I don't know man, it's like NONSTOP.
I guess I could just never come to the sub, but like... not sure that's the same as walking through a store and deciding not to buy something
Im not talking about DLCs dummy Im talking about content included in the base game itself. Tekken 8 has great customization but it objectively has less than the previous games, and now part of it is locked behind the shitass battle pass. And look at fucking SF6. You only get two colors per character for free, and you gotta either grind or buy the other colors. Fucking COLORS.
Don't try to be a smartass.
dick ridaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
jokes aside tho, you're missing the point. Tekken 8 is a broken game with massive issues in terms of balance, the recent patch breaking the combo system, the PC port being broken, the plugging epidemic, people who get plugged on having their disconnect rate increased, etc. and instead of focusing on that they charge the player money for a battle pass entirely comprised of reused assets from Tekken 7 and straight up an untextured fucking ball from Blender. If you defend this I have no respect for you.
the problem with this take is that you dont understand these problems are dealt with by completely different people. the people marketing and monetizing the game,the people balancing the game, and people making the cosmetics, and the people who port it to PC, areal different people.
I agree the monetization in tekken is really predatory and bad, but the FGC needs to learn that monetization, and literally everything else about the game, are controlled by different teams. Even the "but money spent on one could have been spent on the other" arguement makes no sense since it's not a 1 to 1.
There are real people doing a job behind these games. and they are thinking about the solutions more than anyone else. complaining about bad monetization because the game isn't balanced is like complaining about bad service at a restaurant because the food took too long
Pretty sure Bamco doesn't have just one guy responsible for everything and MTX were coming independent of how well the game launched.
"Hold the MTX! Little Jimmy isn't happy with the state of the game yet. Get everyone busy fixing the game. Get Mary the receptionist a wrench. We need every helping hand we can get!"
Theres a massive difference between a kusoge and a game that is artificially boosting certain characters power levels in order to sell their costumes as microtransactions
Also HFTF, 3S and XXAC are peak fighting games dont even dare compare them to this trash
I'm not even that interested in battle passes, the most important thing about a game is supposed to be the gameplay, not spending your wallet on extra costumes and characters that you can simply not buy.
Since Tekken is the big MTX topic atm, I shall attempt to summarize the problem that seems to be the biggest point. Their problem isn't directly the MTX and battlepasses it the fact that outfits you could get completely for free just by playing the game are now locked behind microtransactions. Tekken a game with some of the best customization in fgs, that was all given to you for free, has now limited the amount of customization you get for free and if you want costumes that used to be free you now have to pay for it.
Assuming that monetization is necessary for sustaining a live service (and that we are discussing a live service game), at what point of the game's lifespan is it fair for a developer to begin charging for assets? What heuristic determines which assets are additional to the base game and which are not?
Speaking to your point, you reflect on how "costumes that used to be free", which implies that these costumes existed before as free assets in Tekken 8 and are just now being locked behind a sale. Is this true?
I think the thing that bothers me (and everyone else can be different) is that Tekken kind of did it in a dishonest way, where they very specifically didn't advertise that they were adding microtransactions in post-launch (instead, waiting until it was too late to refund the game) AND had multiple interviews talking about how they were planning to reduce customisation AND be more fair than other companies about their pricing.
The original physical copies of Tekken 8 don't have any warning about microtransactions, because they weren't in - they were added in later. Doing stuff like that to make your game not inform consumers of microtransactions (plus reviews said no microtransactions as well) sounds shady and dishonest.
Going in interviews and talking about how you deliberately reduced customisation in the game to focus on gameplay, then adding customisations later at a cost without mentioning that as part of the plan seems shady to me too (even if it's technically honest?).
To me, the thing that bothers me is the lack of being honest about how the game was going to be monetised. Street Fighter 6 hid the battle pass until launch, but the premium currency was known since the beta; and they did launch the game with it so everyone had the chance to refund it at that point.
I still wish the battle pass was known information before launch for SF6 as well, but at least they didn't wait months after launch to sneak it in; and that's the part that makes me kind of peeved - publicly talking about how your pricing will be more fair, cosmetics/customisations are turned down, then launching a battle pass (that costs $10 because you can't buy $6 of currency) feels bad compared to just being upfront.
I think other people have their complaints with it too, but I don't mind if games have monetisation for cosmetics. I just mind how they go about informing the consumers and players on how they're going to do it.
good! because nobody anywhere is destroying SHIT. fighting games are in the best place they've been since '96
we're getting the best products and the best support ever
You know what we're not gonna do? Defend shitty predatory business practices and poor consumer experience just so multimillionaire companies can get a few more bucks
something that was free before is being taken away and being charged for often a similar or sometimes the same product. that is why you should be mad. yes optional still not great as a consumer.
