imo actually he should have peeked, cause he didn't know if hiko had a kit and he could have gone for a defuse, but the problem was that he took the battle, as soon as he got the info that hiko wasn't defusing, he should have hid again - that + elige ace cost them the potential win...
Yea that was a super wide peak, you could tell he realized it and just had to crouch+spray and take the fight at that point. Even if he delayed a few more seconds he could have taken that round.
Hiko shouldn't have gotten that 1v1 retake especially since he didn't even have a defuse kit. Forgot which NV player it was but he shouldn't have wide peeked that fake defuse.
It's so bittersweet seeing JDM on Liquid. On one hand it makes me sad, because I loved him on CLG. On the other hand, its nice to see him actually surrounded with talent that can match his level of play, something that never really happened on CLG.
Especially when you saw how CLG played today, you can see why he'd want to leave.
This is a pretty huge generalization. I think NA fans are people that are fans of *players* primarily and teams secondarily. There has always been talk that NA players end up on teams with people they like rather than building teams of elite players, with recent exception for movements on Liquid, so why would any of us have one team we always root for without fail?
I find myself supporting certain players and I get lucky when their whole team competes and pushes them farther in a tournament.
> Especially when you saw how CLG played today, you can see why he'd want to leave.
Not saying you're wrong, but the way they played today is pretty irrelevant. They have their coach standing in, and they just lost their main carry.
Pita definitely was not the problem today. Hell him and Hazed are the reason it was close.
His point is very relevant. Cutler is still there being a bot. Literally go watch the match today and find even one impact kill Cutler picked up. Tarik is still there being inconsistent.
They lost how they always lose, stupidity. And yes, today is a prime example of why he would want to leave that team.
This is the first time i have been legit angry over how a team plays, like holy shit. So many sloppy sprays and missed shots.
A anti-eco loss at 5-0.
The 3v1 loss at 6-3.
A stupid pistol round at 9-6, 3players shooting at 1 person but 2 die.
A anti-eco loss at 7-12.
Like i don't know what the fk is going on.
Seemed like they tilted out of this universe after the 3v1..sigh.
Just fucking drop Devil already.
Good E-League performance, but he is just bad.
NBK was non-existent aswell.
I had my hopes up a lil bit after E-League, but what the fuck was that.
It always makes me chuckle when I think about how NV picked up DEV1L and then G2 picked up bodyy afterwards, so NV passed on bodyy for DEV1L.
I know it's not really fair to compare them directly because they're being used in different ways in different teams, but the impact they're having and their performances are night and day compared to each other.
As Shox said,
nV picked the player with the best stats and put him in a role he is totally unconformtable in.
G2 watched a lot of demos and picked the player who fit the best into the role they needed.
He had good stats as a lurker on LDLC against shit teams, and when they brought him to Envy he had to switch roles and hasn't found a spot to be successful
He needed to be dropped as soon as he picked up the pen to sign his contract. I wish hastr0 had just been like "Yeah.. you know what? Nah. What's bodyy's number?"
JDM was going mental pretty much that entire game, it was actually unreal. He didn't have a crazy amount of kills on T side but still had solid impact.
kio was the problem, envy are performing much better now that he's gone. The teamplay is on point and devil is undoubtedly the greatest IGL of all time
im just sitting here and smiling, watching how jdm is rekin' kennyS.
Liquid HYPE TRAIN BOYS, CHOO CHOO
P.S. also Devil is beyond awful, i feel bad for the guy, but this is not acceptable. Whiffing mag7 shots and getting knifed, not checking left even tho he saw sots and enemy on the radar...
I highly doubt the -smithzz, regardless of how good of a choice it would be. I just feel like there's something he contributes that we can't see in the stats, and it would fuck up the team chemistry or something if he left.
Really well played by Liquid that game, Hiko and JDM (and Elige) went ham and it showed.
Poor by Envy though, Kenny seemed to be the only one who turned up. Happy threw away that round dueling vs Hiko and it was all downhill from there.
Oh my god Envy was so bad after their initial 5. The constant peeks that were unnecessary, taking fights in 1v1 situations where Liquid had the angle, and DEVIL...
That clean first 5 rounds kind of screwed Envy in a way. It got them to think they were on point and would be able to just bully Liquid, so once Liquid finally figured things out and started hitting their shots, it just threw Envy off completely.
happy and devil in that 1v2 legit lost them the game,
so heart broken when s1mple's deagle was just chipping them down...........
also elige with the ace and some shit team com coming in peeking him 1v1, THEN theres just devil running out like he's late to school or someshit
I don't know if simple is just playing bad or if liquid improved that much so simple does not have to go nuts 24/7 and everyone in the team does their job...
DEVIL managed to get knifed, kill himself and give away 2 free clutches to Liquid in a single map. Impressive!
