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I mean look at how many people are defending the mediocrity Taylor Swift recently put out to death; and think about when that sort of “defend them like they’re paying my rent” phenomenon happened for a black or a POC artist last time.
It’s kind of a grim reality sure.
If you think about it its purely parasocial.
‘I am a fairly mediocre white person with nothing of value to say caught in the endless rat race of clout and capital, let’s cope by elevating and romanticizing people that are just like me so I feel less bad about myself.’
>think about when that sort of “defend them like they’re paying my rent” phenomenon happened for a black or a POC artist last time.
Tory Lanez, Chris Brown, R Kelly… I’d argue that Black/POC artists either have to be perfect OR just abuse a Black woman and get ride or die stans for life.
>Ncuti Gatwa said in a recent interview with Attitude magazine that Black people have a pressure to be excellent that is disproportionate to white people, be it in Hollywood or other professions. The 31-year-old actor has noticed “white mediocrity” being celebrated, which is a luxury that does not exist for Black people since they must be “absolutely flawless” to even get a sliver of attention.
>“There’s so much white mediocrity that gets celebrated, and Black people, we have to be absolutely flawless to get half of [that] anyway,” Gatwa continued. “So, I’m slowly training myself out of that and being like, ‘No shit. You deserve love just for existing.’ And that has taught me to be a lot more loving as well, in a weird way.”
Of course he’s right. So many properties have to start from a negative to audiences just because of the race or gender of the cast. They have to be iconic or groundbreaking to “earn” praise and are never allowed to be fun or silly. Meanwhile some of middle America’s favorite drivel is some basic ass plot or serialization that they shut their brain off to
You need to be on the level of someone as insanely talented as Beyoncé to get praise. And as we've recently seen there's still a ceiling even for Beyoncé
The fact that he's clearly astute enough to know how much more he'll be attacked for this - because he's already the subject of chud ire - and has still spoken out, just shows what a wonderful bloke he is.
They have to use DEI because their buzzword newsletter came out. “Woke is so last year. Now we say DEI for when we wanna say a filthy minority in private”
right??? god I've been so mixed on this season of doctor who because I'm nervous about it being disney-ified (I've only see the first special recently -- I'm waiting for my brother to finish his semester to watch -- and I wasn't in love). But he is just \*so electric\* and the scenes in the trailers on reddit where he twirls with the long maxi skirt made me weirdly tear up a little so I am going to give it a shot!
He’s fantastic so far, but the writing for the special was off for me and I’m iffy on the new companion who just feels like if Rose and Clara had a baby. I hope it’s great, though! It’s been one of my favourite shows forever.
Taylor Swift. Miley Cyrus. Florence Pugh. Kristen Stewart. Gweneth Paltrow. Lana del Rey. Ryan Reynolds. Tom Cruise. Austin Butler. Chris Pratt. Jack Harlow. Post Malone. $uicideBoy$.
Idc idc come for me 🤷♀️
Florence Pugh doesn't deserve to be on this list lol, and I say this as someone not white
Taylor deserves to be on this list twice
Edit: u/ibreatheglitter can't reply further as I'm not a verified user on the sub, but here's what I meant to reply with:
Have you seen Midsommar?? That & Little Women I'd say showcase acting talent that exceeds the combined works of her "mid-to-late 20s women" contemporaries of Anya Taylor Joy, Zendaya, Saoirse Ronan and Sydney Sweeney (who I don't even think belongs in that group tbh)
Can't really comment on her style, but I'm a straight guy and I find her extremely attractive (except with the buzzcut) - honestly you might be the first person I've ever seen say she's unattractive lol but I guess its subjective
I can't believe she's won Album of the Year 4 times. Folklore maybe deserved it but...
Fearless beat Beyoncé's I Am Sasha Fierce (and Gaga's The Fame)
1989 beat Kendrick's To Pimp A Butterfly
Midnights beat fucking RENAISSANCE
Gwyneth paltrow and Tom cruise are interesting ones because they have done some genuinely great acting but then coasted by and got away with mediocrity or things that are batshit crazy because of fame. Which I don't think would happen with POC
But at their best I don't think they were mediocre. She's fantastic in the talented mr ripley for example
i actually love Miley Cyrus's voice, but yeah, her music is mostly pretty lacklustre. Anyway, totally agree with Ncuti.
edit: cannot tell if people are downvoting me for liking miley's voice or for saying her music is lacklustre lol - if it's for liking her voice then get over here and fight me
I didn’t downvote you, but I personally haven’t really gotten over Miley almost mockingly using black stereotypes to craft her “bad girl” era… and then, when she was done with that era, she blasted the culture she’d just finished mocking, basically saying it was immature and gross and a stepping stone towards becoming a real woman and a true adult and all that. It was just hurtful. She has never acknowledged that, although she’s far from the only artist to use black stereotypes as a stepping stone to true ‘white maturity.’ And tbh I find it difficult to enjoy her because of it.
