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Northernfun123

How about the Old Kingdom series by Garth Nix. Every protagonist is a late teen to early 20s female that quickly has to learn about magic in order to fight the evil magic users and undead that threaten their homelands. They always have a magical talking animal that is mischievous and hilarious. First book is Sabriel.


AvatarAarow1

Definitely second the old kingdom series. I think all of the first 5 books have female protagonists between sabriel, Lirael, and Clariel, and they’re pretty darn good


PitcherTrap

The Empire Trilogy by Janny Wurts and Raymond Feist but not really “Epic” fantasy


Books_Biker99

I consider the rift war saga epic. Is it not?


bedroompurgatory

Riftwar is, but Empire Trilogy is more political fantasy, from what I remember.


Books_Biker99

Probably. But it's still a part of the riftwar cycle as a whole. Like the separate trilogies in Realm of the elderings by Robin Hobb. I believe, as a whole, with all the trilogies that make up a larger series. Makes it epic. Even if it wouldn't be if it were a solo trilogy.


bedroompurgatory

Maybe. But the OP recommended the Empire trilogy, not the cycle as a whole. Which is good, because the cycle as a whole doesn't have a female protagonist.


Books_Biker99

Can the empire trilogy be read without ready anything prior?


Werthead

Yes. There's some stuff where it briefly intersects with the timeline of Magician, but I don't think it's a huge issue.


Ok_Bear_136

Same, definitely epic.


PitcherTrap

I’m vague on the nitty gritty of the subsubsubsubsubsub genre labels


samdd1990

It's only really one sub. Genre - fantasy Subgenre - epic fantasy. Also there isn't really set "rules" it's a somewhat objective measure. They were just trying to engage and start a conversation.


Stormhound

Does it have to be modern? I immediately thought of [By The Sword](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28735.By_the_Sword) and [Paladin of Souls.](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61904.Paladin_of_Souls?ref=nav_sb_ss_2_7) But Paladin of Souls does feature religion/ gods but not Christian at all. Both feature female leads and are cis hetero women. Oh and for an asexual female paladin - [The Deeds of Paksennarion](https://www.goodreads.com/series/49608-paksenarrion).


Old_Crow13

I second Deed of Paksenarrion! She's a great, realistic and down to earth character who goes through a lot of growth.


Northernfun123

Sounds interesting! I’ll add them to the queue!


Old_Crow13

Trigger warning, attempted SA in the first book, and mention of off screen SA in the third. The assault itself isn't detailed, but it's part of a fairly disturbing torture sequence.


Northernfun123

Thanks for the heads up. Not something I seek out but if done for a narrative purpose and not written in too much detail I should be fine to get through rough things like that or torture.


Old_Crow13

The torture is actually kinda essential to the character's final phase of growth, and there's no real details given.


HauntingPhilosopher

dealing with dragons by patricia wrede


jayswag707

Yes! So so good.


Sigrunc

Possibly The Adventures of Amina Al-Serafi by Shannon Chakraborty? A retired pirate queen goes out for one last adventure (or that’s the plan, anyway, it’s not quite how things work out). The setting is an alternate medieval kiddie east, so more Sinbad the Sailor than Lord of the Rings. The MC is a more or less devout Muslim, so it’s a question of how that works for your SIL.


IncurableHam

Plus if she likes it, the author has an entire unconnected trilogy set in the world hundreds of years later (Daevabad Trilogy) and it's great as well!


Hawkeye437

Isn't the protagonist for Daevabad a lesbian? I haven't read it yet but I vaguely recall that being one of the reasons I picked it up


eveningthunder

Nope, she isn't a lesbian. Hope you still give the books a shot, because they tell a thrilling and complex story. The first one kiiiiinda starts out looking like it's going to be romantasy or YAish, but it shifts gears pretty fast, so stick with it for at least the first few chapters. 


Hawkeye437

Hmm maybe I picked it up because it was a female protag. I bought a few books at the same time with lesbian protags so I got confused. The biggest reason I picked it up is the setting, non-euro influenced fantasy is relatively rare so I was excited by the setting. I still want to read it for sure.


eveningthunder

You're in for a treat! I won't babble too much (because it'd be spoilery!) but yessss, the setting and the female protagonist are great. The male characters are wonderful as well! One of those books with a ton of developed secondary  characters that also drive the plot. And there's a queer romantic plotline! Adventure, magic, battles, travel, politics and intrigue!   I seriously went in blind because I got the first book on sale. My socks, they were thoroughly knocked off. Super fun story told with verve and craft. 


