Going from an Elantra to a 3.3T G70 is a huge leap, you'll be amazed at the overall G70 performance jump. If you go w/ the 2.0 it won't be a large difference in performance vs. the Elantra but the overall drive and upgrade to the interior is still pretty considerable (I assume since you're cross shopping the M340 that the 3.3T is the G70 you're wanting though). M340 won't disappoint if you can afford the price difference and overall maintenance costs after the warranty period.
I'd say drive them both and see how they stack up for what you're wanting, and if you have a stand alone Genesis dealer nearby that's a big plus. My nearest Genesis dealer is over 200 miles away but the G70 was still an easy decision. Be sure to opt for the Sport Prestige pkg, it's got all the good stuff! And lots complain about mpg, but we have no problem getting 30mpg on the hwy (on several 1600+ mile road trips) in ECO mode running 75-80mph, 91 octane fuel, and Continental DWS06+ tires at 35 psi.
An Elantra to G70 2.0T is a huge jump too. I have a feeling many people on this sub have never owned both an eco car like Elantra or Sonata and a 2.0T at the same time. Getting out of my 2.4 Optima and into the G70 is such a big difference. I also have a Tesla Model S which is the quickest of them all and I would say the G70 feels closer to the Model S than the Optima does to the G70.
Actually I've owned both the 2.0 (a 23 AWD 2.0 SP) and our current 3.3T, our 2.0 was totaled :(
Nothing wrong w/ the 2.0, lots of features and a solid ride w/ good overall quality.
Agreed. When I come out of a 3.3TT loaner to my 2.0T I feel like it's not longer crazy fast but still fun but when I go from a 2.0T to an economy car like the 1.5 Accord or the 2.4 Optima I literally want to get out as soon as possible lol
Having had both, I'd say the performance gap is quite a bit (2.0 vs. 3.3), but the overall gap between a compact economy car and the luxury, refined drive of a 2.0 G70 is a large gap as well. But OP said he was shopping a M340, and there's no way a 2.0 G70 would be in the ballpark there.
The other thing people don't understand is nobody bought the 2.0 looking for raw speed. That isn't the point. Especially if you got the rear wheel drive manual, you wanted an intersection between luxurious and lightweight, rear wheel drive with a manual, under 50k. That is actually a shockingly narrow list in the US market. I own the 2.0 RWD 6MT, and I've spent a lot of time with the 2.0 AWD and 3.3 twin turbo AWD. They just feel heavy - even while being faster. I think it's something about the way the AWD system moves the power around. I haven't driven the 3.3 RWD yet though, I'm sure that's a blast
Big difference between a 2.0t and a twin turbo 3.3t. I have owned several turbo cars. I have had a stage 2+ Audi. My 3.3t G80 vs my G80 3.8 is a big difference. The torque is the difference so you will always notice a difference at the low end. HP equates once up to speed.
The AWD makes a difference vs RWD for handling and rough roads. The AWD tracks better on rough roads. Weight balance is another key factor hence why supercars are mid engine it affects handling.
It is definitely not slow. I’ve owned both engines and I can attest to the fact that the 2.0 is more than enough fast for town and just fast enough for backroads. Some of the roads around me are so twisty that anything more than 300hp is essentially useless for legal activities.
That being said the 3.3 is by far the better engine choice. It’s more efficient than my 2.0, sounds a whole lot better, is so much smoother, and has enough low end torque that the transmission rarely needs to kick down a gear.
Nonsense opinion about horsepower. I had 485hp in my Scat Packs. Heavier cars need more power and I have yet to be pulled over for accelerating to the speed limit quickly (knocks on wood).
More power also makes passing and merging on the highway easier and safer
There's a reason Genesis dropped the 2.5 into the g70 when supposedly they're canceling the model (I don't believe it), it's because they knew they needed to give the base model more oompf to be competitive in the segment. I haven't driven the 2.5t but I'd imagine it's a decently enjoyable middle ground.
Don't waste your breath with the no-second9337 guy. He's obsessed with giant dildos first of all, his post history is wild. Second, he always makes the claim that in the rear wheel drive manual G70 it was impossible for him to break traction at the rear end. If you're such a wildly inept driver that you can't get the rear end of a rear wheel drive car to step out, you really shouldn't be on here giving people car advice
Edit :: my bad, didn't realize you were replying to someone else
I drive it every day and have never felt it is “slow”. Sure it isn’t as fast as the 3.3L but for basic city driving around town and getting in/out of traffic it’s more than adequate
Yea it is adequate but compared to the 3.3 it is slow. Very slow. The jump from the 2.0t to the 3.3.t is way bigger than the 2.0 to most average cars...
When people say the 2.0 is slow they're talking contextually between it and the 3.3
I test drove the 3.3 and it’s definitely a little rocket ship, but I’ve also driven plenty of economy cars like the Elantra (non N-line) and the 2.0 definitely felt closer to the 3.3 in my experience. Once again I’m not denying that the 3.3L is considerably faster, it definitely is.
Even online:
3.3L 0 to 60 is
2.0L is 6.2 seconds
3.3L is 4.5 seconds
Elantra is 8.4 seconds
https://www.allenturnergenesis.com/2020-genesis-g70-0-60-times/#:~:text=This%20powertrain%20boasts%20some%20significant,Horsepower%3A%20365%20hp
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2019-genesis-g70-20t-first-test-review/
https://www.clementhyundai.com/hyundai-elantra-0-60-horsepower-specs.htm#:~:text=Hyundai%20Elantra%200%20to%2060%20Times&text=Although%20the%20official%20acceleration%20metrics,the%20cut%20in%208.4%20seconds.&text=Meanwhile%2C%20the%20Hyundai%20Elantra%20N,same%20leap%20in%204.8%20seconds.
That’s cute but the Elantra N line and the Ki Forte GT are just as fast with the same features and $10,000 cheaper. The 2.slow is a terrible value- probably why Genesis axed it for the 2.5.
The Elanta N doesn’t have the same features as the 2.0 lol. The materials, tech, ride quality, etc, are all far superior in the Genesis.
The 2.0 is a great value for most average drivers who don’t care about needing crazy performance lol.
