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Heiter grew up in an orphanage. Himmel was from the same town, and mentioned Heiter as "a boy from the orphanage told me I'd never be a hero".
I was always under the impression Himmel had a family. Did they end up clarifying otherwise?
relatedly, when watching the anime with my mom, we were arguing back on forth on whether stark was the love child of taiga and ryuji from toradora, or kyo and tohru from fruits basket
Well, Toradora is a slice of life anime with wholesome vibes, as is Fruits Basket. And Frieren is too. So my guess is the viewing list is very different than like Gushing Over Magical Girls or something
This is why anime can't be. "genre" -- it's just the same medium coming form Japan. And it's frankly easy to curate a parent-friendly set of shows to view, without needing to limit yourself with Shinkai, Kon, Miyazaki and Hosoda.
That would be the mode/medium of viewing. Anime is the medium created for viewing. Genre is based around the content that invoke emotion while viewing. Books are not a genre they are a medium. The method of creating a book (screenplay, comic, novel, novela) does not mean genre. Genres would be Romance, action/adventure, and historical fiction.
Also I fully accept anyone replying to this with a nerd emoji
I appreciate you and the clear, concise, *high quality* of your semantic pedantry. That's not nerdy, as its not needless or whimsical. People who want to discuss serious topics like anime need to hammer out their definitions so they're not arguing past each other!
What you just did is set up any further conversation to maybe, just *maybe*, make a bit more sense, in this crazy world where everyone debates everything for no reason other than to feel their voice has been heard.
Keep at it. It's a heroic thing.
...now I'm going back to watching yuri, which for the media confused, *isn't* the definitive lesbian manga/anime genre. It's not definitive anything. No, really, *that's* its genre. It's ambiguous maybe-romance-maybe-tragedy that tortures the human heart with will-she-won't-she. The lesbian stuff is actually *satisfying* at some point. It resolves. People have real relationships. That's how you know its not yuri anymore.
Ahh, delicious suffering.
He certainly has Taiga's melee talents and unreasonable strength. But he doesn't look like a thug like Ryuji and also isn't obsessed with cleaning so i guess the similarities are few.
Dafuq so they recruited Frieren when he was 16? I thought he would have been at least like 20 when they started so 30 when they made it back after the 10 year journey. Damn thats young as hell.
In the middle ages if you lived past childhood your odds of making it at *least* to your 50s was quite high. The low average life expectancy came from high infant mortality rates, dragging the average waaaaay down.
We talk about persoanality here, even Kazuma is a god reincanated there is no way in hell he could create such a person like Himmel. If someone said Himmel is an alien that can mimic human, it is more believable than telling me Himmel is Kazuma and Aqua child.
It's anime filler, we don't know if she can throw up in canon, it never happened. But she does get drunk because only her skin purifies things, as long as the alcohol doesn't touch her lips much it's fine.
Not even the virginity, any sexual act will make them lose their power.
And as said on V10 if a God loses their power they vanish from existence.
Not that Aqua, if allowed to have sex, would ever get together with Kazuma who's way below her league.
Untrue.
Goddesses lose their power if they engage in sexual activities. If a God loses their power they vanish from existance.
So Aqua can't have children, but not due to the reason you mentioned.
She can ressurect Kazuma infinite times and she does it while she is also on earth. Why can't she literally do the same to herself? What the light novel says is that now she can die yeah, but nothing is stopping her to ressurect herself from the after life. She does it to Kazuma herself all the time after all.
To correct what the user above said, it's not mentioned in the LN but in Eris' Q&A, and they lose their goddess powers (which likely includes their immortality) if they lose their chastity.
Aqua can revive other characters, but only one time barring her overriding Eris for it.
Assuming they don’t die of natural causes. Growing Old, illness or if the body is entirely obliterated means no revive.
I can totally see Aqua running away if Kazuma dies and leaving Himmel on his own if that was an AU that existed.
She’s not at all, especially in the later volumes of the LN where.
she’s very kind but also very soft, Aqua is probably the least equipped out of the party to handle the permanent death of another.
Oooooh, i get it.
And he's a well adjusted functional human being because he saw how his parents and their friends interacted and decided to do the exact opposite in all things.
LOL!!!! He only inherited Aqua's blue hair, vanity and high skill apptitude, and Kazuma's vanity and awesome luck.........man, even though it was their vanity which prevented them to reached their full potential, i mean, when Kazuma throws his vanity away he can be strong, Aqua can be useful........Himmel doesn't suffer from it.
Guess those at the orphanage did a good job at raising him.
