I will give her the benefit of the doubt until the retrial is resulted, since both Skater A and Skater C told their sides of the story and did not mention Skater B's involvement in the events.
I donāt understand why the federation didnāt do a more thorough investigation before releasing details to the public. Especially when this situation involves a minor.
This is what I am most upset about. This involves a minor and two young adults and it was pretty easy to find out who they are. Why was all this information made public? Regardless of what happened, I am worried about the mental state of all of them. This should not have happened.
I am actually very worried this is going to result in a death. This is making the national news there and if the scrutiny in English forums is this bad, I can only imagine the purity/shaming culture seen with other Korean idols.
Regarding making the information public: once the suspensions were issued, there wasn't really any chance of keeping it completely out of the public eye.
Remember how quickly Valieva got identified as the one with the failed doping test even when they were trying to keep her identity secret, to the point where they were forced to confirm her identity publicly, even with her being under 16? Or how details of Daniel Grassl's ban got picked apart prior to being publicly released?
Once a ban got issued, they were going to have to say someone to prevent the rumour mill from starting up. Whether they said the right thing is another matter entirely, but radio silence wasn't much of an option.
Which is why they shouldnāt have announced the ban until theyād fully investigated. Like it seems like a whole mess and no one knows whatās going on.
They clearly felt they had investigated enough to issue a ban, and not announcing it would have just resulted in the same gossip and speculation once competitions started up.
I don't think there is really anything KSU could have done here that wouldn't have had some kind of negative consequences, and ultimately whatever they did would have gotten them some kind of heat from the public. It's easy for us as outsiders to criticise KSU when we aren't stuck in the same difficult situation they are where anything they do is going to be the 'wrong' course of action by some interpretation.
HL looks like shes spiralling. I get that shes A, and everyone is rightly pissed at her... Im just worried. Ever since she made those statements and showed the texts, to me it she looks like shes in a very dark place.
Sorry, but can you explain how it was easy to find out who everyone was in the case? Everyone keeps saying that but I haven't seen any explanations. I'm not super plugged into the Korean skaters and even less so because it's the off season, what did I miss?
Plus the media used pictures with a blurred face, but the costumes were obvious. I at first wanted to assume they used random photos but I feel like that was not the case due to the other reports
Iām not gonna lie going by what is reported in the Korean news slapdash following of protocol seems to be a theme in Korean politics/sports/entertainment. Then again perhaps you could say that about most countries and itās only that Korean institutions are less adept at covering things up.Ā
Agree, ksu mess up. It seems like they cooked up a story just to ban people. The correct way should be thorough investigation, inform them of their punishment, and the perpetrators to acknowledge and write an apology or something
Summary of translation:
Skater B who received a sanction of 1 year suspension by the KSU for the allegations of photographing without consent came forth and refuted the allegation by stating that she has never shown the picture to a 3rd party.
A representative of skater B stated through YNA, "skater B is reflecting on her mistakes such as consuming alcohol, but the actual facts are different from what has been made known to the public. [We will] make things straight through the Korean Sports Federation's retrial."
The representative said, "It is true that skater B took [a] picture[s] of Haein Lee, but it was not a situation that would have caused sexual discomfort, and skater B had never shown the picture to skater C(the victim of sexual harassment allegation made against Haein Lee). Skater B reported that she never showed this picture to anyone during the KSU investigation, but it seems like KSU had some misunderstandings during the investigation process while fact checking."
Translator corrected the link, so sorry the link in the original post is broken. https://x.com/seha_bk/status/1806354385309696236
What an absolute mess.
I can think of four scenarios here. 1) YY took a sexy pic of HL with her consent, 2) YY took a creeper pic of HL while HL was undressing in their shared room, 3) YY was a witness to whatever HL did to the boy, and wanted to document it to help the boy, 4) YY took an innocent picture that the investigators misinterpreted.
I will note that C was never listed as a victim of B. Which is strange, since it was reported that he received an unsolicited (?) inappropriate picture from her phone. Was this actually in the press? There has been so much misinformation flying about this case...
And if YY insists she didn't share the picture with anyone, then how did the investigators come to know of it?
Nothing makes sense here. From the very start, it didn't make much sense that there were two perpetrators and two victims. People have made jumps in logic and stated as fact that the boy had reported the events, but that was never actually said in the press. We don't know who reported what.
At this point it almost sounds like the investigators confiscated all three of their phones, and drew their own conclusions. But here, YY also seems to state that they have not even *seen* the incriminating picture?! If that's the truth, what are they basing her ban on exactly?
What a mess...
I would not be surprised if it turns out it was a consensual photo that KSU found inappropriate (revealing outfit, drinking, etc) or it was something mentioned in texts or during the investigation that didn't actually happen (e.g., maybe Haein wanted to send a sexy photo).
