Instead of a citizen's arrest (which is now questionable in Georgia based on recent legislation), the best solution is for the person to be sprayed in the face with this after he grabs someone:
https://pompepperspray.com/
More than questionable, it's illegal in Georgia as of 2021. [We were the first state to repeal such a law.](https://apnews.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-georgia-arrests-government-and-politics-276c5e51f5363112537ceab4159f9dc5)
I recommend women carry tasers, knives, or guns with them if they can. If criminals are realizing that they can get away with fondeling then they’ll move onto more evil shit until the hammer drops. IIRC, GSU let’s you carry firearms on campus too 🤷🏾♂️ It’s the harsh truth that students don’t wanna admit but if y’all can’t rely on the police or the school then y’all gotta rely on yourselves. If y’all know y’all can’t rely on the school and the police and still don’t wanna defend yourselves then good luck. This is the harsh reality🤷🏾♂️
Edit: knives may be the best route if you’re not willing to read and understand the laws of firearms.
Tasers and knives are horrible self defense tools. Against a bigger assailant they are basically useless. It’s a good way to piss someone off and make them hurt you even more. Get a gun or pepper spray if you want a non lethal option.
When u have adrenaline pumping ur not even gonna feel being stabbed. You can look up videos of dudes being stabbed 10+ times and they walk it off. Most pocket knives are not made for self defense except for the 10 inch ka bars.
One could say the same for a bullet especially if shock kicks in. At the same time get stabbed causes more artery damage compared to some calibers. Also, if you think a 10 inch k bar is all you need to actually stop someone then you should check the market. Even most of the self defense knives recommended by special forces or tactical personnel ain’t close to 10 inches. That’s a whole other debate that you can kick with them tho. Any weapon at the end of the day especially if you’re efficient at using it.
Pocket knives aren’t made for stabbing. Only fixed blades are. But yea you are right a knife is better than nothing. And it’s always better to just run away if you can than escalate the situation.
That’s a good point but this info is moreso aimed at students who hate the police. I’ve talked to students who speak terribly about them but still expect their help.
No doubt but if you(not you specifically) truly believe that they are worthless because their responsibilities are outside of protecting you, then you should start considering how you’d defend yourself if shit hits the fan especially as a women.
I know it sucks but there is nothing we can do. The problem is much larger than students attending GSU temporarily. Even if students organize, raise funds, employ police the issue won’t change. It’s long and systemic, the only thing you can do unfortunately is watch out for your own safety :(
Student patrols equals more useless security. They won’t be trained to handle those incidents all they will do is just radio it up to the police and the cycle continues. If we had more police roving the area it would help a lot more. On the other hand, cop presence has been low with either some of them quitting or moving onto counties outside of Atlanta.
That is *shameful as* *fuck*.
Now since he's tenured, I don't know how easy it would be to have him fired, but this is the kind of thing you do your due diligence on *before* he gets hired. How did the hiring committee let that slide?
Like, it's on the first page of Google results for his name and he's been listed since at least '05, so you *know* this would show up on a criminal background check.
The university responded to this last year. The underlying act occurred decades ago before he pursued academia. A superior court in georgia evaluated his case and deemed him no longer a threat to society and removed him from the registry. I’m not saying it’s great. But I am saying that this is not purely an omission.
He is on the registry in the other state. You have to be removed State by state. So he likely just never went through that process. I don’t have a link it happened when TPUSA pressed GSU about it.
The only reason I’d disagree is I know the professor actually would use his case to tell his students about it. I was in his class and he was really open and admitted he served his time (he never made light of it).
Regardless, I 100 percent think it’s a good thing to question and I appreciate you asking about it.
If you’re 21 no permit needed to conseal carry and you can even conseal carry in class according to state law however Atlanta city law may be a bit different:….
If someone else instigates an attack on you and you believe you are in danger of getting severely hurt or killed that would be self defense, not shooting someone randomly on the street. Even the sight of a firearm would make most criminals eliminate you from the victim selection process or just run away. In this instance of a random dude touching people, you’d probably get charged with homicide unless the dude also had a deadly weapon and pulled it out first. The average person could not handle a firearm without training or might get in a situation where they will be put in custody. There are plenty of incidents around campus and in Atlanta where everyday people would have not lost their life or have been severely injured had they had a firearm to defend themselves. Duty to retreat applies and it’s always best to get away from situations or just not put yourself in a place to get hurt to begin with.
That’s a fun idea to play with but most people don’t want to end the life of another person. It’s easy to say “just carry a gun”. You don’t understand the power of a gun, and ending the life of another person.
A life is not to be played around with and you don’t have the judgement to end it. A weapon is a very serious thing to consider.