You’re free to like her voice, though, although she as a person is not my cup of tea.
oof I did not know that - these constant horrible revelations about famous people is why I never adopt a fan mindset towards anyone (except Lily Gladstone)
Doesn’t she also count as a nepo baby since her dad was a a country music hit in the 90s and her god mother is Dolly?
I’m noticing a correlation between nepo babies and white mediocrity.
There should be a correlation because the nepo babies of today have parents who gained the bulk of their wealth during a much more violently racist period in history. So the only people who were successful enough to have a nepo baby that's old enough to be an adult today are going to be mostly white
I’m sorry I did think about him at first, but I love his jawline and I’d very much like to sit on it sooooo 🤷♀️
Ariana can sing but once she started blackfishing it shoulda been over for her career
Lana Del Rey absolutely lmao the way people act like she’s doing something????? Anything at all??? No 👎🏾. She’s almost reaching Swift levels of “what do you all think you’re hearing…?” for me at this point.
He didn’t lie.
Look at the reaction to the Romeo & Juliet movie, that actress getting hell already. Snow White movie, The Little Mermaid movie. The backlash was insane yet Emma Watson cast as Belle and gave the most stale performance (imo) and people were rejoicing in the announcement alone.
Hell even Beyonce, 4 decades into her career still making incredible music (to the point she keeps topping herself in my opinion) and she faces racist reactions every single time with a million think pieces and then you have Taylor the only one on the same level as her and welll we all know how she’s treated. M
It’s disgusting and while the audience is to blame for this quite frankly a lot of the blame needs to be held to the execs in Hollywood AND white actors/singers who turn a blind eye to it while benefiting themselves.
He's not wrong and it happens in all fields. It also happens with women in very male dominated fields, mediocre males get ahead while women have to be exceptional
No lies detected. I see so many mediocre white men in positions of power and they keep failing upwards. I say this as a white woman. It seems white people would rather continue to lift up and promote people who look like them than open up the doors to the club, because if they do, they’ll find a whole ton of people who are way better than them at what they do, they just happen to have a different skin color. And then those mediocre people will need to try and better themselves and thats too much work.
ETA: sending me a Reddit cares is a perfect example of mediocrity. If you disagree with me, that’s fine, but let’s discuss in person rather than hiding behind some bullshit misuse of what’s meant to be a helpful service. That’s weak.
"I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." - Stephen Jay Gould
Look at the shit Bey had been getting for the country album (aka her actually changing her sound and trying something different) vs. the OMG LYRICAL GENIUS TAYLOR SWIFT when her new shit was clearly written by a very angsty 14 y/o who hasn't taken enough english classes yet to get this shit coherent.
Love Ncuti, keep talking
It’s true and I’m glad he’s saying it/bringing it up. This is not just for celebrities, but extends to black people in their professional lives as well. So you’ll have people (POCs) who overachieve and then not get the same recognition from/as opposed to/a white colleague who does way less/bare minimum (I’m looking at you Taylor Swift).
Saving this to remind myself I’m fine the way I am and if people don’t recognize my worth it’s their loss.
Thanks Ncuti ❤️
a very unserious example of this phenomenon, but one that really bothers me: people being like “nothing against halle bailey but I just didn’t like her as ariel” but being like “I love emma watson as belle!” WHERE are the braincells 😭 genuinely cannot comprehend this level of thinking. halle is sooo perfect as ariel. meanwhile emma was so flat and uninspiring. I feel like if you can’t see the beauty in halle’s performance, but can somehow find something good in emma’s, then . . . you are just blinded by racism. you’re mad that a woman of color played an ethereal princess. you’re mad that she did it better than any white woman who auditioned. I just cannot take this shit like please be for real
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And he is absolutely right.