StatisticianKey8910

one recurring character is gay, if that would change her enjoyment at all.


trickstercast

Hero and the Crown and The Blue Sword by Robin McKinley


snowlock27

The Morgaine Cycle by CJ Cherryh.


Otherwise-Library297

Definitely one of the best female leads in fantasy


blindside1

Probably not "epic" but try Elizabeth Moon's "Deed of Paksenarrion."


AmberJFrost

Deed of Paksenarrion is 100% epic fantasy. It's incredibly Tolkienesque, and has all the bits you'd associate with epic - lots of travel, evil gods and good, priests and magic mucking everything up, elves, ancient curses, etc. Just what about *Deed* ISN'T epic?


PlasticElfEars

I keep misreading this as Pokemon...


Ok_Bear_136

Came to find this


supa_bekka

How about Robin Hobb's Liveship Traders trilogy, or the Dragon Keeper Chronicles by the same author? Part of a larger scope series, but I think they can be read on their own. The female leads I am thinking of (Althea and Alise,) switch in and out with other main characters but neither rely on a relationship to be strong. There are other LGBTQ relationships in the story though, don't know if that is a deal breaker. Any Tamora Pierce is pretty good for that. It's YA, but I loved Trickster's Choice / Trickster's Queen. The Beka Cooper series was fun as well, but I honestly can't remember many details about it.


WhiteKnightier

I was also going to suggest Liveship Traders, although there's one particular scene that I found *really* heavy handed and shitty in book 3, I'm sure you know the one I mean. I still think it's a fantastic series, but that one incident could be very triggering to some people, I think.


eatpraymunt

Yes I wish I could have skipped that scene, really wrenched open the old trauma wounds while I was at work lol. Not cool, Hobb. Be ready with the "skip ahead" button in book 3, audio book listeners.


snakeantlers

i was going to suggest Liveship Traders. maybe my fave female cast of all time!


InanimateObject4

Another vote for Liveship Traders. Also has my fave villains too.


HauntedMeow

Kennitt!


TurbulentArcade

Good recomend.


unicorn8dragon

The green rider series might fit the bill


WrongdoerDue6108

Bloodsworn saga has 2


flybarger

Orka and Elvar are badasses. I do think Elvar steps up her game in book 2 considerably more than book 1, but it's completely understandable why. Can't wait for Fury of The Gods to drop in October!!! I've already pre-ordered it!


Shors_bones

Either the Witches (Wyrd Sisters, Witches Abroad, Lords & Ladies, Carpe Jugulum) or possibly the Susan Sto Helit (Hogfather, Soul Music, Thief of Time) subsets of the Discworld books. They’re not high fantasy like LOTR but they do play with many classic fantasy elements. There is some very minor hetero-romance subplots but the focus is primarily on the FMCs getting things done. If she’s open to a sort of steampunk setting, I recently read and enjoyed City of Stairs by Robert Jackson Bennet. The FMC does have a prior relationship with a bi man, but is herself heterosexual, and there’s no romance in the bulk of the book. I particularly enjoyed that the FMC and secondary female lead were different flavors of strong/independent women.


AngusAlThor

I think the "Daughter of the Empire" trilogy by Raymond E Feist and Janny Wurts may meet your requirement?


Secret_Ad_3807

Worm by wildbow


No_Leadership2771

I definitely read too much fanfiction because it took me a second to remember that Taylor is straight


KiaraTurtle

- Legends of the First Empire by Michael J Sullivan - Best Served Cold by Joe Abercrombie - Medalon by Jennifer Fallon


DataQueen336

First Empire*


KiaraTurtle

Edited — thanks!


VSkyRimWalker

Also the other standalone from Abercrombie right? Red Sand, was it? It's been a while


NoCardio_

You might be thinking of Red Country (great book). Best Served Cold was the one before that, and also a good choice here.


VSkyRimWalker

Ah yes, I knew Red Sand didn't quite sound right. I think it was my favorite after Best Served though. Everyone praises The Heroes, but I preferred those two


Jean-Philippe_Rameau

I don't think any deeply religious person (so religious LGBTQ themes should be avoided) would like the language and viscous cynicism of Abercrombie, though I've only gotten to the first book in the series so I'm batting that on incomplete data.


