at least here, it actually makes some sort of sense to bring up the offside and pen since he's playing against the team that the incident happened against
Part of me wants arteta just to mention the penalty that was overturned and say about how it was later said it should have been given, but I doubt he thinks about that game as much as ETH
Noo. He only did it like 10 times since the incident. People are making too much out of a simple complaint. Every manager is allowed to complain about something (that happened only in their brain) for atleast 8 months.
More importantly the Club and the players want the team to win even if the idiot fans want them to throw the game. How many of the players in their starting lineup are Academy grads who live and bleed for the team? Not a single one. They're not going to throw the game because their livelihoods are at stake.
Every place up the table gets them a bit more money in the PL. There's also that sweet sweet European money to be had. Barring a Villa collapse, Spurs still have Europa League to play for. That means money for the club and the players.
Do they?Ā
They usually grab some points off of them. Just last year they beat them 2-1, no? Think a couple of years ago they beat them 2-0 at the Etihad as well
A matter of time before heās snapped up by a more prestigious team. Bournemouth were really good at times. And they came to play, not just sit deep in their own box.
Most exciting? Iād go far enough to say they are the next gen to beat.
Arteta will most likely go to Barca at one point. Alonsoās next step could Madrid. Those battles will be amazing.
His kids will grow up at some point, no?
I don't think Barca is in his near future for sure, but managers like Arsene or Fergie who stay 20-30 years at one club are extremely rare in this era.
I suspect at some point he'll take a sabbatical like Zidane and then after a couple years he'll look to return to managing.
I totally agree with you mate, it's highly unlikely Mikel spends his entire managerial career at Arsenal. I just hope we've got a few more years here.
To be honest, got Mikel to keep developing as a manager it would make sense for him to go to another club at some point. A new challenge.
Only after he's won everything here, of course.
I seriously doubt it. Most of his big moments in his playing days have been in Scotland and England. Spanish fans don't even know him that well either since he's never had a chance at international level. Only this season after making the champions league are Spanish fans really starting to notice what he's doing. I'm sure Barca would want Arteta but I really doubt that's ever gonna happen.
He's gonna be at Arsenal for long time at this rate. And if he leaves he'll still probably stay in England. Besides that I don't think he really has that much of a bond at Barca. Much of the good stuff he's done with improving the culture at The Arsenal has been because he loves The Arsenal with all his heart. That can't be understated. I can see him going back to Basque one day though.
First half was as one sided as it gets. We completely dominated them and they were putting 9-10 players in the box for most of it. If we hadnāt gotten that penalty, they might have kept it up as the gameplan seemed to be working for them. Second half they actually used their counter attacking options and came to play, like you said.
Itās honestly very respectful too. Coz you will find rational people who donāt agree with the penalty and disallowing the goal.
Still he doesnāt whine about that being the only reason they lost.
I think both positions are completely understandable. Havertz dragged his foot. The contact on Raya was soft. I think whatever was called on the field would've stood either way on both.
I think it's perfectly fine to call these out like he did. Acknowledging we deserved the win gives it way more credibility imo. More criticism of the reffing process is a good thing.
He is also not wrong imo. Penalty is harsh but within the rules and the goal should have stood. However Senesi should have seen red. Coote and especially VAR have had a shocker, pathetic display by all of them
> Coote
Did he? I didn't think he was that bad. VAR, yes, but I could see many of his decisions. Of course not all will be perfect but in the grand things was pretty okayish
I think the ref had a few lineball calls that he probably got wrong, but weirdly I don't think he had a shocker.Ā
I do think VAR did though.Ā
And I don't know how to justify that difference in opinions.Ā
I don't think VAR should've intervened in any situation but I might be biased. even the red card wasn't clear and obvoius for me but agruably a red. Its more about the amount of time they wasted just to decide to not intervene anyway. felt like they had the best angle at the start on raya with the slight hook on the arm by Solanke then they proceded to watch a bunch of other angles over and over for what felt like a few minutes.
