DORN SNEAKING IN ON THE PRAETORIAN SUIT... AND HERE IT COMES!
HERE COMES THE **DORNIAN SUPLEX!**
^(Gotta say Joe, SnakeGrim not looking good after that one, but there goes the bell, now the big question is can he catch his breath? Erebus not looking like the best cornerman there...)
Naked clone fulgrim breaks into guilliman's room to ask wtf is going on and gets kicked in the dick resulting in 4 pages of him rolling on the ground groaning and trying to explain where he came from.
RG, after listening to the whole story of clone Fulgrim's creation, imprisonment and escape, "Interesting, but that really doesn't explain why you couldn't have put on some pants before you broke in here."
I can just imagine him “GULLIMAN WHAT THE HELL. WHAT HAPPENED I REMEMBER PICKING UP THIS WEIRD SWORD. WHERE THE HELL IS MY LEGION, OR FOR THAT MATTER HORUS, FERRUS OR ANY OF OUR OTHER BROTHERS.
20 minutes later: Fulgrim *Inconsolable sobbing*
Jokes aside would be hella emotional and good.
IIRC, part of the reason Fabulous Bill gave Clonegrim to Trazyn was that Clonegrim was already showing the same personality flaws that eventually doomed the original.
Wasn't that an excuse from Fabius because he saw how clonegrim was taking over his other creations by sheer charisma alone and even Bile was feeling like obeying his gene-father again ?
So he found himself an excuse to not break his ego and admit he isn't the super scientist that strive for perfection and want to create better humans but just a lunatic who can't let his creation out of his control to let them strive ?
I'm **pretty** sure the head of the friggin' Ynnari, who personally intervened to assist with undoing the damage from Guilliman's last encounter with Fulgrim, would have at least a few strongly worded questions about why the Slaaneshi daemon prince who previously laid her ~~boytoy~~ strategic ally low would suddenly be chummy with him.
I like to imagine Legion of the dammed Ferrous would show up and vouch for him... Mainly because clone Fulgrims existence would make daemon Fulgrim extremely mad.
Oh dear, now I’m imagining the scene, like Fulgrim just bursting the door, and being like “Guiliman, there’s not time to explain! I’ve finally escaped that Necron, but his forces are on their way as we speak. We gotta prepare ourselves and… wait, what the fuck is that Xenos doing here-AHHH, my Aquilla!”
Funny responses aside, (and Trazyn burning the galaxy to get his collectibles back), that's a tricky one. We don't really know how much of ascended Fulgrim's memories, and possible corruption, ended up being encoded down to the genetic level.
We don't know if there'd be some weird twin-souls stuff, like Alpharius-Omegon, that would drag them towards ascended Daemon Primarchgrim. Or if their hatred and repulsion towards 'Grim's corruption would keep them free of Warp Fuckery Influence.
I don't even know what they'd do; even if pure geneseed was used to clone-create a new Emp's Kiddos legion, would their obsession with aesthetic perfection (great band!) and pleasures of the senses mean they'll always be doomed to siding with the Dark Prince? How would the Imperium even react to a clonegrim showing up and being like "yo I'm like 30 days old and have the original's memories, but I promise I won't try to fuck Slaneesh this time around?"
I like to think that Clonegrim would make a deal with trazyn, I bring you the corrupted fulgrim and ill return when everything is done in the Imperium.
He then escapes while Trazyn stands there for a decade trying to compute if a mint condition replication is more valuable than a 'slightly damaged' original.
An unnamed being hinted at being a necron, gifted the Grey Knights with tesseract mazes some point after their founding to imprison demons. So it’s definitely plausible
Fabius Bile traded him to Trazyn because he knew about Chaos and was disgusted/horrified by it. The whole point of cloning Fulgrim was to get the III's primarch back, but he didn't account for the (lack of the) Laer Blade's corruption. So I think it's safe to say that Clonegrim would be extremely Loyalist if he got out of Trazyn's museum. Hell, he might have even learned a little humility from the shock!
Now, how the Imperium would respond is a whole 'nother story. It *might* (heavy emphasis on might) occur to Guilliman to try to capture him as a source of intelligence, but honestly I think he, Lion, and literally everyone else in the Imperium would shoot first and ask questions later. And let's be real, we'd probably make the same choice in their shoes, taking chances with a Primarch, daemon or not, is fucking insane.
I think a traitor Primarch coming back into the fold could make an interesting story, but I think it would be difficult to pull off.
Take that story way out go left field and have him pose as one of his brothers.
Make it real saucy and have him impersonate Manus. He can get the arms from the necrons, and in full armour who's to say? Who knew Manus better? Who's better at a performance? And what better way to try to atone for killing him?
Now there's a twist
The second the Iron Hands find out though, I think the White Scars would momentarily be considered “slow” from the speed the Iron Hands would go to kill him.
Interesting. I got a completely different interpretation. Fabulous Bill saw Clonegrim's dangerous power of charisma and persuasion, much like the original, and knew that he wasn't stable enough to lead a reborn legion into a new age. Just that whatever he impulsively did would destroy whatever was left of the Emp's Kiddos, even resurrected with pure gene stock.
Not disagreeing with you, just I took the tale of Clonegrim way differently in my head haha
>Interesting. I got a completely different interpretation. Fabulous Bill saw Clonegrim's dangerous power of charisma and persuasion, much like the original, and knew that he wasn't stable enough to lead a reborn legion into a new age. Just that whatever he impulsively did would destroy whatever was left of the Emp's Kiddos, even resurrected with pure gene stock.
Yea but that's **Fabius Bile** we are talking about. He's extremely narcissistic and self serving and he doesn't give a shit about the Emperor's Children,that was just his madman brain trying to justify his actions
Completely fair, and a really good point. More of he saw that he couldn't control his creation long-term and he'd lose any vestigial power he had over the surviving legion once Clonegrim took the reins?
