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CuclGooner

they picked the one and pretty much only example of Britain not displacing and colonising a local people


Icy_Consequence897

I know, this argument could easily be made by any South Asian, Indigenous North American and Australian, and many African nations. Why pick one of the two examples that undermine the argument completely (Gibraltar being the other)


Espi0nage-Ninja

Just curious, how is Gibraltar like the falklands in this context? We settled the falklands, but we nicked Gibraltar from Spain?


Matobar

The residents of Gibraltar have previously voted to remain a British territory and not rejoin Spain. IIRC the vote margin was really lopsided.


joevarny

As a brit, it was kinda crazy to see people who love my country, we certainly don't. When I was there, there was a big celebration for the support of the UK, and I've never seen so many patriots screaming, "god save the queen." I don't think you could find any brit as patriotic as the average gib.


atreeinthewind

Probably feel like they have more skin in the game given the circumstances


BuryEdmundIsMyAlias

I do a fair amount of business in Gib. The difference in quality of life as soon as you cross the border into Spain is stark. Jobs, money, infrastructure were all built and many people from mainland Spain go to Gib to work and then go back home end of the day in Spain


MaxGalt

Yes you are right but also I would like to add that the surroundings of Gibraltar is in fact one of the poorest parts of Spain hence the strong contrast.


Aviationlord

I suppose a couple of centuries staring over the border at Spain and seeing invasions and civil wars will kind of make you glad that you’re British


AlphaCureBumHarder

I was wondering if the vote was during the Spanish facist period or more recent.


nem086

This was probably the referendum in 2002.


LazyDro1d

I imagine it’s because on the mainland, leaving all that patriotic stuff is broadly unnecessary, you’re part of the UK, right at its core, that’s not changing, only have to worry about administration. For Gibraltar it’s “yes we adamantly want to remain part of the UK and not go back to Spain or anything”


Icy_Consequence897

The people who live there also overwhelmingly voted to remain part of the UK


Azikt

And part of the EU. Shows you can be both.


BardtheGM

Spain was another Empire, not an oppressed minority. Land changed ownership between Britain, Germany, France and Spain hundreds of times over the course of European history and we've agreed to let the bygone claims go. Gibraltar is just one of those pieces of land we took.


pass_nthru

al-andalus was there before spain was a dream of the goths at the start of the reconquista


ImperialFisterAceAro

And the Visigoths were there before Al-Andalus, and the Hispano-Romans before them, and the Iberians + Celtiberians before them, and so on


GearRude4883

Also we didn't nick it so much as we were given it by Spain for helping them kick Napoleon and the king he installed out. (If I'm remembering correctly) Then years later Spain asked for it back, we said no and then had the population of Gibraltar vote on it. Spain still isn't very happy with us over that though not much they can do now


Espi0nage-Ninja

Given it back, yes. However we nicked it a century earlier in the war of Spanish succession.


GearRude4883

Ah ok, i didn't know that (or I forgot), though does that mean we nicked it, they got it back and then gave to us or that they never got it back and just decided we could keep it after the Napoleonic wars? Well until they asked for it back again


Espi0nage-Ninja

From what I remember, and also a to summarise a quite complex war, the Franco-Spanish side never actually captured Gibraltar, and so after the war, the Spanish (who at this point were British allies who helped defeat napoleon and helped push him out of the Iberian peninsular) weren’t in a position to demand it, and if they did, they wouldn’t have gotten far as the congress of Vienna’s goals were to basically set Europe back to how it was, with a few changes.


GearRude4883

Ah ok, thanks. Might do so further reading on this as I'm interested now


Espi0nage-Ninja

If ur interested in the napoleonic wars, I’d recommend oversimplified on YouTube. Got me interested in those wars a few years ago


Fatscot

We won it, not nicked it.


ICBIND

Unless it was in poker, those are the same thing. Conquest can be viewed as a type of victory AND a type of theft.


Yara__Flor

You won those Greek artifacts too, eh?


MGD109

Nope bought them off what was the legitimate government for the last three hundred years. Can't blame them for not predicting said government would be overthrown eighty years later.


Fatscot

That’s different, they are borrowed for safekeeping


No_Corner3272

Because we didn't colonise it at the expense of the indigenous inhabitants - we won it in battle from another colonial European power.


Dremora-Stuff99

Out of curiosity, what is the other example?


