From an email from my districts pres
"As well, we need to get serious with sending some financial assistance and I am requesting that your Local send a check to PO Box 1768, Renton, Washington 98057 made out to the I-66 Strike Fund. Maybe work some OT time and send that in to help keep their lights on. You can call I-66 Treasurer Ryan Lind at 425-760-3851 to make other arrangements for a donation. Our goal is to collect $400K because we are in this for however long this lockout may take."
I worked for an industrial, in house fire brigade for almost 15 years in aero/ defense. Similar to Boeing but not them. Boeing has been planning for this for at least a year. Lawyers, negotiations, bean counters etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they had someone qualified for every ff position ready to go. They build these contingency plans starting years before negotiations so they have all their ducks in a row if and when a strike happens. They will bring in Allied, Pinkerton, or Securitas the minute the stike is initiated and all the contractors will cross the picket line because they don't have anything to lose.
When the company I worked for had negotiations with the aerospace manufacturing union they would train the salary staff on how run forklifts and basically manage a small amount of hourly tasks so that production didn't all together stop. They would hire private investigators to tail union members they expected to cause problems, they had job site trailers and RVs all set up on stand by in case of a strike vote so empoeyees could stay on site and not cross the picket line.
Damn. I knew they would do crazy shit, my experience with firefighters is they are either union or volunteers, and volunteers don't have much if anything in the way of specialized training or qualifications. they know structure fires, and I've trained a few in Hazmat response but I doubt they have any training in airport operations and definitely zero practical experience.
Nah not allied or Securitas. They’ll use companies that specialize in strikes. Pinkerton is a possibility but not likely. The three I’d expect to see are Huffmaster (most likely as they’re expensive but best quality), A F IMAC (almost as expensive but they have a large pool of officers ready to go so they can get there in a hurry) or if they go cheap they’ll use Phillips Group Inc. For the staffing side they’ll probably use Stromm or Madicorps.
Source: I used to do strike work with all these companies except for Madicorp.
Edit: look at you people down voting me because y’all’s actions created a new industry. Strike security wouldn’t be a thing if picketers would just fucking behave while on the line. I’ve had everything from glass bottles to jack rocks thrown across the line at me, I’m partially blind in one eye after a picket shined a very powerful laser in my eye, I’ve had picketers smash the windows on our vehicles, had picketers break in and sabotage equipment, use both weapons and words to coerce non unionized people to comply with their demands, seen people shoot each other on the line and even once had a guard under my command get stabbed in the back (and die) after a picketer ran into him at a nearby Burger King. This list could go on for days.
Edit 2: I don’t give a fuck what you assholes think of me. I did what I needed to do at the time to pay for a roof over my head, my grandmother’s insulin and go to school. I now have a job where we’re quietly laying the groundwork to join a nearby local.
Fun fact: I’ve had plenty of fun on the line. Somewhere I even have a photo of myself with scabby the rat. The small strikes where yall stay peaceful are the ones I got along with, I remember one year a strike was going on Halloween and we brought candy to give to the kids as the union held a trunk-or-treat just outside the gate.
Honest question are you just unaware of the history of the Pinkertons and other groups being brought in to literally murder and terrorize strikers? Like the violence has always been worse from companies.
It’s been a very long time since the Pinkertons behaved that way. Now a days companies in my experience don’t instigate the violence, but picketers will if negotiations stall out or they start losing.
Well 1 you are ignoring that by scabbing people are literally threatening their livelihoods and the safety and security of their families which is certainly a type of violence.
But 2 if you think that state backed violence by police or strike breakers does not occur by those same companies across the world and even in the US you are blind.
In 5 years of doing strike security I never encountered an example of the company instigating violence in any way. But many times had picketers violate any number of local, state or federal ordinances/laws that dictate how strike occur. Companies dont need to instigate violence, it’s cheaper for them to put up an appearance of negotiating in good faith but simultaneously drag their heels as far as the law allows, until they wear down the picketers resolve and the union signs a sub par contract just so yall can return to work. That’s how the companies “win”.