Oi! That makes a lot of sense! But when did all the scumbag personality went? He should have quite a high probability to get it considering who his parents are 🤔
Correction, they have no blue haired son. Only a blue haired daughter named Mizu. The son they do have is Kazuma Jr and he has brown hair like his father.
It is a reference to the manga ending where >!Kazuma ends up with Aqua and the epilogue shows them having a small Aqua with green eyes named Mizu and a small Kazuma son named Kazuma Jr with Aqua's eyes. The confession scene is funni as typical with Konosuba's humor but also sweet.!<
Umm... manga isn't finished yet. You mean the Konosuba WN? No kids were there, actually – she had shown some signs of affection towards Kazuma there in Epilogue, but the WN stopped here (or not, if you will treat the Aqua WN-SS as the continuation; but nothing interesting was there either).
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No wonder why he grew up in an orphanage!
With parents like that it isn't even surprising 😭
It beats being raised by them
Probably better to grow up in orphanage then them
Maybe he was an orphan by choice. Left the family at the ripe age of 2.
2 days mind you. He couldn't even see yet and still he somehow found a way to flee from them because they were just that terrible at parenting.
I think he's the one who left them, for not being able to keep up with their stupidity 🤣
They are basicallybasuna and kirito abridged.
Naww 😭😭Lmao so tru-
Anime Child Protective Services was doing its job for once.
Damn they definitely need a performance audit for a lot of shows
The fool kept using steal on his new moms.
Heiter grew up in an orphanage. Himmel was from the same town, and mentioned Heiter as "a boy from the orphanage told me I'd never be a hero". I was always under the impression Himmel had a family. Did they end up clarifying otherwise?
He mentioned that his mother died when he was very young. He was definitely an orphan
Most characters in the show are orphans
Death via EXPLOSION?
😆 🤣 😂 😹 fell off my damn chair 👏 👏
I'm glad.
Naahhhhhhh💀💀Wtf
So true! Comment of the day haha
that’s why he can’t pull out the Holy Sword, it rejects the genes of Kuzuma
Apparently Kuzuma also couldn't pull out "the holy sword"...
Wdym, he pulled the "Excalibur" out with the help of Aqua's words and Megumi's curiosity...???
Was that before or after he used the steal skill on them?
Chunchunmaru
What?? That's a terrible name for a sword!! You can't just name it that!
Henceforth, this sword's now called 'Chunchunmaru'. !
Megumi mentioned,deployiny the potential man memes
Always 'if' and 'when'... But never 'is'.
What if his sword was a new modded chunchunmaru
Those genes showed their faces when he screamed he wanted to see frieren panties 😂
Yup, I think this should be canon 🤣 And Heiter prays to Aqua, which is why he’s an OP but corrupt alcoholic priest
Or Heiter is actually their second child that inherited less of their physical looks, but more of their personality...
Green hair is like Yellow plus Blue Heiter is Dust and Aqua’s kid
The point about Heiter is so real lmao
Man, Axis cult Heiter is just... wow...
So they're bad parents who abandoned Himmel?
They just didn't want Himmel to inherit their debts.
Yet, they're **proud to say they are his parents** even though they didn't raise him?
Typical Kazuma / Aqua
relatedly, when watching the anime with my mom, we were arguing back on forth on whether stark was the love child of taiga and ryuji from toradora, or kyo and tohru from fruits basket
Man, it's cool to hear someone bonding with their parents thru anime. Respect.
I don't know how you watch this sht with your parents, I would feel uncomfortable ngl 😭😭
Well, Toradora is a slice of life anime with wholesome vibes, as is Fruits Basket. And Frieren is too. So my guess is the viewing list is very different than like Gushing Over Magical Girls or something
This is why anime can't be. "genre" -- it's just the same medium coming form Japan. And it's frankly easy to curate a parent-friendly set of shows to view, without needing to limit yourself with Shinkai, Kon, Miyazaki and Hosoda.
A medium is a TV or a paper it's the method in which something is conveyed animation is a genre with many sub genres
That would be the mode/medium of viewing. Anime is the medium created for viewing. Genre is based around the content that invoke emotion while viewing. Books are not a genre they are a medium. The method of creating a book (screenplay, comic, novel, novela) does not mean genre. Genres would be Romance, action/adventure, and historical fiction. Also I fully accept anyone replying to this with a nerd emoji
I appreciate you and the clear, concise, *high quality* of your semantic pedantry. That's not nerdy, as its not needless or whimsical. People who want to discuss serious topics like anime need to hammer out their definitions so they're not arguing past each other! What you just did is set up any further conversation to maybe, just *maybe*, make a bit more sense, in this crazy world where everyone debates everything for no reason other than to feel their voice has been heard. Keep at it. It's a heroic thing. ...now I'm going back to watching yuri, which for the media confused, *isn't* the definitive lesbian manga/anime genre. It's not definitive anything. No, really, *that's* its genre. It's ambiguous maybe-romance-maybe-tragedy that tortures the human heart with will-she-won't-she. The lesbian stuff is actually *satisfying* at some point. It resolves. People have real relationships. That's how you know its not yuri anymore. Ahh, delicious suffering.