HellspawnWeeb

Gibraltar


fuckmelongtime1

What's the other example again.


shadowkiller168

Gibraltar.


fuckmelongtime1

Lol thanks.


shadowkiller168

You're welcome, u/fuckemelongtime1


stubing

Could I get it a third time please.


shadowkiller168

No.


Dremora-Stuff99

Ty


SnooBooks1701

St Helena also had no indigenous population


stonecuttercolorado

Because the British have left all the others


TK-6976

Not really North America as a whole. The British had a law that prevented colonists from going any further into native land from what I remember. The colonists didn't really like that rule, so after the Rebellion, they broke it and 'manifested destiny'


derndingleberries

What country is currently colonized and displaced by Britain?


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NorfolkingChancer

Northern Ireland was mostly colonised by Scots, not English, under James VI of Scotland. Wales was mostly colonised by the Normans, not the English, when they conquered Britain.


itinerantmarshmallow

Doesn't this depend on the length of time? Northern Ireland was colonised and (a majority of) the descendants of those colonisers are fervently pro UK. The descendants of the native population were disenfranchised at best.


BigFatKi6

Wales


Crafty_Travel_7048

It's been 700 years, I don't think you want to set that precident


Tomas2891

I don’t know. I heard they displaced some sheep.


MyPasswordIsMyCat

The UK needed the Falklands Islands for strategic sheep purposes. Eddie Izzard said so.


whatafuckinusername

Cayman Islands, too


Opening_Load3725

Bermuda as well


Winterqueen5

While not disputed land, I’m pretty sure Tristan de Cunha was also uninhabited.


stuart7873

That is pretty fair actually lol.


Kindly-Ad-5071

That's because all the other examples are ones they actually support.


Crusher555

The closest thing to that is the extinction of the Falkland Island wolf.


BAYKON8R

At least in Canada and America it was a joint effort in whoever came over. (Mostly the Brit’s but you get the point)


Left1Brain

They could have done it with the Indian Ocean Territories and it would have worked much better.


marinemashup

It’s posts like these that make me wonder if it was made to make movements like Land Back look stupid


Nigeldiko

The only native inhabitants of the Falklands are the current inhabitants of the Falklands lol


Commander_Red1

And they voted to be in the UK


ScholarPitiful8530

By an almost comical amount at that. Of the 92% of the island who showed up to vote, only three people no longer wanted to be a British territory.


Nigeldiko

One local did it as a joke, as he knew it wouldn’t actually go ahead. And the other two were members of the Argentine Electoral Commission that were sent to the islands to make sure everything was fair and only voted after being bought drinks by the locals lol


ScholarPitiful8530

Wait why were the Argentines allowed to vote?


Nigeldiko

Probably because all the locals didn’t really care all that much. And besides there was a group of intoxicated pub-goers with the equally intoxicated Argentines as they went towards the voting office so they probably cared even less lol


ScholarPitiful8530

That is still pretty funny though. Three votes, two of which were from Argentines and one from a guy who did it as a joke.


Nigeldiko

Yeah fr lol


Bobblefighterman

For funsies


angus22proe

The Falklands seem like a cool place. Be nice to live there for 6 months or something


Primary-Surprise6091

I lived there for 6 months, it’s shit. Though venturing to the Antarctic was a great experience.


angus22proe

Anywhere is better than where I currently live


futurarmy

Hull?


Greekball

Britain *shudders*


angus22proe

Rural Australia


Flaky-Ad3725

I officially invite you to Hull to get brayed


VoreEconomics

If you want to live in a cold desolate wasteland for 6 months Svalbard is cooler, Longyearbyen is actually a pretty well stocked place for how isolated it is.


BathFullOfDucks

Come see our world renown longest corridor on earth


ranni-the-bitch

dude you can get drunk anywhere, it's a desolate shithole


Practical-Loan-2003

I thought it was 1 joke, 1 thought 100% would look rigged and 1 was Argentine


SnooBooks1701

Iirc, one did it as a joke, one did it because he thought people wouldn't believe 100% and the third wanted independence


Snokey115

Poor falklands


Hihohootiehole

Not even the sheep. It seems Serbia, Argentina, and Russia are all part of the “this thing next to us is ours” club


softfart

China too


Kindly-Ad-5071

Homie, Serbia has gone through mitosis so many times, it shouldn't count.