I think they were also trying to decide if there was another foul happening at the same time. I really don't think there was enough contact on Raya for that to be a foul, but with the 'clear and obvious error' clause there's just so much room for interpretation. Maybe it's more the implementation of VAR that I'm objection to than its use in this case, idk.Ā
I mean we did completely dominated then in that first half and only after our chances in 2nd half we scored but that antiguoko connection probably has something too
Liverpool fans have to make everything about them.
r soccer is filled with comparisons of the Christie red to Eliott and Macallister.
While the usual Manc cunts go āred if it were Casemiroā even though heās only ever had one red for a tackle.
Their subreddit is seething right now that we won. It's so weird. Apparently arsenal and arteta are cheats and we have the worst fans.
Now I won't disagree some of our online fans are twats with horrible takes but who's aren't?
I'd be cheering for liverpool right now if our positions were reversed. Strange bunch
some of them still keep mentioning that odegaard handball as if he did it on purpose. Your stadium field slippy as fuck, deal with it.
what a fucking delusional
this is actually why i don't cheer for them. i don't care about city's asterisk wins, and their true fans generally seem sound and mind their business. liverpool fans are just mawkish and think they invented everything seemingly.
the 2013/14 run in listening to drury and beglin week in-week out was just utterly nauseating.
I played a lot of soccer when I was a kid and loved the game. I randomly came across an Arsenal game on TV during their Invincibles season and was amazed by them. I decided they'd be my team and have stuck with them ever since.
You can disagree with the rules, but that's a penalty. Strikers take advantage of it all the time and it's smart play.
For the disallowed goal, everyone knows goalkeepers get protected by the ref. The guy pushing him needs to take notes from Ben White on how do disrupt a goalie without actually fouling them.
The thing in the foul - itās soft, but itās consistent with other decisions. Itās always soft on keepers.
Also Solanke has no intention of playing the ball and only interrupting Raya - easy to call it a foul given context
Thatās the most disappointing part for me. We probably put in the best first half performance of any team this season and deserved to win without those decisions, but thatās all going to be overshadowed.
Eh, itāll only be overshadowed for people who put too much stock in things like that. We deserved to win and we won. Those calls go the same way for other teams all the time, so just shut out the noise and enjoy the win.
At this point of the season 3 points is all that matters, nothing overshadows us being on the top of the table and City needing to win every game.
Media just wants more things to talk about and rival fans will always find something to put other teams down, but they wish they were us. There are United fans trying to mock us about how we lost to "the worst Bayern team in a decade" while they finished bottom of a CL group with Copenhagen and Gala and are almost 30 points behind us in the league..
The pen decision was spot on as per the rules of the game. Nowhere is it said that the attacking player should jump over the extended leg of the keeper. The onus is on the keeper to get the timing of his tackle right. Strikers have been doing this for a long time and I don't think it's been this controversial.
The only argument I could say for the disallowed Bournemouth goal is that the striker initiates the contact with Raya and unbalanced him before he even touched the ball. Keepers are way more protected and the referees must have taken that into account. With all that said to me , it looked like an incredibly weak call.
The challenge in saka boggles my mind. He went in studs up, way too high. He also catches saka on this foot. Clear red card.
Iraola has been absolutely class even in his replies , it's okay for managers to complain about the referees decision as long as they don't make it the sole reason that their team lost. Especially when the opponents were clearly the better side.a
I think it was a pen but I donāt think itās delusional to question it. Itās a fair discussion whether leaving your foot out for contact should or shouldnāt be a penalty, and Travers catching him happens because Havertz drags his foot.
Personally I think if a defender commits to a challenge, and moves into the attacking players lane, and youāre able to draw contact it should be a pen as youāre taking advantage of poor timing/decision making but itās completely fair to argue against that in the sense that itās somewhat of a con. Havertz 100% bought it
It's not even soft. It's just a straightforward penalty. People overanalysing whether Kai was running "naturally". Where in the rules does it say how a player should run "naturally"? People finding excuses to say it's not a penalty even though strikers have been doing that for ages. But as always, it's only a problem if Arsenal does it.