He feared that Clonegrim would steal his new men creation since they all naturally gravitated towards Clonegrim since Clonegrim is a gorgeous charismatic primarch and Fabius Bile is Fabius Bile on top of everything else you mentioned
I say play round with it for a while. Mine the distrust and intrigue, then make a decision.
Personally I say go for a big showdown with Clonegrim proving his loyalty by beat down of daemongrim.
He at most remembers up to his ascension at minimum he remembers up to him getting the Laer blade. So he could very well be in for the worst news of his existence. Regardless he probably goes on a massive penance crusade, probably talks to Ferus’ ,Tarvitz’, Solomon’s etc. ghosts and has a showdown with demon-Fulgrim.
Guilliman: Halt fulgrim! what foul trickery is this, you come to me in your former Visage? For what? Some attempt to lull me into a false sense of security? To catch me off guard and strike when my back is turned?
Fulgrim, sobbing, rocking back and forth in a corner: FERRUS! IM SORRY FERRUS! I LOVE YOU BROTHER! PLEASE FORGIVE ME FERRUS!
*OR ALTERNATIVELY*
Guilliman: Halt fulgrim! what foul trickery is this, you come to me in your former Visage? For what? Some attempt to lull me into a false sense of security? To catch me off guard and strike when my back is turned?
Fulgrim, with a fury in his eyes that would make khorne blush, and having recovered forgebreaker and fireblade: GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY WAY BOBBY IVE GOT A DEAMON PRINCE TO KILL AND A BROTHER TO AVENGE
A short story about Trazyn "meeting" (read: teleporting inside his chambers) Guilliman and trying to sell him his Fulgrim in exchange for something even greater
I want to read that
Trazyn loved the heresy for the chances it gave him to collect and reproduce a lot of stuff, such as all the legions helmets and armor types in each 18 colors. Istvaan III, the siege of terra, he has reproductions of all that.
Im sure there are some valuable relics he would be able to trade for Clonegrim.
Sons of the Phoenix: now this may come as a shock because of how sneaky we were about hiding it but we are actually children of fulgrim and not dorn we know it's very shocking
If you package it that clones of daemonic primarchs can somehow pull free their "primarch essence" from the warp you would see an actual big storyline shift in 40k. Changes the game.
Man, honestly, if the perfect clone was the next primarch to return alongside the daemonic original getting a model that would be hype as shit.
What do I think would happen? He's most likely targeted by Grey Knights and at least one Ordo of the Inquisition, and is hunted down like Cyrus, acting as a rogue agent who just shows up at various points, kicks the ass of everyone not Imperium, and immediately fucks off when it's done.
What do I want to happen? I'd like for him to have a whole redemption arc where he eventually takes over as Primarch of the Iron Hands, especially with all the drama that entails.
Honestly with Clonegrim having his full memories and soul, somehow, I see the traitors just throwing everything at the wall to stop him from reaching Terra, kinda like they did with Gman.
Honestly its wild to me that Clonegrim exists and probably nothing will be done with him because the author intended him to be a oneshot character. Release my boy Trazyn, I beg you.
Clonegrim is this giant Chekov's gun and I have no idea if that was intentional. Why would GW keep him alive if they didn't plan to do something with him? But on the other hand, creating a big ol' story hook and then leaving it to rot *does* seem like something GW would do. Or maybe they did have plans, but those plans got nixed, and now they don't know what to do with the big fella? I'm over here like Charlie at the conspiracy board in IASIP.
I don't know how true it is but supposedly the author never intended him to come back. It's something I've heard more than a few times but can't seem to find the source now that I have to.
Which is something pretty GW but also a gigantic disappointment. Especially because seeing it get sent with Trazyn is kind of a heartbreaking scene, with how innocent he seemed to be (and that's without comparing him to Currentgrim). I feel like Clonegrim had the potential to be one of my favorite Primarchs, close to Adornable and Robby G.
Josh made him as a plot device for Bile, by rejecting him, Bile stands firmer in his views. After Josh left BL, and not in good terms, most writers just rather not take it, specially since I dont think they got much plans on the character either.
Plus from my brain being trope-rotten the first time I read I just saw that scene as setup for Fabulous going back and reclaiming his father/son. That's not very Warhammer, but it would have been cool.
My guess is that most we'll get is during another event like the last Black Crusade, Funny Necron will release him for a bit, he gets to regret how all the carnage around him is partly his fault, and gets caught again/has some epic sacrifice that gets him out of the story so people stop asking about the Loyalist Fulgrim.
But how can Clonegrim have the Fulgrim soul if the actual Fulgrim still exists?
I legit don't understand and can't come up with any justification.
Now if he had the Soul of Ferrus... That would be quote hilarious
Allegedly, the demon primarchs no longer have their souls. Which seems kinda dumb because those free(?) souls could then be put in a body again by Jimmy Space or something. I don't know how it works at this point.
Imagine this being the case, and the Gods scammed the primarchs, by not giving them power but unlocking the ones they have but not know about, like Corvus did
Not much would happen. Clonegrim would take five steps and then be crushed by a random Spacehulk crushing into the planet after the Orkz living on it lost control of their rokk.
In spite of both Fulgrim and the Space Hulk being completely eviscerated in the collision, miraculously, a single Gretchin will stumble out of the rubble to be immediately snatched by Trazyn who watched the whole thing unfold just as he was about to get his Fulgrim back.
He would probably rally the loyalist chapters of emperors children (death eagles, sons of the pheonix etc etc) and dedicate his life to avenging ferrus by destroying snakegrim and the emperors children, while also dodging the imperium who would absolutely put him to death and trayzen who would want to put him back in the zoo.