Vice versa I’ve seen unions drag their heels as much as the companies do *but* yall have to allow the company to continue operating so enough cash is coming in to keep them afloat until regular workers return post negotiations. Many companies cannot afford (legally *OR* financially) to completely stop operations. Loss of income for months on end would destroy many companies and cause permanent job losses and critical industries can’t stop because the rest of America relies on their products in one way or another.
Oh wow I just looked them up.
"Pro-Tec Fire Services offers innovative aircraft rescue training and management (meeting FAA and NFPA standards) to the entire North American region."
They're just scabs for ARFF. That's the whole reason they exist. Being a scab should be dangerous and make you a social pariah.
The ones in most of the state locations are not unionized, but you are right the vast majority of pro-tec guys came from cities and the DOD and are pro-union.
Or maybe people have different views on organized labor and that's their right. Just as the union members are free to strike. Actions have consequences.
Interesting definition of theft. Your labor is not your own to sell, I guess. I know I'm an outlier as a non-union supporting firefighter but that's some interesting logic.
Non-union supporting firefighter? So you support labor being taking away from the hard work of a unionized work force from a multi-billion dollars corporation that’s legit killing whistleblowers? Fuck outta here.
You can't talk sense to most union firefighters about certain aspects of firefighting. Some of the people you're making points against have iaff tattoos
Yea it is really tough to talk shit about unions to people benefitting from the pensions, benefits, and protections of unions. Anti-union rhetoric only works on people who are not already benefiting from unions.
Nah I'm just saying that a lot of iaff firefighters are sharing one brain cell. Let's go interior on everything. Floor collapsing already? Interior. Roof ready to come down? Interior. Let's not forget about taking 4 to everything. Grandma fell in the bathroom? Must have 4 in an engine to go. CPR starting? Let's start a 4 person call back for manpower.
They didn't. They are leaning on public emergency services with some sort of skeleton crew backup. This isn't going to work as they not trained for this at all.
Boeing needs those firefighters to protect their assets. Of course, anytime contract negotiatiopns come up, a company will cry poor house and say they cannot afford to pay.
If any of you Brothers and Sisters are here, letting you know other locals have donated money to your strike fund, political power to your electeds, and even people to physically come in support.
Thank you brother/sister. I’m one of the members effected and out on the front lines. Let your people know how much we appreciate them and their support.
1000% garanatee they are sitting at that table crying about how broke they are, because they're in the perfect spot to leverage their negative press against the union.
As of now we as neighboring departments are responding to all EMS calls at Everett Boeing plant. There are four department that surround this plant. Haven’t heard on ARRF response yet.
What a shameful thing for Boeing to do. I hope our brothers and sisters stay strong. Anyone have a link to the strike fund?
Can’t kill them all!
Only if they are whistleblowers
From an email from my districts pres "As well, we need to get serious with sending some financial assistance and I am requesting that your Local send a check to PO Box 1768, Renton, Washington 98057 made out to the I-66 Strike Fund. Maybe work some OT time and send that in to help keep their lights on. You can call I-66 Treasurer Ryan Lind at 425-760-3851 to make other arrangements for a donation. Our goal is to collect $400K because we are in this for however long this lockout may take."
Second this. Would love to support a strike fund
Where the hell did Boeing find 125 qualified firefighters and paramedics that aren't part of a union?
I worked for an industrial, in house fire brigade for almost 15 years in aero/ defense. Similar to Boeing but not them. Boeing has been planning for this for at least a year. Lawyers, negotiations, bean counters etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they had someone qualified for every ff position ready to go. They build these contingency plans starting years before negotiations so they have all their ducks in a row if and when a strike happens. They will bring in Allied, Pinkerton, or Securitas the minute the stike is initiated and all the contractors will cross the picket line because they don't have anything to lose. When the company I worked for had negotiations with the aerospace manufacturing union they would train the salary staff on how run forklifts and basically manage a small amount of hourly tasks so that production didn't all together stop. They would hire private investigators to tail union members they expected to cause problems, they had job site trailers and RVs all set up on stand by in case of a strike vote so empoeyees could stay on site and not cross the picket line.