KiaraTurtle

You may be right, I’d been assuming queer mc was the only thing to avoid since that’s all op mentions wanting to avoid. At the same time while definitely still violent and having a copious amount of swearing, best served cold is not nearly as cynical as First Law.


DataQueen336

Legends of the First Empire by Michael J Sullivan


donut_resuscitate

Easy. **Tress of the Emerald Sea** by Brandon Sanderson.


BanditLovesChilli

I often get annoyed with how every recommendation post will have someone recommending a Sanderson book whether it suits or not (understandable given how big his bibliography is now), but in this case I think Tress is absolutely the right answer.


DanDelTorre

Tress is perfect for this, Yumi might be a sort of fit as well. It switches between a female and male lead, it also switches between a kind of fantasy Japan culture and a modern one.


Books_Biker99

Rain wilds chronicles by Robin Hobb I believe. This series is a part of a larger series of trilogies called the Realm of the elderlings.


csaporita

[The Sword of Kaigen](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41886271-the-sword-of-kaigen?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=kDBciiLXFj&rank=1) by M.L. Wang I’m Catholic and I devour modern fantasy. The overwhelming majority of themes even in modern fantasy is stuff that all ppl resonate with.


Acceptable-Cow6446

Farilane by Michael J Sullivan


Fetchanaxe

Book of the ancestor trilogy , starting with Red Sister, Nona is one formidable female !!


Stuffedwithdates

Paksenarrion sheepfarmers daughter Divided alligence and Oath of gold. you can likely get the three in one volume it might show it's Christian influences towards the end but there is no stronger female lead.


rooktherhymer

Paladin of Souls. Paladin of Souls. Paladin of Souls. Paladin of Souls. Paladin of Souls. Paladin of Souls. Paladin of Souls. Paladin of Souls. Paladin of Souls. Just hoping that if I say it enough you'll see it. This is it. This is your answer.


Upier1

But have you ever read Paladin of Souls?


dream208

If manga qualifies as a book, then I will recommend Hayao Miyazaki’s “Nausicca”.


WalterWriter

The Tombs of Atuan Uprooted (maybe) Spinning Silver


PmUsYourDuckPics

Uprooted and Spinning Silver are fairytale retelling, not epic fantasy. But both very good.


SparkeyRed

Agree here, both great but not epic. I don't think I'd class Tombs as epic either, really - it's pretty intimate/claustrophobic, for want of a better term (but also very good).


ThrowbackPie

Maybe? It's totally hetero and I can't think of any christian themes


Stormhound

Spinning Silver leans heavily into Judaism towards the end, might be something to consider depending on OP's relative.


Books_Biker99

Mistborn. Broken earth trilogy I think.


PmUsYourDuckPics

Love the Broken Earth, but it has a trans character in it... Don’t want to hurt their delicate sensibilities.


Books_Biker99

Oh, I haven't read it. Just heard about it. Did the author write the character poorly?


PmUsYourDuckPics

No the whole series is great, but OP specifically asked for non gay queer books. And I’m guessing their very Christian sister who can’t read gay characters, will be even less likely to accept a trans character.


rollingForInitiative

On the other hand they only mentioned that the protagonist shouldn't be lesbian. Feels like if zero LGBT characters in the book at all is a requirement, OP would've mentioned so.


PlasticElfEars

From the prompt, I more got the vibe that it may just be that the sister wants someone to relate to? Or this may not be what OP meant, but I'd be incredibly unsurprised if it's that society associates strength as such a masculine characteristic that lesbianism gets bundled into the concept. But if the female lead is het, she gets weaker because there's a man to be strong?


Books_Biker99

Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to the character with the sensibilities for some reason. My bad. I've been considering reading it though. It's doesn't have heavy romance like A court of thorns and roses, does it?


PmUsYourDuckPics

No it’s very not romantic like that, there is a romance but not in any way shape or form like ACoTaR. I think at one point in book 2 there is a brief period where there’s a polycule though? This book is so different from Sarah J Maas, the focus is much more on the world, systemic oppression, brain washing, and a mother’s quest to find her stolen daughter.


Books_Biker99

That's good. I'll probably check it out then.


HealMySoulPlz

>There's a polycule That's in book 1 >!on the pirate island!<


gnrlmayhem

The Deed of Paksenarrion by Elizabeth Moon. I'm pretty sure she is asexual, I haven't read the books in about 20 years. There is attempted sexual assault, as a warning.