Hihohootiehole

lol I’m keeping my frame of reference to the last 40 years or so to keep my head


Kindly-Ad-5071

The last time they...*reproduced* was **2007** I think.


Hihohootiehole

Long overdue then


Perturabo_Iron_Lord

You can add Hungary to that list.


Hihohootiehole

Yah hungry for sure


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WilliamTee

Literally got like a third of the world they could have used as an example, and instead picked a place where probably only the penguins have a legit argument about being displaced...


DMercenary

The irony is that the citizens of falkland did vote in 2013. And they voted to stay with the UK.


domino_squad1

Wasn’t there like only three people who voted to leave Britain


Winjin

Yes, they say that in other thread that 1 did it as a joke and two were from the Argentina's Committee who basically got smashed with the locals and were allowed to vote for funsies.


Cultural_Thing1712

3 voted to leave. It was a 99.8% approval rating.


Git_gud_Skrub

And even then, 1 person voted to leave cause they didn't want it to be 100% in favour of the UK if i recall right.


Shirtbro

Falkland Islands population gene pool is a puddle


VulcanHullo

They do tend to head outside and meet new folks, particularly around university age. Sometimes they bring them back. Now, a woman I used to know who was Bi from the Falklands did once say she was "straight by default" before she went to university in the UK. Given what I've heard about how small the queer scene is on the Isle of White I can only imagine the Falklands.


GoPhinessGo

Imagine being the only gay person on the Islands


FlamingSnowman3

A bit like the Jewish population of Afghanistan, I’d imagine. (Aka there are/until very recently were exactly two Jewish men living in Afghanistan, and they hated each other so much the Taliban actually let them out of prison because their arguing was so annoying for all the guards)


gourmetguy2000

And it wasn't rigged unlike the Russian referendums


moosehq

What’s interesting is that prior to the invasion, the UK government was fully in favour of handing the islands over to the Argentinians, but the islanders were staunchly in favour of remaining British. The invasion settled things obviously, and it became a “British Pride” thing and a welcome distraction for Thatcher given her waning popularity at the time.


DeviousMelons

On the plus side it also prevented a potentially deady war between Argentina and Chile. An ex argentine General talked about it a while ago. One of the reasons why the Brits fought teenagers was because the professional troops were waiting on the Chillean border to attack when it seems the Falklands were fully under control.


kotor56

Man if it was multiple choice with all the nations on the list Argentina would be close to the bottom.


Longjumpingpea1916

It's probably not even true but I have always heard one guy voted to leave the UK by accident


GoPhinessGo

He did it as a joke


birberbarborbur

Can’t believe my boi ravignon would post something so braindead


kotor56

Theirs so many jokes about the British empire and he chose the rare W.


ace5762

If anything if you wanted to follow this thread of bumfuck logic Argentina seems to be employing, the islands would belong to Spain, not Argentina.


DoranTheGivingTree

That's actually exactly their stance: except they argue that Argentina is the heir to Spain in that region, including the Falklands. Their logic (here used as a technical, value-neutral, term) is that Spain had a diplomatic stance that the islands were Spanish at the time that Argentina gained independence, if Spain had had a colony and control of them (instead of the British) that colony would have joined the new nation of Argentina It's utterly insane. If the Falklands were Spanish they might have become Argentinian, and if my grandmother had had wheels she would have been a bicycle.


GoPhinessGo

By that logic as well, most of Argentina should belong to Spain


Positive-Database754

They could've used literally any other example for the UK, and it would've been fine. But they chose the ONE wrong answer lmao


President-Lonestar

I'm not British, but I always become one in spirit whenever the Falklands are mentioned.


AineLasagna

One of my favorite standup bits is a guy from New Jersey learning about the Falkland Islands in school. “Which Falkland Islands you talkin’ about? There’s lotsa fuckin’ islands out there. The Hawaiian fuckin’ Islands?”


President-Lonestar

And then you got Gilligan’s fuckin island.


Worldsmith5500

If they want the Falklands they can try take em...again 🤭


theMARxLENin

Why not use Ireland as an example?


President-Lonestar

Because white people can’t be oppressed.


Z-A-T-I

Argentina is also a majority white country. Pretty sure OP was just being dumb


ardy_trop

Yeah, but they're Spanish speaking "white". /s


ScholarPitiful8530

Americans think all of Latin America is the same as Mexico.