I'm glad someone said it. It isn't illegal to drag your toes. It is illegal to wipe someone out while not coming close to the ball.
On the other hand, the foul on the Bournemouth goal was soft as shit. Raya needs to be stronger, and if Arteta was half as principled as he pretended he was at the start of the season Ramsdale would start against United.
Idk, that's a foul on raya every day of the week and twice on sundays. The bournemouth player wasnt standing his ground, he saw raya going to get the ball and shoved him out of the way.
I don't want that kind of thing to be a penalty. It's been given against us, for example Kane in 2016/17 at theirs and Vardy at home in 15/16, and it shouldn't be given, no.
As there's contact, it's never going to be overturned, but leaving your trailing leg to get some kind of contact shouldn't be a pen and is equivalent to diving for me.
You're misunderstanding. It's not the attacker's responsibility to dodge fouls that come at them, and it never has been (until Saka vs Bayern apparently, but that view was being promoted by racists). It is the defender's responsibility to not foul.
These guys have a hard enough time differentiating between a straight red and a simple foul, you really think theyāre capable of doing anything beyond their direct job description?
Playback everything in slow motion,the context changes. In realtime speed, its a penalty. . Referees should play all possible fouls at realtime speed from various angles. Then let everyone decide, about what they feel.
Iraola is class. What he has done with Bournemouth is incredible. Next season with a bit of investment and backing, I honestly believe he can get them into a European competition.
"...and we should have been playing with 10 men for 80 minutes" if he wants to earn my respect.
(I respect him already, but that still would have been nice. I can only assume he means Big Gabi's disallowed goal, because the one at the other end was the easiest decision Coote had all day.)
Tbf, Bournemouth did much better in the 2nd half and really brought the pressure to us. Iraola has worked wonders with Bournemouth, and I hope it gets better for them.
I love and respect managers who speak like this. As a fan I also try my best to be rational in moments like these.
We were two classes above them in the first half, and in the second half although they were threatening, we were still a class above
This needs to happen more often. I love that Iraola came out in front of it instead of letting the media ran rampant. Very professional and Bournemouth actual ball.
Both decisions were dodgy but heās basically correct. We were the much better team and had the superior chances. If our players were more clinically (Odegaard, Martinelli, Saka) it could have been 5 or 6 nil.
Spaniards check the possession numbers after that much and that tells them who deserved to win, fair (I realize in general we played much much better than them)Ā
I've got to say, early in the season I thought this guy was out of his depth and one of those managers that would be sacked and forgotten about by January
He's actually done a great job so far
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Heās right agree. Pen was soft and their goal shouldāve stood but the result isnāt unfair we should have had five in the first thirty minutes we battered them.
So you want goalkeepers to be untouchable? Itās a contact sport. I guess weāll have to agree to disagree but thatās ridiculously soft in my books. If someone holds my arm and Iām still able to punch the ball cleanly 10 feet in the air, then I wouldnāt think Iāve been been impeded much. Keeper needs to be stronger there. If itās a foul game is unironically gone.
Never said that. Keepers are generally overly protected, yes. But where there is clear impedmenet, like there was here, it should be called every time.
You realise the reason he wasnāt able to catch the ball was because of the shoulder, right? He got bumped thatās why he didnāt claim it. Like the hook on the arm didnāt impede his use of that arm at all. He literally made a clean punch with that same arm. If an action that doesnāt prevent you using that arm comfortably is considered impeding then any action on a goalkeeper is pretty much impediment
Pen is 50/50 but since it was called by the ref it wasnāt going to be reversed. Obviously Iraolaās going to say it wasnāt a pen though, Arteta would say the same if the situation was reversed.
Get ready for 10 hag next week. Gonna be an explosive interview.
Who wants to bet he brings up the Hojlund penalty without being asked?