That's cool. I don't care what the quoted times are. I tested the 2023 2.0L and it was 7-8 seconds to 60 flat out.
I've done 4.6 seconds in my 3.3T
None of my tests use the phoney exclusion of a 1 foot rollout.
Not saying the elantra is fast. It's not. But neither is the 2.0 lol
It's not supposed to be fast though, it's supposed to be stylish, good handling and luxurious for people who don't care about speed...
The one I tested was a fully loaded 2.0 with the same tires as my 3.3t so it's possible that all the add ons made it slower but... multiple attempts. Never any faster than 7.8s the 2.0 could not break the summer tires loose either
That's what a normal car is though. The Integra is like 7.5 seconds which is 1 second slower than the ilx it replaced lol.
I did my tests when it was in the high 80s (but so were the tests on my 3.3) at sea level. I used premium gas and did a small amount of boost building. I know some people want to hold it at 3000 rpms for 5 seconds before launching and maybe that is the key but as far as I'm concerned that's not a realistic measure of 0-60 time. I also did no boost building at all when I tested my 3.3 and achieved 4.6-4.8 seconds from a dig.
Again though, the 2.0 isn't a slow car, it's just slow by comparison to the 3.3/other performance sedans.
That's entirely false. I have a 2020 2.0T AWD and have times it with a vbox it does 0-60 in 5.9s. The only thing of note is the engine is broken in (now at 44k) and I have only ever run super premium in it from new. If you put regular in it there is a noticeable performance hit, and Car and Driver noticed on their own 2.0T long term tester than the 0-60 tomes (which started at 6.2s) fell repeated over the 40k term they had the car, so I think brand new the ECU might be programmed to restrict power during break in, like many performance cars
I don’t understand why the 2.0 even exists. Had one as a loaner when my 3.3T was in the shop before it was bought back through the lemon law. I hated every second of it. It’s like turd in a tuxedo, felt like a Lexus. Buying an M340i now. Insurance on an M340i is absolutely insane, at least it gets better gas mileage than the 3.3/2.0.
It's meant for people who don't care about speed. Like the 4 cylinder bmws and Mercedes. What confuses me is why people keep trying to say it's not slow. Just own it lol
Like my buddy with jeep grand Cherokee 3.6l kept sending me acceleration videos when i had my scat pack
I'm like... why? You bought. 4wd suv, it's not meant to be fast it's meant to be able to drive in the snow and dirt lol. Weirdest thing.
I also had the 2.0 for a month right after I bought my 3.3 while the dealer was not fixing (making worse actually) some minor things they said they would fix.
Dont waste your time, the only people replying are owners of the 2.0 trying to cope that there vehicle is fast. The 2.0 is slow, if it feels fast to anyone I wish I were you, but most people don’t buy it for speed so I get that ofc.
Lol I get it, but at the same time I don’t. Reminds me of high school where people would buy from Ross or something to make it look like they had money. Not fooling anyone. My main issue with it is that obviously it’s slow. If you’re buying it for the “luxury” aspect, the G70 is not very luxurious in my opinion. I’d rather save 10k and get a limited trim Hyundai anything. My Volvo I have right now is the most comfortable car I’ve ever sat in with the best sound system I’ve ever heard in any car, ever. Even the Diamond Bowers and Wilkins in the high end BMWs can’t hold a candle to it. Drives like a boat tho. If I’m going for slow and luxurious there’s way better options.
Edit: just to clarify, ONLY referring to the concept of purchasing a 2.0. Still love the looks of Genesis in general and would have rather my 3.3T been fixed, not bought back. Genesis did what was right by me with little push back once I initiated the process and didn’t even have to threaten litigation.
No that's just blatantly false. 2.0T AWD is 6.0 seconds to 60, and mine has actually done it multiple times at 5.7s. 3.3TT AWD is 4.5-4.6s to 60. Not even 2 seconds difference on a bad day, and really only a hair over 1s under normal conditions.
The difference is the passing power, that's where the 3.3TT is a rocketship. But off the line, the notable weight difference actually makes the 3.3TT less fast than you'd think.
Great answer for him. I'd add too that BMW's are a dime a dozen. It's nice to have a car with all the bells and whistles and performance that's not as common on the road. It also looks cool with the Sport Prestige package.
Yeah I noticed that, on like country roads and state routes drive mode makes a difference, and at interstate speeds I see into the 30s in Eco and really high 20s in Comfort (my car is AWD and these modes do change the engagement of the AWD system), but around town it's THIRSTY
Have a 2022 M240i and a 2019 G70, I slightly prefer the G70, it's not quite as fast, but it's just as fun, I greatly prefer the steering wheel, and pedal feel of the G70, the analog gauges, and overall interior of the G70 are superior in my opinion, however the M240i is faster, feels a bit sportier with the exhaust and stiffer suspension but isn't quite as comfortable as a daily driver due to those things, it is really up to your preference, also the B58 is better on gas
The M340i is undoubtedly although barely better in most ways and worse in only a handful of areas by the tiniest of margins. The G70 similarly is worse by only the tiniest of margins in many ways (power train, suspension setup) and where it excels (interior tech, steering [dont like the variable racks in the BMWs]comfort, standard features) it beats the M340i by just a bit.
But it's a $10k delta between the cars, new and used its about the same delta, and the G70 is not 25% worse.
The G70 is the last of its kind, and the best drivers car Hyundai/Genesis will likely ever make. In its SP trim it's also the top dog of the sedan line up. The M340i is always going to be the middle man, the almost M car. The G70 is special, you don't see them all that often and it is the contrarians sorta sporty sedan choice.
I test drove them all (c43, M240i/m340i, TTS, v8 RS5, IS, Stinger) and the BMWs very closely followed by the G70 were well clear of the rest. I think the BMWs were clinically proficient and very quick, but the G70 was nearly as good with a whole lot more character. The B58 and ZF are amazing and best in class, and while the Lambda and in-house 8speed are a bit worse their flaws add character and add to the driving experience. The B58 feels almost NA and very linear in its power delivery, the Lambda def feels old school turbo charged, gutless until 3k rpm and then a wall of torque kicks ya back. Similar story with the transmissions and suspension, the G70 while less competent feels fun and whimsical to toss into a corner way too fast and let the tail flop out and the awd suck eveything back into line. The BMW just gets it done faster with less drama and less driver engagement.
