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Drifter_the_Blatant

Strangely I suspect the Venlil that were born into captivity to take to Humans quite well. They have no context with which to judge predators vs prey. The fact that we're not pseudo-crocodile people with huge protruding teeth and are instead warm and fuzzy mammals with strong yet soft hands perfect for petting would be the bigger contrast. Why would they care that both species have binocular vision? All they know is abuse at the claws of their captors and kindness from the hands of their rescuers, and any instinctual revulsion to a particular behavior or anatomical configuration of a human can be attributed to residual PTSD.


Crouteauxpommes

The problem is probably that the Venlil who had a life outside of captivity may act as authority figures. Even if they can't teach all their biology knowledge, if Glim goes all "Beware of the Gaians, they're predators too!" it may produce panick.


102bees

Compared to Arxur, humans probably look almost comical.


historynutjackson

Well, until the UN forces breached and cleared an Arxur cattle ship, anyway.


102bees

In action we're fearsome, certainly, but at a glance an Arxur is a giant monster of teeth and scales, while a human is a gangly weirdo.


Pineapples_26

Proud member of the gangly weirdo race


CoivaraPA

Right? Don't even have claws. Pathetic


Lisa8472

No claws, pretty blunt teeth, not great jaw strength, soft and vulnerable skin, no natural weapons at all…. We’re omnivore-predators in the bodies of prey with forward-facing eyes. Honestly, I don’t see why our short canine teeth would bother them. Krakotl (sp?) have claws and a beak. Any Earth bird their size (hell, probably only half their size) could sever our spines with one blow/bite. And they’re afraid of our little, weak teeth?


IncelCore-i9

I'd say one of the human's best defenses is the versatility of their body. Many animals can bite and scratch, but are utterly useless beyond that. Humans can kick real hard, punch pretty well, grab and snake around something's body to twist, snap or choke and can throw stuff fairly well. Even animals like crocodiles, which have monstrous biting force, can't do much besides bite/spin and probably flick our tail at you (although that possibly won't hurt that much) Humans in general don't have many ways to "overkill" stuff, but they sure have several others to caise injuries as well as the tools to do so. Add to that their resistance in general (losing limbs, bleeding, concusion, broken bones) and you could understand why they can be fairly scary with their "jack of all trades" nature


Golde829

interestingly enough, croc's "bite force" is elastic, they have a tendon between the jaws and that's what pulls it shut so hard, but they also can only just open those large jaws, so even a crab can just go "shut" and hold their mouth closed also you saying humanity's gem is versatility reminds me of another HFY story, I seen it read on YT and I think it was called *Survival of the Good Enough*


NAMELESSJOKER96

That sound awesome gonna listen to know


NAMELESSJOKER96

What youtuber I can't find it


TinyCatCrafts

I think it's called Survival of the Good Enoughest. I Googled it and added "reddit" to the end and found the text version. https://www.reddit.com/r/HFY/comments/rwlsac/survival_of_the_good_enoughest/


fox5s

Comparatively, our punches and kicks aren't very damaging (at least without solid augmentation, ie shoes). Though, i suppose that's relative to our size. We'll probably hurt things a lot smaller than ourselves with little issue. However, our grappling potential is nearly unmatched. If we can get a good hold, we can choke out things a lot bigger pretty efficiently. Including wolves, tigers, and moose. Though, a tiger is a LOT harder to get and keep that good hold on. Something about flexibility, strength, and VERY dangerous claws. I also don't suggest trying it on a wolf or moose either. Just noting that it's possible. And that's without mentioning eye gouging. We are pretty good at that if we want to be.


IncelCore-i9

>Comparatively, our punches and kicks aren't very damaging (at least without solid augmentation, ie shoes). Though, i suppose that's relative to our size. We'll probably hurt things a lot smaller than ourselves with little issue. Absolutely. I am very much not going to kick a crocodile or a moose barefoot, but still I am fairly sure a good stomp, knee or kick to a wolf-sized animal can do some serious damage. Our legs are pretty strong, believe it or not! I have to agree our punches might not be very effective at self-defense, but a good punch to the snot can definitely discombobulate an oponent


fox5s

I mostly agree. The only thing I'd note is that wolves are huge. People tend to think of them as large dogs. They are not. They are MUCH bigger than you think.


[deleted]

I was thinking like car sized?


fox5s

Car sized? O.o There were some breeds we'd call Dire Wolves that maybe got that big. But it also depends on the car size as that's quite a variable. Perhaps a small compact. Actually, maybe I'm the one with the misconception. One moment. ... Okay, if I'm understanding this correctly, the wolves I'm thinking of have the mass of about the same as a Great Dane but in a much more compact frame. And those are pretty much THE biggest dogs. That's three to four TIMES as massive as a Pit Bull. They chonky. But there's also a range of mass depending on where the wolf hangs out as per Bergman's Rule. Which I didn't know about can affect those measurements quite a bit. And could explain why people don't ever seem to picture wolf size correctly. In any case, a wild animal as massive as a Great Dane is nothing to scoff at. But, if you can avoid the teeth, a person can choke one out. Assuming the pack doesn't rip you apart while you are trying it. They scary! :D We scary! :D


YouDoneKilledGod

...."OUR?" IM ON TO YOU, CROCODILE.