Yeah Toradora is one of the better RomComs out there.
He certainly has Taiga's melee talents and unreasonable strength. But he doesn't look like a thug like Ryuji and also isn't obsessed with cleaning so i guess the similarities are few.
Toradora is so underrated
Underrated? It was like the most popular thing in it's prime. That's like saying Haruhi Suzumiya is underrated.
Tbf i wasn't there in its prime i just found about it this year
Even then people rank it among the greats such as Fruits Basket and Horimiya
Both are anime that all anime nerds know but few outside it do. Unlike, say, EVA or DBZ
There is no way Kazuma could produce a human being like Himmel
Due to Kazuma's luck stat, his child got the perfect stats across the board.
Not in longevity apparently..
wtf he died at 76, you wanted him to live past 100 or sum 😭
Well he did happen to fall for a woman where longevity is the main issue.
He should've been an elf..
How would that even work lmao
by fucking a god ... wait a min
Not to be that guy but Heiter lived longer than him and was an alcoholic
Priest with literal healing magic.
My grandpa made it to almost 90 after fighting in WWII, drinking like a fish, and smoking a pipe multiple times a day.
well that's him being a fucking badass
Heiter also looked a bit younger, so maybe he died second but still had a shorter lifespan? Himmel shrunk a huge amount, and Heiter just got wrinkly.
Dafuq so they recruited Frieren when he was 16? I thought he would have been at least like 20 when they started so 30 when they made it back after the 10 year journey. Damn thats young as hell.
Yeah they say his age when the Journey started
He made it to 90 bruh and killing monsters too
In an our worlds equivalent to the 12th century.. its a miracle honestly
Not that much of a miracle considering they have healing magic and stuff like that.
Booooo boooring
ohhhh .... so heiter helped him
In the middle ages if you lived past childhood your odds of making it at *least* to your 50s was quite high. The low average life expectancy came from high infant mortality rates, dragging the average waaaaay down.
Aqua's bad luck
There is no way Aqua could produce a human being like Himmel
(-)*(-)= (+) So they could double the negative and result in positive
Reverse bad parents technique: perfect child
We call this one the Forced Maturity Special
YOU ARE MY SPECIALZ
math!
“Science b*tch!”
Beat me to it!
peak fiction fr
Curse energy?
Reverse birth technique
She can't produce offspring so this is correct.
That's why he grew up in an orphanage, Kazuma and Aqua abandoning the baby because they couldn't deal with it is kind of, on brand
Two negatives, Aqua and Kazuma, put together produces a plus, Himmel. It adds up imo!
thing is Kazuma has a high luck stat and Aqua has a negative luck stat so it cancels out
He reaches the biggest stats an adventurer class has ever reached + aqua's own busted stats
We talk about persoanality here, even Kazuma is a god reincanated there is no way in hell he could create such a person like Himmel. If someone said Himmel is an alien that can mimic human, it is more believable than telling me Himmel is Kazuma and Aqua child.
Nature vs nurture.
Kazuma's stats are all low but for average INT and very high luck.
Himmel was an orphan. So they obviously just abandoned him at birth.
HIMmel
imagine Himmel with the snatch skill....lmao
Frieren isn't safe...
Aqua is literally unable to bore children because her body purifies all fluids into water
Luckily, Kazuma's seed isn't out of this world...
This was truly a god's blessing on this world
"Every Sperm Is Sacred" Monty Phython said
Ah, yes, kazuma. What a man you are..
This was truly our Kono Subarashi
Isn't it technically?
Aqua could get drunk
Can she get drunk, or does she just think she's drunk which makes her act like she is?
She throws up rainbow and I don’t think she can create it out of nothing
It's anime filler, we don't know if she can throw up in canon, it never happened. But she does get drunk because only her skin purifies things, as long as the alcohol doesn't touch her lips much it's fine.
That's a plot point in many ... Huh... Artistic depictions
Eris said if a goddess lost virginity, she would become a normal human
That's what the Big Heaven industry wants you to believe. But think about it; how do you make new gods then, uh?
Not even the virginity, any sexual act will make them lose their power. And as said on V10 if a God loses their power they vanish from existence. Not that Aqua, if allowed to have sex, would ever get together with Kazuma who's way below her league.
Then how does she get drunk?
He got lucky?