Idealy, if clonegrim comes around, you get a perfect taint free version and tainted version of all the primarchs. Chaos legions and chapters to match. 18 on 18 primarch War ensues, possible awesomeness. To fully explain, somehow through GW plot devices you get clonegrim, good horus, bad horus, good ferus bad ferrus, a bad girlymam, bad lion, good perturabo, good angron *nails redacted, good magpus, good morty, good lorgar, good and bad konrad heh rhyme, maybe good alpharius bad omegan or switch em, good and bag sangy- you get the idea, basically heresy round two but way bigger and higher stakes. (I wont lie i just want a loyal peter turbo cause im an IW nerd)
If i remember correctly, it was implied that clone Fulgrim still had the originals… sense of perfection. Fabius Bile thought that this Fulgrim would still end up the same. Fulgrim’s lust for perfection and his insecurity started long before he founded the Laer blade.
Ofcourse we know that Fulgrim was never meant to be traitor because the Laughing God swapped places him with the Khan. And even when he turned traitor and demonic, he regretted killing Ferrus Manus. But Fulgrim is still Fulgrim. I believe in the end, Fulgrim seeking perfection would still lead him to become corrupted. But not because any demonic influence. Its because the humanity itself. Why? Well…
He would feel very regretful and would go great lengths to redeem himself. His brother Primarchs would never trust him. The more he tried to prove himself, the more he becomes desperate which would result him doing some questionable thinks. Until he cracks, that is. And thats where Slaanesh comes in…
Its just my theory atleast
Fabius is also looking for any excuse to not fall in behind Fulgrim and reform the legion because of his new men. He’s really not an objective perspective with his copious amounts of daddy issues.
Honestly what about neither. What if we have a renegade primarch. What if seeing the errors of his former self and what has happened to the Imperium he tries to make Imperium 3 with himself as the emperor recruiting all the renegade but not chaos space marine chapter to join him.
I would hope he rises up in the scene but isn’t loyal to the Imperium. I think it would be nice if he can work through his regrets and reconcile with his brothers, but I just don’t like him being loyal again.
Oh, I would love this. I think it would be revealed that the Soul Drinkers are his loyal sons and their original chapter master (the one with the spider legs) would return to aid him in his quest to destroy Deamon Fulgrim. They would kill Lucius the Eternal to reclaim the sword that Ferrus made for Fulgrim and then they’re have a big climatic battle. Primaris Soul Drinkers with their long lost primarch verses whatever Emperor’s Children Demon Fulgrim could get. Meanwhile, the fulgrims would fight, and due to Fulgrim’s increased regeneration there body parts would be flying.
The Emperor’s Children and their Deamon Primarch would ultimately gain the upper hand, and the Deamon would linger over the clone, taking the moment to peacock and monologue. He would raise the clone up with one hand, talking about how he wil corrupt him as he was.
And then, from the perspective of the Fulgrims, in an instant the Clone would be falling to the ground, while the deamon flies off to the side, as if they had suffered a mighty blow.
The clone looks up, there is a burning warrior wielding a mighty hammer, and though their face is concealed by a helmet, but those hands of his, Fulgrim would recognize them anywhere.
A metal clad hand reaches down, and even though he needs no help up, he accepts the bring warrior’s hand and is brought up. Now, he sees that the Soul Drinkers have been reinforced by more burning warriors, smaller in size, but fighting with his men.
Then the Deamon rises up, growing, “You dare side with him and not me!” His says to the burning warrior.
But the burning warrior does not speak only readies his hammer in a familiar ready pose. And the Clone takes a complementary pose. 10,000 years separated the last time they had done this and this moment, yet, the familiarity is clear. And so, while a legion of those who were betrayed fight against their betrayers, two brothers fight a monster. In the end, it is not enough, not on it’s own, but then, the Clone notices something, the Deamon is slower on one side, and though he does not know it, the hand that cradled Rylanor is the one that is slower. And in a wordless way, he communicates that that the Burning Warrior and they take the upper hand.
After the battle is done, the deamon is not banished, but it’s pride shatters, just as it does.
There are no words passed between the Burning Warrior and the Clone, for the Warrior cannot speak, and the clone’s shame keeps him from saying anything. But the Warrior points to a star, a star the Palatine Phoenix recognizes as Sol, and he knows what he must do. As the burning warriors fade, the remaining soul drinkers are ordered to take Fulgrim to Terra, for his father’s judgment.
This is literally too great of a story for most 40k fans to not complain about it. I think the "everything must be grimdark all the time" mentality hurts us as a fanbase a lot.
Either he breaks out or Daemon Fulgrim invades Trazyn’s place and he’s just like “oh boy time for a mirror match” and releases CloneGrim to fight him while he records it for Necron Worldstar
Admittedly this would be likely cause “mah grimdark” but it’s implied Clonegrim actually has Fulgrim’s soul so it would be a big gamble to kill him. Even then it would have to be a dope duel regardless.
I think Orikan will be pretty happy. He is like the only person who is in position to free Clonegrim, so it would be his petty joke at Trazyn's expense.
If it is Guilliman of Johnson they might requests the The dread host to drag him before the Emperor to answer the question if the Shadowkeepers need to become acquainted.
Imagine Clonegrim fighting Fulgrim and getting consumed by rage and grief over Ferrus. He is still unstable fuck boy, so ... he falls to chaos again, but this time to Khorn! Khorn always in the mood to fuck up Slaanesh so he empowers him gladly. Clonegrim makes sushimi out his demon self. Then golden spirit of Ferrus appears and returns him to his senses. So Fulgrim changes humbled and forever ashamed. Knowing he can fall without any lear blades and true perfection is unattainable. Character development! Khorn doesn't mind not getting second primarch satisfied with battle itself and thwarting his rival just like with Grimnar and Magnus.
u/Hawtdawg65 has a pretty solid [answer](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/10hjjtp/ember_phoenix_chapter_i_my_fancomic_about_clone/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Be kinda dope if he took up with the Iron Hands, not sure how logical that would be. The idea of him taking up Ferrus's mantle and duking it out with daemon Fulgrim would be pretty swish.