Tldr
The G70 is the worse car, but only by a little and it's flaws actually add to the driving experience of the car instead of detracting from it. The BMW while better is boring, they are everywhere, and it always the forgotten mild child of the 3 series lineup. The G70 is comparatively rare, doesn't take itself too seriously while being very fast and better self driving tech, and as it's being discontinued is always going to be best sports sedan to come out of Korea.
This is the answer. If both cars were the same price the m340i is the obvious choice for someone who wants the better performing car. But they aren't. Not even close. The m340is were 63+k when I got my fully loaded SP for 52.5
Now the sticker on my g70 is now like 57k in 2024 so if Genesis keeps increasing the price it may be a different story but when I bought my g70 i wasn't (still not) willing to pay an extra 10k over what I paid. I didn't even want to pay that but when I looked at how expensive the 2023 edge st was (57k), how expensive a new Charger scat pack was (60k), how exoensive a Golf R was (52k) and how expensive the elantra N was by me (45k) after nonsense dealer upcharges the g70 became the obvious choice. The Stinger would have also been a contender but again. It was the same price as my g70 and I'd rather my car say Genesis than Kia
So the M340i is going to give you much more of a sports car experience. Awesome sounding exhaust note, awesome engine and engine note, not to mention the gas mileage, 35mpg on highway and some people have reported even 40mpg on highway. That B58 is a really impressive engine and extremely reliable at that too.
My biggest regret buying the G70 is lack of sportyness. I previously had an M235i with a dinan exhaust on it and that car sounded like literal heaven with that inline 6, its one of the best sounding engines. This G70 is very lackluster when it comes to the exhaust note, and even with Aftermarket exhaust mods still doesn't sound good. The G70 is more along the lines of a smooth refined Mercedes than a sports car that is gonna give you that visceral experience. Aftermarket support for this car also sucks beyond JB4 and the crummy sounding over priced ARK exhaust (sorry to offend anyone out there, but this guy wants an honest opinion so this is mine).
If I could do it over again, I think I would have picked the M340i or M240i. While the G70 - has impressive performance, handling, crazy comfortable ride, all the tech and gadgets at a significantly cheaper price, oh and not to mention looks 10x better and is way more unique and eye catching... What it doesnt have or give the driver is that true sports car experience that something like a BMW will. That's my two cents on the matter. I decided to go with looks and value for money over driver experience, which I kinda regret now. It's still a great car and actually handles better than the M340i and provides a much smoother ride, but I really miss that B58 engine.
If I could take the B58 engine from the M340I and stick it in the G70 I would.
Also one more thing to consider, don’t just think of the initial price difference, think of the price difference once warranty ends on any service work. While the b58 engine is very reliable there’s still a shit ton of electrical stuff that can go bad, and “consumables” that would need replacing after certain mileages.
While this applies to both cars, working on a bmw is usually both a nightmare and has more expensive products even for something as simple as a battery. This leads to it costing more for even basic maintenance. I’m not 100% sure on how much the g70 maintenance costs since I haven’t owned it out of warranty, but considering it shares most of its parts with hyundai/kia I doubt it’d be that expensive.
This is speaking from experience as I drove a 2016 BMW x5 before getting my 2022 G70, and that bmw became too annoying to drive after the warranty ended with the constant little repairs costing a shit ton.
I still remember the moment I thought yeah fuck bmw, I had a bad valvetronic (bmw used this instead of a throttle body), which also lead to my battery dying. Car stopped working, so I had to get a guy to tow the car. He comes and we realize we can’t get the car on neutral without a battery. I googled it, turns out you have to jack the car up and put it on neutral from a switch underneath the car…
I don't agree, and let me explain why. The whole issue with the luxury, compat/entry, sports car segment is that you simultaneously want noise isolation in the interior but a sporty sound and feel. We are in an era of cars where manufacturers have increased noise isolation because people want that - I know I do after having lived with a poorly isolated car that had a roof basket which only made NVH worse. There are videos on youtube of no resonator no muffler G70s and they actually sound great, but I also don't want my car to be that loud which is why I'm excited for the Borla working with the valved system.
Also for tuning there's lap3 which seems like the best option for this car. However, I plan to keep this car stock minus the exhaust and just enjoy the warranty.
If you want a REAL sports car, why even get either versus something more dedicated? I doubt many people track the m340i or the G70 since both are really heavy and not set up for that suspension wise.
I have to think that's because you have an awd.
The g70 is an insanely sporty car. The m340 is much quicker 0-60 but that's about it... the engine on the g70 sounds amazing too. Yes, the exhaust is subdued but...
2.0 vs 3.3 vs every other car mentioned here. I’m now the very happy owner of the ‘24 G70 2.5 loaded. It’s a great little mill producing 300 HP and playing with the different driving modes and paddles is now great driving for me. Peace.
That's the engine the base g70 should have had since the remodel. Definitely needed 300hp to compete with other cars when even the q50/g37 has had 300hp for the last what seems like 50 years lol.
I was in the same exact boat and went G70 for exactly your interest- price. I also looked at the Audi S4/S5, Acura TLX type S, Merc AMG c43, and the Lexus IS500F, in addition of a bunch of stuff not really in the segment like the Porsche Macan and VW Golf R. Ultimately, I wanted reliable (not Merc or Audi), AWD (not Lexus IS), and to not pay markup lest I take a huge loss if something happens to the car (not Golf R).
The price for a new m340i was about 63k pre-tax at best, which was around 7-8% off when I was looking. That discount seems to be the best you can commonly get based on my research, and only one dealer would do that. Mind that 63k was a discounted price for like a middle tier option package, aka vinyl interior, no ztk performance package (which isn't really ordered by dealers), no pro driving assist, and rarely the parking assist package. The G70 awd 3.3t sport prestige I purchased new was about 50k pre-tax and is very heavy in terms of tech features. There is nothing I am left wanting for in terms of luxury/tech aside from maybe a bigger car.