That doesn't help the fact that they constantly shove them in your face and use manipulative practices designed by psychologists to extract the most amount of money from people.if the game wasn't popping up with "ooh look at these cool new costumes you know you want to buy it" I would have less of an issue with them.
Also it is deceptive to consumers to wait until after the review period to introduce or announce mtx. At T8's launch the vast majority of the cosmetics could be earned with in game currency, rewarding you for playing the game. Now the shop will slowly be filled with cosmetics awarding you for swiping your credit card more.
I was able to deal with this. But fuck battle passes in a full price game. I've burnt out of so many games trying to grind to complete battle passes.
Technically speaking it isn’t. The thing is though, in previous games you could just unlock the costumes by playing the game. So what did the micro transactions add that made the game better because I’m not seeing it.
Well, things aren't like they used to be, doing that Currently means That the developers would be working for free. (And nobody likes to work for free)
Also, people don't have the patience to unlock everything and that's why they hack games to have everything at once.
>So what did the micro transactions add that made the game better because I’m not seeing it.
DLCS,The DLCs are literally microtransactions and I don't see anyone complaining and crying that they have to pay real money to unlock an extra character, that's already normalized at this point
Plus it's not even a "Pay to win" case, you can still win or enjoy the game without the need to unlock or buy anything
Since the game costs roughly $70 they wouldn't be working for free.
>Also, people don't have the patience to unlock everything
Not everyone has this problem, and even if they did, there are better solutions than an in-game paywall.
>The DLCs are literally microtransactions and I don't see anyone complaining
First, no they're not or to be more accurate, DLC isn't inherently the same as microtransactions. Here's [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtransaction#:~:text=Microtransactions%20(mtx)%20is%20a%20business,revenue%20source%20for%20the%20developers), and here's [Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/microtransaction).
Second, while most are fine with paying for a new character to be added to a game, there are still critics for DLC characters. The fact that its additional content being added and that it's a character make a big difference for a lot of people. Also, people do complain because you'd have to buy the character if you want to train against them.
Yea I agree.. it's pointless to get angry about that.. as if that'd make any difference
I buy Season passes if I like the characters, that's it.
I don't buy skins usually, if I buy them that's my choice.. sounds obvious
Do ppl rather not have any DLC? They would cry that the company doesn't care about the game and just abandoned it... How do you think the employees get paid? You think they work for free?
Ppl here calling you a little kid etc. but thinking that DLC and skins should be free, if that's how they make money to pay all their recources and still have to make profit on top of it.... thinking they'd work for free and only sell the main game is delusional, if it sells they will keep offering it, it's a fucking business.. not their fun side hustle or hobby
For a lot of games that have micro transactions, it ends up becoming the main focus of the game. Not the gameplay and it's quality. You don't partake in micro transactions and the support ends early. You do and that's all the game ends up being about
I think there’s a few things at play.
Broadly I’d like to support the fighting games I love so the devs make more and release more content. I’m happy to do this by buying dlc characters and costumes.
Specifically I feel there have been some issues. Street fighter 6 just hasn’t had enough content outside of world tour stuff, 1 costume? Thats it? Tekken is going at a faster pace but obviously there was some issues in the last patch.
I think if they were more upfront about it, and a bit less cynical people would be happy. For example I really don’t like the in game currency shit where they do that thing where the lowest bit you can buy is enough 1 and half items, and hey it’s only a half so may as well get the more expensive one. It’s just scummy.
If devs releases regular content updates for the actual in game fighters, even if it’s just bonus colours, on top of the dlc characters, i guarantee the fgc would buy. We love fucking character customisation
Companies feel personally offended because they want players to pay dress up with their fighting action figures for 10 dollars the pixel SO BAD.
That's not even addressing Fatalities and/or characters which is just cut content that shouldn't be on sale
It might be even easier to ignore the posts I don't like than it is to ignore the microtransactions (and yet here I am taking the bait...)
I don't know man, it's like NONSTOP. I guess I could just never come to the sub, but like... not sure that's the same as walking through a store and deciding not to buy something
OOOO I WANNA CONSUME MORE PRODUCTS WITH SHITASS MONETARY SYSTEMS FOR THINGS THAT USED TO BE FREE OOOOOOOO
Welcome to the new generation
You are a cuck mf
Lol hold up, what exactly used to be free? Explain with logic please and feel free to use tekken 3 and 5 as examples of getting free dlcs
Im not talking about DLCs dummy Im talking about content included in the base game itself. Tekken 8 has great customization but it objectively has less than the previous games, and now part of it is locked behind the shitass battle pass. And look at fucking SF6. You only get two colors per character for free, and you gotta either grind or buy the other colors. Fucking COLORS. Don't try to be a smartass.