I mean look at how many people are defending the mediocrity Taylor Swift recently put out to death; and think about when that sort of “defend them like they’re paying my rent” phenomenon happened for a black or a POC artist last time. It’s kind of a grim reality sure.
If you think about it its purely parasocial. ‘I am a fairly mediocre white person with nothing of value to say caught in the endless rat race of clout and capital, let’s cope by elevating and romanticizing people that are just like me so I feel less bad about myself.’
>think about when that sort of “defend them like they’re paying my rent” phenomenon happened for a black or a POC artist last time. Tory Lanez, Chris Brown, R Kelly… I’d argue that Black/POC artists either have to be perfect OR just abuse a Black woman and get ride or die stans for life. 
TS is the perfect example of white privilege - here output is astonishingly average to me.
https://i.redd.it/mk819q11b7wc1.gif
It's been a long time since I've read something so spot on, sincerely, A 60 year old white women
True story.
He's not lying I say this everyday when I look at Taylor swift.
 But “She’s the best lyricist ever of the 21st Century!” \-Swiffies, probably
The Lyrics in question...Karma is a cat.... karma is my boyfriend 🙄.
We declared Charlie Puth should be a bigger artist
1830s but without all the racists It’s just too easy to roast her at this point.
tattoed golden retriever…..you know how to ball i know aristotle…
I had to google these lyrics to know it wasn’t a joke
Sexy baby from anti hero.
How dare you say anything about Shakespeare of this century /s
My jaw dropped when I seen a swiftie say this and be fully serious
I've seen Swifties compare her to Amy Winehouse (rip), Adele, and Leonard Cohen 
>Ncuti Gatwa said in a recent interview with Attitude magazine that Black people have a pressure to be excellent that is disproportionate to white people, be it in Hollywood or other professions. The 31-year-old actor has noticed “white mediocrity” being celebrated, which is a luxury that does not exist for Black people since they must be “absolutely flawless” to even get a sliver of attention. >“There’s so much white mediocrity that gets celebrated, and Black people, we have to be absolutely flawless to get half of [that] anyway,” Gatwa continued. “So, I’m slowly training myself out of that and being like, ‘No shit. You deserve love just for existing.’ And that has taught me to be a lot more loving as well, in a weird way.”
He's right and I worry he's going to get absolutely harassed for saying it. 😑
He 100% will :/
Of course he’s right. So many properties have to start from a negative to audiences just because of the race or gender of the cast. They have to be iconic or groundbreaking to “earn” praise and are never allowed to be fun or silly. Meanwhile some of middle America’s favorite drivel is some basic ass plot or serialization that they shut their brain off to
You need to be on the level of someone as insanely talented as Beyoncé to get praise. And as we've recently seen there's still a ceiling even for Beyoncé
Good for him because he's absolutely flawless I hate what became of Sex Education s4 but Eric was always my favourite character.
Season 4 was such a let down I couldn’t finish it 😭 very sad for the great cast
Oh no, I had no idea. I still haven’t watched s4 and now I’m thinking maybe I shouldn’t.
It was ... okay. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, but it just wasn't as good as the other seasons.
Oh, maybe I shouldn’t watch it :(
He's gonna make a lot of people mad for saying it, but he's right.
Yep. They’re going to be mad because deep down, they’ll know he’s right, but they don’t want things to change.
The fact that he's clearly astute enough to know how much more he'll be attacked for this - because he's already the subject of chud ire - and has still spoken out, just shows what a wonderful bloke he is.
Oh they are already hopping mad on insta and twitter calling him a racist (against white people 🤭) and DEI Dr Who
They have to use DEI because their buzzword newsletter came out. “Woke is so last year. Now we say DEI for when we wanna say a filthy minority in private”
no lies detected.
Based. That's some The Doctor shit right there
right??? god I've been so mixed on this season of doctor who because I'm nervous about it being disney-ified (I've only see the first special recently -- I'm waiting for my brother to finish his semester to watch -- and I wasn't in love). But he is just \*so electric\* and the scenes in the trailers on reddit where he twirls with the long maxi skirt made me weirdly tear up a little so I am going to give it a shot!