Crutos1

"our tail" hmmm yeah sure whatever ya say "mr human", next you're gonna say that swamplands are perfectly safe.


BobQuixote

>flick our tail at you Is there something you want to tell us?


Nova_Explorer

We apparently have really high jaw strength (easily enough to sever a finger or several), it’s just that with how our mouth is shaped we can’t effectively use it as a weapon (unless they stick a digit in our mouth)


Punny_fan

Not only a strong jaw but also enough bacterias to cause a bad infection if it breaks the skin...


armacitis

Supposedly you could just bite through a finger like it was a carrot is what I've heard,but I haven't had a good chance to test it yet.


Electronic_Assist668

We actually have very efficient jaws, for the relatively small size of our jaw's musculature and skeletal structure they're pretty damn strong


Shantoyl_CCtoon203

I’m imagining it now. A human volunteer accidentally reveal itself to their Venlil patient. It’s been a very long day and the string of questioning happens after their rushed, explanation of what they are. Volunteer: I-i’m sor-ry for lying too, ple-as-e don’t be afraid- Patient: …Ok… *In shock for both of them* Volunteer: … Are you sure? Patient: Not really? All I’ve known from my whole life was the Arxur, and knowing there is two predators is scary but… In the Arxur claws, I’m always in constant fear and pain, but in your claws… If they could be even called claws… The only pain you have caused so far it’s helping me loosen a knot on my fur… So I guess we’re OK. Volunteer: *so relieved that they feel like they’re going to pass out*… O-k, ok, ok.. Thank you. Patient: … Ummm, do you need a hug? Volunteer: Hey, that’s my line… But yes.


Golde829

honestly I see this being my reaction- I would be terrified of having f%ked up so badly that the Venlil would probably be like; "...is this *really* a predator?" ah the joys of anxiety :upside\_down:


Defiant_Heretic

Venlil, and the vast majority of Federation species have predator phobia. It's exacerbated by culture and trauma, but rooted in biology. Phobias are often triggered by something associated with a hazard. It's imprecise, but can save your life. Binocular vision is associated with predators, which were a common enough threat for the phobia to become universal. It's similar to how some humans fear spiders and snakes, even if they've never been attacked by one. I'm curious why the Yotul seem to be less afraid of predators. Perhaps they adapted a stronger fight response to predation?


Fappity_Fappity_Fap

My little hypothesis on the Yotul behavior is that they occupied a similar niche to humans (omnivoral pack hunters) in their pre-agricultural biosphere, but evolved from some animal without binocular vision and, unlike us, never came across the possibility of animal domestication. No domestic animals means any meat would need to be hunted down, leading to a Yotul society that was fed solely on plants, since hunting is both physically dangerous, for someone similar in size and dietary needs as us, and an unsustainable protein source for large urban populations in the long run. That fits doubly for the Yotul: their seeming lack of an instinctual predator fear response stems from them being marsupial space Pandas, as well as them seemingly being skipped from the Federation's omnivoral treatment, as first contact would have missed any Yotul consuming meat-derived foodstuffs (and few to no Fed species going to their planet for anything because "haha primitives go ooga booga").


Xolaya

What if there simply are no serious predators for the Yotul in their natural habitat?


Fappity_Fappity_Fap

While possible, I find that unlikely, the niche for predators of megafauna in the human/yotul size class isn't exactly hard to live in, plenty of animals our weight exist on Earth and, I'd imagine, also on the wildlands of the Yotul homeworld. Now, if the yotul anatomy involves some extreme kind of deterrent, such as an awful taste of their meat (unlikely for herbivores, highly likely for frequent meat eaters) or some poisonous substance in their flesh, then their natural predators would learn not to fuck with them and leave them alone. As the eons pass by, the yotul fear response could atrophy, yes, but it probably wouldn't disappear because a desperate large enough predator would still try its luck eating an yotul, same as our smarter large predators with humans, since it'd be dead anyway.


Golde829

I feel like referring to them as "space Pandas" might just be really close I don't know *too* much about each of the species (I don't frequent the wiki) but your descriptions here just.. make sense with what I know at least


RevanchistVakarian

> It’s exacerbated by culture and trauma, but rooted in biology. Is it rooted in biology though? The alien children we’ve seen don’t appear to have the same sort of response.


BXSinclair

It's rooted in biology, but the culture takes it to an extreme The children would see a human and have a mild phobia reaction, but this is easily fixed with even just a little bit of exposure therapy Meanwhile, the adults, even after getting used to humans, still have moments of fear when we move too suddenly or say something too predator like, because it can take *years* for brainwashing propaganda to fully wear off


Defiant_Heretic

I believe so, the instinctual fear and disgust many of the herbivore sapients have for predators, would suggest as much. Children are more adaptable, so the same exposure, education, and friendship that would mitigate predator phobia in adults, is more effective with children. We see several POV's, that show that even befriended Venlil have to consciously override their phobia. I expect that will be less of a problem, if Human and Venlil friendships continue through future generations.