Seriously.
Girls at this age take sexy photos when drunk all. The. Time. Girls older and younger than this take sexy photos of each other when drinking. It doesnāt even have to be sexy - drinking with friends = photos. We have less context of this photo than necessary to judge.
This is a nightmare, KSU should have involved the police before any discipline actions and releasing information to the public. In some other country's news reports, all of these skaters' names are revealed. Skater A and B are publicly seen as rapists.
If these teenagers are not skaters, the result could be much different now. This is exactly why parents need to know the risks of putting their children into competitive figure skating. The environment is toxic, and irresponsible fed could make anything that should be handled privately publicly known.
We really need to stop sharing and talking about this. K-Fed should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. What a a disaster. I haven't even read this and I don't want to. There is too much out there and it seems all of these young people are in no way being supported. Skaters having to represent themselves to the media without any kind of representation...not good. Even just the fact that the victim is known at this point. It's all horrible.
3 victims in my opinion. The girls are just turned to adultsā¦biologically. My guess is the skater Cās coaching parents playing the politics/games and exaggerating the whole situation. Letās teenagers be teenagers. Yes, they do something dumb sometimes but they should not get life sentence like that. Anyway, nobody knows the real truth and I donāt trust Korea skating federation report. The best way to find the truth is to have cops involved in this case. Hope the girls hire the best lawyers and sue for defamation if needed.
Her Instagram was the first to bear the brunt of all these misinformation. Because skater Aās Instagram comment section was shut down, everyone flocked to Bās Instagram and left comments that sounded as if she was the one who sexually assaulted C.
I will give her the benefit of the doubt until the retrial is resulted, since both Skater A and Skater C told their sides of the story and did not mention Skater B's involvement in the events.
So skater B took a photo of A but claims that it wasn't sexual and that they also never showed it to C š¤
It couldve been just A and C close together. Like sitting next to each other. We honestly dont know.
I donāt understand why the federation didnāt do a more thorough investigation before releasing details to the public. Especially when this situation involves a minor.
This is what I am most upset about. This involves a minor and two young adults and it was pretty easy to find out who they are. Why was all this information made public? Regardless of what happened, I am worried about the mental state of all of them. This should not have happened.
I am actually very worried this is going to result in a death. This is making the national news there and if the scrutiny in English forums is this bad, I can only imagine the purity/shaming culture seen with other Korean idols.
Oh 100% Iāve thought about that too. Either an athlete, parent, or coach. Iād guess at least one death if not a hospitalization
Regarding making the information public: once the suspensions were issued, there wasn't really any chance of keeping it completely out of the public eye. Remember how quickly Valieva got identified as the one with the failed doping test even when they were trying to keep her identity secret, to the point where they were forced to confirm her identity publicly, even with her being under 16? Or how details of Daniel Grassl's ban got picked apart prior to being publicly released? Once a ban got issued, they were going to have to say someone to prevent the rumour mill from starting up. Whether they said the right thing is another matter entirely, but radio silence wasn't much of an option.
Which is why they shouldnāt have announced the ban until theyād fully investigated. Like it seems like a whole mess and no one knows whatās going on.
They clearly felt they had investigated enough to issue a ban, and not announcing it would have just resulted in the same gossip and speculation once competitions started up. I don't think there is really anything KSU could have done here that wouldn't have had some kind of negative consequences, and ultimately whatever they did would have gotten them some kind of heat from the public. It's easy for us as outsiders to criticise KSU when we aren't stuck in the same difficult situation they are where anything they do is going to be the 'wrong' course of action by some interpretation.
HL looks like shes spiralling. I get that shes A, and everyone is rightly pissed at her... Im just worried. Ever since she made those statements and showed the texts, to me it she looks like shes in a very dark place.
Iām worried about her too. I hope she comes out of this ok.
Sorry, but can you explain how it was easy to find out who everyone was in the case? Everyone keeps saying that but I haven't seen any explanations. I'm not super plugged into the Korean skaters and even less so because it's the off season, what did I miss?
A&B were specified as female seniors, and there were only 2 female seniors at the camp
It was a really small training camp, something like only 10 skaters
Plus the media used pictures with a blurred face, but the costumes were obvious. I at first wanted to assume they used random photos but I feel like that was not the case due to the other reports
Iām not gonna lie going by what is reported in the Korean news slapdash following of protocol seems to be a theme in Korean politics/sports/entertainment. Then again perhaps you could say that about most countries and itās only that Korean institutions are less adept at covering things up.Ā
Possibly out of fear of not moving fast enough and getting public kudos for being efficient in responding to sexual harm?
idk, if they waited people would be mad they're not being transparent. but i agree, they should have at least fully found out what has happened
Agree, ksu mess up. It seems like they cooked up a story just to ban people. The correct way should be thorough investigation, inform them of their punishment, and the perpetrators to acknowledge and write an apology or something
Looks like OP's link was deleted as the translator needed to make a correction https://x.com/seha_bk/status/1806354385309696236
Oh, thanks.