He also flashed himself when he was going to pick up the bomb, he got it later but still funny.
"Devil is going to be popflashing himself" "He literally popflashed himself"
That 1v3 after Elige killed 2 of Devil's teammates, why did he have NO idea where Elige was? His teammates didn't call? No sound? I can't even
I'm glad Elige took advantage of it, but Devil handed him that ace for sure.
Happy in a team that's losing = no communication.
have you ever watched an envy/ldlc vod? happy is one of the most vocal players
Dont worry, he is mouz fan..... loads of comms, oh wait
SHAT AP
Hey now, the suicide wasn't his fault completely :-(
Yea nothing he could do there tbh.
please, I NEED A REPLAY OF THAT :O
the suicide wasnt really a suicide as he wouldve died anyway so its only a knife and 2 clutches. GOD Devil.
Don't forget the self flash. Though he did managed to kill jdm afterward.
nV deserved to lose the map, so many stupid plays.
1v2 vs hiko, DEVIL FUCKING JUMP PEEKS LMAO
happy fucked up a lot that round too by fucking PEEKING when hiko knows where he is
imo actually he should have peeked, cause he didn't know if hiko had a kit and he could have gone for a defuse, but the problem was that he took the battle, as soon as he got the info that hiko wasn't defusing, he should have hid again - that + elige ace cost them the potential win...
I think he just peeked too wide. You usually check quickly if the bomb's being defused and go back in hiding.
Yea that was a super wide peak, you could tell he realized it and just had to crouch+spray and take the fight at that point. Even if he delayed a few more seconds he could have taken that round.
Yeah it was definitely more on Happy than Devil. No reason to peek like that in the situation.
he even had flashes that he didn't use
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Hiko shouldn't have gotten that 1v1 retake especially since he didn't even have a defuse kit. Forgot which NV player it was but he shouldn't have wide peeked that fake defuse.
it was happy.
Yeah happy should've just shoulder peeked or walked around the train he had so much time, instead he just fully commits to the peak
He even shoulderpeeked, Hiko fired a shot and then Happy widepeeked and took the duel.
Elige 1v3, Devil just walks out looking for friendlies once it turns into a 1v1 lol.
Liquid learned how to count to 16 quickly
It's the 6 in JDM64, I swear.
64 / 4 = 16 Coincidence? I think not
JDM is the new meta.
I'm confused, when does overtime start and why does it say 16 by Liquid's name.
lmao. Not going to lie this comment makes me laugh and become salty at the same time. Damn you.. Have a upvote
Why I still torture myself to watching nV games is beyond me.
Last major i felt the "i expected nothing but im still disappointed", now i just completely gave up on this line up. Go G2!
Yeah.. About that..
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChayZ7jVEAInsyM.jpg:large
Liquid, from choking to comebacks.
http://i.imgur.com/35uRNJ0.png
http://i.imgur.com/5yQ0O47.gif
It's so bittersweet seeing JDM on Liquid. On one hand it makes me sad, because I loved him on CLG. On the other hand, its nice to see him actually surrounded with talent that can match his level of play, something that never really happened on CLG. Especially when you saw how CLG played today, you can see why he'd want to leave.
I feel sad for you CLG fans because of jdm, but I am really happy for myself and other TL fans, what a player! \\_
I mean most NA fans just cheer for whoever is getting the farthest in majors and tournaments... It's like "NA" itself is just a team.
This is a pretty huge generalization. I think NA fans are people that are fans of *players* primarily and teams secondarily. There has always been talk that NA players end up on teams with people they like rather than building teams of elite players, with recent exception for movements on Liquid, so why would any of us have one team we always root for without fail? I find myself supporting certain players and I get lucky when their whole team competes and pushes them farther in a tournament.
> Especially when you saw how CLG played today, you can see why he'd want to leave. Not saying you're wrong, but the way they played today is pretty irrelevant. They have their coach standing in, and they just lost their main carry.
thats his point dude.... CLGs fucking Coach played better then most of their starting players.
and it was a really close game.
Pita definitely was not the problem today. Hell him and Hazed are the reason it was close. His point is very relevant. Cutler is still there being a bot. Literally go watch the match today and find even one impact kill Cutler picked up. Tarik is still there being inconsistent. They lost how they always lose, stupidity. And yes, today is a prime example of why he would want to leave that team.
This is the first time i have been legit angry over how a team plays, like holy shit. So many sloppy sprays and missed shots. A anti-eco loss at 5-0. The 3v1 loss at 6-3. A stupid pistol round at 9-6, 3players shooting at 1 person but 2 die. A anti-eco loss at 7-12. Like i don't know what the fk is going on. Seemed like they tilted out of this universe after the 3v1..sigh.
They must have been tilted already because how else do you play that 3v1 that poorly?