Would be funny if no journalist asks for it deliberately while he is desperate to talk about it.
"will garnacho disallowed goal on 2023 change today result?" ten hag : "yeah definitely"
Pre match conference I bet - "We want revenge on them. We were robbed at the Emirates. Never offside and should have had a penalty"
at least here, it actually makes some sort of sense to bring up the offside and pen since he's playing against the team that the incident happened against
Part of me wants arteta just to mention the penalty that was overturned and say about how it was later said it should have been given, but I doubt he thinks about that game as much as ETH
Noo. He only did it like 10 times since the incident. People are making too much out of a simple complaint. Every manager is allowed to complain about something (that happened only in their brain) for atleast 8 months.
No! No. 6 is enough.
This one always cracks me up š¤£
Tbf if there is a time to bring it up and talk about it, it's before the reverse fixture.
He probably will speak about it in the prematch press conference
Aren't they going to throw the game to prevent City from winning the title, or am I confusing them with a bunch of cocks?
Spurs vs City might be the weirdest game, where fans of a lot of clubs want Spurs to win but fans of Spurs want Spurs to lose.
More importantly the Club and the players want the team to win even if the idiot fans want them to throw the game. How many of the players in their starting lineup are Academy grads who live and bleed for the team? Not a single one. They're not going to throw the game because their livelihoods are at stake. Every place up the table gets them a bit more money in the PL. There's also that sweet sweet European money to be had. Barring a Villa collapse, Spurs still have Europa League to play for. That means money for the club and the players.
United throws it back for city every year pretty much so doubt it.
Do they?Ā They usually grab some points off of them. Just last year they beat them 2-1, no? Think a couple of years ago they beat them 2-0 at the Etihad as well
If we win 8-0 as I predict I think he will praise us
Weāre going to make him even more bald
Who cares about bald hag he's irrelevant he sit in kiddie table while arsenal is big deal
God, I want us to batter them so bad that when he makes his weekly "Against Arsenal" speech it's going to sound even more ridiculous.
10 Excuses
A matter of time before heās snapped up by a more prestigious team. Bournemouth were really good at times. And they came to play, not just sit deep in their own box.
Basque boys rise up. West Ham should go for him instead of wasting time. He's pl experienced already.Ā
It feels surreal that Arteta, Iraola and Alonso know each other since very young age and now are some of the most exciting young managers in the world
Kinda like the moment in the 90s/early 00s when the league was full of Glaswegian managers
Most exciting? Iād go far enough to say they are the next gen to beat. Arteta will most likely go to Barca at one point. Alonsoās next step could Madrid. Those battles will be amazing.
Arteta not goin to barca bro
Not soon but later on. Iām sure heās going to make some moves. We canāt expect him to stick around until old age like AW.
Heās been in London for years and has young kids. So good chance heās around for a good while yet.
His kids will grow up at some point, no? I don't think Barca is in his near future for sure, but managers like Arsene or Fergie who stay 20-30 years at one club are extremely rare in this era. I suspect at some point he'll take a sabbatical like Zidane and then after a couple years he'll look to return to managing.
A nuanced take in this subreddit? Donāt waste your time mate, but I agree with you.
That's not nuance, he's guessing
I totally agree with you mate, it's highly unlikely Mikel spends his entire managerial career at Arsenal. I just hope we've got a few more years here. To be honest, got Mikel to keep developing as a manager it would make sense for him to go to another club at some point. A new challenge. Only after he's won everything here, of course.
Okay then
I seriously doubt it. Most of his big moments in his playing days have been in Scotland and England. Spanish fans don't even know him that well either since he's never had a chance at international level. Only this season after making the champions league are Spanish fans really starting to notice what he's doing. I'm sure Barca would want Arteta but I really doubt that's ever gonna happen. He's gonna be at Arsenal for long time at this rate. And if he leaves he'll still probably stay in England. Besides that I don't think he really has that much of a bond at Barca. Much of the good stuff he's done with improving the culture at The Arsenal has been because he loves The Arsenal with all his heart. That can't be understated. I can see him going back to Basque one day though.