This needs to fing happen. I want canon emperor's children loyalists and I want them now! They don't even have to be officially with the imperium. Just fighting for their interests as renegades.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Sons_of_the_Phoenix
Ignore the fact Cawl insists they’re Imperial Fists successors. It’s canonical that he created Primaris marines out of all twenty gene seed stocks.
The reason Fabius traded Fulgrim for the Geneseed was because he’s realized Fulgrim was too vulnerable to corruption, having already started down the same path as OG fulgrim
Can you melts stop making a big deal of a complete nonentity in the lore? Nothing will happen. He'll never be referenced again. He's stuck in Trazyn's museum forever.
Is just a what if mate, never said it will happen is just a funny thought like asking how the custodies woukd react if big E suddenly just moves to scratch his shoulder only to go back to sleep, is just something funny to talk about
I will say this. If the clonegrim storyline isn’t built upon when the EC gets a codex and Demon Fulgrim returns then he probably never will. However since EC are next on the list for CSM to get a coded it could be soon.
Clonegrim is a massive plot hook that is just sitting in his pokeball that I doubt GW has any plans for or even remembers they have. That said if you told them they could sell two Fulgrim models at the same time they might be all in.
I don’t agree with Fabius Bile’s assessment as he is Fabius Bile, additionally it was a awfully self serving and convenient assessment to make as getting rid of Clonegrim got him what he wanted, put him back in charge, and got him out of a situation.
I honestly don’t know what he would do. He could be a renegade, try to work with his brothers, go full vengeance mode etc
Trazyn: “ OOOOH!!! MY SHIT!!!”
And then kill himself for even referencing a form of fecal matter.
This is the way
This is the way
The fact that all Necrons have an borderline-hysterical aversion to feces is the funniest shit I’ve read in a while.
**FULGRIMBOWL** Two Fulgrims walk/slither in. Only one leaves.
Whats this? ITS THE GHOST OF FERRUS MANUS AND HES GOT A STEEL CHAIR!
HERE COMES CLONEGRIM FROM THE TOP ROPE ! OH THE HUMANITY !!!
WATCH OUT! WATCH OUT! WATCH OUT!!!
BAH THE GOD-EMPEROR, STOP THE MATCH! STOP THE DAMN MATCH!
DORN SNEAKING IN ON THE PRAETORIAN SUIT... AND HERE IT COMES! HERE COMES THE **DORNIAN SUPLEX!** ^(Gotta say Joe, SnakeGrim not looking good after that one, but there goes the bell, now the big question is can he catch his breath? Erebus not looking like the best cornerman there...)
Fuck this had me dying, if I had an award I’d give it to you
Necrodermus chair*
BAH GAWD SNAKEGRIMS BROKEN IN HALF!
STOP MY MECHATENDRILS CAN ONLY BE SO ERECT
GET THE TOASTERS!
One shall stand. One shall fall.
The ghost of Ferrus Manus haunts him and calls him weak, Clonegrim cries every time.
Ghost Nappa
Somebody get Alfabusa on this, with Team Four Star for the Nappa parts.
Shut up Nappa!
Fulgrim Get Slappa
You are weeeeeak Fulgrim! Weeeeeak!!
DA REAL FERRUS MANUS WOULD SAY DA OPPOSITE OF DAT, YA GHOSTFACE IDIOT.
*YESSS YEESSSS I DID IT, I AM BEST FORGE FATHER*
VULKAN LIVES
STOMP STOMP
He's a skull ghost, a skost.
A Skooost
Naked clone fulgrim breaks into guilliman's room to ask wtf is going on and gets kicked in the dick resulting in 4 pages of him rolling on the ground groaning and trying to explain where he came from.
RG, after listening to the whole story of clone Fulgrim's creation, imprisonment and escape, "Interesting, but that really doesn't explain why you couldn't have put on some pants before you broke in here."
Clone fulgrim "I just needed some breeze on my personal laer blade" Roboute "glad to see you are still a pervert"
”Fulgrim! You son of a bitch!” *biceps closeup*
who else but fulgrim
Where’s he gonna get primarch sized pants though?
He could grab some curtains or something to wrap himself up.
Same place he ever did, Pinky.
‘’I am 8 foot tall brother , pant this size are not common and do not come cheap’’
“These pants are like a cheap monastery brother.” “How so?” “No ballroom.”
I can just imagine him “GULLIMAN WHAT THE HELL. WHAT HAPPENED I REMEMBER PICKING UP THIS WEIRD SWORD. WHERE THE HELL IS MY LEGION, OR FOR THAT MATTER HORUS, FERRUS OR ANY OF OUR OTHER BROTHERS. 20 minutes later: Fulgrim *Inconsolable sobbing* Jokes aside would be hella emotional and good.
Clone Fulgrim is basically already past that point and has already had this moment.
IIRC, part of the reason Fabulous Bill gave Clonegrim to Trazyn was that Clonegrim was already showing the same personality flaws that eventually doomed the original.
Wasn't that an excuse from Fabius because he saw how clonegrim was taking over his other creations by sheer charisma alone and even Bile was feeling like obeying his gene-father again ? So he found himself an excuse to not break his ego and admit he isn't the super scientist that strive for perfection and want to create better humans but just a lunatic who can't let his creation out of his control to let them strive ?
Who would do the panic kicking? Guilliman or yvraine ?
Guilliman would probably just ultra-deck him, soo my bets are on Yvraine
Yvraine would not care much, just another big dude Big G would see a traitor, so Ultrasmash his Emperor's chil... erm his balls would make more sense
I'm **pretty** sure the head of the friggin' Ynnari, who personally intervened to assist with undoing the damage from Guilliman's last encounter with Fulgrim, would have at least a few strongly worded questions about why the Slaaneshi daemon prince who previously laid her ~~boytoy~~ strategic ally low would suddenly be chummy with him.