DaughterOfFishes

There is actual sexual assault and torture in the third book.


ben_sphynx

> that's not gay or lesbian? Once you have established they are a woman, is there a difference between gay and lesbian?


HealMySoulPlz

Also how does OP feel about bisexual women?


Prestigious_Job_9332

That’s quite a trend in sci-fi movies (terminator, alien, fury road).


Bluedino_1989

Tiger and the Wolf.


Arcallah

Half a World by Joe Abercrombie 


NekoCatSidhe

Moribito: Guardian of the Spirit by Nahoko Uehashi


roosical

Deverry Saga by Katharine Kerr. Very much epic fantasy of the Tolkien kind, there’s many books in the series, very strong female lead character and incredibly intricate story.


ChoiceAttorney5665

Broken Earth Trilogy by NK Jemisin


Telzrob

As long as a bit of scifi is ok and she's not exclusively looking for high fantasy. This series is excellent


Abysstopheles

" I’d like to give her a modern book or series with a strong female protagonist who doesn't need to be gay/lesbian in order to be independent/strong." Did you mean to say that you do not want books with gay female main characters? Or could you post an example of this? ...where the character's independence or strength is contingent on their queer sexuality? "It’s important to me that the book I give her not be Christian-themed. She is very religious, but she knows I'm not, and I want her to feel comfortable reading the gift I give her." You want her to feel comfortable reading the book but don't want to give her a book she'll feel comfortable with? 


Tommy_Teuton

Best Served Cold, Red Country, the Age of Madness trilogy, Half the World, Half a War. All by Joe Abercrombie. Lions of Al-Rassan, A Brightness Long Ago, Children of Earth and Sky, All the Seas of the World. All by Guy Gavriel Kay. Actually, on second thought, the replacement Christianity in his works might disqualify them.


AmberJFrost

Yeah, I can't see OP's very religious sister being particularly happy with GGK's work.


PlasticElfEars

I've read Lions of Al-Rassan. Am fairly religious. My problem with said book was only that I cried on it and it was from the library...


brazthemad

Joe Abercrombie has loads of them, but Monza Mercatto in Best Served Cold is the main character, and she's straight up Tarantino levels of badass


rammyfreakynasty

fifth season is good but it has some gay male secondary characters, and a side character is revealed to be a trans woman, though it’s not really the focus. can i ask why it needs to be hetero?


csaporita

Based on being very religious I’m assuming she wants her to dip her toe into modern fantasy without her being scared away by “woke” messaging. So it seems she wants her to try something thats new but with traditional themes. For some of these ppl the second they read a queer character it triggers them into an authors motives or has them on guard for “liberal” messaging.


PlasticElfEars

Or it could just be that it would be nice if the sister saw a female lead who was more like herself. Or there could be a minor association with "but strength is only for lesbian characters" which I could kinda see. There is a societal association of strength with being "butch" and all that.


rammyfreakynasty

please tell me of all the fantasy books that have butch lesbian main characters, id like to read them(if they’re good)


Saberleaf

School for Good and Evil. Two strong protagonists and their friendship is the main point of the series. It's based on Arthurian legends but it has subtle darker themes.


ConstantReader666

Godstalk by P.C. Hodgell ticks all those boxes. Or To Dance With Dragons by Jaq D. Hawkins


PmUsYourDuckPics

I’m pretty sure the main character in Godkiller by Hannah Kaner isn’t gay? It’s been a while though. Amina Sirafi is more swashbuckling but it’s pretty epic too. I don’t think sexuality plays a role in the Justice of Kings? No wait, thinking about it there’s a hetero normative romance in it where the character has to choose between their life and a man… Chelsea Abdulla’s The Stardust Thief is a little Epic, and I think the romance is straight. Theif’s Magic by Trudi Canavan? I bounced off this after book 3 but it had some neat ideas. Spice Road by Maiya Ibrahim is pretty hetero normative if memory serves. Need to look at my bookshelf, there’s a lot of queer female protagonists there which I think is a good thing… Mistborne or Stormlight archives both have female protagonists, but they are multi character stories. Brando Sando is a Mormon but it doesn’t leak into his books too much apart from his romances being a bit tame. That said Mistborne has a character who is trying to find the true religion… Warbreaker might be a better standalone with a main character who is female.