Damn. I knew they would do crazy shit, my experience with firefighters is they are either union or volunteers, and volunteers don't have much if anything in the way of specialized training or qualifications. they know structure fires, and I've trained a few in Hazmat response but I doubt they have any training in airport operations and definitely zero practical experience.
Not sure how they would work the arff side of things. Probably just ground test flights.
Nah not allied or Securitas. They’ll use companies that specialize in strikes. Pinkerton is a possibility but not likely. The three I’d expect to see are Huffmaster (most likely as they’re expensive but best quality), A F IMAC (almost as expensive but they have a large pool of officers ready to go so they can get there in a hurry) or if they go cheap they’ll use Phillips Group Inc. For the staffing side they’ll probably use Stromm or Madicorps. Source: I used to do strike work with all these companies except for Madicorp. Edit: look at you people down voting me because y’all’s actions created a new industry. Strike security wouldn’t be a thing if picketers would just fucking behave while on the line. I’ve had everything from glass bottles to jack rocks thrown across the line at me, I’m partially blind in one eye after a picket shined a very powerful laser in my eye, I’ve had picketers smash the windows on our vehicles, had picketers break in and sabotage equipment, use both weapons and words to coerce non unionized people to comply with their demands, seen people shoot each other on the line and even once had a guard under my command get stabbed in the back (and die) after a picketer ran into him at a nearby Burger King. This list could go on for days. Edit 2: I don’t give a fuck what you assholes think of me. I did what I needed to do at the time to pay for a roof over my head, my grandmother’s insulin and go to school. I now have a job where we’re quietly laying the groundwork to join a nearby local. Fun fact: I’ve had plenty of fun on the line. Somewhere I even have a photo of myself with scabby the rat. The small strikes where yall stay peaceful are the ones I got along with, I remember one year a strike was going on Halloween and we brought candy to give to the kids as the union held a trunk-or-treat just outside the gate.
Scab
Fuck you. I did what I had to avoid being homeless. And you would too.
No I have standards
Scab
Honest question are you just unaware of the history of the Pinkertons and other groups being brought in to literally murder and terrorize strikers? Like the violence has always been worse from companies.
It’s been a very long time since the Pinkertons behaved that way. Now a days companies in my experience don’t instigate the violence, but picketers will if negotiations stall out or they start losing.
Well 1 you are ignoring that by scabbing people are literally threatening their livelihoods and the safety and security of their families which is certainly a type of violence. But 2 if you think that state backed violence by police or strike breakers does not occur by those same companies across the world and even in the US you are blind.
In 5 years of doing strike security I never encountered an example of the company instigating violence in any way. But many times had picketers violate any number of local, state or federal ordinances/laws that dictate how strike occur. Companies dont need to instigate violence, it’s cheaper for them to put up an appearance of negotiating in good faith but simultaneously drag their heels as far as the law allows, until they wear down the picketers resolve and the union signs a sub par contract just so yall can return to work. That’s how the companies “win”. Vice versa I’ve seen unions drag their heels as much as the companies do *but* yall have to allow the company to continue operating so enough cash is coming in to keep them afloat until regular workers return post negotiations. Many companies cannot afford (legally *OR* financially) to completely stop operations. Loss of income for months on end would destroy many companies and cause permanent job losses and critical industries can’t stop because the rest of America relies on their products in one way or another.
I have on good authority pro-tec fire services is sending ff’s to be scabs
Oh wow I just looked them up. "Pro-Tec Fire Services offers innovative aircraft rescue training and management (meeting FAA and NFPA standards) to the entire North American region." They're just scabs for ARFF. That's the whole reason they exist. Being a scab should be dangerous and make you a social pariah.
what is a scab?