He’s fantastic so far, but the writing for the special was off for me and I’m iffy on the new companion who just feels like if Rose and Clara had a baby. I hope it’s great, though! It’s been one of my favourite shows forever.
so happy to open this up thinking 'and he's right' and seeing all the comments saying the same thing
Taylor Swift. Miley Cyrus. Florence Pugh. Kristen Stewart. Gweneth Paltrow. Lana del Rey. Ryan Reynolds. Tom Cruise. Austin Butler. Chris Pratt. Jack Harlow. Post Malone. $uicideBoy$. Idc idc come for me 🤷♀️ 
Florence Pugh doesn't deserve to be on this list lol, and I say this as someone not white Taylor deserves to be on this list twice Edit: u/ibreatheglitter can't reply further as I'm not a verified user on the sub, but here's what I meant to reply with: Have you seen Midsommar?? That & Little Women I'd say showcase acting talent that exceeds the combined works of her "mid-to-late 20s women" contemporaries of Anya Taylor Joy, Zendaya, Saoirse Ronan and Sydney Sweeney (who I don't even think belongs in that group tbh) Can't really comment on her style, but I'm a straight guy and I find her extremely attractive (except with the buzzcut) - honestly you might be the first person I've ever seen say she's unattractive lol but I guess its subjective
I can't believe she's won Album of the Year 4 times. Folklore maybe deserved it but... Fearless beat Beyoncé's I Am Sasha Fierce (and Gaga's The Fame) 1989 beat Kendrick's To Pimp A Butterfly Midnights beat fucking RENAISSANCE
Add Sydney Sweeney to the list. I do not understand the hype.
She was terrific in Euphoria. I would believe it if you told me that was the only thing she’s good in though lol
All the rest I agree but I kinda love Florence pugh. Prolly the husky voice and the fact that she was in midsommar which a guy I know did the art for.
I do love her voice! I wish I had that voice
Gwyneth paltrow and Tom cruise are interesting ones because they have done some genuinely great acting but then coasted by and got away with mediocrity or things that are batshit crazy because of fame. Which I don't think would happen with POC But at their best I don't think they were mediocre. She's fantastic in the talented mr ripley for example
Gywneth being a nepo baby doesn’t help. Nothing worse than being mediocre and a nepo baby.
i actually love Miley Cyrus's voice, but yeah, her music is mostly pretty lacklustre. Anyway, totally agree with Ncuti. edit: cannot tell if people are downvoting me for liking miley's voice or for saying her music is lacklustre lol - if it's for liking her voice then get over here and fight me
I didn’t downvote you, but I personally haven’t really gotten over Miley almost mockingly using black stereotypes to craft her “bad girl” era… and then, when she was done with that era, she blasted the culture she’d just finished mocking, basically saying it was immature and gross and a stepping stone towards becoming a real woman and a true adult and all that. It was just hurtful. She has never acknowledged that, although she’s far from the only artist to use black stereotypes as a stepping stone to true ‘white maturity.’ And tbh I find it difficult to enjoy her because of it. You’re free to like her voice, though, although she as a person is not my cup of tea.
oof I did not know that - these constant horrible revelations about famous people is why I never adopt a fan mindset towards anyone (except Lily Gladstone)
Yup this is my #1 dislike of her! But also I hate her singing voice and almost all of her songs besides see you again and party in the USA lol
Doesn’t she also count as a nepo baby since her dad was a a country music hit in the 90s and her god mother is Dolly? I’m noticing a correlation between nepo babies and white mediocrity.
There should be a correlation because the nepo babies of today have parents who gained the bulk of their wealth during a much more violently racist period in history. So the only people who were successful enough to have a nepo baby that's old enough to be an adult today are going to be mostly white
Owen Wilson, Adam Sandler, Armie Hammer. The list goes on
Hey, Arnie Hammer isn’t mediocre. He’s just the kind of guy who bites off more than he can chew.
Adam Sandler - Yes! Name someone with less talent than this guy pls!
I hate to be that guy but he's a good actor when he can be fucked trying lol.
he should’ve gotten an Oscar nom for Uncut Gems
Ryan Reynolds is the living embodiment of white mediocrity
And, even worse, his eyes are too close together and I find that to be a sign of fuckyness in men lol
I’m not white but you lost me at Florence Pugh. She’s an incredible actress. The best of her generation after Saoirse Ronan
YES! Add Timothy chalamet and ariana grande to the list
I’m sorry I did think about him at first, but I love his jawline and I’d very much like to sit on it sooooo 🤷♀️ Ariana can sing but once she started blackfishing it shoulda been over for her career
Ariana is blasian actually so she doesn't count /s
Lana Del Rey absolutely lmao the way people act like she’s doing something????? Anything at all??? No 👎🏾. She’s almost reaching Swift levels of “what do you all think you’re hearing…?” for me at this point.