Just fucking drop Devil already. Good E-League performance, but he is just bad. NBK was non-existent aswell. I had my hopes up a lil bit after E-League, but what the fuck was that.
-DEVIL -DEVIL -DEVIL -DEVIL -DEVIL +Literally anyone else. EDIT: I have to addendum my comment just because of the recent drama. -DEVIL -TMartn
-DEVIL -DEVIL -DEVIL -DEVIL -DEVIL -DEVIL -DEVIL -DEVIL +/u/Ov1d +/u/Krooss +/u/Ontyyyy +/u/JeanClaudeVanDankMem +/u/nirut +/u/Hussor +/u/artyboi37 +/u/WeCanDanseIfWeWantTo
Can I join I'm a designated awper
Sure thing
can I join? I main the XM
Can you be a manager? That's what we want.
I can be in the couch position
you're in
I just made it to silver 2, where do you want me?
he can be the mascot
:(
its the cycle of an envyus fan :(
Devil has to go... How the fuck can NBK and co defend him after so many chances?
Because when devil's there nobody notices that NBK's doing worse.
Devil MVP
**M**ost hea**V**y **P**layer?
**M**ost **V**exing **P**layer.
Most Volodya Player? Flair checks out?
DEVIL looking solid. ^^^^^/s
looking like a solid bag of shit
my sides
He sure wasn't looking liquid Kappa
devil quite literally wasn't looking at elige
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Looking for a new 5th.
You straight up stole the joke from the other thread..
still funny
By far the worst player tbh. I can't think of anyone else close to that bad.
Sometimes I wonder how he got picked up... How did he land on Envyus...
Well who else could they have picked up? There is nobodyy I can think of ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
They should have a look at that Kioshima guy on Faze. He seems decent.
But I was told KIO WAS THE PROBLEM
nobodyy else in ex6tenz
they thought they just needed a fresh bodyy
It always makes me chuckle when I think about how NV picked up DEV1L and then G2 picked up bodyy afterwards, so NV passed on bodyy for DEV1L. I know it's not really fair to compare them directly because they're being used in different ways in different teams, but the impact they're having and their performances are night and day compared to each other.
As Shox said, nV picked the player with the best stats and put him in a role he is totally unconformtable in. G2 watched a lot of demos and picked the player who fit the best into the role they needed.
He had good stats as a lurker on LDLC against shit teams, and when they brought him to Envy he had to switch roles and hasn't found a spot to be successful
well nv had a problem 4Head.
Shara, Cutler, MSL
Shara?
i'd put shara above really.
Shara is still ahead of devil. By a fair bit
on the elige ace he peeks after Kennys dies and he still cant trade. unbelievable
Devil has no place on a pro team. He is the worst tier 1 pickup ever. He needed to be dropped 3months ago.
He needed to be dropped as soon as he picked up the pen to sign his contract. I wish hastr0 had just been like "Yeah.. you know what? Nah. What's bodyy's number?"
ex6tenz would be a great pick up
Yeah. It's not like they are getting out of the groups anyway :P
DEVIL might actually be the worst pro i have ever seen.
Imagine this lineup DEVIL, Slemmy, Shara, Hunden, Summit
Might be able to beat CLG red 16-14 though
anyone can beat clg red
No. No. Stop the nightmare. No.
DEVIL, ~~Slemmy~~ Smithzz, Shara, Hunden, Summit
DEVIL, ~~Smithzz~~, m0E, Shara, Hunden, Summit
It's sad because summit is probably the most skilled player on that team....
Yeah. Why the fuck did he just run out looking at nothing during that 1v1?
Devil is liquids 6th player
I had hope after the first five rounds :(
hold me :(
[The JDM maneuver once again](http://imgur.com/ZReYYfh)
they said s1mple was NA's savior. little did they know it was _/DM
JDM was such a beast on the AWP.
he just won't let it happen
LIQUIDS GONNA WIN THE MAJOR BOIZ, NOT JUMPING THE GUN AT ALL HERE. EZ FOR //_ IQUID
not really relevant this time, they closed it out without problems
JDM went mental the last couple rounds though, he won't let that choke happen.
JDM was going mental pretty much that entire game, it was actually unreal. He didn't have a crazy amount of kills on T side but still had solid impact.
When they gave up the first frag to apex on the last round I almost shit myself lol
**LIQUIDATION SALE - ENVYTHING MUST GO!**
kio was the problem, envy are performing much better now that he's gone. The teamplay is on point and devil is undoubtedly the greatest IGL of all time
Devil has an almost legitimate argument for being Liquid's MVP this match.
Love the new Liquid with JDM.