RevanchistVakarian

I get that it's deeply rooted _somewhere_, but what I'm trying to get at is that if the cause was _biological_ then I would expect it to be universally present across different age groups. What we actually see though is that the people with a deep fear that needs to be overcome are all adults. Meanwhile the closest Nulia has ever gotten to noticing a difference at all - even while her planet was being actively attacked by two different predators at once! - was telling Marcel that his eyes are ugly. (And without wishing to explicitly spoil any Patreon content, Nulia is not an unusual child in this regard). That implies to me that fear of "predators" is a learned response rooted in culture rather than a truly instinctual response rooted in biology. You asked earlier why the Yotul seem to be an exception to the rule, and I think this is actually why. Feds are basically the equivalents of our historical colonizing powers, where uplifts are (forcibly) expected to conform to their idea of "civilized" culture. For the Yotul, this started very early in their industrial development and very recent in their history. So their cultural conversion is still in its earliest stages - and since the Feds are being condescending self-righteous assholes every step of the way, the resentment they're engendering is only making the conversion process even slower. I don't think it's a coincidence that the one non-predator species that hasn't yet fallen victim to the Federation's cultural genocide campaign is also the one non-predator species that doesn't seem to display any visible fear when first introduced to our mere presence.


Existential-Nomad

It's not one or the other, it's both... I remember reading somewhere that very young children have little to no instinctive fear of snakes or spiders, But that instinct kicks in around the time when children start to learn to walk. However there are some people who keep these critters as pets. Some people develop a phobia of these animals, some simply don't like em and some end up liking the little buggers. My guess would be that most of the Fed species have an instinctive avoidance reaction to predators front facing eyes (similar to humans generic reaction to too many legs, slithering motion and slimy); However the Fed brainwashing turns that into a full-blown phobia and dials it up to eleven.


Golde829

y'know that makes a lot of sense realistically, most (rational) people would be wary around big predator animals like bears or lions when encountered in the wild, but yet those same people would willingly go and admire them in zoos just like us, these xenos all have natural, instinctive aversions to predator traits, but when it comes to those who're under the influence of the Federation's brainwashing, the already pre-existing aversion gets exacerbated into a full-on (somewhat rational) fear of anything predatory


LoM_Commandant

I would also like to add to your point that being newer uplifts and with the Yotul only being in their industrial era when first contact happened they probably didnt have time to go full idiots and completely destroy their planet’s ecosystem by exterminating every predator species. So they are likely more used to being exposed to predators as well. Still dont understand how any federation world is functional with that however, their ecosystems should be in complete chaos and disfunction, their planets should be dying essentially. I wonder if we will see that brought up sometime, how theyve wrecked their ecosystems


Existential-Nomad

Nature loads the gun Nurture pulls the trigger


Golde829

take my upvote, you got a laugh from me also that's a golden way of putting it and if I wasn't broke I'd give you gold for it too


rurumeto

At a guess, the federation's blinding fear of predators isn't just evolutionary but also part of their recoding to be submissive and controllable. The Yotul being a recent uplift wouldn't have been as extensively genetically or culturally tampered with.


Defiant_Heretic

That fits with a cultural, and ideological reinforcement of predator phobia. A common fear or enemy would be useful for uniting diverse species. With the Arxur being an extinction level threat, the Federation could justify conformist and authoritarian policies, that would face resistance in peace time.


Xreshiss

> Phobias are often triggered by something associated with a hazard. It's imprecise, but can save your life. It reminds me of how the scorpions in ARK would absolutely *terrify* me, whether it be up close or from far away. It wasn't until I looked up their wiki page that I found out why. They have 8 legs (not counting their arms). I'm an arachnophobe, you see.


Golde829

I'm sorry, but that last line was unexpected and honestly it's kinda funny that the seemingly unknown reason behind this fear was a modelling error that gave it two extra legs


JetstreamGW

Honestly? I doubt that it's an inborn thing. The way the Federation operates, I guarantee that Federation children are indoctrinated. They almost certainly get regular videos and shit about "how to identify a predator," reinforcing fear, etc. Which would also explain how they *all* seem to universally flee when scared. If they've been taught since they were little that they have no hope against the evil, terrible predators, they'd start to run whenever anything went wrong. I think that's why Slanek attacked that tilfish the other day. He's getting over the conditioning, and the proper venlil "fight" response is reasserting itself, because you can't *really* train away instincts. After all, even rabbits will kick to kill if they can't run anymore, or if they're protecting their young.


Cooldude101013

Yeah, you can’t train away instincts but you can modify them. I’ve heard that military training works to basically make the training instinct.


JetstreamGW

It's conditioning. Unconscious action. But they can't get rid of the fight-or-flight response, they can just change how you react to it. That's how you learn to shoot when afraid rather than flinging yourself bodily at whatever you're fighting.