Planeswalker2814

The main protagonist of Godkiller is bisexual. She never does anything more than flirt with another woman, from what I can remember, but I have a feeling that OPs sister would find that objectionable.


PmUsYourDuckPics

Ah right, it’s been a while since I read it, I stand corrected.


-dman76-

Spellsong Cycle by L.E. Modesitt https://www.goodreads.com/series/41479-spellsong-cycle


NiobeTonks

A Woman with a Sword by Anna Spark Smith


asbestos_feet

The Keltiad series by Patricia Kenneald


bedroompurgatory

Another "not really epic fantasy" recommendation, but *Practical Guide to Sorcery*, by Azalea Ellis. Its main character has three alter egos on the boil at once - a male disguise they're using to get into magic school, her real persona, who's working with an altruistic revolutionary/gangster to pay off a debt, and the Raven Queen, an urban legend she accidentally creates, and has to live up to.


Kylea_Quinn

The Ruins of Ambrai (Exiles, #1) by Melanie Rawn


OptimisticSnail

Great book but issue being book 3 of the trilogy is not written


AmberJFrost

And won't be.


No_Leadership2771

“Castle Waiting” is a fantastic fantasy graphic novel about misfits making a new life for themselves in the titular enchanted castle. There are a lot of female characters and all of them are brave and independent — and straight, as far as I remember. (One warning: the comic features a convent of bearded women. I think they are a very positive representation of Christianity, but they may fall a little to close to gender non-conforming for someone with a “no gays” rule)


Why_do_I_do_this-

"Best Served Cold" by Joe Abercrombie (even though it would be better to read the trilogy before it first. But it still works great on its own). It literally does not get stronger or more badass than Monzcarro (Monza) Murcatto, aka the butcher of Capril, aka the snake of Talins, etc. The book can be said to be "Fantasy Kill Bill", and it's freaking amazing.


Several-Play-7695

Bloody rose the sequel to kings of the wylds


NikitaTarsov

Queen of the Orcs (She isen't orc btw. and only become strong, even she's not a fighter)


SpectrumDT

_Echoes of the Fall_ by Adrian Tchaikovsky has a strong straight female lead. It also features bisexual male characters.


QuillandCoffee

The Twelve Houses series by Sharon Shinn would probably work!


Kerney7

Spinning Silver by Naomi Novick Sword Heart by T Kingfisher


Fluffy_SecurityGuard

Try Graceling, single book, kinda simple and easy to read but not a kids book, medium length, strong female protagonist, not lesbian, she has a romantic interest but that doesn't weaken her in any way, in fact she's kinda stronger than the guy and she keeps all her strong character. No religion mentioned whatsoever.


grixit

The Interior Life.


Strong-Piccolo-5546

Best Served Cold by Joe Abercrombie. However, she is not a good person.


fishandpaints

Check out the Tiger and Del novels by Jennifer Roberson- great chemistry between the two leads, and Del certainly qualifies as a strong woman. She is a bad ass.


Sinieya

The Troy Game by Sara Douglass - its set in different eras of Earth history (Celts, WW2, etc) it features the key players in the Minotaur's Labrynth out of Greek mythology. Anything more I say will be spoilerish. It's a very good series. One I read every couple years.


Telzrob

Two of Brandon Sanderson's "Secret Project" books. "Tress of the Emerald Sea" and "Yumi and the Nightmare Painter" for your description nicely. Also the first trilogy of the Mistborn Saga is an ensemble cast but it has a strong female character in the main lineup.


Primerius

Bone Witch Trilogy by Rin Chupeco and the Shadow and Bone series by Leigh Bardugo.


Leojen

Obernewtyn chronicles is a really good fit.


Secret_Ad_3807

Wheel of time have multiple female characters, most of them is in power.


AmberJFrost

The protagonist is a guy.


Lost_Afropick

You could argue Egwene being equal protagonist since her journey is just as dramatic as Rands and takes up a lot of POV chapter. That's more an ensemble cast rather than one single character protagonist


Secret_Ad_3807

Only in first book. Starting from the next you have Egwene, nyanewe, Eleyne, Aviendha, several female dark ones and aes sedai.


AmberJFrost

...but when the first book is the length of 2-3 normal sized fantasy novels... that's a lot of 'but not at all what she's interested in' to get through. And Jordan does *not* write women well.