JDM IS FAST AS FUCK
[when you 16-7 envyus](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DistantNeatGalapagospenguin-size_restricted.gif)
I LOVE YOU JDM!
im just sitting here and smiling, watching how jdm is rekin' kennyS. Liquid HYPE TRAIN BOYS, CHOO CHOO P.S. also Devil is beyond awful, i feel bad for the guy, but this is not acceptable. Whiffing mag7 shots and getting knifed, not checking left even tho he saw sots and enemy on the radar...
C H O WAIT A MINUTE
NV needs to change... everything. Devil is a problem, obviously, but not THE problem.
kio was the problem
http://i.imgur.com/iXNXpL6.png
I pick EnVyUs every time because of their past achievements and I get burned each time. Good. Shit.
So glad I picked liquid.
JDM just charging down popdog tilted nV and even more so did Eliges 1v3 clutch. YOU CAN'T GET TILTED IF YOU ARE ALREADY TILTED
NBK back on the balcony :(
at least he can cash out his winnings on csgo lotto
I just wanna thank Elige and JDM for signing to my ESL fantasy team. Proud of you guys.
i saw apex get the kill on jdm at 15-7 and thought to myself "it's happening again"
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So Envy out in groups and who will retire and who will replace Devil?
French shuffle v3 (definitely won't happen but we can speculate) -smithzz (to coach) +kenny Nbk, apex, happy to stay and +Ex6 +to1nou Devil back to T3
I highly doubt the -smithzz, regardless of how good of a choice it would be. I just feel like there's something he contributes that we can't see in the stats, and it would fuck up the team chemistry or something if he left.
This part does not show up in highlights...
Shox must have a massive dick that needs a sheath.
_/ pulling through
Devil is so bad. Envy can't win 4v5.
OK I admit it. JDM is godlike.
Master plan by Envy, bring in Devil to take the heat away from Happy. I left after the first half, Devil lost it and it was pretty much game over.
jdm > kennyS
https://m.popkey.co/451941/zJb4R.gif
Devil has no awareness in game.
http://imgur.com/cZyM2hL
Really well played by Liquid that game, Hiko and JDM (and Elige) went ham and it showed. Poor by Envy though, Kenny seemed to be the only one who turned up. Happy threw away that round dueling vs Hiko and it was all downhill from there.
http://i.imgur.com/2blFI3W.jpg
Devil worst professional player no contest.
I blame Tmartn
After seeing Envy get rolled and Faze beating Fnatic, this rings true more than ever... http://i.imgur.com/2blFI3W.jpg
they kicked kio... for devil... jesus christ.
[Stopping the choke before it began](http://imgur.com/ZReYYfh)
Balcony time.
NA BOIS!
Elige ace changed everything. Liquid needed this kind of performance
LIQUID HIT 16 ROUNDS
Oh my god Envy was so bad after their initial 5. The constant peeks that were unnecessary, taking fights in 1v1 situations where Liquid had the angle, and DEVIL...
That clean first 5 rounds kind of screwed Envy in a way. It got them to think they were on point and would be able to just bully Liquid, so once Liquid finally figured things out and started hitting their shots, it just threw Envy off completely.
Can we have a French shuffle please :(
the problem is that G2 is actuall really good and have no reason to change
Envy never fail to disappoint.
Can't believe i'm missing all of day 1, stupid vacation :( Anyway USA USA USA
happy and devil in that 1v2 legit lost them the game, so heart broken when s1mple's deagle was just chipping them down........... also elige with the ace and some shit team com coming in peeking him 1v1, THEN theres just devil running out like he's late to school or someshit
Fucking yessssssss.
Envy has to kick devil tbh
Lets be honest here guys Devil need to go ASAP, DUDE IS AWFUL
fuck /u/spez ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^0.3736 > [What is this?](https://pastebin.com/64GuVi2F/95868)
Jdm never whiffs!
DID THIS REALLY HAPPEN? LIQUID ARE YOU DONE DISAPPOINTING ME? THANKS, LOVE YOU LOTS. I'M DRINKING WATER RN IN YOUR HONOR.
JDM MANEUVER!
Jdm.. what a solid Awper. TL could do an old 3D when they had 2 world class awpers in their team basically rolled over teams. Well played Liquid!
I don't know if simple is just playing bad or if liquid improved that much so simple does not have to go nuts 24/7 and everyone in the team does their job...
Maybe you haven't noticed elige and JDM going nuts?
GO LIQUID! HIKO FOR PREZ!
There we go Liquid, yeee boi!
No choke gg
HOLY SHIT THEY GOT 16 ROUNDS. THIS IS NOT A DRILL
Liquid to win cologne ez
That 1v3 by Elige and the mistake by Devil in the same clutch, won Liquid the game.
I feel like they would've won anyways
Ya maybe but that was the turning point
I am happy
Devil just got Bob Ross'd
liquid getting 16 rounds on lan wtf?