Levi-Action-412

Argentinas are white *- Big Man Tyrone*


Imperceptive_critic

[Insert 4chan flame war about Argentina being white here]


Shirtbro

Boooooooring


BaronMerc

In case anyone is wondering the IRA themselves would only crack jokes saying malivnas Literally the no.1 haters consider it a joke


Appropriate-Count-64

Also the Island already voted to stay with the UK. Only mainland Argentinians want the islands back.


Infinitystar2

Argentina never had the island to begin with.


Significant-Desk777

What do you mean by “back” here? Edit - didn’t notice the thread was so old, never mind.


Appropriate-Count-64

I mean the did control the islands. It was for a few hours but they did control the islands


According_Bat_8150

Damn, they had so many examples of Britain colonising to pick from too 😭


EgoSenatus

Pro Argentinian propaganda? You hardly ever see that. Are they trying to have a Falkland War part II? The first one worked so well for them.


BardtheGM

Actually the current Falklands citziens are the native population. The Maori only arrived in New Zealand about 700 years and that's enough for them to be considered the native population without question. So the first population to live generation to generation and develop their culture while living on the Falkland Islands are the ethnically British people living there now.


Pervstein

European colonial settler-states like Argentina and many others for some reason claim to "have been victims of European colonialism" when they themselves are the European colonists in question and not some random Spaniards or Brits still living in Europe.


Nova_Persona

most countries like to pick a side between colonizers & natives, but Latinamerican countries like to play the colonizers when they want to hurt others, & the natives when they are hurt


Your-Evil-Twin-

Yeah the part that’s funniest to me is when brits get blamed for the native American genocide, like, no, that was the Americans, Brits today are the one who stayed in our island and minded our own business.


xtrasour37

Brits are well known for their history of staying on their own island and minding their own business


Your-Evil-Twin-

Well let’s not go that far, I’m referring to a specific historical event.


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YourAverageGenius

Especially considering that all throughout the history of South America no-one really inhabited it besides the Spanish for a brief period because it's honestly just kinda shit to be in, super rainy, cloudy, stormy weather and few natural resources besides some okay-osh pasture lands. The reason the British own it is because they're the only people who have people who've stayed on the island long enough to make it considered theirs because they're used to that kind of weather and found it pretty suited to raising sheep. Of all the lands you could accuse the UK of colonizing, including the Home Islands, the Falklands is pretty much the last place you could term as colonization. They literally just set up shop and declared it theirs because nobody else did. The most you could even semi-reasonably argue is that it's *kinda* a threat to South American sovereignty since it's a hub for their navy that's not too far away from the continent and that Argentina, the modern state, might have claimed it first if they had the same advantages and naval ability of the British so they only were able to colonize it because of the historical power gap between the two states, but even those are flimsy and hard to justify, especially since the UK for a long time has had no significance or basically any influence over South America, so it's barely even a threat considering that they just aren't involved in the continent to begin with.


Rabid_Lederhosen

Shit weather and nothing there but sheep? The Brits must have felt right at home.


Practical-Loan-2003

Welsh specifically


kotor56

The junta needed a distraction because the economy was shit and thought the British Wouldn’t care. Turns out the British did care. America tried to mediate realized Britain was out for blood and decided to stay out of it for once.


sprauncey_dildoes

Britain also needed a distraction.


MyLiverpoolAlt

Correct, The Milk Snatcher needed a public boost and nothing does better than defending "British Values".


kotor56

As if thatcher wasn’t already hated. It’s hilarious the witch is dead was the most requested song when she died.


Rivarr

Not just most requested, it went to #2 in the charts.


SirGrumples

That doesn't explain why it's still a huge sticking point for them


kotor56

Most likely just cause it’s right next to them. Plus the war was a huge embarrassment for Argentina. Britain also made trade deals dictating meat sales which also meant economic decline for Argentina when sales collapsed. Also it highlights how dysfunctional and incompetence Argentina is that it can’t claim nearby island. An island who are doing much better than they are. Just raining all the time with goats and penguins it’s quite tropical for the British.