The lowest form of life on Earth
yeah but what is it in this context?
Someone that crosses a picket line to work a union position during a lockout or strike for that union.
Thank you. I have never heard of it before in that context
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If they are union and crossing a picket line that’s way way worse than being a scab.
For real
The ones in most of the state locations are not unionized, but you are right the vast majority of pro-tec guys came from cities and the DOD and are pro-union.
Or maybe people have different views on organized labor and that's their right. Just as the union members are free to strike. Actions have consequences.
And some people have different views on theft, it’s the same thing, they are stealing from other workers.
Interesting definition of theft. Your labor is not your own to sell, I guess. I know I'm an outlier as a non-union supporting firefighter but that's some interesting logic.
Non-union supporting firefighter? So you support labor being taking away from the hard work of a unionized work force from a multi-billion dollars corporation that’s legit killing whistleblowers? Fuck outta here.
He's been in tech most of his life and if he's ever been a firefighter it's most likely a little vollie experience here and there.
Can't imagine how welcome someone with a difference of opinion is at your firehouse.
If that different opinion affects their income then yes you can go f yourself
We don’t have scabs so that’s not really an issue whatsoever.
Sounds like you like licking boots
Fire unions in the US cannot strike
You can't talk sense to most union firefighters about certain aspects of firefighting. Some of the people you're making points against have iaff tattoos
Yea it is really tough to talk shit about unions to people benefitting from the pensions, benefits, and protections of unions. Anti-union rhetoric only works on people who are not already benefiting from unions.
Nah I'm just saying that a lot of iaff firefighters are sharing one brain cell. Let's go interior on everything. Floor collapsing already? Interior. Roof ready to come down? Interior. Let's not forget about taking 4 to everything. Grandma fell in the bathroom? Must have 4 in an engine to go. CPR starting? Let's start a 4 person call back for manpower.
Sounds like issues with leadership not with unions, literally nothing about that is a union issue.
Dude what are the you talking about? None of those are union issues.
Seriously, "brother."
Are you really on here openly saying you'd take someone's job if they went on strike, and then complaining that they don't see you as a brother?
I don't need a union to tell me who to associate with.
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They didn't. They are leaning on public emergency services with some sort of skeleton crew backup. This isn't going to work as they not trained for this at all.
Boeing has been doing so well of late…. /s
Killing whistleblowers.
Hold the line, fight, live better with your union.
Boeing needs those firefighters to protect their assets. Of course, anytime contract negotiatiopns come up, a company will cry poor house and say they cannot afford to pay.
Boeing is crying poor because every customer across the globe is cancelling orders for their shitty aircraft
When any company tries to play poorhouse, bring up executive compensation, benefits and perks (corporate jet, etc.). The room becomes silent.
Stay strong brothers and sisters Iaff-I66 has your back even those of us who aren't Boeing
If any of you Brothers and Sisters are here, letting you know other locals have donated money to your strike fund, political power to your electeds, and even people to physically come in support.
Thank you brother/sister. I’m one of the members effected and out on the front lines. Let your people know how much we appreciate them and their support.
You bet. One. More. Day.
1000% garanatee they are sitting at that table crying about how broke they are, because they're in the perfect spot to leverage their negative press against the union.
3rd party contracting company possibly
Where are they finding "replacement firefighters"?
Right now, it’s Chiefs who are salary
You just have to wonder how an exotic metal fire encroaching on flammable hazmat is going to play out with all of that scabby experience.
Can't up vote this enough
As of now we as neighboring departments are responding to all EMS calls at Everett Boeing plant. There are four department that surround this plant. Haven’t heard on ARRF response yet.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/boeing-threatens-lock-out-private-firefighters-seattle-dispute-pay/281-11638705-9c70-4692-bb84-2ea72d02ce49
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Boeing is locking out their firefighters and bringing in scabs because they refuse to pay firefighters competitive wages.
All me and the homies hate Boeing
I've had relatives that worked for Boeing in Washington State. The hate is universal.