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theplantbasedsinger

Aww yay Jade! I wonder what events we will see from her! Sort of hoping it's just bars and beam to give her some breathing room after NCAA, but who knows. I think there is a little more pressure because she has quite a bit of ground to make up and she knows that she needs to demonstrate that she's on the right path. (But also needs to keep to her pacing) Always rootin' for her--developed such a soft spot for her when she rebounded from that vault final to become an OGM. And I am reallyyyy curious to know what the new floor pass is 👀


Marisheba

Yeah, she's still got Classics to go after this meet but before Championships. So I think it would be fine for her to who up here with either two or three events; or watered down routines. I think she could even stand to be slightly watered down still at Classics, but by nationals she needs to be going on all cylinders.


theplantbasedsinger

yeah, that makes sense! I just shared an article that mentioned that she's been getting skills verified virtually--so that probably takes a bit of the pressure off, too!


Marisheba

Yes, I just saw that! So awesome! Jade is one of my faves, and this is making me so excited!


OftheSea95

*American Classic The American Cup hasn't existed for almost five years now, I really have no excuse


mediocre-spice

My brain just doesn't compute American Classic as a real thing when there's also a US Classic


lemonsaltwater

It was even better when it was the Secret US Classic. “Shhh, it’s a secret!” (Even though American Classic was more like the secret one as it’s much smaller and not always televised 😂)


freifraufischer

When I was a baby gym nerd I knew there were two of them and one was basically a private meet ... I thought that's what people meant when they referred to the Secret classic.


Several_Childhood621

There's the secret American Classic, and the loud Secret U.S. Classic. Clear as mud? Good. 


kds1988

This is such a bizarre unforced error of USAG naming things. WHY would you give two competitions, essentially the same name?!


AnonLawStudent22

No one ever really called it the US classic until they lost all their sponsorships in the fallout of the bad doctor. It was always the cover girl classic, secret classic, etc. Nationals is even worse because USAG nationals are for rhythmic, trampoline, tumbling, etc. Then once Visa Championships/P&G Championships became no more, they called the WAG/MAG competition the U.S. Gymnastics Championships.


kds1988

To be fair we all always called it Classics. I don't think anyone talking about it would say the full "Secret US Classic" or anything like that.


AnonLawStudent22

I remember it being called Covergirl Classic and everyone called it that. I think of all the brand names P&G could have used for U.S. Classic “Secret” was a huge mistake which made things very confusing and the full name or “classics” got used instead. But as others said that’s when American Classic was basically just a competition at the Karolyi ranch with the sole purpose of earning an elite qualification score. Only the most dedicated fans knew it existed or what it was called.


kds1988

Secret was bizarre but in the 70s the women’s tennis tour was named for Virginia Slims cigarettes 🤣


Ill-Produce8729

Is it core hydration classic again this year? I like that one (almost as much as “oofos US championships”)


AnonLawStudent22

Yes. Now it’s the Core Hydration U.S. Classic and I believe the Xfinity US Championships.


zxcv-qwerty

Core classic sounds like an exercise class. Which is appropriate I guess


Marisheba

Yep, worst naming ever. I WISH this was the American Cup, would be so much easier to remember/keep straight!


thestoryofme23

Don’t feel bad, this is how I found there isn’t an American cup anymore 😂😂😂 I guess I didn’t really care about it because of the scoring but can’t believe I missed it😅


OftheSea95

Lol someone finally had mercy and took it out back


problematic_glasses

may scAM cup rest in the most peace


Junior-Dingo-7764

I attended one of the last American Cups and if I knew it was going away I probably would have cried in the stands. Lol


Constant-Load-1970

I attended in 1976 and saw Nadia!


peoniepeanut

Omg I got so excited that it might exist again


Fifth_Down

Yes...its an honest mistake. But come on dude and literally had me thinking that in an Olympic year...this was how USAG was lowkey announcing the return of the American Cup.


OftheSea95

I am so sorry 😭 That'd be a wild way to announce it though lol


BluXbanana

I don't understand how a country like the US, where gymnastics is very popular, doesn't host a world cup anymore 😅


AnonLawStudent22

The entire all around World Cup series went away.


cabbagesandkings1291

This can’t be true, 2020 just ended.


pja314

She'll be coming right off of NCAA's. I bet it'll be a slow ease-in (ie 2 event return, not AA).