>if he leaves he'll still probably stay in England š¤Ø
Said this to my brother during the game. Bournemouth since Nov have been the fifth best team in the league.Ā
Yeah and he's part of the triumvirate!
First half was as one sided as it gets. We completely dominated them and they were putting 9-10 players in the box for most of it. If we hadnāt gotten that penalty, they might have kept it up as the gameplan seemed to be working for them. Second half they actually used their counter attacking options and came to play, like you said.
Fair fucks, itās an honest response
Itās honestly very respectful too. Coz you will find rational people who donāt agree with the penalty and disallowing the goal. Still he doesnāt whine about that being the only reason they lost.
I think both positions are completely understandable. Havertz dragged his foot. The contact on Raya was soft. I think whatever was called on the field would've stood either way on both. I think it's perfectly fine to call these out like he did. Acknowledging we deserved the win gives it way more credibility imo. More criticism of the reffing process is a good thing.
The contact on Raya shouldnāt have happened because tomiyasu got fouled on the clearance. Thatās why it went straight up instead of out of the box
He is also not wrong imo. Penalty is harsh but within the rules and the goal should have stood. However Senesi should have seen red. Coote and especially VAR have had a shocker, pathetic display by all of them
Ryan Christie should definitely have been sent off for the foul on Saka too
I didn't see most of the 2nd half, do you remember when the Senesi one happened? (Or did you confuse him with Christie?)
My bad mate
> Coote Did he? I didn't think he was that bad. VAR, yes, but I could see many of his decisions. Of course not all will be perfect but in the grand things was pretty okayish
I think the ref had a few lineball calls that he probably got wrong, but weirdly I don't think he had a shocker.Ā I do think VAR did though.Ā And I don't know how to justify that difference in opinions.Ā
I don't think VAR should've intervened in any situation but I might be biased. even the red card wasn't clear and obvoius for me but agruably a red. Its more about the amount of time they wasted just to decide to not intervene anyway. felt like they had the best angle at the start on raya with the slight hook on the arm by Solanke then they proceded to watch a bunch of other angles over and over for what felt like a few minutes.
I think they were also trying to decide if there was another foul happening at the same time. I really don't think there was enough contact on Raya for that to be a foul, but with the 'clear and obvious error' clause there's just so much room for interpretation. Maybe it's more the implementation of VAR that I'm objection to than its use in this case, idk.Ā
Arteta childhood friend a real one š¤
Just like we don't disagree with Cristie not seeing red. Props to him and his team though. Seems like a nice guy and a great coach.
> we don't disagree with Cristie not seeing red I think you have one too many negatives in that sentence
Haha you're not incorrect.
Classy. I do wonder if he's being extra nice because Arteta is a good friend of his.Ā
I mean we did completely dominated then in that first half and only after our chances in 2nd half we scored but that antiguoko connection probably has something too
No but Dan the Liverpool fan from North Dakota said the ref gifted Arsenal 3 points and we should've lost
I donāt know why Liverpool fans have their panties in such a bunch itās not like our results affect them anyway.
Liverpool fans have to make everything about them. r soccer is filled with comparisons of the Christie red to Eliott and Macallister. While the usual Manc cunts go āred if it were Casemiroā even though heās only ever had one red for a tackle.
Their subreddit is seething right now that we won. It's so weird. Apparently arsenal and arteta are cheats and we have the worst fans. Now I won't disagree some of our online fans are twats with horrible takes but who's aren't? I'd be cheering for liverpool right now if our positions were reversed. Strange bunch
some of them still keep mentioning that odegaard handball as if he did it on purpose. Your stadium field slippy as fuck, deal with it. what a fucking delusional
Itās funny how they didnāt give a fuck when a decision benefited them and hurt Nottingham, awarding them 3 points.
this is actually why i don't cheer for them. i don't care about city's asterisk wins, and their true fans generally seem sound and mind their business. liverpool fans are just mawkish and think they invented everything seemingly. the 2013/14 run in listening to drury and beglin week in-week out was just utterly nauseating.