- student veteran
I wouldn’t doubt it if a leg shot was more deadly than a chest shot just due to the proximity of the femoral artery to the bone. Moment that bone shatters into the femoral you’re dead within a minute.
When you are firing a weapon (pistol in this case) remember the impact point is about the size of a sharpie (9mm) it is nearly impossible to “aim for the legs” you are moving, they are moving and you are stressed out. A gun is a deadly force tool - not designed to injure or be less than lethal. Of you are aiming for the legs you are simply using the wrong tool. A gun isn’t used to scare people or injure it’s designed to kill them. Using a less than lethal defense in court also doesn’t work incase you are hit with a manslaughter charge btw
When you point a gun at someone, you have to be ready to accept you might take a life. People who don’t wanna kill others doesn’t mean they should just accept being attacked, molested, harassed, etc.
Unfortunately there isn’t any easy one. I covered this is a similar comment.
Summary:
- Guns are illegal in classrooms with minors (dual enrollment students go to GSU)
- self defense classes are expensive and time consuming
- disabled people‘s abilities vary in their ability to defend themselves
- gun classes and buying a gun is expensive, gun maintenance is expensive, learning how to shoot is time consuming and expensive
- we need to remember how minority and disabled groups are treated when it’s assumed they have a weapon (especially Black people)
Many students work full or part time while doing school. It’s a privilege to learn or be able to defend yourself basically (some people lose the right to carry a gun or certain weapons)
I agree but what is the solution then if you can’t rely on police or the school ? I’m all for students defending themselves if they are willing to understand the laws and their weapons(doesn’t even have to be a firearm) but disregarding any form of self defense ontop of disregarding the police and the school is only gonna convince the criminals to keep fucking with you.
Great question, and unfortunately it’s not easy.
And I’m not saying to disregard self defense. It’s just that it’s not simple.
This school is majority minority and a lot of students are disabled. Asking minority or disabled students to carry weapons in a social and political climate where police kill Black people for carrying a phone (or anything really) by mistaking it for a gun, or people signing in ASL cause “gang signs”, shooting mentally ill or neurodivergent students for reacting in an “undesirable” manner, isn’t the best idea.
Additionally, buying guns or any durable weapon is expensive, let alone learning how to properly use one. Most people who carry weapons in self defense end up having their weapon used against them by the criminal. Self defense classes are also expensive and time consuming.
Disabled students abilities vary. Some days I can walk. Other days I can’t and need a wheelchair. While there are wheelchair defense courses, let’s be honest, in a wheelchair, my range of defensive tactics would be limited.
There really is no good answer. If it’s within your budget, a taser and self defense classes or a martial arts can be a good investment.
I truly don’t recommend a gun. I don’t own a gun but I’ve shot a gun multiple times. People need gun classes or some kind of training. Majority of people don’t know about recoil or the strength of the recoil, don’t know how to reload a gun, don’t know how truly loud that shit is, or even about the safety lock, etc.
And again, you risk taking a life. And maybe not even your attacker’s life if you’re a shit shot. You might hit another student. And you can’t get better without going to ranges or areas where you can legally shoot a gun (certain woods for example). Ranges cost money. Finding woods where people aren’t coming through that’s during the legal season is time consuming.
PSA: IF YOU HAVE A MINOR IN YOUR CLASS (<17yrs or younger) YOU CANNOT CARRY IN CLASS. LEAVE THE GUN ELSEWHERE.
The GSU police have really been slacking lately, I recommend to put your safety in your own hands. Either that’s guns, tasers, knifes etc. I personally carry a knife with me when I’m on campus
Instead of a citizen's arrest (which is now questionable in Georgia based on recent legislation), the best solution is for the person to be sprayed in the face with this after he grabs someone: https://pompepperspray.com/
More than questionable, it's illegal in Georgia as of 2021. [We were the first state to repeal such a law.](https://apnews.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-georgia-arrests-government-and-politics-276c5e51f5363112537ceab4159f9dc5)
so this means i can’t tase either, huh?
I recommend women carry tasers, knives, or guns with them if they can. If criminals are realizing that they can get away with fondeling then they’ll move onto more evil shit until the hammer drops. IIRC, GSU let’s you carry firearms on campus too 🤷🏾♂️ It’s the harsh truth that students don’t wanna admit but if y’all can’t rely on the police or the school then y’all gotta rely on yourselves. If y’all know y’all can’t rely on the school and the police and still don’t wanna defend yourselves then good luck. This is the harsh reality🤷🏾♂️ Edit: knives may be the best route if you’re not willing to read and understand the laws of firearms.
Tasers and knives are horrible self defense tools. Against a bigger assailant they are basically useless. It’s a good way to piss someone off and make them hurt you even more. Get a gun or pepper spray if you want a non lethal option.