LastStarlight

I'm thinking there's a possible link to that difference and Sovlin internally noting that he wondered if they (the Yotul) screened for 'Predator Disease'. My suspicion is that the Federation has developed/imposed some kind of medical or psychological diagnosis for anyone who displays traits that are considered aggressive. If so then most Fed species won't even be remotely socialized to behaviors that are considered 'predatory' and will instead regard them as a sign of dangerous illness. It's almost certainly complete and utter bunk but if the entire society goes along with it, there you go. It might be a form of imposed social control or it may well be that the powers that be just don't get what the ramifications of screwing with an entire population's behavioral conditioning really is. Certainly we've seen plenty of evidence that the Federation doesn't really get other sciences. They're awful at biology, terrible at psychology and abysmal at ecology. Adding another few disciplines to the list wouldn't surprise me in the slightest at this point. If that line of logic holds, the Yotul act more like humans because they haven't tried to prune either psychological or genetic dispositions toward 'predatory' behaviors. Which are in fact normal behaviors that nontrival percentages of other species would display if they weren't 'treated' for it (or eliminated, we don't know what happens to those considered 'infected' that I can recall). Alternately if they are anything like, say, kangaroos it could well be that their instinct is to just square up and 'box', as you theorized.


magicrectangle

The Yotul are the answer to the question of whether it is biology or culture. It is predominantly culture.


Monarch357

A nice break from our PoV's trauma where we instead focus on the trauma of other people.


SpacePaladin15

Part 79 is here! Haysi deduces her caretakers’ true identity, while Glim runs off in Noah and Sara’s absence. How will our two rescues react going forward? Is there a way to salvage the program from total disaster? As always, thank you for reading! Part 80 will be here on Wednesday.


Moist-Relationship49

I think glim brought up a good point, it seems like Venil Prime has fallen and dodgy aliens are running the show. The question becomes how many agree with him, and how many see why.


Red_Riviera

In that time. Joint military exercises have created soldiers able to stare down an Arxur. Modified craft can hold the line. Knowledge of medicine and nutrition has improved. Vast conspiracies have been uncovered. Immunity from being hunted by the other high trophic predator gained and the Captured Venlil released I mean…you can argue that Venlil values have been eroded by human culture and immigrants. But. It isn’t like the gains were nothing


Moist-Relationship49

You're right but that doesn't make him wrong. He just got out of Arxur prison, gets home, and aliens took over. How many think like he does, fearing the losts and not think about the gains. In time he will probably come around.


Red_Riviera

Refugees aren’t the wealthiest people in the world. I’m sure our much better concept of food will help. Paired with cultural centre for the different ‘tribes’ of humanity and the UN embassy While you would get the classic conservative ‘predator immigrants bad!’ Speech from some. The gains are good food. A Massive cultural output and practical and tangible military and maybe even economic gains


MrBlack103

> our much better concept of food I suggest liberal application of chocolate.


Red_Riviera

Considering they don’t exactly cook. That might be a good start


Golde829

considering chocolate is harmful to at least one animal here on earth, plus our tendency to consume what's supposed to be poison (alcohol, capsaicin, caffeine, mint (yes really), and fugu is *actually poisonous*), I think the best bet would be to screen which of *our* foods are safe "deathworld" or not, we eat things that have evolved to not be eaten


Tem-productions

The venlil probably eat plants that are poisonous to us too


Red_Riviera

Alcohol and caffeine isn’t universally poisonous, and capsaicin is an exaggeration. It makes you think your on fire. And is specifically to deter mammals. Birds eat it all the time, humans just realise we are not on fire. That, and one species of shew tastes capsaicin as sweet due to an enzyme in its spit


Golde829

I knew the thing about birds, but not the thing about shrews either way my over-arcing point was that we eat things *because* of traits evolved to stop them from being eaten


Red_Riviera

Getting high is not uniquely human


Cooldude101013

Yeah, they’d probably see the different nations as “tribes” (which to be honest, is pretty much true as a nation is just a really big and more complicated form of a tribe). I’d really like to see how things are going between the different nations on Earth as the UN is just acting as a united front/face for Humanity. It might be possible that some nations might try doing stuff on the interstellar scale themselves if they think the UN aren’t doing a good enough job for them.


raknor88

You seem to be forgetting that there was a human terrorist attack on Venlil prime very recently. That information won't exactly warm the former exterminator to the human race.


Red_Riviera

Any the Venlil called for our genocide. Not exactly an unexpected response


raknor88

That call for genocide was centuries before. But the terrorist's attack was only last month.


Red_Riviera

Genocide kinda something we hold against people permanently


itsetuhoinen

I say "fuck it". Let them run off and encounter both unmasked humans and Venli. Let them see that the Venli who weren't held as cattle actually understand that humans aren't going to eat them or enslave them. "But why did you hide it?" "Because we figured you would act like a moron when you found out, and look, you did."


Tremere1974

The question becomes what is a exterminator? Are they there to serve and protect? Or are they the Venlil who through being the most afraid break through the fear response their species is known for and operate on hate of predators for motivation. If the former, they can work through humanity's differences, but if it's the latter, there are going to be more attacks on Tarva's government, and humans on Venlil Prime.


itsetuhoinen

I expect it's the latter, unfortunately. They seem to mostly act as religious zealots, from what we've seen. "Burn the heretic! I mean predator!"