The m340i will likely be marginally faster when stock. As is, the G70 is so easy to accidentally speed with. I'm sure some might say the m340i handles better but this is subjective as both have electronic power steering and are heavy cars though the G70 is slightly smaller and I do notice that when driving. Neither is a true track car out of the box regardless... Both have tuning potential in aftermarket but the BMW has more options. These are luxury freeway passers that are nearly 4k lbs. They are both sporty and the BMW sounds better but the G70 definitely doesn't sound bad, and sounds quite good straight piped. I am personally considering an axle back exhaust if the Borla one coming up is not too expensive.
Do I regret not having gotten an m340i? Zero percent. This car does everything I would have wanted an m340i to do minus slightly more space, slightly better sound, and branding.
What don't I like about my G70? The gas mileage is absolutely fucking terrible in stop and go city driving- highway is acceptable. M340i definitely has better MPG but I also saved ~$15k after tax so spending the extra gas money isn't an issue.
What would I have considered in retrospect? Maybe a Macan S or GTS but it would still be a lot more money even CPO for a much heavier yet not very spacious vehicle. An M3 comp xdrive would also have been interesting but above how much I wanted to spend on a daily, and I keep seeing parts thefts on BMWs, especially G80 M3s, like mirrors, wheels, etc. I'm planning to just get a track car to further scratch the more sporty itch, while I don't jeopardize the thing that brings me to and from work.
The m340i is quicker but the g70 is plenty fast. It's a real fun car to drive.
Negatives:
Exhaust sound
1 USB port (data)
Interior space
Half digital dash
Potential dealership hassle (ymmv)
Tons of pros tho
Acceleration
Handling
Styling
Features (so many features on the 3.3t sp)
Price
Warranty
Engine sound, the g70 has a great sounding engine, yea the exhaust is quieter than most would like but the engine sounds great
One slight thing to add on here.
When I was looking between these two I feel as there is 100000 bmws 3 series on the road and I barely see any g70s where I live and I think it’s quite cool to have a less driven car.
Disagree hard on interior. The G70 interior looks great and you have heated + ventilated seats with leather compared to big upcharges to get that kind of stuff from bmw.
I actually opted for a 23 over 24 because I like the buttons, and a lot of people preferred idrive 7 to 8 for the same reasons. I felt pretty neutral on 7 vs 8 so it didn't matter to me. I'm not trying to watch netflix in my car so I don't care about having a massive screen like idrive 8 gives.
You might be the first person I've heard of that thinks the m340i HK audio is better than the Lexicon but people have different preferences. This is another one where it didn't make or break it for me either way but I, and seems most others, think the G70's is better.
Bigger space is no contest a victory for the 3 series.
I’ll agree with that, same with the G70 HVAC buttons. Older one is better and easier to use. I was referencing the 23 tho. As an audiophile Lexicon is a bit of a let down. Really like the bmw infotainment dial. And ofc it drives better.
I think end of the day, both are great cars and it definitely feels like they rule the segment if you want AWD. If the price difference was only $5k I'd probably have gotten the BMW, but the price difference was 3x that. Neither are "real" track cars so I figured I'd take the cheaper one and get a dedicated.
Good discussions in this thread. Like I said earlier, really need to test both and see if you think the cost premium for the BMW is worth it. Having owned a BMW (2002 740iL) after warranty was up I'd say a hard NO, just too expensive and things seem to start really going south after the warranty expires.
G70s haven't been around long enough to really see what may pop up after the 5/60 warranty is up but the Genesis cars have been doing pretty well w/ the Gen coupe on up.
Only real thing I wish Genesis would have done w/ the G70 is retained more of the sporty edge in the 19-21 model and carried more of that into the 22+ models. I know they are trying to keep the overall Genesis line cohesive so I get the rounded modern update, but much prefer the pre22 overall design. Both are home runs however IMO (except for the oval exhaust rings, just give us quads like the G80 and Stinger!)
Go G70 3.3t, I have the G80 sport 3.3t and both are fun amazing cars. BMW makes great cars but for the premium cost and if you plan to own it long term the maintenance gets expensive. I was an Audi guy A5 stage 2+, A6, and A4 and would never go back. Genesis makes amazing cars from a price to value performance standpoint. Plus the 3.3T motor is a proven motor.
I have a ‘21 Genesis G70 3.3T SP RWD and it’s tuned to ~500whp. You can get great power pretty quickly on this platform, and there are a lot of different paths you can go with tuning and mods.
That being said, it doesn’t have the aftermarket support of a B58, and it isn’t as quick as an M340i stock. That being said, the G70 is much cheaper and quite a few people have gotten into the 10’s without upgrading their turbos, which is really quick. Both the M340i and G70 3.3T powertrains are equally reliable, so that’s not an issue.
It really just depends on what you’re looking for, and if you’re going to want to go past 500whp (w/o turbos) or ~800whp (upgraded head studs/gaskets, etc. + upgraded turbos). If you feel like you might, the M340i might be the better choice.
Some other options to look into that would be great for tuning would be the RS3/TT RS, CLA 45 S, AMG C 43 (V6), or a Nissan Z. Or if you’re okay with something older that’s quick stock and has a shit ton of room to tune… maybe even a 997 Turbo. I had to say it 😂
If you get a chance look up Lucid. All electric and has unbelievable smooth ride. Had my own charger installed in my garage. It gets 450 range and charges fast
Going from an Elantra to a 3.3T G70 is a huge leap, you'll be amazed at the overall G70 performance jump. If you go w/ the 2.0 it won't be a large difference in performance vs. the Elantra but the overall drive and upgrade to the interior is still pretty considerable (I assume since you're cross shopping the M340 that the 3.3T is the G70 you're wanting though). M340 won't disappoint if you can afford the price difference and overall maintenance costs after the warranty period. I'd say drive them both and see how they stack up for what you're wanting, and if you have a stand alone Genesis dealer nearby that's a big plus. My nearest Genesis dealer is over 200 miles away but the G70 was still an easy decision. Be sure to opt for the Sport Prestige pkg, it's got all the good stuff! And lots complain about mpg, but we have no problem getting 30mpg on the hwy (on several 1600+ mile road trips) in ECO mode running 75-80mph, 91 octane fuel, and Continental DWS06+ tires at 35 psi.
