hot and attractive until one person made a [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/InsideJob/comments/vop15h/yall_are_weird/) that people finding Reagan hot is weird. OP there even says that it feels wrong to make r34 of her and demonize people for liking her. Basically those "Reagan likers" are fatherless and had no bitches But the thing is that Reagan is ok to be in r34 since she is in her 30s and an adult who has a job. + Inside Job is a cartoon made for adults that has inappropriate jokes, innuendos, bad languages and more. Until someone [posted](https://www.reddit.com/r/InsideJob/comments/vpgig5/being_attracted_to_regan_isnt_weird/) that being Attracted to Reagan isn’t “weird.” It's ok to admire an animated character because it's normal. When the person is too obsessed with the character, that can be too strange.
Shipping, which is almost always the dumbest discourse, including the typical "A is [sexuality] so you can't make them [other sexuality] for your ship!", the old "I'll kill you if you dare ship incest or underage", the annoying "fuck you I declare my ship canon even though there's nothing to confirm it at all", and the mind-numbing arguments over whether you should ship the 30yo character that gets mistaken for a child multiple times but isn't a proper loli. I've also seen people arguing over an evil bitch character not being a good villain because female characters need a reasoning behind their evil actions (as if she couldn't just have some personality disorder or actual reasons not explained to us since she's not a main character and we don't have to know everything about everyone). Btw the fandom is mostly fine with evil bitch male characters, yay for double standards? But I think the dumbest discourse is people arguing about stuff that is entirely made-up by the fandom, and it's second only to powerscaling nonsense like "is Saitama stronger than XYZ from an entirely different franchise?". Edit: forgot to add, people arguing over which human race the aliens from another universe are coded after. Plot twist, they were actually almost all coded after specific online communities and tropes.
Certain corners of the Miraculous Ladybug fandom used to get into screaming meltdown fights over which relationship in the main love square was the best. They probably still do come to think of it. The twist that makes it particularly stupid in this case is that the four couples of the love square are literally the same two characters each time, just with secret identity hijinks. But again, still the same two characters.
"TRUNK NOT MUNKY" Never change, Transformers fandom.
In the how to train your dragon fandom, there was a debate on whether or not the light fury was pink.
Whether or not the colors of the set design or a character’s shirt was a hint from the show writers to the viewers that the character in question was bi. Both the actor playing the character and the show writers stated that no, there was no underlying message to be found, yet the shippers still debated it. Some say they’re still doing so to this day…
Who had a worse childhood Like one main character (A) was ignored all his childhood while the other (B) was traumatised rather badly. Both pretty horrible things, but there's people arguing like: "No, you can't do this and this in your story, because it makes no sense as character B had it much worse than character A" (to be noted that this thing also happened in reverse). This isn't a fucking pity contest
The unending ship war in a popular anime fandom, I haven’t even interacted with that fandom since 2014 when the manga run ended, because of how toxic some of the fans are but a few weeks ago I decided to scroll the tags on tumblr and oh god it’s seem like nothing has changed since then. Basically there are two opposing ships, one became canon while the other one did not. People still ship the sunken ship, which bothers fans of the canon ship, I understand why they’re bothered by it to extend but some of these people act like it’s a great sin to ship a alternative non-canon ship like it devalues canon in their eyes or something. These people are in the tags, the replies, reblog, etc stating their dissatisfaction with people shipping something else, it’s sad. I think these people lose sleep just because someone dares not like the canon ship. I prefer the sunken ship, I think has more development, canon is canon, I just disregard it and ship what I want. Canon divergence baby! Why are you so insecure that people ship something else, your ship is literally canon?! Lmao 🤣