Tremere1974

That's certainly the Angle I used on my Fan-Fic. Though it's a bit like the Terran Police, each person has their own motivations, and resistance to the addage "Power Corrupts".


itsetuhoinen

In most police forces, there's a "departmental temperament". So in this case, people who are comfortable around zealots and inquisitioners will stay, and those who aren't will leave, if that's the culture that's encouraged. Assuming that's the way it turns out here, of course.


Tremere1974

The Thin Blue line is a hard one to cross. And yes, leadership is a key component, and a even handed exterminator may be as hard to find as a squeamish Arxur is, but in both cases Humanity may be a mediating factor.


only-a-random-user

It’s not total disaster yet, these are only 2 rescues out of thousands. Haysi could be calmed, but Glim is the real issue here.


Tremere1974

The Venlil have at least one colony world, they should have put the rescued Venlil there first. The vast majority of the Humans landed on Venlil Prime after all.


jesterra54

I don't think their colonies have enought resources to deal with the refugees


Tremere1974

It is better to only have humans unlading supplies on a dock, than to potentially run into them on the way to a museum. The Colonies should be where those Venlil who absoloutely cannot live with humans went anyway.


Crouteauxpommes

The humans probably aren't staying forever in Venlil Space. Most of them are war refugee : Non-vegetarian gonna have troubles integrating; we can predict some *slight* xenophobic reaction amont humans. Once the situation on Earth is stabilized, many refugee could manifest some will to to home, so it's a bit hard to make all the Venlil that don't like predators to move in the colonies.


Tremere1974

I think it's less a "We are going to make you move." thing than a "Just you try to keep me on a world infested with predators!" kind of thing.


Red_Riviera

Three options realistically. Mental breakdown after seeing the difference of his home and it breaks him. His worldview gets shattered and he changes then has to change find a new one to adapt. Or, suicide


Darkphoenyx27

I'm honestly of the opposite opinion. Haysi is panicking. Panic is not rational nor governed by conscious thought. Someone can be calmed out of panic but it's not easy and the potential for someone to get hurt is real. Glim is thinking. Paranoid and prejudiced, but still showing analysis and planning. He saw an opportunity to slip out and did so quietly. He's not going to run screaming thru the streets. He's going to maintain a low profile and gather intelligence. Where that ultimately leads him is an open question, but he's sharp enough not to be reckless.


Negative_Storage5205

The problem for me is that Haysi's fear in this situation just makes her seem more cute and in need of protection and comfort. Human Instinct: Protect Venlil! Venlil Instinct: Run from Human!


ThunderFlame24

I found this story a few days ago thanks to that fan art of Marcel, Tyler, and Slanek and have had trouble putting it down since! I hope they can their Venlil charges before anything bad happens. Thanks for this wild adventure and I can’t wait to see what happens next! P.S. I’ve been wondering for the last few chapters if its possible that the cast (and us by extension) will get a glimpse of >!the lost cultures of pre-contact Fed members like the Gojid, Venlil, etc or this it truly gone forever?!<


SpacePaladin15

It’s very possible that we’ll see canon archaeological excavations and whatnot! Glad you found the story 🙏


ThunderFlame24

That sounds cool and thanks for the response! I’m excited to see what you have in store next! :)


Intelligent_Ad8406

Yes, as a history student I am really exited to see what that will cause


Golde829

and as a mythology nerd I am also very interested to see what the Federation tried to eliminate let's hope they did a worse job than Britain did at wiping away religions


Intelligent_Ad8406

yeah


ShortTemperedPiano

Do you have a link to that fan art? I haven't seen it


SpacePaladin15

https://www.reddit.com/r/NatureofPredators/comments/zh8k56/slanek_humans_definitely_arent_scary/


interdimentionalarmy

Air ducts! Its always the damn air ducts! :P If Glim did get outside the hospital, it would be an interesting scene... Him looking at a bunch of Venlil, walking calmly down the street intermixed with tall predators going about their business as if everything was totally normal. And when he tries to warn them and shouts for them to run away, they would likely look at him as if he was crazy... Do Venlil have mental hospitals? What would they think about someone, clearly dressed as a patient of a medical facility, panicking in the middle of a calm street where nothing bad seems to be happening? Can't wait for the next chapter!


ResonantCascadeMoose

Glim gets outside to a public access terminal for some kind of local internet, and sees \*ahem\* media focusing on Human x Venlil... couplings, to which Glim has an almost immediate heart attack over.


taneth

Well, that's one way to get him back in the hospital.


mctrump

Turned the tables and vented to escape from a sus imposter


im_a_piece_of_a_bich

Completely unrelated, is the "internet challenge" fic on the TNoP subreddit canon? I must know


SpacePaladin15

As I’ve said before, I will not be canonizing any NoP fanfics 🙏 people are welcome to establish their own headcanon


im_a_piece_of_a_bich

Ohhhhh ok ok thank you dear wordsmith 🙏


Improper-Factoid189

More. More! MORE!!! MOAR!!!!!


Flesh_A_Sketch

Something about Governor Tarva feels off to me. I was originally thinking she was a planetary governor, but that would involve so much paperwork, appointments, and security that she wouldn't have time for half the escapades she gets into. I'm beginning to think she's a regional governor or that governor is literally just a face position and there's another governmental body that does like 99.9% of the governing without input from her.