An Elantra to G70 2.0T is a huge jump too. I have a feeling many people on this sub have never owned both an eco car like Elantra or Sonata and a 2.0T at the same time. Getting out of my 2.4 Optima and into the G70 is such a big difference. I also have a Tesla Model S which is the quickest of them all and I would say the G70 feels closer to the Model S than the Optima does to the G70.
Actually I've owned both the 2.0 (a 23 AWD 2.0 SP) and our current 3.3T, our 2.0 was totaled :( Nothing wrong w/ the 2.0, lots of features and a solid ride w/ good overall quality.
Forsure lol so much 2.0 hate on this sub. The gap between the 2.0 and 3.3 is smaller than the gap between a 2.0 and a compact economy car.
Agreed. When I come out of a 3.3TT loaner to my 2.0T I feel like it's not longer crazy fast but still fun but when I go from a 2.0T to an economy car like the 1.5 Accord or the 2.4 Optima I literally want to get out as soon as possible lol
Having had both, I'd say the performance gap is quite a bit (2.0 vs. 3.3), but the overall gap between a compact economy car and the luxury, refined drive of a 2.0 G70 is a large gap as well. But OP said he was shopping a M340, and there's no way a 2.0 G70 would be in the ballpark there.
Yeah I knew we just got off topic
The other thing people don't understand is nobody bought the 2.0 looking for raw speed. That isn't the point. Especially if you got the rear wheel drive manual, you wanted an intersection between luxurious and lightweight, rear wheel drive with a manual, under 50k. That is actually a shockingly narrow list in the US market. I own the 2.0 RWD 6MT, and I've spent a lot of time with the 2.0 AWD and 3.3 twin turbo AWD. They just feel heavy - even while being faster. I think it's something about the way the AWD system moves the power around. I haven't driven the 3.3 RWD yet though, I'm sure that's a blast
I feel like you’re not slamming it like you should in 2nd or 3rd i love the pick up I get and I’ve kept up with bigger engines.
It's no slouch but it's never gonna beat the 3.3, but like I said, I'm fine with that.
Oh I have the 2.0 6MT as well, it is def not a slouch at all, and if you wanna mod it out, you can mod the hell out it.
Big difference between a 2.0t and a twin turbo 3.3t. I have owned several turbo cars. I have had a stage 2+ Audi. My 3.3t G80 vs my G80 3.8 is a big difference. The torque is the difference so you will always notice a difference at the low end. HP equates once up to speed. The AWD makes a difference vs RWD for handling and rough roads. The AWD tracks better on rough roads. Weight balance is another key factor hence why supercars are mid engine it affects handling.
No its not. The 2.0 is slow. Sorry but it's true. In my testing the 2.0 is THREE seconds slower 0-60 than the 3.3T
It is definitely not slow. I’ve owned both engines and I can attest to the fact that the 2.0 is more than enough fast for town and just fast enough for backroads. Some of the roads around me are so twisty that anything more than 300hp is essentially useless for legal activities. That being said the 3.3 is by far the better engine choice. It’s more efficient than my 2.0, sounds a whole lot better, is so much smoother, and has enough low end torque that the transmission rarely needs to kick down a gear.
Nonsense opinion about horsepower. I had 485hp in my Scat Packs. Heavier cars need more power and I have yet to be pulled over for accelerating to the speed limit quickly (knocks on wood). More power also makes passing and merging on the highway easier and safer There's a reason Genesis dropped the 2.5 into the g70 when supposedly they're canceling the model (I don't believe it), it's because they knew they needed to give the base model more oompf to be competitive in the segment. I haven't driven the 2.5t but I'd imagine it's a decently enjoyable middle ground.
This is actually because they discontinued the 2.0T across all Hyundai and Kia.
Don't waste your breath with the no-second9337 guy. He's obsessed with giant dildos first of all, his post history is wild. Second, he always makes the claim that in the rear wheel drive manual G70 it was impossible for him to break traction at the rear end. If you're such a wildly inept driver that you can't get the rear end of a rear wheel drive car to step out, you really shouldn't be on here giving people car advice Edit :: my bad, didn't realize you were replying to someone else
Yeah, those extra 3 seconds weren't worth the 10k to 11k extra cost for the 3.3t. I bought a 2023 2.0t Sport Prestige and paid cash for it. I'm happy.
That's good. You are the target market of the 2.0 and you're happy with it.
I drive it every day and have never felt it is “slow”. Sure it isn’t as fast as the 3.3L but for basic city driving around town and getting in/out of traffic it’s more than adequate
Yea it is adequate but compared to the 3.3 it is slow. Very slow. The jump from the 2.0t to the 3.3.t is way bigger than the 2.0 to most average cars... When people say the 2.0 is slow they're talking contextually between it and the 3.3
I test drove the 3.3 and it’s definitely a little rocket ship, but I’ve also driven plenty of economy cars like the Elantra (non N-line) and the 2.0 definitely felt closer to the 3.3 in my experience. Once again I’m not denying that the 3.3L is considerably faster, it definitely is. Even online: 3.3L 0 to 60 is 2.0L is 6.2 seconds 3.3L is 4.5 seconds Elantra is 8.4 seconds https://www.allenturnergenesis.com/2020-genesis-g70-0-60-times/#:~:text=This%20powertrain%20boasts%20some%20significant,Horsepower%3A%20365%20hp https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2019-genesis-g70-20t-first-test-review/ https://www.clementhyundai.com/hyundai-elantra-0-60-horsepower-specs.htm#:~:text=Hyundai%20Elantra%200%20to%2060%20Times&text=Although%20the%20official%20acceleration%20metrics,the%20cut%20in%208.4%20seconds.&text=Meanwhile%2C%20the%20Hyundai%20Elantra%20N,same%20leap%20in%204.8%20seconds.
That’s cute but the Elantra N line and the Ki Forte GT are just as fast with the same features and $10,000 cheaper. The 2.slow is a terrible value- probably why Genesis axed it for the 2.5.
The Elanta N doesn’t have the same features as the 2.0 lol. The materials, tech, ride quality, etc, are all far superior in the Genesis. The 2.0 is a great value for most average drivers who don’t care about needing crazy performance lol.