Add Jennifer Lawrence to this.
I respect the opinion but personally I think she’s a very talented actress.
Meghan Trainor
Lil Dicky, Chris Evans, every Kardashian, D'Amelio sisters
he's right and he should say it, just look at who's the biggest star in the world at the moment
He didn’t lie. Look at the reaction to the Romeo & Juliet movie, that actress getting hell already. Snow White movie, The Little Mermaid movie. The backlash was insane yet Emma Watson cast as Belle and gave the most stale performance (imo) and people were rejoicing in the announcement alone. Hell even Beyonce, 4 decades into her career still making incredible music (to the point she keeps topping herself in my opinion) and she faces racist reactions every single time with a million think pieces and then you have Taylor the only one on the same level as her and welll we all know how she’s treated. M It’s disgusting and while the audience is to blame for this quite frankly a lot of the blame needs to be held to the execs in Hollywood AND white actors/singers who turn a blind eye to it while benefiting themselves.
Side note: he is absolutely flawless and he deserves to be one of the biggest stars of our generation (Obv he’s also right)
Not even mediocrity. Even just plain bad. White cruelty gets a pass, too. See: Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Chelsea Handler, Debra Messing, etc.
He's not wrong and it happens in all fields. It also happens with women in very male dominated fields, mediocre males get ahead while women have to be exceptional
Yep and then mediocre af white women get lifted up over WOC constantly in those same spaces/fields. This isn’t about white women lol.
No lies detected. I see so many mediocre white men in positions of power and they keep failing upwards. I say this as a white woman. It seems white people would rather continue to lift up and promote people who look like them than open up the doors to the club, because if they do, they’ll find a whole ton of people who are way better than them at what they do, they just happen to have a different skin color. And then those mediocre people will need to try and better themselves and thats too much work. ETA: sending me a Reddit cares is a perfect example of mediocrity. If you disagree with me, that’s fine, but let’s discuss in person rather than hiding behind some bullshit misuse of what’s meant to be a helpful service. That’s weak.
"I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." - Stephen Jay Gould
True
Agreed
I mean he's not wrong
Depressingly true
Omarosa said the same to Bethany Frankel and she was absolutely right as well.
Aint that the truth
Look at the shit Bey had been getting for the country album (aka her actually changing her sound and trying something different) vs. the OMG LYRICAL GENIUS TAYLOR SWIFT when her new shit was clearly written by a very angsty 14 y/o who hasn't taken enough english classes yet to get this shit coherent. Love Ncuti, keep talking
 It’s true and I’m glad he’s saying it/bringing it up. This is not just for celebrities, but extends to black people in their professional lives as well. So you’ll have people (POCs) who overachieve and then not get the same recognition from/as opposed to/a white colleague who does way less/bare minimum (I’m looking at you Taylor Swift). Saving this to remind myself I’m fine the way I am and if people don’t recognize my worth it’s their loss. Thanks Ncuti ❤️
It's true and he should say it.
He’s right, and he is proof of this. His acting talent (and skin) is flawless.
This is the unfortunate and unfair truth.
Yeah he is right
Impossible to say any of this is wrong. Well said Ncuti!
Im glad we've strayed away from the "magical black character" in stories.
Where is the lie???
a very unserious example of this phenomenon, but one that really bothers me: people being like “nothing against halle bailey but I just didn’t like her as ariel” but being like “I love emma watson as belle!” WHERE are the braincells 😭 genuinely cannot comprehend this level of thinking. halle is sooo perfect as ariel. meanwhile emma was so flat and uninspiring. I feel like if you can’t see the beauty in halle’s performance, but can somehow find something good in emma’s, then . . . you are just blinded by racism. you’re mad that a woman of color played an ethereal princess. you’re mad that she did it better than any white woman who auditioned. I just cannot take this shit like please be for real
YOU HAVE TO WORK TWICE AS HARD TO GET HALF OF WHAT THEY HAVE I miss Rowan Pope
Glad to see this openly said
He’s not wrong. And I’m glad he said it. More people should address this.
So true
But did he lie? No.