Itās so embarrassing how hard they are twerking for the cheats that robbed them from the Prem multiple times in dramatic and humiliating ways
North Dakota rn https://preview.redd.it/0gz4bm2unfyc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48a4df24fb0567916ad7010b51f7da7fe4434bd9
As an Arsenal fan from North Dakota I'm not sure how to feel right now.
Curious, how did your Arsenal journey come about?Ā
I played a lot of soccer when I was a kid and loved the game. I randomly came across an Arsenal game on TV during their Invincibles season and was amazed by them. I decided they'd be my team and have stuck with them ever since.
Im really curious to know too. Do they have tv and internet in North Dakota
Save the sarcasmĀ
> Dan the Liverpool fan from North Dakota lmfao
South Dakota clears as the best Dakota. It's the one less shaped like a rectangle.
Put some respect on North Dakota. Itās the birthplace of Liverpool fandom.
Piss off Dan
Damn, of it's said by Dan the Liverpool fan then we should ask PL to deduct our points from the match.
I mean, they also deserved to play 80 mins with 10 men but here we are
You can disagree with the rules, but that's a penalty. Strikers take advantage of it all the time and it's smart play. For the disallowed goal, everyone knows goalkeepers get protected by the ref. The guy pushing him needs to take notes from Ben White on how do disrupt a goalie without actually fouling them.
Funny enough we got our goal disallowed last season too when White hold GK armā¦
The thing in the foul - itās soft, but itās consistent with other decisions. Itās always soft on keepers. Also Solanke has no intention of playing the ball and only interrupting Raya - easy to call it a foul given context
Tomiyasu got fouled before Raya anyway
If only Solanke wouldnāt have so obviously looked at Raya and decided to push him. Yes, itās light, but itās a foul.
Thatās the most disappointing part for me. We probably put in the best first half performance of any team this season and deserved to win without those decisions, but thatās all going to be overshadowed.
Eh, itāll only be overshadowed for people who put too much stock in things like that. We deserved to win and we won. Those calls go the same way for other teams all the time, so just shut out the noise and enjoy the win.
At this point of the season 3 points is all that matters, nothing overshadows us being on the top of the table and City needing to win every game. Media just wants more things to talk about and rival fans will always find something to put other teams down, but they wish they were us. There are United fans trying to mock us about how we lost to "the worst Bayern team in a decade" while they finished bottom of a CL group with Copenhagen and Gala and are almost 30 points behind us in the league..
Glad he agrees about the disallowed goal, Gabriel deserved to be on the scoresheet with that hit
Classy response. Hope Bournemouth can start moving towards European positions. Imagine if they got a Conference League next season.
Finally someone who DOESN'T mention that his player deserves a penalty
Fair play to him. He's done really well with Bournemouth after a shaky start with them. Didn't think he'd last too long after his first month or 2
The pen decision was spot on as per the rules of the game. Nowhere is it said that the attacking player should jump over the extended leg of the keeper. The onus is on the keeper to get the timing of his tackle right. Strikers have been doing this for a long time and I don't think it's been this controversial. The only argument I could say for the disallowed Bournemouth goal is that the striker initiates the contact with Raya and unbalanced him before he even touched the ball. Keepers are way more protected and the referees must have taken that into account. With all that said to me , it looked like an incredibly weak call. The challenge in saka boggles my mind. He went in studs up, way too high. He also catches saka on this foot. Clear red card. Iraola has been absolutely class even in his replies , it's okay for managers to complain about the referees decision as long as they don't make it the sole reason that their team lost. Especially when the opponents were clearly the better side.a
I like him a lot as a manager
Now THAT ladies and gentlemen is class.
He's right on all counts tbf.