I feel like she would be able to tell that he's not a demon
she'd have to inspect him to be sure. bow chikka bow OH GOD IT'S AN INQUISITOR. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. NOOOOOOOOOOO
Yeah but for Yvraine the said Fulgrim is a giant Sneak man,not a regular blonde dude
Both at the same time. It's my Head canon now.
Guilliman punches, Yvraine kicks. Though it's more like stomping, tbh.
Kick, punch, it's all in the mind!
Yvriane kicks, Xbox achievement sound, new kink unlocked, two fulgrims
I like to imagine Legion of the dammed Ferrous would show up and vouch for him... Mainly because clone Fulgrims existence would make daemon Fulgrim extremely mad.
Oh dear, now I’m imagining the scene, like Fulgrim just bursting the door, and being like “Guiliman, there’s not time to explain! I’ve finally escaped that Necron, but his forces are on their way as we speak. We gotta prepare ourselves and… wait, what the fuck is that Xenos doing here-AHHH, my Aquilla!”
Then immediately swears himself to Slaanesh because boy did that torture feel sweet.
Funny responses aside, (and Trazyn burning the galaxy to get his collectibles back), that's a tricky one. We don't really know how much of ascended Fulgrim's memories, and possible corruption, ended up being encoded down to the genetic level. We don't know if there'd be some weird twin-souls stuff, like Alpharius-Omegon, that would drag them towards ascended Daemon Primarchgrim. Or if their hatred and repulsion towards 'Grim's corruption would keep them free of Warp Fuckery Influence. I don't even know what they'd do; even if pure geneseed was used to clone-create a new Emp's Kiddos legion, would their obsession with aesthetic perfection (great band!) and pleasures of the senses mean they'll always be doomed to siding with the Dark Prince? How would the Imperium even react to a clonegrim showing up and being like "yo I'm like 30 days old and have the original's memories, but I promise I won't try to fuck Slaneesh this time around?"
I like to think that Clonegrim would make a deal with trazyn, I bring you the corrupted fulgrim and ill return when everything is done in the Imperium.
Lol .Listen, trazym. My man. I'm merely the second edition. A ... collector such as yourself needs the first edition! I can help you with that..
He then escapes while Trazyn stands there for a decade trying to compute if a mint condition replication is more valuable than a 'slightly damaged' original.
"slightly damaged" is putting it lightly. _VERY_ lightly.
he starts mashing a manual calculator really loudly. for the views.
Is that dude even capable of “storing” demons in his collection?
An unnamed being hinted at being a necron, gifted the Grey Knights with tesseract mazes some point after their founding to imprison demons. So it’s definitely plausible
Ah, classic Imperium. "We hate xenos until they give us useful stuff"
“The Emperor thanks you… XENOS SCUM”
Probably already has several
Fabius Bile traded him to Trazyn because he knew about Chaos and was disgusted/horrified by it. The whole point of cloning Fulgrim was to get the III's primarch back, but he didn't account for the (lack of the) Laer Blade's corruption. So I think it's safe to say that Clonegrim would be extremely Loyalist if he got out of Trazyn's museum. Hell, he might have even learned a little humility from the shock! Now, how the Imperium would respond is a whole 'nother story. It *might* (heavy emphasis on might) occur to Guilliman to try to capture him as a source of intelligence, but honestly I think he, Lion, and literally everyone else in the Imperium would shoot first and ask questions later. And let's be real, we'd probably make the same choice in their shoes, taking chances with a Primarch, daemon or not, is fucking insane. I think a traitor Primarch coming back into the fold could make an interesting story, but I think it would be difficult to pull off.
Take that story way out go left field and have him pose as one of his brothers. Make it real saucy and have him impersonate Manus. He can get the arms from the necrons, and in full armour who's to say? Who knew Manus better? Who's better at a performance? And what better way to try to atone for killing him? Now there's a twist
The second the Iron Hands find out though, I think the White Scars would momentarily be considered “slow” from the speed the Iron Hands would go to kill him.
Hey Clonegrim can just hide under his replica of Ferrus' helmet and just say it's his new bionic head replacing the decapitated one.
Interesting. I got a completely different interpretation. Fabulous Bill saw Clonegrim's dangerous power of charisma and persuasion, much like the original, and knew that he wasn't stable enough to lead a reborn legion into a new age. Just that whatever he impulsively did would destroy whatever was left of the Emp's Kiddos, even resurrected with pure gene stock. Not disagreeing with you, just I took the tale of Clonegrim way differently in my head haha
>Interesting. I got a completely different interpretation. Fabulous Bill saw Clonegrim's dangerous power of charisma and persuasion, much like the original, and knew that he wasn't stable enough to lead a reborn legion into a new age. Just that whatever he impulsively did would destroy whatever was left of the Emp's Kiddos, even resurrected with pure gene stock. Yea but that's **Fabius Bile** we are talking about. He's extremely narcissistic and self serving and he doesn't give a shit about the Emperor's Children,that was just his madman brain trying to justify his actions
Completely fair, and a really good point. More of he saw that he couldn't control his creation long-term and he'd lose any vestigial power he had over the surviving legion once Clonegrim took the reins?
He feared that Clonegrim would steal his new men creation since they all naturally gravitated towards Clonegrim since Clonegrim is a gorgeous charismatic primarch and Fabius Bile is Fabius Bile on top of everything else you mentioned
I say play round with it for a while. Mine the distrust and intrigue, then make a decision. Personally I say go for a big showdown with Clonegrim proving his loyalty by beat down of daemongrim.
He at most remembers up to his ascension at minimum he remembers up to him getting the Laer blade. So he could very well be in for the worst news of his existence. Regardless he probably goes on a massive penance crusade, probably talks to Ferus’ ,Tarvitz’, Solomon’s etc. ghosts and has a showdown with demon-Fulgrim.