Dry_Rent_6630

Mist born is good. The golden compass is also really good.


HealMySoulPlz

I can't imagine a religious person really liking Golden Compass. In fact my (religious) father wouldn't let me read it when I was a kid because it was 'atheist propaganda'.


Dry_Rent_6630

Just don't read the third book it's not as obvious


SparkeyRed

His Dark Materials is a good shout , but worth noting that The Golden Compass is the first book in the series in the US, elsewhere #1 is called Northern Lights. Mistborn is also excellent.


Super_Direction498

Maybe not "epic" but Cynthia Voight's *Jackaroo* sounds like it fits the bill. Also, *The Fifth Season* and *Best Served Cold* probably work.


Northernfun123

I’ve read Jackaroo and Best Served Cold and they were great! Joe Abercrombie writes some pretty smart and tough female characters, but Best Served Cold probably highlights one of his best and most fleshed roles. Ferro in First Law trilogy is awesome but she’s pretty shrouded in mystery and we didn’t get to know enough about her. I was hoping we would get more books about her but not yet.


WarOfPurificent

Throne of glass Mistborn Recurve These are some of my favorites


Spiritual-Credit5488

She might like mistborn and fair portions of the stormlight archive but idk how epic or relevant those would be


GonzoCubFan

El from *Naomi Novik’s* **Scholomance trilogy** is the character you’re looking. However it’s not exactly an Epic fantasy.


LetsBAnonymous93

Schoolmance is awesome but MC is bi with a same-sex relationship in the third book. Said relationship is also kind of/sort of/maybe cheating. It’s definitely a weird gray area that I doubt SIL would appreciate.


IntelligentGarbage92

What?! gimme more details!


LetsBAnonymous93

Um which part? 😅 Major spoilers here and there: >!FMC isn’t really interested in romance until book 2 when she realizes she’s been accidentally dating the MMC. It’s super cute. During this book, we meet that year’s valedictorian: a stunning take-charge blonde with a manipulative, pragmatic streak. She tries to seduce the MMC and is shot down because he’s got ~~one~~ two things on his mind (monster hunting and the FMC.) FMC is surprised listing all of Blondie’s assets including looks. Book 3, Blondie is in a mutually ambitious open relationship. MMC is presumed dead and she attempts to seduce FMC for the couple’s political gain. FMC turns her down. MMC is NOT dead but severely out of it and the relationship is in a really weird spot. Blondie recognizes that FMC is at a moral horizon point and reattempts seduction which is accepted this time. It’s not as much romantic love as Blondie making sure that FMC has enough emotional attachments to quite literally not destroy the world. (Blondie is very much not an idiot and will work in the ethical gray both for the greater good and her own good.) At the end, MMC is fully saved and they resume their relationship.!<


IntelligentGarbage92

tysm! hurray for yk >!orion not being dead!<


AnecdotalAnesthetic

Mistborn for sure. Vin is probably my favorite female protagonist I’ve read in fantasy. I also don’t remember it having any overtly Christian themes although it’s been a while since I’ve read it. Another option is the Broken Earth by N.K. Jemisin. It’s incredible but not quite as accessible as something like Mistborn. Also pretty much anything by Naomi Novik fits this description, and I have yet to read anything by her I would consider bad. Best Served Cold by Abercrombie is fantastic but I suggest reading the First Law Trilogy first because it’s set after the events of the Trilogy.


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voidtreemc

Well, the problem with Bradley is that if you look her up you read about some very unfortunate stuff that is unlikely to go over well.


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zeligzealous

It’s a lot worse than that. She was an abuser herself, and an active accomplice and apologist, not an innocent bystander. Also, at least one of her books has a really disturbing depiction of child sexual abuse presented in a bizarre, celebratory manner that is consistent with her abusive behavior. So it’s the artist, not the artist’s husband, and it’s within the art itself. I had the misfortune of learning the whole awful story when I cluelessly googled her because I felt sick to my stomach after a particular moment in one of the Mists of Avalon books.


ChrisTrotterCO

Well shit. I had never heard any of that. I really enjoyed Mists of Avalon. Only read them once, but damn. This sucks, I love strong female characters and enjoyed the books for that reason. Well guess time to toss those books from my collection.


handleinthedark

No it's mostly the artist's complicity in said horrific behavior.