I said N line, and actually the Kia Forte GT’s interior is better then the regular 2.0
That's cool. I don't care what the quoted times are. I tested the 2023 2.0L and it was 7-8 seconds to 60 flat out. I've done 4.6 seconds in my 3.3T None of my tests use the phoney exclusion of a 1 foot rollout. Not saying the elantra is fast. It's not. But neither is the 2.0 lol It's not supposed to be fast though, it's supposed to be stylish, good handling and luxurious for people who don't care about speed... The one I tested was a fully loaded 2.0 with the same tires as my 3.3t so it's possible that all the add ons made it slower but... multiple attempts. Never any faster than 7.8s the 2.0 could not break the summer tires loose either
Only 7-8 seconds? Damn. I haven’t tested it but now I’m actually curious.
That's what a normal car is though. The Integra is like 7.5 seconds which is 1 second slower than the ilx it replaced lol. I did my tests when it was in the high 80s (but so were the tests on my 3.3) at sea level. I used premium gas and did a small amount of boost building. I know some people want to hold it at 3000 rpms for 5 seconds before launching and maybe that is the key but as far as I'm concerned that's not a realistic measure of 0-60 time. I also did no boost building at all when I tested my 3.3 and achieved 4.6-4.8 seconds from a dig. Again though, the 2.0 isn't a slow car, it's just slow by comparison to the 3.3/other performance sedans.
That's entirely false. I have a 2020 2.0T AWD and have times it with a vbox it does 0-60 in 5.9s. The only thing of note is the engine is broken in (now at 44k) and I have only ever run super premium in it from new. If you put regular in it there is a noticeable performance hit, and Car and Driver noticed on their own 2.0T long term tester than the 0-60 tomes (which started at 6.2s) fell repeated over the 40k term they had the car, so I think brand new the ECU might be programmed to restrict power during break in, like many performance cars
I don’t understand why the 2.0 even exists. Had one as a loaner when my 3.3T was in the shop before it was bought back through the lemon law. I hated every second of it. It’s like turd in a tuxedo, felt like a Lexus. Buying an M340i now. Insurance on an M340i is absolutely insane, at least it gets better gas mileage than the 3.3/2.0.
The point of the 2.0 was to get RWD / manual. It really doesn't make sense in the other layouts
It's meant for people who don't care about speed. Like the 4 cylinder bmws and Mercedes. What confuses me is why people keep trying to say it's not slow. Just own it lol Like my buddy with jeep grand Cherokee 3.6l kept sending me acceleration videos when i had my scat pack I'm like... why? You bought. 4wd suv, it's not meant to be fast it's meant to be able to drive in the snow and dirt lol. Weirdest thing. I also had the 2.0 for a month right after I bought my 3.3 while the dealer was not fixing (making worse actually) some minor things they said they would fix.
Dont waste your time, the only people replying are owners of the 2.0 trying to cope that there vehicle is fast. The 2.0 is slow, if it feels fast to anyone I wish I were you, but most people don’t buy it for speed so I get that ofc.
Lol I get it, but at the same time I don’t. Reminds me of high school where people would buy from Ross or something to make it look like they had money. Not fooling anyone. My main issue with it is that obviously it’s slow. If you’re buying it for the “luxury” aspect, the G70 is not very luxurious in my opinion. I’d rather save 10k and get a limited trim Hyundai anything. My Volvo I have right now is the most comfortable car I’ve ever sat in with the best sound system I’ve ever heard in any car, ever. Even the Diamond Bowers and Wilkins in the high end BMWs can’t hold a candle to it. Drives like a boat tho. If I’m going for slow and luxurious there’s way better options. Edit: just to clarify, ONLY referring to the concept of purchasing a 2.0. Still love the looks of Genesis in general and would have rather my 3.3T been fixed, not bought back. Genesis did what was right by me with little push back once I initiated the process and didn’t even have to threaten litigation.
0-60 in under 6 seconds is quick by any measure, and was downright fast 10 years ago. So yes, the 2.0T is quick. The 3.3TT is a rocketship though
You're not getting under 6 seconds in the 2.0
No that's just blatantly false. 2.0T AWD is 6.0 seconds to 60, and mine has actually done it multiple times at 5.7s. 3.3TT AWD is 4.5-4.6s to 60. Not even 2 seconds difference on a bad day, and really only a hair over 1s under normal conditions. The difference is the passing power, that's where the 3.3TT is a rocketship. But off the line, the notable weight difference actually makes the 3.3TT less fast than you'd think.
Nope. You're wrong.
Great answer for him. I'd add too that BMW's are a dime a dozen. It's nice to have a car with all the bells and whistles and performance that's not as common on the road. It also looks cool with the Sport Prestige package.
I love my G70 but the mpg truly is awful in stop and go traffic and drive mode doesn't seem to change much.
Yeah I noticed that, on like country roads and state routes drive mode makes a difference, and at interstate speeds I see into the 30s in Eco and really high 20s in Comfort (my car is AWD and these modes do change the engagement of the AWD system), but around town it's THIRSTY
Have a 2022 M240i and a 2019 G70, I slightly prefer the G70, it's not quite as fast, but it's just as fun, I greatly prefer the steering wheel, and pedal feel of the G70, the analog gauges, and overall interior of the G70 are superior in my opinion, however the M240i is faster, feels a bit sportier with the exhaust and stiffer suspension but isn't quite as comfortable as a daily driver due to those things, it is really up to your preference, also the B58 is better on gas
The M340i is undoubtedly although barely better in most ways and worse in only a handful of areas by the tiniest of margins. The G70 similarly is worse by only the tiniest of margins in many ways (power train, suspension setup) and where it excels (interior tech, steering [dont like the variable racks in the BMWs]comfort, standard features) it beats the M340i by just a bit. But it's a $10k delta between the cars, new and used its about the same delta, and the G70 is not 25% worse. The G70 is the last of its kind, and the best drivers car Hyundai/Genesis will likely ever make. In its SP trim it's also the top dog of the sedan line up. The M340i is always going to be the middle man, the almost M car. The G70 is special, you don't see them all that often and it is the contrarians sorta sporty sedan choice. I test drove them all (c43, M240i/m340i, TTS, v8 RS5, IS, Stinger) and the BMWs very closely followed by the G70 were well clear of the rest. I think the BMWs were clinically proficient and very quick, but the G70 was nearly as good with a whole lot more character. The B58 and ZF are amazing and best in class, and while the Lambda and in-house 8speed are a bit worse their flaws add character and add to the driving experience. The B58 feels almost NA and very linear in its power delivery, the Lambda def feels old school turbo charged, gutless until 3k rpm and then a wall of torque kicks ya back. Similar story with the transmissions and suspension, the G70 while less competent feels fun and whimsical to toss into a corner way too fast and let the tail flop out and the awd suck eveything back into line. The BMW just gets it done faster with less drama and less driver engagement. Tldr The G70 is the worse car, but only by a little and it's flaws actually add to the driving experience of the car instead of detracting from it. The BMW while better is boring, they are everywhere, and it always the forgotten mild child of the 3 series lineup. The G70 is comparatively rare, doesn't take itself too seriously while being very fast and better self driving tech, and as it's being discontinued is always going to be best sports sedan to come out of Korea.