Guilliman: Halt fulgrim! what foul trickery is this, you come to me in your former Visage? For what? Some attempt to lull me into a false sense of security? To catch me off guard and strike when my back is turned? Fulgrim, sobbing, rocking back and forth in a corner: FERRUS! IM SORRY FERRUS! I LOVE YOU BROTHER! PLEASE FORGIVE ME FERRUS! *OR ALTERNATIVELY* Guilliman: Halt fulgrim! what foul trickery is this, you come to me in your former Visage? For what? Some attempt to lull me into a false sense of security? To catch me off guard and strike when my back is turned? Fulgrim, with a fury in his eyes that would make khorne blush, and having recovered forgebreaker and fireblade: GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY WAY BOBBY IVE GOT A DEAMON PRINCE TO KILL AND A BROTHER TO AVENGE
# 2 please
Seeing Fulgrim go mental like that would be awesome lmao
if it would end up being option two would the custodes help him? what would be big E's reaction to his son coming back, uncorrupted
>nd having recovered forgebreaker Good luck getting that thing out of Blood Ravens' hands.
He's a very determined pink boi
G man would have a fit, couldn't say about the Old Lionel, he seams to be in a very forgiving mood these days.
He’s in that current state where your dad just woke up and says yes to everything because his brain is still rebooting.
Hahaha, image for the ages, thanks :D
Enough with the smelly candles GW, we need that GW brand 'stop lion around' coffee. Black. No milk, surgar, or green highlights
Fulgrim would be K.O.S ironically being with Trazyn it's the safest he will ever be.
A short story about Trazyn "meeting" (read: teleporting inside his chambers) Guilliman and trying to sell him his Fulgrim in exchange for something even greater I want to read that
The Golden Throne for Fulgrim most likely
The emperor’s corpse is just left to sit on some random plastic chair they found
"Why are you sitting on a plastic chair father" "It comforts me, Guilliman"
It fits because both Vergil and Emps are terrible fathers.
Trazyn loved the heresy for the chances it gave him to collect and reproduce a lot of stuff, such as all the legions helmets and armor types in each 18 colors. Istvaan III, the siege of terra, he has reproductions of all that. Im sure there are some valuable relics he would be able to trade for Clonegrim.
Sons of the Phoenix: now this may come as a shock because of how sneaky we were about hiding it but we are actually children of fulgrim and not dorn we know it's very shocking
Clongrim: this... This I can work with
I see you’ve read the webcomic too.
What webcomic?
It’s an ongoing webcomic about what would happen if clonegrim returned and started leading the Sons Of The Phoenix
If you package it that clones of daemonic primarchs can somehow pull free their "primarch essence" from the warp you would see an actual big storyline shift in 40k. Changes the game. Man, honestly, if the perfect clone was the next primarch to return alongside the daemonic original getting a model that would be hype as shit.
With the EC being rumored to get an army it would be hilarious if the Fulgrim Demon Prince’s primarch showdown was against the Flugrim clone
There is a Chaos God of hype, actually...
Doesn’t clonegrim have the original soul while daemon Fulgrim is 100% the Slaanesh Daemon?
Probably OG Fulgrim would end killing him because that's soo grimdark
But then a different writer retcons that and makes the fulgrim clone win
Grimdark and lazily written. Sounds like GW
I cant wait to read it
What do I think would happen? He's most likely targeted by Grey Knights and at least one Ordo of the Inquisition, and is hunted down like Cyrus, acting as a rogue agent who just shows up at various points, kicks the ass of everyone not Imperium, and immediately fucks off when it's done. What do I want to happen? I'd like for him to have a whole redemption arc where he eventually takes over as Primarch of the Iron Hands, especially with all the drama that entails.
https://preview.redd.it/zgikxt9tmxya1.png?width=486&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f21d40ad9fa4bb7a466a2b2c8fb502f4167a0c68
Clonegrim would be lucky that the Lion is on a forgiving streak as of late.
https://i.imgur.com/3F0qYT8.jpg
Honestly with Clonegrim having his full memories and soul, somehow, I see the traitors just throwing everything at the wall to stop him from reaching Terra, kinda like they did with Gman. Honestly its wild to me that Clonegrim exists and probably nothing will be done with him because the author intended him to be a oneshot character. Release my boy Trazyn, I beg you.
Clonegrim is this giant Chekov's gun and I have no idea if that was intentional. Why would GW keep him alive if they didn't plan to do something with him? But on the other hand, creating a big ol' story hook and then leaving it to rot *does* seem like something GW would do. Or maybe they did have plans, but those plans got nixed, and now they don't know what to do with the big fella? I'm over here like Charlie at the conspiracy board in IASIP.
I don't know how true it is but supposedly the author never intended him to come back. It's something I've heard more than a few times but can't seem to find the source now that I have to. Which is something pretty GW but also a gigantic disappointment. Especially because seeing it get sent with Trazyn is kind of a heartbreaking scene, with how innocent he seemed to be (and that's without comparing him to Currentgrim). I feel like Clonegrim had the potential to be one of my favorite Primarchs, close to Adornable and Robby G.
Josh made him as a plot device for Bile, by rejecting him, Bile stands firmer in his views. After Josh left BL, and not in good terms, most writers just rather not take it, specially since I dont think they got much plans on the character either.
Plus from my brain being trope-rotten the first time I read I just saw that scene as setup for Fabulous going back and reclaiming his father/son. That's not very Warhammer, but it would have been cool. My guess is that most we'll get is during another event like the last Black Crusade, Funny Necron will release him for a bit, he gets to regret how all the carnage around him is partly his fault, and gets caught again/has some epic sacrifice that gets him out of the story so people stop asking about the Loyalist Fulgrim.
Probably look at what happened to himself and his legion and cry violently
I mean last time we saw him he was pretty silently murder machining his legion, tears definitively weren’t holding him back
Without his warp-soul he'll be just bigger marine
here is the thing he has that the other primarch clones didnt have it and have been useless but fulgrim clone had the soul
Oh, didn't knew that.In this case I'd say cowabunga it is!