Lord_of_Thus

She's probably like a modern day monarch: head of government but mostly representative duties


taulover

Or the president in some parliamentary systems, eg Ireland, where the position is largely ceremonial as well.


Moist-Relationship49

I think it's something like the US president, they don't do much direct governing. Laws are written by another body and most executive stuff is handled her staff. So she can focus on all the stuff she has been, like trade deals, entertaining diplomats, and overseeing reintegration of the freed Venil.


Flesh_A_Sketch

Ssshhhhhhhhhhhh jeez... Don't say that too loud, the American people don't know that. We like to blame our president for everything. Like... Literally everything. My dad blamed trump for his flat tire and he liked trump...


Moist-Relationship49

I'm sure Tarva is dealing with it as well "She let predators on our planet!" "And they managed to free tens of millions of our people and revealed the federations culture genocide" "But predators are evil!!!!!!!"


Fappity_Fappity_Fap

Tarva: "Thanks for providing evidence of the cultural genocide, Glim"


Moist-Relationship49

I'm sure Tarva is dealing with it as well "She let predators on our planet!" "And they managed to free tens of millions of our people and revealed the federations culture genocide" "But predators are evil!!!!!!!"


Negative_Storage5205

Maybe she is using vacation time for volunteer work?


Flesh_A_Sketch

Wouldn't this be the absolute worst time for a vacation though? They've left the federation, joined a new contact in a war against their former allies with the aid of Thier former enemy... Her desk should be piled so high with paperwork and appointments that Naruto looks good in comparison...


Fappity_Fappity_Fap

Could also be something she doesn't pick for herself: she just lost a limb (her tail), that's an immediate few months for both physical and psychological therapy, in a goddamn terrorist attack. Chances are she's not in a stable enough state of mind to handle full government duties and her cabinet understands it, letting her recuperate with minimal duties required.


Flesh_A_Sketch

I love this idea, you beautiful person you. It's true too, before the attack she was doing ambassador type stuff, meet and greets with aliens, setting up programs. it's only after the attack that she started being a nurse and this explanation makes so much sense.


Negative_Storage5205

Fair enough. . . I am trying so hard to come up with a diagetic explanation so I don't have to resort to, "But, the plot demands it!" We really need some more human/venlil side characters.


Flesh_A_Sketch

I like the idea that the position is mostly just a face. It's a political position, sure, but the same way the bulldog doing backflips is part of the football team. Her opinions would, of course, carry weight because she's in the field doing the interaction. It would make sense then for her to be in the field. Her job would be to get hands on to properly communicate for her planet, and would put her in a more grounded position compared to the Senate/council/whatever that brought out new laws and signed them. We know nothing about their government...


venlil

The governor being the one that communicates for the governed


102bees

I'd imagine her somewhat like the mayor of a UK city but on a planetary scale. She does have some serious responsibilities and a real function, but a significant portion of her job is to be seen out and about at functions, visiting hospitals, giving to charity, and schmoozing with other dignitaries (especially foreign ones).


LiteX99

At this point she seems like a figurehead more than a political governer of some kind


Rebelhero

The poor humans are never going to recover from causing a stampede on Venlil prime... I really hope I does not come to that!


Yoylecake2100

Four words for the public readers, ***it's gonna get good***


Moist-Relationship49

Implying it wasn't already. /joking


sluflyer

I’m liking the new Venlil rescues. Intelligent and curious. Should make for some fun exposition.


Faint_Devil

He a little paranoind and grumpy, but that gives him character :D


luckytron

I bet that Glim will stumble through a comically inconvenient sequence of events while rushing to wherever he's going (home probably). A couple of human and venlil kids playing hide and seek, where he'll only see a human kid going 'Found you!' before they all invariably start squealing as they enjoy the game, but he's already moved on and only 'hears' a child being eaten alive. A venlil and human friend pair walking and talking about a game that the human was playing when the venlil arrived earlier and or unannounced 'Ugh, I didn't know that there could be so much blood inside a single being, and why did you have to use that wood cutting device anyway?' 'Look, I'd have finished up before you got there but you really wanted to catch me in the middle of my game, that key was for emergencies, not for snooping', and before hearing a clarification that it was a videogame, he's gone. And so on and so forth until he arrives home and rushes inside to find his family sitting with a UN guard nearby, going all 'Sorry, it's for the better good' 'The better good? YOU CALL THIS A BETTER GOOD?', or something like that.


A_Clever_Ape

I love it! It would be a great comedy.


Faint_Devil

Lamo give me this fanfiction XD Poor, poor Glim haha


Freedom-Fiend

I just want to say, I really appreciate that no alien calls their home planet the same thing as their species. Humans don't do that, and we have no reason to suspect we're special in that regard. You've mentioned a few alien religions here and there, and how being prey affected their development. Do you intend on mentioning any human religions, and what they might say about us from an alien perspective? For instance, in Abrahamic religion, humanity is held accountable for introducing death to creation, and they lose the ability to commune with animals for it. What's more is that humans must ritually consign the life of a domestic animal over to God on a regular basis in order to atone for their sin. I think it says a lot about how our ancestors felt about their place in nature that they would develop a religion around personal guilt and the necessity of killing something you loved and cared for.