FastWalkingShortGuy

WoT does not have a female lead. Supporting characters who are very strong, yes, but Rand is the lead and Mat and Perrin are the two secondary leads. It's explicit in the text. They are *ta'veren*, the rest of the cast is not. Egwene and Moiraine are very strong women characters, as are Min and Aviendha. But they're not leads.


barmeyblonde

While they're not *ta'veren*, anyone with a significant POV that spans the series could easily be considered "leading" roles. Their contributions to the story are not redundant, and, the author(s) does a great job of not having romance/ sex be their main and only contribution to the plot. It's a great series for young female readers. While it's not without its flaws, it certainly meets the requirements of the OP.


FastWalkingShortGuy

In this context, no. The "lead" is the most important character. That's Rand.


Drow_Femboy

Nah, words mean things, and lead does not mean what you claim. Davos is not one of the lead characters of ASOIAF, despite having significant POV chapters and contributing to the plot. If someone asked you to name a series where the lead character is a former criminal with a good heart doing his best to lead a respectable life, ASOIAF would not be an appropriate recommendation despite the fact that such a character is present in the story.


RadagastTheWhite

At the very least Egwene is a secondary lead. She has more POV chapters than Mat


FastWalkingShortGuy

Mat is literally the commanding general of all the armies of the Light at the Last Battle. Perrin is by far the lowest of the three *ta'veren,* and even he teaches Egwene a thing or two about something she assumes she already mastered. "It's just a weave." Without even Perrin, Egwene doesn't do her epic thing.


Cherei_plum

The female characters in WOT is straight up abominations let's be real like they're so bad that is was alone for me to DNF that series. 


Taste_the__Rainbow

I’m not sure it’s “epic” fantasy but Lackey/Norton’s Elvenbane series is pretty fun and is centered on a female lead who is very impressive.


Cosmic_War_Crocodile

McCaffrey has some content warning tho'.


ChrisTrotterCO

What for? After learning about Mists of Avalon author I'm starting to worry this thread is going to cost me a bunch of books I loved. Loved Ann McCaffery's books.


Cosmic_War_Crocodile

That specific scene with >!F'lar and Lessa!<


ChrisTrotterCO

Don't recall the scene. Recognize the names. It's been over 15 years since I read any of the books. I just remember really enjoying the series. I had all the books before I lost my book collection in my storage unit that got wrongly sold while I was in the hospital for 4 months. We had pre paid the storage unit for 6 months but they screwed up the paper work and sold all my shit after 3 months. Lost everything I owned. I've since only collected audio books but never got the books again because there were so many books in her series and they are too short. I mostly now only get really long books 40+ hours.


AmberJFrost

McCaffrey tends to lean dubcon - not just in Pern, but in general.


Kerney7

It's by Mercedes Lackey and Andre Norton.


FastWalkingShortGuy

Mistborn.


Snoo99693

Justice of Kings has a strong female character and the story is told from her perspective.


KwisatzzHaderachh

Mistborne haha


KidenStormsoarer

tamora pierce. the answer is ALWAYS tamora pierce. i can also recommend the october daye books by seanan mcguire, if she likes urban fantasy. though honestly, somebody complaining that "why are all these characters gay?!?!" is a major red flag.


CormoranNeoTropical

ACOTAR? Why not?


shabbapaul1970

What’s the difference between gay and lesbian?


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KzooCreep

Gay people exist in Malazan. Seems like gay people just existing might scare OP’s sister.


solo423

I’m confused by your parameters. It’s important that the book NOT be Christian themed, because you want her to feel comfortable reading it, but you said she’s religious so that would mean she would be more comfortable reading a Christian themed book. I was going to recommend one but it’s smutty, while also being deep in plot world building and lore. But definitely not Christian. In fact it has its own religion that is directly influenced by Christianity, but changed some things that would be insulting to a Christian’s beliefs.


AmberJFrost

OP's trying to find a book for their sister that isn't directly Christian (because OP isn't and their sister knows and respects that), but also will have things she wants (strong women MCs that are het, and no real LGBT presence). It's a tough needle to thread, because Fantasy's had a strong queernorm strain for the last, like, 40 years or so.


solo423

Yeah, I love the fantasy genre because you can get really specific with your requests, and there’s usually something out there that’s not only fitting, but also good. But in this case I’d say OPs parameters are way too specific even for the fantasy genre which is usually pretty varied. I can’t think of anything.