You are delusional if you think Kaiās was not a pen. Clear as day catches his foot after being rounded
I think it was a pen but I donāt think itās delusional to question it. Itās a fair discussion whether leaving your foot out for contact should or shouldnāt be a penalty, and Travers catching him happens because Havertz drags his foot. Personally I think if a defender commits to a challenge, and moves into the attacking players lane, and youāre able to draw contact it should be a pen as youāre taking advantage of poor timing/decision making but itās completely fair to argue against that in the sense that itās somewhat of a con. Havertz 100% bought it
Yeah, I'd say it was soft but it's a penalty.
It's not even soft. It's just a straightforward penalty. People overanalysing whether Kai was running "naturally". Where in the rules does it say how a player should run "naturally"? People finding excuses to say it's not a penalty even though strikers have been doing that for ages. But as always, it's only a problem if Arsenal does it.
Fair enough, good explanation š
I'm glad someone said it. It isn't illegal to drag your toes. It is illegal to wipe someone out while not coming close to the ball. On the other hand, the foul on the Bournemouth goal was soft as shit. Raya needs to be stronger, and if Arteta was half as principled as he pretended he was at the start of the season Ramsdale would start against United.
Idk, that's a foul on raya every day of the week and twice on sundays. The bournemouth player wasnt standing his ground, he saw raya going to get the ball and shoved him out of the way.
I don't want that kind of thing to be a penalty. It's been given against us, for example Kane in 2016/17 at theirs and Vardy at home in 15/16, and it shouldn't be given, no. As there's contact, it's never going to be overturned, but leaving your trailing leg to get some kind of contact shouldn't be a pen and is equivalent to diving for me.
Tbf itās on the keeper to stop his movement when he knows he has no chance of catching the ballā¦
A millisecond of trailing your leg vs sliding in and missing the ball completely. Itās like 90% penalty, we gotta call that
Exactly: itās been given against us time and time again. In what world would we not also take it while the rules are currently written as they are?
Heās not exactly suggesting replaying the game like Wenger against Sheffield United is he?Ā
I'm not saying we shouldn't take it. We absolutely shouldn't take advantage of it. I'm just saying I don't think it should be a pen
Lol ok
You don't get to slide into a challenge, completely miss the ball, catch the attacker's leg and get away with it.
Only caught the attackers leg because the attacker left it deliberately to get caught
So an attacker has an obligation to jump over a defender who comes sliding in recklessly for a challenge?
I mean they try to do that anyway, so that's not the same thing
So unless an attacker actively tries to avoid contact, it's a dive and a foul/penalty shouldn't be given?
If you're jumping over a tackle, what are you trying to do there if not avoid contact?
You're misunderstanding. It's not the attacker's responsibility to dodge fouls that come at them, and it never has been (until Saka vs Bayern apparently, but that view was being promoted by racists). It is the defender's responsibility to not foul.
100% dragged leg should be a VAR allowed reversal and yellow. VAR should be watching the game for this stuff and stamping it out
These guys have a hard enough time differentiating between a straight red and a simple foul, you really think theyāre capable of doing anything beyond their direct job description?
I said should
A yellow card? Are you kidding me? Lol. Who's going to decide what constitutes running naturally?
Just realized what sub I'm in and the context. Nevermind, arsenal is thr best hurr durr
Wait, you think people should get yellow cards because you don't like the way they run? This might actually be the dumbest take I've heard so far.
He's dragging his leg for contact. Take the red tinted glasses off it's just a modern flavor of diving in thr VAR era
Playback everything in slow motion,the context changes. In realtime speed, its a penalty. . Referees should play all possible fouls at realtime speed from various angles. Then let everyone decide, about what they feel.
Nah, I hate to see those given tbh. And I'm one who genuinely thinks Saka vs Bayern was a penalty and Kulusevski vs us should be a pen
always rated him
Iraola is class. What he has done with Bournemouth is incredible. Next season with a bit of investment and backing, I honestly believe he can get them into a European competition.
Fair comments
Fair comment I think
They played well in fairness.
Reasonable opinions both. I think they were all controversial decisions but we were still so much better.