Commas my dude!
Ironic.
Oh damn, really? Like, a full blown primarch soul? I'm going on a wiki dive, I have to know how this happened
Report back
Because current fulgrim is in a painting
Fulgrim got out of the painting. Snake Daddy is the OG Fulgrim.
But how can Clonegrim have the Fulgrim soul if the actual Fulgrim still exists? I legit don't understand and can't come up with any justification. Now if he had the Soul of Ferrus... That would be quote hilarious
Allegedly, the demon primarchs no longer have their souls. Which seems kinda dumb because those free(?) souls could then be put in a body again by Jimmy Space or something. I don't know how it works at this point.
Imagine this being the case, and the Gods scammed the primarchs, by not giving them power but unlocking the ones they have but not know about, like Corvus did
Not much would happen. Clonegrim would take five steps and then be crushed by a random Spacehulk crushing into the planet after the Orkz living on it lost control of their rokk. In spite of both Fulgrim and the Space Hulk being completely eviscerated in the collision, miraculously, a single Gretchin will stumble out of the rubble to be immediately snatched by Trazyn who watched the whole thing unfold just as he was about to get his Fulgrim back.
"Cant have shit anymore on the silent king"
Ferris Manis comes back as the second Angel primarch of the emperor followed close by A rebirth of Sanguinius
He would probably rally the loyalist chapters of emperors children (death eagles, sons of the pheonix etc etc) and dedicate his life to avenging ferrus by destroying snakegrim and the emperors children, while also dodging the imperium who would absolutely put him to death and trayzen who would want to put him back in the zoo.
Would the clone be Chaos aligned?
Fulgrim clone has no chaos taint.
Thanks, mate.
Idealy, if clonegrim comes around, you get a perfect taint free version and tainted version of all the primarchs. Chaos legions and chapters to match. 18 on 18 primarch War ensues, possible awesomeness. To fully explain, somehow through GW plot devices you get clonegrim, good horus, bad horus, good ferus bad ferrus, a bad girlymam, bad lion, good perturabo, good angron *nails redacted, good magpus, good morty, good lorgar, good and bad konrad heh rhyme, maybe good alpharius bad omegan or switch em, good and bag sangy- you get the idea, basically heresy round two but way bigger and higher stakes. (I wont lie i just want a loyal peter turbo cause im an IW nerd)
Bro that's me, but with Magnus
Chad shit
Can’t help but notice you didn’t mention a bad Dorn. I agree- it can’t possibly ever physically exist.
Cut myself off but yes bad dorn would theoretically happen in heresy 2 electric boogaloo
I was just poking fun since I’m an IF player. A normal Perty would be very cool to see though!
Based opinion, but! Iron cage
My WaLlS aRe JuSt As GoOd! /S
They arrrre!/j
Why not get the missing/lost Primarchs in there as well?
Great point, hell make em femme marines, crank that shit up to twelve
You *know* how the internet will act around a four meter tall, muscular woman with daddy issues
Exactly, gw makes bank we get a muscle mommy, win win
Based answer. Will her Astartes also be women?
Naturally
As they should be
Did you just call him PERFECT
It turns out the perfect Fulgrim was just Fulgrim not being a dick
Yep
If i remember correctly, it was implied that clone Fulgrim still had the originals… sense of perfection. Fabius Bile thought that this Fulgrim would still end up the same. Fulgrim’s lust for perfection and his insecurity started long before he founded the Laer blade. Ofcourse we know that Fulgrim was never meant to be traitor because the Laughing God swapped places him with the Khan. And even when he turned traitor and demonic, he regretted killing Ferrus Manus. But Fulgrim is still Fulgrim. I believe in the end, Fulgrim seeking perfection would still lead him to become corrupted. But not because any demonic influence. Its because the humanity itself. Why? Well… He would feel very regretful and would go great lengths to redeem himself. His brother Primarchs would never trust him. The more he tried to prove himself, the more he becomes desperate which would result him doing some questionable thinks. Until he cracks, that is. And thats where Slaanesh comes in… Its just my theory atleast
Fabius is also looking for any excuse to not fall in behind Fulgrim and reform the legion because of his new men. He’s really not an objective perspective with his copious amounts of daddy issues.
Honestly what about neither. What if we have a renegade primarch. What if seeing the errors of his former self and what has happened to the Imperium he tries to make Imperium 3 with himself as the emperor recruiting all the renegade but not chaos space marine chapter to join him.
Fulgrim would eat him, adding another arm set
I would hope he rises up in the scene but isn’t loyal to the Imperium. I think it would be nice if he can work through his regrets and reconcile with his brothers, but I just don’t like him being loyal again.
Grumpy necron noises.
99% of the Imperium would be like, "Who the fuck are you?" the Gray Knights, Inquisition, Guilliman and The Lion would be a bit concerned.
After defeating demon-primarch Fulgrim: > "dayum, that's a one nice sword right there"
Hype overload from the fans.