Marisheba

Interesting that she posted a Moors video with her announcement though. Feels like she would be planning on competing at least a watered down floor?


Peanut_Noyurr

I wonder which events she'll be competing? I'm hoping the Moors video is implying we'll be seeing floor, but it is very standard procedure for the bigger names to just do bars and beam at American Classic (including Jade herself in 2018).


OftheSea95

Time to find out if "Brian Carey is a smart pacer" holds up under typical Olympic circumstances I guess


starspeakr

This is a different circumstance because she’s competing full time at ncaa the year of the Olympics, so if she doesn’t make the team, I’m not inclined to make any judgments on Brian Carey’s pacing abilities. They’re taking a huge risk doing both and I’m sure they’re fully aware of that. We will probably never know.


-gamzatti-

I don't think that was ever a real thing. Jade got injured in early 2021 and the "pacing" was simply her natural recovery. Of course Brian didn't push it because she already had a spot, but there wasn't some master plan to peak the moment they arrived in Tokyo.


Ill-Produce8729

I think the conversation about him being a good pacer would make way more sense when considering how “late” they started her on the elite journey (and then we can’t really say anything about pacing strategies for the Tokyo Olympics at all since because all pacing was thrown out when that extra year happened). So yeah, I don’t like the “awesome pacer especially because she peaked right in Tokyo” either, but I do think his general strategy for her has been really good


OftheSea95

And yet I've seen many people convinced it really was some master plan lol


_express_

Remind me how Jade got the individual spot again in Tokyo? Feels like a lifetime ago 😂


AnonLawStudent22

She basically did what Emma is trying to do now. She attended a bunch of world cups and won vault and floor in the series. There were spots open to gymnasts whose country qualified full teams. But the catch was they couldn’t compete on a team too or help their country’s team qualify to the Olympics. These spots no longer exist for countries that qualified full teams.


Marisheba

Yes, and the US could have named Jade to the team (and many people think they should have), but then she would have forfeited her individual spot. It would have gone to whoever was next on the list in the world cup series (I believe?), and not to another American, so the US would have sent a 4-person team and *one* specialist, rather than the 4-person team and two specialists that they did send. I think that if the US had known how Jade would perform at Tokyo, they absolutely should have named her to the team in place of Grace. But I don't think they really could know, her routines were SO watered down right through trials.


Katiecupcake

She was so dominant she secured enough points for both vault and floor positions


blc333

Biggest Jade stan on earth here- I’m so happy she’s still set on the elite/olympic goal after the season she had last year. I assume it takes a lot to keep pushing through this type of training after feel so defeated so many times in 2023. I am looking forward to seeing what she does! She has looked SO clean in NCAA this season


starspeakr

I’m sure her goal has always been the Olympics so it’s just business as usual. Not to mention she hopefully will have better conditioning and won’t have a numb arm this time around.


OftheSea95

Jade really has the potential to have a big comeback this year.


Marisheba

Yes! I was really worried that doing a NCAA this year was a mistake if she wanted to make it to Paris. She just seemed so exhausted last year. But something has changed and she seems to have gotten her mojo back, she's just looked really happy and confident lately. I really hope she brings it full-force by Championships!!


OftheSea95

I've been lowkey worried for all the NCAA girls that chose to stay and compete, but I'm really I'm hoping this ended up being a good call for all of them!


starspeakr

I am excited to see where her season goes.


foggyfoggyfiction

I mean for her she has an advantage that her 2022 level (which itself was well below her 2021 level) still surpasses Joscelyn, Jordan, etc. As long as she restores her 2022 level she becomes the favorite for the VT/FX spot that everyone else is chasing. I'm more concerned about Jordan's motivation because even if she restores her 2022 level she might well still find herself off the team (ex. Simone Shilese Jade Suni Kayla).


blc333

I feel like I’m in the minority in this thought but… I have never ever thought Jordan can make this Olympic team. I don’t say that to be a hater because I think she’s an INCREDIBLE gymnast and an amazing teammate but I just don’t see her making sense in the conversation this time around. Her scoring potential won’t cut it when someone who actually uses strategy builds the team (we hate you Tom Forster).