"...and we should have been playing with 10 men for 80 minutes" if he wants to earn my respect. (I respect him already, but that still would have been nice. I can only assume he means Big Gabi's disallowed goal, because the one at the other end was the easiest decision Coote had all day.)
Tbf, Bournemouth did much better in the 2nd half and really brought the pressure to us. Iraola has worked wonders with Bournemouth, and I hope it gets better for them.
I love and respect managers who speak like this. As a fan I also try my best to be rational in moments like these. We were two classes above them in the first half, and in the second half although they were threatening, we were still a class above
This needs to happen more often. I love that Iraola came out in front of it instead of letting the media ran rampant. Very professional and Bournemouth actual ball.
I can respect that. I donāt agree with the penalty not being deserved though
I like Iraola and think he is destined for a big club in the future .
Class act
Then Ten Hag barged into the press conference and yelled āGabriel played him onside!ā
ETH in the mud.
Rival fans and pundits doing the pikachu face right nowā¦.
I mean the penalty was stonewal
Both decisions were dodgy but heās basically correct. We were the much better team and had the superior chances. If our players were more clinically (Odegaard, Martinelli, Saka) it could have been 5 or 6 nil.
Spaniards check the possession numbers after that much and that tells them who deserved to win, fair (I realize in general we played much much better than them)Ā
I've got to say, early in the season I thought this guy was out of his depth and one of those managers that would be sacked and forgotten about by January He's actually done a great job so far
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10x their xG
Top man
Cheers mate.
Amazed Liverpool arenāt going straight in for him.
Any mention of the non red card call? Nope? Ok fuck off
San SebastiƔn breeds class. We all know it!
Classy šš¾
Conveniently didnāt mention the tackle on Saka?
He's right on all counts, but did he also mention that Christie should've seen red?
But do you agree with Christie's challenge?
Heās right agree. Pen was soft and their goal shouldāve stood but the result isnāt unfair we should have had five in the first thirty minutes we battered them.
Penalty is a penalty imo, but the disallowed goal is a joke tbhĀ
Why? Raya catches the ball if he's not pushed
Rayas gotta be stronger for me. Also took a terrible path to the ball
What, standing directly beneath it?
Itās a slight nudge shoulder to shoulder. Keepers need to be stronger and shouldnāt be protected to this level
It's not a shoulder to shoulder nudge. There's clear angles of Solanke hooking his left arm.
Hooked the same arm that he ends up punching with? Thatās light mate, come on
Yes. Hence he couldn't cleanly collect the ball because he was impeded. Open your eyes
So you want goalkeepers to be untouchable? Itās a contact sport. I guess weāll have to agree to disagree but thatās ridiculously soft in my books. If someone holds my arm and Iām still able to punch the ball cleanly 10 feet in the air, then I wouldnāt think Iāve been been impeded much. Keeper needs to be stronger there. If itās a foul game is unironically gone.
Never said that. Keepers are generally overly protected, yes. But where there is clear impedmenet, like there was here, it should be called every time.
You realise the reason he wasnāt able to catch the ball was because of the shoulder, right? He got bumped thatās why he didnāt claim it. Like the hook on the arm didnāt impede his use of that arm at all. He literally made a clean punch with that same arm. If an action that doesnāt prevent you using that arm comfortably is considered impeding then any action on a goalkeeper is pretty much impediment
Solanke didn't even look at the ball let alone try to win it. It is a 100% foul.
Solanke hooked rayas left arm so he couldnāt collect the ball clearly a foul.
I disagree but you do you
Well watch the highlight and u wonāt lol
Gotta love the ole āif you donāt agree with me you clearly didnāt watch itā response
Iām not saying that I just donāt think uve seen the angle from head on or you wouldnāt be saying this is all. But do you.
Pen is 50/50 but since it was called by the ref it wasnāt going to be reversed. Obviously Iraolaās going to say it wasnāt a pen though, Arteta would say the same if the situation was reversed.