OP when he realizes that no one gives a fuck what he's tired of
The companies also dont give a fuck about yall whinning about Spending money on Costumes
I get it OP, you're 16, which is why you should think twice any time you think you have a worthwhile opinion
I am 18
it's cute that you think there's a difference
There's one massive difference if you know what I mean, wink wink. Spread wide, OP.
dick ridaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa jokes aside tho, you're missing the point. Tekken 8 is a broken game with massive issues in terms of balance, the recent patch breaking the combo system, the PC port being broken, the plugging epidemic, people who get plugged on having their disconnect rate increased, etc. and instead of focusing on that they charge the player money for a battle pass entirely comprised of reused assets from Tekken 7 and straight up an untextured fucking ball from Blender. If you defend this I have no respect for you.
the problem with this take is that you dont understand these problems are dealt with by completely different people. the people marketing and monetizing the game,the people balancing the game, and people making the cosmetics, and the people who port it to PC, areal different people. I agree the monetization in tekken is really predatory and bad, but the FGC needs to learn that monetization, and literally everything else about the game, are controlled by different teams. Even the "but money spent on one could have been spent on the other" arguement makes no sense since it's not a 1 to 1. There are real people doing a job behind these games. and they are thinking about the solutions more than anyone else. complaining about bad monetization because the game isn't balanced is like complaining about bad service at a restaurant because the food took too long
Pretty sure Bamco doesn't have just one guy responsible for everything and MTX were coming independent of how well the game launched. "Hold the MTX! Little Jimmy isn't happy with the state of the game yet. Get everyone busy fixing the game. Get Mary the receptionist a wrench. We need every helping hand we can get!"
lmao y'all would have literally DIED in the 90's and early 2000's if you think stuff is bad now
Theres a massive difference between a kusoge and a game that is artificially boosting certain characters power levels in order to sell their costumes as microtransactions Also HFTF, 3S and XXAC are peak fighting games dont even dare compare them to this trash
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I'm not even that interested in battle passes, the most important thing about a game is supposed to be the gameplay, not spending your wallet on extra costumes and characters that you can simply not buy.
Funny how you can talk with all those corprate dicks in your mouth.
Since Tekken is the big MTX topic atm, I shall attempt to summarize the problem that seems to be the biggest point. Their problem isn't directly the MTX and battlepasses it the fact that outfits you could get completely for free just by playing the game are now locked behind microtransactions. Tekken a game with some of the best customization in fgs, that was all given to you for free, has now limited the amount of customization you get for free and if you want costumes that used to be free you now have to pay for it.
Assuming that monetization is necessary for sustaining a live service (and that we are discussing a live service game), at what point of the game's lifespan is it fair for a developer to begin charging for assets? What heuristic determines which assets are additional to the base game and which are not? Speaking to your point, you reflect on how "costumes that used to be free", which implies that these costumes existed before as free assets in Tekken 8 and are just now being locked behind a sale. Is this true?
I think the thing that bothers me (and everyone else can be different) is that Tekken kind of did it in a dishonest way, where they very specifically didn't advertise that they were adding microtransactions in post-launch (instead, waiting until it was too late to refund the game) AND had multiple interviews talking about how they were planning to reduce customisation AND be more fair than other companies about their pricing. The original physical copies of Tekken 8 don't have any warning about microtransactions, because they weren't in - they were added in later. Doing stuff like that to make your game not inform consumers of microtransactions (plus reviews said no microtransactions as well) sounds shady and dishonest. Going in interviews and talking about how you deliberately reduced customisation in the game to focus on gameplay, then adding customisations later at a cost without mentioning that as part of the plan seems shady to me too (even if it's technically honest?). To me, the thing that bothers me is the lack of being honest about how the game was going to be monetised. Street Fighter 6 hid the battle pass until launch, but the premium currency was known since the beta; and they did launch the game with it so everyone had the chance to refund it at that point. I still wish the battle pass was known information before launch for SF6 as well, but at least they didn't wait months after launch to sneak it in; and that's the part that makes me kind of peeved - publicly talking about how your pricing will be more fair, cosmetics/customisations are turned down, then launching a battle pass (that costs $10 because you can't buy $6 of currency) feels bad compared to just being upfront. I think other people have their complaints with it too, but I don't mind if games have monetisation for cosmetics. I just mind how they go about informing the consumers and players on how they're going to do it.
Corporate meat riders when they realize that complaint posts are optional to see and that is not obligatory to respond to keep scrolling
Companies also don't care about unnecessary complaints about microtransactions
I'm kinda tired of corpos who are destroying the industry and their brainwashed defenders.
good! because nobody anywhere is destroying SHIT. fighting games are in the best place they've been since '96 we're getting the best products and the best support ever
The industry has already been half destroyed by the competitive scene
You know what we're not gonna do? Defend shitty predatory business practices and poor consumer experience just so multimillionaire companies can get a few more bucks
something that was free before is being taken away and being charged for often a similar or sometimes the same product. that is why you should be mad. yes optional still not great as a consumer.