Untrue. Goddesses lose their power if they engage in sexual activities. If a God loses their power they vanish from existance. So Aqua can't have children, but not due to the reason you mentioned.
Every Frieren Flashback: Hai, Himmel desu!
Minus * minus = positive
It's just Kazuma's luck stat giving him busted skills.
Ah yes, the Reverse Curse Technique hero.
I ship it
What you doing! post this in r/Kazuqua !
It's well established that one of Kazuma's sons is Rance.
Nah that's his uncle
\- × - = +
And both of them would totally abandon a kid. He grew up in an orphanage.
Himmel is now able to steal ALL the panties in the world.
Technically, he already did
Not Frieren or at least it was delayed by like 80 years
Keep cooking
No wonder he's also fucken stupid.
Wouldn't that make Himmel immortal like Aqua?
Immortality is a recessive gene unfortunately.
Explains Hercules I guess whose father was the immortal Zeus.
It was mentioned in the konosuba LN that Goddesses lose their immortality after losing their chastity.
I choose to believe that was a lie because its more convenient that way
She can ressurect Kazuma infinite times and she does it while she is also on earth. Why can't she literally do the same to herself? What the light novel says is that now she can die yeah, but nothing is stopping her to ressurect herself from the after life. She does it to Kazuma herself all the time after all.
To correct what the user above said, it's not mentioned in the LN but in Eris' Q&A, and they lose their goddess powers (which likely includes their immortality) if they lose their chastity.
Aqua can revive other characters, but only one time barring her overriding Eris for it. Assuming they don’t die of natural causes. Growing Old, illness or if the body is entirely obliterated means no revive. I can totally see Aqua running away if Kazuma dies and leaving Himmel on his own if that was an AU that existed.
People give Aqua too littler credit. She really isn't a bad person.
She’s not at all, especially in the later volumes of the LN where. she’s very kind but also very soft, Aqua is probably the least equipped out of the party to handle the permanent death of another.
Their other kid inherited her brains and luck, and his strength
Aqua + Kazuma = Himmel Eris + Kazuma = Index Librorum Prohibitorum (Toaru) Anyone else that's missing?
LMAO the genes were so bad they canceld eachother out and created a perfect chad
That would be really accurate lmao.
I'm summon Megumi Oppenheimer
Himmel's mom didn't die; she dipped back to heaven
Oooooh, i get it. And he's a well adjusted functional human being because he saw how his parents and their friends interacted and decided to do the exact opposite in all things.
I hate how much sense this makes
He is pretty much the opposite of both of them
EXCALIBUR!
Bro inherited no personality traits
LOL!!!! He only inherited Aqua's blue hair, vanity and high skill apptitude, and Kazuma's vanity and awesome luck.........man, even though it was their vanity which prevented them to reached their full potential, i mean, when Kazuma throws his vanity away he can be strong, Aqua can be useful........Himmel doesn't suffer from it. Guess those at the orphanage did a good job at raising him.
Holy shit so thats why Himmel is so lucky
Oh no wonder he wants Frieren panties
If anything wouldn't that be a nerf?
This is Kazuma’s son foretold by yunyun that was gonna slay the demon king.
Cursed af
Never cook again.
No thx
Oi! That makes a lot of sense! But when did all the scumbag personality went? He should have quite a high probability to get it considering who his parents are 🤔
She’s a piss head and he’s traumatised by the trans demon general
He beat the demon king with the power of crazy ass bullshit luck
Those crossover are getting out of hand and i like it :D Keep them coming
having aqua blood is not good 💀
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No way is this canon? I always thought Aqua and Kazuma were at eachothers neck! Megumin probably got tired and actually learnt more spells 😂
That can't be right, hes not at least half useless.
có bố mẹ mà chẳng nhu ai
Incredible, he was so lucky to inherit only the good of each one
Who needs to be the Chosen Hero when you have your father's luck coursing through your veins. 😂💯
He got the powers of god and anime in his side.
Correction, they have no blue haired son. Only a blue haired daughter named Mizu. The son they do have is Kazuma Jr and he has brown hair like his father.
Is this supposed to be a reference to something else that I don’t know of?
It is a reference to the manga ending where >!Kazuma ends up with Aqua and the epilogue shows them having a small Aqua with green eyes named Mizu and a small Kazuma son named Kazuma Jr with Aqua's eyes. The confession scene is funni as typical with Konosuba's humor but also sweet.!<
Umm... manga isn't finished yet. You mean the Konosuba WN? No kids were there, actually – she had shown some signs of affection towards Kazuma there in Epilogue, but the WN stopped here (or not, if you will treat the Aqua WN-SS as the continuation; but nothing interesting was there either).
Just no