SpacePaladin15

Without spoilers, I intend to have a religious human character in my current bonus miniseries. Faith definitely has played a large role in our own society; while it’s a sensitive topic, I feel that it deserves to be acknowledged 🙏


ARandomTroll5150

Imagine if some converted fed explains how their institutions work and is really confused when the humans are horrified about the separation of church and state issue.


Freedom-Fiend

That is delightful, and enough to tempt me to subscribe. Regrettably, Patreon does not get along with my bank, so I shall have to watch from the outside with a hungry look in my eyes, like an orphan from a Dickens novel.


Cooldude101013

Yeah. Religion and faith in general is practically just apart of Humanity at this point. Like I’m Christian myself.


Vipertooth123

Alien teligions were mentioned because they were manufactured by the Federation, like the story of Muadib of the Fremen by the Benne Geserit in Dune.


Red_Riviera

This specifically sounds like Judaism as opposed to a proper exploration of the morality of a abrahamic religion structured morality. Specifically, the dynamic of heaven and hell and punishment for sins as well as atonement Christianity in particular is a pretty harsh religion in regards of putting *all* aspects of morality, atonement and forgiveness on the individual Islam by contrast, has strict rules for using violence and a strong emphasis of showing respect to humans and even animals Judaism, like you have said, has strong concept like the scapegoat at its core. And has a lot of concept that contribute to a healthier lifestyle and charitable actions. It is also more relaxed than the harshness of Christianity and the stricter rules of Islam The way the three religions deal with morality, personal responsibility and a humans place in the world would probably be a life’s work for some of these aliens. Considering how complicated and on the human the religion is


gaf04

More relaxed in the reform sects, maybe, but that's also true of Christianity: strict Orthodox Jews have an enormous body of rules to abide by, governing all aspects of life -- or maybe I've misunderstood, and you mean more relaxed around the burden of sin, which I know little about. Yom Kippur is (as far as I know) the main means of atonement now, sacrificing temporal pleasures instead of cattle, having neither a High Priest to perform sacrifices nor a Temple in which to do so. If [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_sin) is to be trusted, Gehenna serves the same purpose as Christian Purgatory, the truly irredeemable being consigned to nonexistence rather than hellfire, souls debased to the point of animality; so there is a common thread between their approaches to salvation.


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ThePoeticDragonbirb

Sivkits and Yotul working together, how else could they do ALL OF THEIR SCHEMES without interfering with each other? They must be, I don’t know if one or the other is in charge, or if its one big joint project, but I know they’re in cahoots with each other, it’s the only reasonable explanation. The Yotul are funding the Sivkits, and in return the Sivkits give them information, information about YOU, the Sivkits are selling YOUR information


luckyboy151

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AverageKrupukEnjoyer

Get out of my head Get out of my head Get out of my head Get out of my head Get out of my head Get out of my head Get out of my head Get out of my head Get out of my head Get out of my head Get out of my head Get out of my head


creeperflint

It took months for the Venlil to become comfortable with us, and there's still some people who don't like us. There are some factors in favor of that going faster with the rescues, but also some factors going against integration being a smooth process. I think that fully learning why Venlil Prime is allied with the Humans and Arxur against the Federation, which is undergoing a civil war, will take time. I don't like the chances of the refugees undergoing a process which took the rest of the Venlil months in a week.


StarSilverNEO

Man someone needs to tell the Venlil that having vents people can crawl through is a safety and security hazard. Ah well. Hopefully our traumatized fluffers don’t do anything too rash


Necromortalium

*They fucking vent*


Negative_Storage5205

>*The poor thing just realized she hugged a predator. Oh dear.* But it is International Hug-A-Predator Day!


Dapper_Metroid

It would have been better to have told the truth from the start. "Why are you wearing masks?" "Our evolutionary ancestors were tree-dwellers, and they evolved binocular vision to better judge distances when leaping from branch to branch. For some reason you Federation races think forward-facing eyes are an exclusively predatory trait, and we don't want you to freak out." Remember, there's "the truth >:( " and there's "the truth :D ".


SirShanksalot

I feel bad for all involved in this situation. The humans just want to help, but the Venlil former cattle being pulled out of the worst conditions imaginable make it very difficult. I cant even bring myself to hate Glim for being an exterminator after what he has been through. I do hope they find him soon for both his sake and for for the safety of any humans he encounters. It is an unfortunate possibility that the Venlil survivors may just be too traumatized to ever accept humans regardless of how good our intentions are. In that case it may be best to set up districts or settlements specifically for them that humans don't enter. As always a fun read; I look forward to the next one OP.


Negative_Storage5205

Glim turns serial-killer.


Fappity_Fappity_Fap

Oh no, Gaians can induce predator disease!