That doesn't help the fact that they constantly shove them in your face and use manipulative practices designed by psychologists to extract the most amount of money from people.if the game wasn't popping up with "ooh look at these cool new costumes you know you want to buy it" I would have less of an issue with them. Also it is deceptive to consumers to wait until after the review period to introduce or announce mtx. At T8's launch the vast majority of the cosmetics could be earned with in game currency, rewarding you for playing the game. Now the shop will slowly be filled with cosmetics awarding you for swiping your credit card more. I was able to deal with this. But fuck battle passes in a full price game. I've burnt out of so many games trying to grind to complete battle passes.
Please explain to me how micro transactions make Tekken or any other game better.
Explain to me why it is necessary to buy extra costumes to continue enjoying the game?
Explain to me why it is necessary to buy extra costumes to continue enjoying the game?
Technically speaking it isn’t. The thing is though, in previous games you could just unlock the costumes by playing the game. So what did the micro transactions add that made the game better because I’m not seeing it.
Well, things aren't like they used to be, doing that Currently means That the developers would be working for free. (And nobody likes to work for free) Also, people don't have the patience to unlock everything and that's why they hack games to have everything at once. >So what did the micro transactions add that made the game better because I’m not seeing it. DLCS,The DLCs are literally microtransactions and I don't see anyone complaining and crying that they have to pay real money to unlock an extra character, that's already normalized at this point Plus it's not even a "Pay to win" case, you can still win or enjoy the game without the need to unlock or buy anything
Since the game costs roughly $70 they wouldn't be working for free. >Also, people don't have the patience to unlock everything Not everyone has this problem, and even if they did, there are better solutions than an in-game paywall. >The DLCs are literally microtransactions and I don't see anyone complaining First, no they're not or to be more accurate, DLC isn't inherently the same as microtransactions. Here's [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtransaction#:~:text=Microtransactions%20(mtx)%20is%20a%20business,revenue%20source%20for%20the%20developers), and here's [Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/microtransaction). Second, while most are fine with paying for a new character to be added to a game, there are still critics for DLC characters. The fact that its additional content being added and that it's a character make a big difference for a lot of people. Also, people do complain because you'd have to buy the character if you want to train against them.
Yea I agree.. it's pointless to get angry about that.. as if that'd make any difference I buy Season passes if I like the characters, that's it. I don't buy skins usually, if I buy them that's my choice.. sounds obvious Do ppl rather not have any DLC? They would cry that the company doesn't care about the game and just abandoned it... How do you think the employees get paid? You think they work for free? Ppl here calling you a little kid etc. but thinking that DLC and skins should be free, if that's how they make money to pay all their recources and still have to make profit on top of it.... thinking they'd work for free and only sell the main game is delusional, if it sells they will keep offering it, it's a fucking business.. not their fun side hustle or hobby
Most of the time, they're costumes and that's it.
For a lot of games that have micro transactions, it ends up becoming the main focus of the game. Not the gameplay and it's quality. You don't partake in micro transactions and the support ends early. You do and that's all the game ends up being about
Post this in the tekken sub and watch the wah wahs
OP when people criticize corporations belonging to a specific industry that refuses to learn over and over again:
I think there’s a few things at play. Broadly I’d like to support the fighting games I love so the devs make more and release more content. I’m happy to do this by buying dlc characters and costumes. Specifically I feel there have been some issues. Street fighter 6 just hasn’t had enough content outside of world tour stuff, 1 costume? Thats it? Tekken is going at a faster pace but obviously there was some issues in the last patch. I think if they were more upfront about it, and a bit less cynical people would be happy. For example I really don’t like the in game currency shit where they do that thing where the lowest bit you can buy is enough 1 and half items, and hey it’s only a half so may as well get the more expensive one. It’s just scummy. If devs releases regular content updates for the actual in game fighters, even if it’s just bonus colours, on top of the dlc characters, i guarantee the fgc would buy. We love fucking character customisation
Too true.
100% agreed. People feel personally offended because they want to pay dress up with their fighting action figures for free SO BAD.
Companies feel personally offended because they want players to pay dress up with their fighting action figures for 10 dollars the pixel SO BAD. That's not even addressing Fatalities and/or characters which is just cut content that shouldn't be on sale
I might actually give Tekken a try if it wasn't polluted with cancerous customization.
...don't do the customization....?
I mean my opponents customization. Can't turn that off like in SF6.