No_Corner3272

Because their economy is still a mess and the government still need a distraction


Shirtbro

Ah yes, the British army, relatively weak military /s


Yngkpo

The crazy part about reddit is people can make a completely ignorant offensive comment like this and as long as its politically left itll get upvoted. I have family that died in that war due to an extremist government but yeah were losers bro.


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The British military wasn’t a weak military back in the 1980s. It can be considered fairly weak now but not back then.


Helstrem

News flash, the British military is only weak now if you compare it to countries like the US or China. The UK’s military is absolutely capable of utterly annihilating the Argentine military. It wouldn’t be close.


the_evil_overlord2

HOW DID YOU PICK THE 1 FUCKING EXAMPLE WITHOUT DISPLACED NATIVES YOU HAD ONE FUCKING JOB


Kapika96

Argentina did try to displace people from the Falklands with their invasion though, just like Russia...


Azikt

The penguins ate them.


No-Garden-2273

Also Argentina has 2.83% of the population that are indigenous; Britain aren’t the settler colonists in this case


Professional_Cat_437

Ravignon is a pretty good guy, and this is a rare L.


Conscious_Year5651

Which fockin’ islands are you talkin’ about? Theres fockin’ islands all over the place!


Alternative_Run_1568

Imagine having nearly 100 instances of actual indigenous displacement by Great Britain to pick from, then choosing the Falklands, a conflict in which GB was 100% right and the islands were indisputably British and had been from nearly the start of human existence on them.


UltrasaurusReborn

While true it's basically also the only time that's ever happened to the British, and if there had been people there they'd have done the same thing lol.  But yeah I mean the people there now are British, it's a British overseas territory. Get fucked weird Argentina libertarian guy


TheCyberGoblin

There are a few random islands the UK held on to that never had an indigenous population. Ascension Island, for example. And I think Bermuda?


Handpaper

Javier Milie *has* to acknowledge Argentina's claim to the Falkland's, it's in the country's Constitution. He has, however, made it clear that he has no plans to attempt to retake the islands, not least because he also acknowledges that the Argentine armed forces would get their arses kicked.


Washington645

Didn’t the people in the falklands vote and want to be British?


humanmale-earth

Argentina had indigenous peoples though, wonder what happened to them 🤔


Known_Association330

And a referendum had been held and results counted in favour of British rule


Indigoh

How long does a population have to live somewhere to become natives to that location?


BabserellaWT

Out of all the events they COULD’VE chosen from the UK’s history and they go for the one that doesn’t support their point in the slightest.


Kindly-Ad-5071

They could have chosen any nation in the world - no really, any of 105, including Ireland - and they chose the one where nobody lived.


Dusty2470

There are far better examples of my country doing heinous shit.


Hoontaar

Polandball and garbage takes are an iconic combo, after all.


Ricard74

Heck, Argentina is an example of colonialism with the majority of its current population having Spanish roots.


DrCthulhuface7

Average self-hating westoid geopolitical cuck “Omg bad guys plz win and establish an anti-liberal world order that serves to disadvantage me and my descendants.”


agprincess

The natives of the Falkland Islands are British lol.


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MagDorito

Of all the countries that have indigenous people displaced by Britain, they had to pick the ONE country that didn't


Blaz1n420

I'm confused by this post. So was it ok for the UK to colonize the Falkland Islands or not?


Rixmadore

Sorry what is this obsession with the Falkland Islands? I just don’t get it


Comfortable_Note_978

Where are the native people in Argentina? Oh wait, they were exterminated. All but under 3% of them.


ThomasKlausen

If Argentina consider the 1833 borders sacrosanct, they can abandon Patagonia. Lead by example!


Brosenheim

Ok cool what about literally every other time?


Somethingbutonreddit

This post is about one of the only times that the British Empire wasn't the bad guy.


Awlawdhecawmin

It's a country ball comic based on the Falkland wars. It's a big meme in the community. It's not something to read too much into.


RealBadCorps

Didn't the UK specifically hold a vote to determine if it belonged to Argentina or the UK. And the people voted UK, then Argentina invaded anyway.


Somethingbutonreddit

The vote was after the invasion.


AccomplishedFly3589

As an American of Irish descent, I can think of atleast one better example...


Anxious-One123

An Argentinian furiously typed this


Somethingbutonreddit

Argentinians aren't native Americans either, I highly doubt Buenos Aires had nobody living there before the Spanish arrived; this isn't just wrong, it's hypocritical.