No one wants to be stabbed and they are more accessible to reach in close quarters compared to a gun but we can agree to disagree
When u have adrenaline pumping ur not even gonna feel being stabbed. You can look up videos of dudes being stabbed 10+ times and they walk it off. Most pocket knives are not made for self defense except for the 10 inch ka bars.
One could say the same for a bullet especially if shock kicks in. At the same time get stabbed causes more artery damage compared to some calibers. Also, if you think a 10 inch k bar is all you need to actually stop someone then you should check the market. Even most of the self defense knives recommended by special forces or tactical personnel ain’t close to 10 inches. That’s a whole other debate that you can kick with them tho. Any weapon at the end of the day especially if you’re efficient at using it.
You can go through multiple scenarios but the gun will typically be the better alternative especially if they get the proper training
Pocket knives aren’t made for stabbing. Only fixed blades are. But yea you are right a knife is better than nothing. And it’s always better to just run away if you can than escalate the situation.
Easier to rely on authorities than put any effort into protecting yourself. However, I do feel for the female students. GSU will never care.
That’s a good point but this info is moreso aimed at students who hate the police. I’ve talked to students who speak terribly about them but still expect their help.
You should be able to speak terribly about the police and still expect their help.
No doubt but if you(not you specifically) truly believe that they are worthless because their responsibilities are outside of protecting you, then you should start considering how you’d defend yourself if shit hits the fan especially as a women.
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Knives are more intimidating than a gun or pepper spray too
I know it sucks but there is nothing we can do. The problem is much larger than students attending GSU temporarily. Even if students organize, raise funds, employ police the issue won’t change. It’s long and systemic, the only thing you can do unfortunately is watch out for your own safety :(
There is something people can do. People just dont want to. Organizing student patrols for one.
Having Sara , the arts major, rove around the school with no proper training will only open the gate to more bullshit
Student patrols equals more useless security. They won’t be trained to handle those incidents all they will do is just radio it up to the police and the cycle continues. If we had more police roving the area it would help a lot more. On the other hand, cop presence has been low with either some of them quitting or moving onto counties outside of Atlanta.
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I’m curious who ?
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That is *shameful as* *fuck*. Now since he's tenured, I don't know how easy it would be to have him fired, but this is the kind of thing you do your due diligence on *before* he gets hired. How did the hiring committee let that slide? Like, it's on the first page of Google results for his name and he's been listed since at least '05, so you *know* this would show up on a criminal background check.
The university responded to this last year. The underlying act occurred decades ago before he pursued academia. A superior court in georgia evaluated his case and deemed him no longer a threat to society and removed him from the registry. I’m not saying it’s great. But I am saying that this is not purely an omission.
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He is on the registry in the other state. You have to be removed State by state. So he likely just never went through that process. I don’t have a link it happened when TPUSA pressed GSU about it.
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The only reason I’d disagree is I know the professor actually would use his case to tell his students about it. I was in his class and he was really open and admitted he served his time (he never made light of it). Regardless, I 100 percent think it’s a good thing to question and I appreciate you asking about it.
Pepper spray?
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Single most excruciating pain I’ve ever felt was getting OC sprayed in corrections training. It does what it’s supposed to do.
Is their a specific brand you can point out so people don’t stick to the usual cheap low quality pepper spray ?
Sabre and Defense Technology. I’ve used both in actual less-lethal use-of-force scenarios and have been satisfied with the results.
POM. It's a very effective formulation, but also in a great form factor that's easy to carry and use.
If it’s happening on campus (actual campus) the victims should file or at least threaten lawsuit
against who, the cops?
The school.
At least it's not like last year, when the pervert was GSUPD
Wait what??
Last year, a GSUPD officer kidnapped somebody, had her tied up in his car, I believe
this is absolutely insane. was there any news coverage?!
Not that I recall, but the school sent out an email
The campus police need to be way more present on campus, this is just unacceptable that this KEEPS happening.
If you’re 21 no permit needed to conseal carry and you can even conseal carry in class according to state law however Atlanta city law may be a bit different:….
Given the campus’s lack of control on gun violence, I’d probably advise against shooting mfers on the street
If someone else instigates an attack on you and you believe you are in danger of getting severely hurt or killed that would be self defense, not shooting someone randomly on the street. Even the sight of a firearm would make most criminals eliminate you from the victim selection process or just run away. In this instance of a random dude touching people, you’d probably get charged with homicide unless the dude also had a deadly weapon and pulled it out first. The average person could not handle a firearm without training or might get in a situation where they will be put in custody. There are plenty of incidents around campus and in Atlanta where everyday people would have not lost their life or have been severely injured had they had a firearm to defend themselves. Duty to retreat applies and it’s always best to get away from situations or just not put yourself in a place to get hurt to begin with.