Peanut_Noyurr

IDK, she's capable of going 14+ on 3 events. Her 2022 scores would put her top 3, if not top 2, in the US on both vault and floor, along with a very usable lead-off/backup bars routine. That gymnast wouldn't be difficult to fit into a highest-scoring team, especially if you've got a Skye, Suni, or Gabby on that team.


foggyfoggyfiction

which Jordan are you talking? 2021 or 2022 or 2023? Her 2022 scores are higher than Josc's scores on every event - yes even on vault (14.466 for Josc's Cheng vs. 14.500 for Jordan's DTY) so I don't see how she doesn't have a strong chance. Not to mention her 2021 routines on bars/beam would be significant upgrades as well. In fact, before Kayla's Winter Cup performance I would have still said that Jordan is favored for the team if she can restore her 2022 form. But Kayla delivered routines on bars and beam that are currently well beyond Jordan's scoring potential, and her vault and floor are only a little behind Jordan. So this will be a challenge for her now.


blc333

The only reason I really feel this way about Jordan is because she doesn’t necessarily have a standout high scoring event unless she can upgrade vault (which could be likely!) but I think when you already have strong AAers which will likely be Simone and Shi, it really turns into the puzzle piece situation where you gotta think about highest scoring and medal potential. I think if Jordan comes out strong like she did in ‘21 she will be on a LOT of people’s heels and I would love to eat my words, I just don’t see it right now. I also don’t think Joscelyn is making the team either.


chilopsis_linearis

I think Kayla has a better chance at this point but I will say that especially with gymnasts like Suni and Kaliya as possible team members I think it’s a good idea to bring a strong AA gymnast


starspeakr

Jordan didn’t have a stand out last year, but she’s medaled on floor in the past. That’s going to be a key routine for her.


Marisheba

They'll definitely bring a 3rd AA. If not a fourth (given past trends in US team selection, I think it remains to be seen how strategic the committee will be, vs US tradition of top-5 AA). The question is whether they'll bring someone with higher scoring potential, or higher reliability. So it's possible that even if Jordan has higher AA than Kayla, they'd still bring Kayla for her proven consistency so far, including internationally at PanAms. That said, if Jordan brings a clean Cheng, she significantly ups her chances, the US wants three Chengs if they can get 'em.


starspeakr

I wouldn’t put her on my team today but she’s not that far off if she makes a good comeback. You can’t be sure yet for a few reasons. If she shows up with a 14 floor, she may be the highest placing all arounder (besides simone) with a counting floor score and usable bars and beam. She could possibly have a Cheng, though I won’t be counting on that yet either. And shit happens - people get injured. People fall. People have issues with their comebacks. A specialist might leave some weird holes that Jordan best fills.


Marisheba

And she looks so happy now! Last fall I was really worried that not taking a break from NCAA/college would kill her chances from Paris, but watching her these past few months, it feels much more like she knows what she's doing, and is in a much better place mentally/endurance-wise than she was at this time last year.


Worth_Conversation15

Do we know who else is participating in the American Classic?


Syncategory

“\[Suni\] Lee’s coach, Jess Graba, [had previously told Inside Gymnastics magazine](https://www.insidegymnastics.com/news-features/suni-lee-aims-for-competitive-return-in-april/) that competing at next week’s American Classic (27 April in Katy, Texas) was a possibility, but the 21-year-old says that decision is still up in the air. “I’m not sure if I’m doing American Classic quite yet,” Lee said.“ - from the recent Scott Bregman article for [Olympics.com](http://Olympics.com)


OftheSea95

So far I think only Gabby has confirmed.


Chemistry66

USAG has not confirmed an official list. They said [on Facebook after April camp](https://www.facebook.com/USAGymnastics/posts/pfbid02989RSn5q39ZEFXiuaPqhVHeg4TArhMLWMZJhYs5LyFseShWd6CxrnevQpVyLpie8l) they would share it in the week leading up to the event. Since the American Classic starts on the 25th, I imagine we'll probably get something by the end of this weekend. ETA: And now they've officially said it'll be released tomorrow!


starspeakr

Get ready for the hyper scrutiny and everyone picking teams way too early in the season! She will just have finished ncaa. Please everyone remember it will not be representative of what she will look like by nationals and trials.