This is the answer. If both cars were the same price the m340i is the obvious choice for someone who wants the better performing car. But they aren't. Not even close. The m340is were 63+k when I got my fully loaded SP for 52.5 Now the sticker on my g70 is now like 57k in 2024 so if Genesis keeps increasing the price it may be a different story but when I bought my g70 i wasn't (still not) willing to pay an extra 10k over what I paid. I didn't even want to pay that but when I looked at how expensive the 2023 edge st was (57k), how expensive a new Charger scat pack was (60k), how exoensive a Golf R was (52k) and how expensive the elantra N was by me (45k) after nonsense dealer upcharges the g70 became the obvious choice. The Stinger would have also been a contender but again. It was the same price as my g70 and I'd rather my car say Genesis than Kia
So the M340i is going to give you much more of a sports car experience. Awesome sounding exhaust note, awesome engine and engine note, not to mention the gas mileage, 35mpg on highway and some people have reported even 40mpg on highway. That B58 is a really impressive engine and extremely reliable at that too. My biggest regret buying the G70 is lack of sportyness. I previously had an M235i with a dinan exhaust on it and that car sounded like literal heaven with that inline 6, its one of the best sounding engines. This G70 is very lackluster when it comes to the exhaust note, and even with Aftermarket exhaust mods still doesn't sound good. The G70 is more along the lines of a smooth refined Mercedes than a sports car that is gonna give you that visceral experience. Aftermarket support for this car also sucks beyond JB4 and the crummy sounding over priced ARK exhaust (sorry to offend anyone out there, but this guy wants an honest opinion so this is mine). If I could do it over again, I think I would have picked the M340i or M240i. While the G70 - has impressive performance, handling, crazy comfortable ride, all the tech and gadgets at a significantly cheaper price, oh and not to mention looks 10x better and is way more unique and eye catching... What it doesnt have or give the driver is that true sports car experience that something like a BMW will. That's my two cents on the matter. I decided to go with looks and value for money over driver experience, which I kinda regret now. It's still a great car and actually handles better than the M340i and provides a much smoother ride, but I really miss that B58 engine. If I could take the B58 engine from the M340I and stick it in the G70 I would.
Also one more thing to consider, don’t just think of the initial price difference, think of the price difference once warranty ends on any service work. While the b58 engine is very reliable there’s still a shit ton of electrical stuff that can go bad, and “consumables” that would need replacing after certain mileages. While this applies to both cars, working on a bmw is usually both a nightmare and has more expensive products even for something as simple as a battery. This leads to it costing more for even basic maintenance. I’m not 100% sure on how much the g70 maintenance costs since I haven’t owned it out of warranty, but considering it shares most of its parts with hyundai/kia I doubt it’d be that expensive. This is speaking from experience as I drove a 2016 BMW x5 before getting my 2022 G70, and that bmw became too annoying to drive after the warranty ended with the constant little repairs costing a shit ton. I still remember the moment I thought yeah fuck bmw, I had a bad valvetronic (bmw used this instead of a throttle body), which also lead to my battery dying. Car stopped working, so I had to get a guy to tow the car. He comes and we realize we can’t get the car on neutral without a battery. I googled it, turns out you have to jack the car up and put it on neutral from a switch underneath the car…
This is the best response
I don't agree, and let me explain why. The whole issue with the luxury, compat/entry, sports car segment is that you simultaneously want noise isolation in the interior but a sporty sound and feel. We are in an era of cars where manufacturers have increased noise isolation because people want that - I know I do after having lived with a poorly isolated car that had a roof basket which only made NVH worse. There are videos on youtube of no resonator no muffler G70s and they actually sound great, but I also don't want my car to be that loud which is why I'm excited for the Borla working with the valved system. Also for tuning there's lap3 which seems like the best option for this car. However, I plan to keep this car stock minus the exhaust and just enjoy the warranty. If you want a REAL sports car, why even get either versus something more dedicated? I doubt many people track the m340i or the G70 since both are really heavy and not set up for that suspension wise.
I have to think that's because you have an awd. The g70 is an insanely sporty car. The m340 is much quicker 0-60 but that's about it... the engine on the g70 sounds amazing too. Yes, the exhaust is subdued but...
I’d compare it more to the Audi S4 then the Mercedes C43
G70 sure looks better!!
2.0 vs 3.3 vs every other car mentioned here. I’m now the very happy owner of the ‘24 G70 2.5 loaded. It’s a great little mill producing 300 HP and playing with the different driving modes and paddles is now great driving for me. Peace.
That's the engine the base g70 should have had since the remodel. Definitely needed 300hp to compete with other cars when even the q50/g37 has had 300hp for the last what seems like 50 years lol.