That’s a fun idea to play with but most people don’t want to end the life of another person. It’s easy to say “just carry a gun”. You don’t understand the power of a gun, and ending the life of another person. A life is not to be played around with and you don’t have the judgement to end it. A weapon is a very serious thing to consider. - student veteran
Only if everyone could aim for below the waist ☹️
Plenty of major arteries below the waist too. Someone could in fact die on the spot still.
I wouldn’t doubt it if a leg shot was more deadly than a chest shot just due to the proximity of the femoral artery to the bone. Moment that bone shatters into the femoral you’re dead within a minute.
Unfortunately
When you are firing a weapon (pistol in this case) remember the impact point is about the size of a sharpie (9mm) it is nearly impossible to “aim for the legs” you are moving, they are moving and you are stressed out. A gun is a deadly force tool - not designed to injure or be less than lethal. Of you are aiming for the legs you are simply using the wrong tool. A gun isn’t used to scare people or injure it’s designed to kill them. Using a less than lethal defense in court also doesn’t work incase you are hit with a manslaughter charge btw
Then enjoy being molested then
When you point a gun at someone, you have to be ready to accept you might take a life. People who don’t wanna kill others doesn’t mean they should just accept being attacked, molested, harassed, etc.
Ok? So what’s the solution then?
Unfortunately there isn’t any easy one. I covered this is a similar comment. Summary: - Guns are illegal in classrooms with minors (dual enrollment students go to GSU) - self defense classes are expensive and time consuming - disabled people‘s abilities vary in their ability to defend themselves - gun classes and buying a gun is expensive, gun maintenance is expensive, learning how to shoot is time consuming and expensive - we need to remember how minority and disabled groups are treated when it’s assumed they have a weapon (especially Black people) Many students work full or part time while doing school. It’s a privilege to learn or be able to defend yourself basically (some people lose the right to carry a gun or certain weapons)
I agree but what is the solution then if you can’t rely on police or the school ? I’m all for students defending themselves if they are willing to understand the laws and their weapons(doesn’t even have to be a firearm) but disregarding any form of self defense ontop of disregarding the police and the school is only gonna convince the criminals to keep fucking with you.
Great question, and unfortunately it’s not easy. And I’m not saying to disregard self defense. It’s just that it’s not simple. This school is majority minority and a lot of students are disabled. Asking minority or disabled students to carry weapons in a social and political climate where police kill Black people for carrying a phone (or anything really) by mistaking it for a gun, or people signing in ASL cause “gang signs”, shooting mentally ill or neurodivergent students for reacting in an “undesirable” manner, isn’t the best idea. Additionally, buying guns or any durable weapon is expensive, let alone learning how to properly use one. Most people who carry weapons in self defense end up having their weapon used against them by the criminal. Self defense classes are also expensive and time consuming. Disabled students abilities vary. Some days I can walk. Other days I can’t and need a wheelchair. While there are wheelchair defense courses, let’s be honest, in a wheelchair, my range of defensive tactics would be limited. There really is no good answer. If it’s within your budget, a taser and self defense classes or a martial arts can be a good investment. I truly don’t recommend a gun. I don’t own a gun but I’ve shot a gun multiple times. People need gun classes or some kind of training. Majority of people don’t know about recoil or the strength of the recoil, don’t know how to reload a gun, don’t know how truly loud that shit is, or even about the safety lock, etc. And again, you risk taking a life. And maybe not even your attacker’s life if you’re a shit shot. You might hit another student. And you can’t get better without going to ranges or areas where you can legally shoot a gun (certain woods for example). Ranges cost money. Finding woods where people aren’t coming through that’s during the legal season is time consuming. PSA: IF YOU HAVE A MINOR IN YOUR CLASS (<17yrs or younger) YOU CANNOT CARRY IN CLASS. LEAVE THE GUN ELSEWHERE.
beyond fucked up mindset
You have to be realistic. You can’t change people from doing bad stuff, you can only prevent it.
Reread what you said in the comment I replied to. Then go have a word with yourself. I’m not interested.
You’re not saying a thing, that’s the problem.
I mean if serious profiling is what it takes i say knock yourself out.
More cops sounds good now doesn’t it?
We already have the most cops. Cops don't do their job
the cops will literally stand by and watch the offense happen and not intervene at all, they’re useless as fuck
The GSU police have really been slacking lately, I recommend to put your safety in your own hands. Either that’s guns, tasers, knifes etc. I personally carry a knife with me when I’m on campus
When we get more police over here.