Oh, I would love this. I think it would be revealed that the Soul Drinkers are his loyal sons and their original chapter master (the one with the spider legs) would return to aid him in his quest to destroy Deamon Fulgrim. They would kill Lucius the Eternal to reclaim the sword that Ferrus made for Fulgrim and then they’re have a big climatic battle. Primaris Soul Drinkers with their long lost primarch verses whatever Emperor’s Children Demon Fulgrim could get. Meanwhile, the fulgrims would fight, and due to Fulgrim’s increased regeneration there body parts would be flying. The Emperor’s Children and their Deamon Primarch would ultimately gain the upper hand, and the Deamon would linger over the clone, taking the moment to peacock and monologue. He would raise the clone up with one hand, talking about how he wil corrupt him as he was. And then, from the perspective of the Fulgrims, in an instant the Clone would be falling to the ground, while the deamon flies off to the side, as if they had suffered a mighty blow. The clone looks up, there is a burning warrior wielding a mighty hammer, and though their face is concealed by a helmet, but those hands of his, Fulgrim would recognize them anywhere. A metal clad hand reaches down, and even though he needs no help up, he accepts the bring warrior’s hand and is brought up. Now, he sees that the Soul Drinkers have been reinforced by more burning warriors, smaller in size, but fighting with his men. Then the Deamon rises up, growing, “You dare side with him and not me!” His says to the burning warrior. But the burning warrior does not speak only readies his hammer in a familiar ready pose. And the Clone takes a complementary pose. 10,000 years separated the last time they had done this and this moment, yet, the familiarity is clear. And so, while a legion of those who were betrayed fight against their betrayers, two brothers fight a monster. In the end, it is not enough, not on it’s own, but then, the Clone notices something, the Deamon is slower on one side, and though he does not know it, the hand that cradled Rylanor is the one that is slower. And in a wordless way, he communicates that that the Burning Warrior and they take the upper hand. After the battle is done, the deamon is not banished, but it’s pride shatters, just as it does. There are no words passed between the Burning Warrior and the Clone, for the Warrior cannot speak, and the clone’s shame keeps him from saying anything. But the Warrior points to a star, a star the Palatine Phoenix recognizes as Sol, and he knows what he must do. As the burning warriors fade, the remaining soul drinkers are ordered to take Fulgrim to Terra, for his father’s judgment.
This is literally too great of a story for most 40k fans to not complain about it. I think the "everything must be grimdark all the time" mentality hurts us as a fanbase a lot.
He will never be welcome on Terra, loyal or not. He will have to make it on his own in the galaxy.
Either he breaks out or Daemon Fulgrim invades Trazyn’s place and he’s just like “oh boy time for a mirror match” and releases CloneGrim to fight him while he records it for Necron Worldstar
Daemon Fulgrim would kill him out of disgust for being a perfect clone of the old, imperfect Fulgrim.
Admittedly this would be likely cause “mah grimdark” but it’s implied Clonegrim actually has Fulgrim’s soul so it would be a big gamble to kill him. Even then it would have to be a dope duel regardless.
Confused Loyalist/Heretic screeching
Clone fulgrim and hopefully the last living krork get to have fun adventurers across 40k. Yeah I'm down.
I think Orikan will be pretty happy. He is like the only person who is in position to free Clonegrim, so it would be his petty joke at Trazyn's expense.
If it is Guilliman of Johnson they might requests the The dread host to drag him before the Emperor to answer the question if the Shadowkeepers need to become acquainted.
I like to think that Clonegrim would get up, find Perturabo, steal Forgebreaker back, find Realgrim, then slaughter his ass for what he did to Ferrus.
Imagine Clonegrim fighting Fulgrim and getting consumed by rage and grief over Ferrus. He is still unstable fuck boy, so ... he falls to chaos again, but this time to Khorn! Khorn always in the mood to fuck up Slaanesh so he empowers him gladly. Clonegrim makes sushimi out his demon self. Then golden spirit of Ferrus appears and returns him to his senses. So Fulgrim changes humbled and forever ashamed. Knowing he can fall without any lear blades and true perfection is unattainable. Character development! Khorn doesn't mind not getting second primarch satisfied with battle itself and thwarting his rival just like with Grimnar and Magnus.
u/Hawtdawg65 has a pretty solid [answer](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/10hjjtp/ember_phoenix_chapter_i_my_fancomic_about_clone/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Be kinda dope if he took up with the Iron Hands, not sure how logical that would be. The idea of him taking up Ferrus's mantle and duking it out with daemon Fulgrim would be pretty swish.
This should be the next primarch to return
Trazyn talking to his insurance company: "Does my policy cover property just walking away?"
"Oooh what's this sword here on the ground" part 2
I've said this 1000 times, Clonegrim was a plot device for the Fabius Bile books, and will never be seen or heard from again.
This needs to fing happen. I want canon emperor's children loyalists and I want them now! They don't even have to be officially with the imperium. Just fighting for their interests as renegades.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Sons_of_the_Phoenix Ignore the fact Cawl insists they’re Imperial Fists successors. It’s canonical that he created Primaris marines out of all twenty gene seed stocks.
The reason Fabius traded Fulgrim for the Geneseed was because he’s realized Fulgrim was too vulnerable to corruption, having already started down the same path as OG fulgrim
Fabius is also an egomaniacal madman who would make any excuse to stop someone from putting him in line.
I want it! I think it’d be awesome
I was not expecting that
id be so hyped!
Can you melts stop making a big deal of a complete nonentity in the lore? Nothing will happen. He'll never be referenced again. He's stuck in Trazyn's museum forever.
Is just a what if mate, never said it will happen is just a funny thought like asking how the custodies woukd react if big E suddenly just moves to scratch his shoulder only to go back to sleep, is just something funny to talk about
The only funny thing about this post is that you think Clonegrim has any relevance in the wider setting.
I don't know alot people seems to have found it funny, did you read the one about him appearing naked in front of guillie boy that was hilarious
I haven't man. I must be honest the ever present Primarch chat bores me to tears.
I will say this. If the clonegrim storyline isn’t built upon when the EC gets a codex and Demon Fulgrim returns then he probably never will. However since EC are next on the list for CSM to get a coded it could be soon.
Clonegrim is a massive plot hook that is just sitting in his pokeball that I doubt GW has any plans for or even remembers they have. That said if you told them they could sell two Fulgrim models at the same time they might be all in. I don’t agree with Fabius Bile’s assessment as he is Fabius Bile, additionally it was a awfully self serving and convenient assessment to make as getting rid of Clonegrim got him what he wanted, put him back in charge, and got him out of a situation. I honestly don’t know what he would do. He could be a renegade, try to work with his brothers, go full vengeance mode etc