Summary of translation: Skater B who received a sanction of 1 year suspension by the KSU for the allegations of photographing without consent came forth and refuted the allegation by stating that she has never shown the picture to a 3rd party. A representative of skater B stated through YNA, "skater B is reflecting on her mistakes such as consuming alcohol, but the actual facts are different from what has been made known to the public. [We will] make things straight through the Korean Sports Federation's retrial." The representative said, "It is true that skater B took [a] picture[s] of Haein Lee, but it was not a situation that would have caused sexual discomfort, and skater B had never shown the picture to skater C(the victim of sexual harassment allegation made against Haein Lee). Skater B reported that she never showed this picture to anyone during the KSU investigation, but it seems like KSU had some misunderstandings during the investigation process while fact checking." Translator corrected the link, so sorry the link in the original post is broken. https://x.com/seha_bk/status/1806354385309696236
If this is true, it just sounds like an absolute mess of an investigation/announcement by KSU.
Looks like someone is actually listening to a PR crisis communicator.
What an absolute mess. I can think of four scenarios here. 1) YY took a sexy pic of HL with her consent, 2) YY took a creeper pic of HL while HL was undressing in their shared room, 3) YY was a witness to whatever HL did to the boy, and wanted to document it to help the boy, 4) YY took an innocent picture that the investigators misinterpreted. I will note that C was never listed as a victim of B. Which is strange, since it was reported that he received an unsolicited (?) inappropriate picture from her phone. Was this actually in the press? There has been so much misinformation flying about this case... And if YY insists she didn't share the picture with anyone, then how did the investigators come to know of it? Nothing makes sense here. From the very start, it didn't make much sense that there were two perpetrators and two victims. People have made jumps in logic and stated as fact that the boy had reported the events, but that was never actually said in the press. We don't know who reported what. At this point it almost sounds like the investigators confiscated all three of their phones, and drew their own conclusions. But here, YY also seems to state that they have not even *seen* the incriminating picture?! If that's the truth, what are they basing her ban on exactly? What a mess...
I would not be surprised if it turns out it was a consensual photo that KSU found inappropriate (revealing outfit, drinking, etc) or it was something mentioned in texts or during the investigation that didn't actually happen (e.g., maybe Haein wanted to send a sexy photo).
Seriously. Girls at this age take sexy photos when drunk all. The. Time. Girls older and younger than this take sexy photos of each other when drinking. It doesnāt even have to be sexy - drinking with friends = photos. We have less context of this photo than necessary to judge.
it's a giant mess tbh.
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Iām suspecting that Cās parents saw the phone and reported it.
Part of it is definitely mistranslations / those auto generated translations that make zero sense
Is it deleted? I canāt view it at all now
It was taken down because the translation was not adequate.Ā
This is a nightmare, KSU should have involved the police before any discipline actions and releasing information to the public. In some other country's news reports, all of these skaters' names are revealed. Skater A and B are publicly seen as rapists. If these teenagers are not skaters, the result could be much different now. This is exactly why parents need to know the risks of putting their children into competitive figure skating. The environment is toxic, and irresponsible fed could make anything that should be handled privately publicly known.
Skater B did nothing wrong. Stupid ksu trying to mess things up and malign someone.
I feel so bad for all 3. Teenagers drink and have sex. The public just really didnāt need to know.
We really need to stop sharing and talking about this. K-Fed should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. What a a disaster. I haven't even read this and I don't want to. There is too much out there and it seems all of these young people are in no way being supported. Skaters having to represent themselves to the media without any kind of representation...not good. Even just the fact that the victim is known at this point. It's all horrible.
3 victims in my opinion. The girls are just turned to adultsā¦biologically. My guess is the skater Cās coaching parents playing the politics/games and exaggerating the whole situation. Letās teenagers be teenagers. Yes, they do something dumb sometimes but they should not get life sentence like that. Anyway, nobody knows the real truth and I donāt trust Korea skating federation report. The best way to find the truth is to have cops involved in this case. Hope the girls hire the best lawyers and sue for defamation if needed.
Her Instagram was the first to bear the brunt of all these misinformation. Because skater Aās Instagram comment section was shut down, everyone flocked to Bās Instagram and left comments that sounded as if she was the one who sexually assaulted C.
this is a full on kdrama at this point šæš
Tbh I'm finding all of this incredibly depressing, we are talking about teens and what was probably their first relationship.
You got that rightĀ