OftheSea95

We're a little late when it comes to stopping hyper scrutiny and picking teams too early lol


starspeakr

It’s just especially bad with Jade because she will have just finished ncaa and so many are especially ready to write her off given last year. But she’s just going to be getting back into the swing of things. I’m already bracing for the barrage of critical comments


OftheSea95

I think all the NCAA girls are gonna need to come back swinging since they all basically ended 2023 having people question their endurance, which is why I think it's smart for Jade to come back now at a smaller meet rather than one that'll be covered by NBC.


starspeakr

I think Jade has the biggest perception issue because she’s a former gold medalist coming off a rough year and people want to either declare her back or over.


Peanut_Noyurr

I think that perception issue also comes from the increased focus (both from the judges and from the fans) of artistry deductions. A lot of people seem to think that her lower scores last year were pretty much exclusively due to artistry deductions, and are therefore irreversible, when it was actually mostly due to her stamina affecting the D, and even more so the E, on her acro.


starspeakr

Yes this is true. It’s a combo of the increased emphasis on artistry and the fact that Jade has a faction of people who dislike her for her lack of artistry. But she would do fine at her highest D potential. That’s why I’m so eager to see if she can pull off her difficulty again. But I also feel people were writing her off on vault last year when her Cheng was getting into shape (one could imagine without the shoulder problem and with more time it would have been solidly back). I don’t think it’s entirely due to the artistry question.


AstronomerConstant57

Im def not a coach or so much into doing sport myself, but, is late April THAT early? Honestly,as I said, I’m not into sport endurance or training, but considering the Olympic team will be picked in late June/early July (I’m not American so I don’t remember when the Olympic trials will be held), late April doesent seem too soon to have predictions. Of course injuries can happen any time but this is literally the first competition of the Olympic run, when we should actually start to have some realistic predictions, overall I don’t remember many last minutes picks, it has always been consistent gymnasts during the season, maybe Malabuyo as a reserve was a surprise


starspeakr

It’s early training wise for Jade. Her ncaa season ends this weekend. She hasn’t had the free time to train elite like everyone else (other than Leanne who is in the same boat). You can’t expect to see her comeback in the same place as someone who has only been doing elite. It’s already going to be hard for her to get back into elite shape between now and champs, but by then we will have a strong sense of what she can do this year. Separately, it’s still early for anyone in the us to be competing to their full potential this month, but most will have been training differently without ncaa taking up their time. Even at us classic next month, some people are going to do a couple events. That would be considered early as well. Champs is when you start to count the scores toward making a team. This is an odd year with many late comebacks due to ncaa and people like gabby and Suni returning. Most top contenders won’t even be competing at American classic and many will just be competing specific events at US classic. That makes it difficult to make a prediction on the bubble athletes who will make a team. Champs is the first time you see all of the athletes going head to head in the all around/their best events.


Ill-Produce8729

It’s not that it’s that early in the grand scheme of things. It’s more that Jade most probably won’t be competing all events/full difficulty/perfect execution at American Classics. She’ll ease back into elite there and then we’ll see something much closer to what she actually looks like at US classics. But people will see potential mistakes/her not doing a most difficult floor etc at American classics and go “yeah she’s out”


Peanut_Noyurr

It's not so much that April is early, just that American Classic is too early. It's not very common for the main Worlds/Olympic contenders to even compete there, and when they do it's usually just as more of a warmup competition to get back into the swing of things before the real competition starts at US Classic.


hostile_pedestrian97

Does anyone know days/times for this meet? There is so little info online. I only know it exists because of the elite calendar.


OftheSea95

According to said calendar it'll be taking place from April 25-28. Beyond that, I have no idea.


hostile_pedestrian97

I looked at last year's schedule and they had hopes and juniors on Saturday and seniors on Sunday. I'm not sure why they would need four days this time.


OftheSea95

Beats me 🤷🏽‍♀️


SansIdee_pseudo

There an American Cup this year?


OftheSea95

There is not, I typed out "Cup" when I meant "Classic" 😬


SansIdee_pseudo

Hahaha! We won't miss the Scamerican Cup! TBF, the judging got a lot better when it became a FIG World Cup event in 2011.