I was in the same exact boat and went G70 for exactly your interest- price. I also looked at the Audi S4/S5, Acura TLX type S, Merc AMG c43, and the Lexus IS500F, in addition of a bunch of stuff not really in the segment like the Porsche Macan and VW Golf R. Ultimately, I wanted reliable (not Merc or Audi), AWD (not Lexus IS), and to not pay markup lest I take a huge loss if something happens to the car (not Golf R). The price for a new m340i was about 63k pre-tax at best, which was around 7-8% off when I was looking. That discount seems to be the best you can commonly get based on my research, and only one dealer would do that. Mind that 63k was a discounted price for like a middle tier option package, aka vinyl interior, no ztk performance package (which isn't really ordered by dealers), no pro driving assist, and rarely the parking assist package. The G70 awd 3.3t sport prestige I purchased new was about 50k pre-tax and is very heavy in terms of tech features. There is nothing I am left wanting for in terms of luxury/tech aside from maybe a bigger car. The m340i will likely be marginally faster when stock. As is, the G70 is so easy to accidentally speed with. I'm sure some might say the m340i handles better but this is subjective as both have electronic power steering and are heavy cars though the G70 is slightly smaller and I do notice that when driving. Neither is a true track car out of the box regardless... Both have tuning potential in aftermarket but the BMW has more options. These are luxury freeway passers that are nearly 4k lbs. They are both sporty and the BMW sounds better but the G70 definitely doesn't sound bad, and sounds quite good straight piped. I am personally considering an axle back exhaust if the Borla one coming up is not too expensive. Do I regret not having gotten an m340i? Zero percent. This car does everything I would have wanted an m340i to do minus slightly more space, slightly better sound, and branding. What don't I like about my G70? The gas mileage is absolutely fucking terrible in stop and go city driving- highway is acceptable. M340i definitely has better MPG but I also saved ~$15k after tax so spending the extra gas money isn't an issue. What would I have considered in retrospect? Maybe a Macan S or GTS but it would still be a lot more money even CPO for a much heavier yet not very spacious vehicle. An M3 comp xdrive would also have been interesting but above how much I wanted to spend on a daily, and I keep seeing parts thefts on BMWs, especially G80 M3s, like mirrors, wheels, etc. I'm planning to just get a track car to further scratch the more sporty itch, while I don't jeopardize the thing that brings me to and from work.
The m340i is quicker but the g70 is plenty fast. It's a real fun car to drive. Negatives: Exhaust sound 1 USB port (data) Interior space Half digital dash Potential dealership hassle (ymmv) Tons of pros tho Acceleration Handling Styling Features (so many features on the 3.3t sp) Price Warranty Engine sound, the g70 has a great sounding engine, yea the exhaust is quieter than most would like but the engine sounds great
One slight thing to add on here. When I was looking between these two I feel as there is 100000 bmws 3 series on the road and I barely see any g70s where I live and I think it’s quite cool to have a less driven car.
340 is the better car (performance, exhaust, mpg, interior) but it’s also more expensive with a much worse warranty.
Disagree hard on interior. The G70 interior looks great and you have heated + ventilated seats with leather compared to big upcharges to get that kind of stuff from bmw.
Full digital dash, better infotainment, better speakers, significantly bigger trunk etc
I actually opted for a 23 over 24 because I like the buttons, and a lot of people preferred idrive 7 to 8 for the same reasons. I felt pretty neutral on 7 vs 8 so it didn't matter to me. I'm not trying to watch netflix in my car so I don't care about having a massive screen like idrive 8 gives. You might be the first person I've heard of that thinks the m340i HK audio is better than the Lexicon but people have different preferences. This is another one where it didn't make or break it for me either way but I, and seems most others, think the G70's is better. Bigger space is no contest a victory for the 3 series.
I’ll agree with that, same with the G70 HVAC buttons. Older one is better and easier to use. I was referencing the 23 tho. As an audiophile Lexicon is a bit of a let down. Really like the bmw infotainment dial. And ofc it drives better.
I think end of the day, both are great cars and it definitely feels like they rule the segment if you want AWD. If the price difference was only $5k I'd probably have gotten the BMW, but the price difference was 3x that. Neither are "real" track cars so I figured I'd take the cheaper one and get a dedicated.
So which one is the better car again...lol?
Good discussions in this thread. Like I said earlier, really need to test both and see if you think the cost premium for the BMW is worth it. Having owned a BMW (2002 740iL) after warranty was up I'd say a hard NO, just too expensive and things seem to start really going south after the warranty expires. G70s haven't been around long enough to really see what may pop up after the 5/60 warranty is up but the Genesis cars have been doing pretty well w/ the Gen coupe on up. Only real thing I wish Genesis would have done w/ the G70 is retained more of the sporty edge in the 19-21 model and carried more of that into the 22+ models. I know they are trying to keep the overall Genesis line cohesive so I get the rounded modern update, but much prefer the pre22 overall design. Both are home runs however IMO (except for the oval exhaust rings, just give us quads like the G80 and Stinger!)
Go G70 3.3t, I have the G80 sport 3.3t and both are fun amazing cars. BMW makes great cars but for the premium cost and if you plan to own it long term the maintenance gets expensive. I was an Audi guy A5 stage 2+, A6, and A4 and would never go back. Genesis makes amazing cars from a price to value performance standpoint. Plus the 3.3T motor is a proven motor.
I have a ‘21 Genesis G70 3.3T SP RWD and it’s tuned to ~500whp. You can get great power pretty quickly on this platform, and there are a lot of different paths you can go with tuning and mods. That being said, it doesn’t have the aftermarket support of a B58, and it isn’t as quick as an M340i stock. That being said, the G70 is much cheaper and quite a few people have gotten into the 10’s without upgrading their turbos, which is really quick. Both the M340i and G70 3.3T powertrains are equally reliable, so that’s not an issue. It really just depends on what you’re looking for, and if you’re going to want to go past 500whp (w/o turbos) or ~800whp (upgraded head studs/gaskets, etc. + upgraded turbos). If you feel like you might, the M340i might be the better choice. Some other options to look into that would be great for tuning would be the RS3/TT RS, CLA 45 S, AMG C 43 (V6), or a Nissan Z. Or if you’re okay with something older that’s quick stock and has a shit ton of room to tune… maybe even a 997 Turbo. I had to say it 😂
If you get a chance look up Lucid. All electric and has unbelievable smooth ride. Had my own charger installed in my garage. It gets 450 range and charges fast
unless you have a GENESIS STANDALONE dealership near you DO NOT GET THE GENESIS
Why does this matter