Psychronia

It's obviously too late actually implement this, but if it were me, this is the way I'd separate the information to share with the refuges and what order to break it to them-ideally while eating greens. They'll be curious, but just overwhelmed enough to not push as hard, ideally. 1. Say there was recently a crazy revelation that the Federation has been converting omnivores to heavily manipulated prey races. Keep the exact race names vague for now. 2. After they're given time to let that sink in, list a few of the Federation races that were twisted in this way. Emphasize that these people were still friends and point to any examples of a long history of friendship. Ease them into the idea that biological omnivores aren't bad. 3. Note that the Federation tried this on the Arxur back in the day, and this is at least partly the reason for their incredible aggression. Explicitly do not excuse anything the Arxur have done, but press into the idea that the Federation is bad, actually. 4. Say because the lines between friend and foe were more grey now, "some people" proposed to grow meat in labs and use it to trade for Arxur prisoners. Credit the Venlil as the first to put this into practice while omitting the human contribution and how the negotiation actually happened. The refugees of all people are probably the easiest to persuade that this was a good decision on, considering it's their well-being that was gained from it. 5. Mention that some people, like the Mazics, withdrew from the Federation, and the Federation responded...violently. Finally bring the "Gaians" into the story as the ones who rushed in to save them. Establish the battle lines and sell the Federation as bad again. 6. Finally drop the bomb that humans are omnivores, and they're friendly. That's the whole thing, because this is a big one. Ideally keep humans out of the room for this one and allow refugees to choose not to see them again afterwards. 7. Go through the recent political developments with humans in chunks. Emphasize how we are the victims. 1. First Contact to Marcel's incident. 2. The appeal to the Federation by Noah and the battle on the Gojid Cradle. 3. The attempted destruction of Earth and why there are human refugees now. Leave out the Arxur. 8. The fact that the humans rescued a cattle ship and are the ones that grew the meat for the trade. I guess the fact that we have a complicated relationship with the Arxur now should be mentioned too, but that should probably be pushed so far back it might as well not be on the list. Fact is, history on what humanity has done vs how they've been treated should vindicate us. We just gotta slow the flow of information so it doesn't freak the refugees out more than they can handle. If we're using Glim and Haysi as reference, I think about one chunk of information a day to satisfy their curiosity and let them stew on it is about right. Maybe two if they handle it exceptionally well.


taneth

Yeah, my approach would be to have a few scripted conversations prepared that the handlers could use to "accidentally" leak small details to their patients and see how they respond. Don't lie, don't dodge or cover up anything, but make liberal use of "we'll explain that later" and *actually follow up*. I think the biggest problem they had was that they were clearly omitting so much that they might as well have put up a big neon sign saying "Conspiracy".


Psychronia

That too. It's too blatantly deceptive. Though to be fair them, 2 days isn't exactly long in terms of a rehabilitation plan. Scripting conversations to fake some leaked information is a good idea though. Heck, is it so weird to just flat out say "Gaians" have arboreal ancestors, so they have binocular vision and don't want to scare people? It wouldn't entirely be a lie to say our deep voices are partly to scare away predators as a defense mechanism either.


taneth

The biggest hurdle, as far as exterminators and certain academics are concerned, is that they likely "know" about humans from earlier Federation research.


NB-NEURODIVERGENT

Ironic that Noah said that it wasn’t supposed to go like that when he was entirely to blame for pulling the bottom block from the tower in the first place


Zamtrios7256

I just realized that was a metaphor.


Breadfruit-is-Fruit

[TNOP Abridged](https://www.reddit.com/r/NatureofPredators/comments/yhv9qg/ok_so_get_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf), now brought to *you!* - 79 - Tarva attempts to gaslight the slaves she bought into compliance but they aren’t buying into her bullshit. Two of the slaves then proceed to escape after the bullshit got so strong that even a nose-less species could smell it so Tarva greenlights a manhunt to have her possessions returned to her, courtesy of the UN.


Lord_of_Thus

The best part is that it's accurate 😂


_StaticFromBeyond_

> they aren't believe into her bullshit. I don't think you intended to write it that way. Also, your abridgements are great.


Breadfruit-is-Fruit

Thanks for the catch and thanks for enjoying the Abridged!


Monarch357

Tarva can buy all the slaves she can afford from her bougie-ass mansion, but she can't buy the ability to *actually lie well.*


jamesbideaux

wooo!


ItzBlueWulf

Next episode, we playing a spy thriller flick.


Intelligent_Ad8406

well it seems like those two are going for a walk.....


DeTiro

[Sara and Noah hunting down Glim](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCFfHdvwLbc)


midnighfox696

Lmaoo


rdh212

I'm beginning to think my favourite part of HFY is aliens reacting to humans.


Yoylecake2100

***The Terran Sentinel*** ***A Journalists Wet Dream*** ***October 16th, 2137*** **With the Arxur-Federation War ending just several months before, all sapients finally secured peace. The Arxur Homeworld of Wriss has been opened to certain members of the Press and high-ranking diplomats.** **This new openness to change has spurred on by Chief Hunter Isif's ability to persuade and pull the strings in Dominion Politics and has garnered massive support by the UN and its allies from this** **And with this openness comes a new chapter in piecing together the truth in the start of the war and finally give closure to all**


only-a-random-user

I’ll give it 2 months till we see a McDonald’s franchise opening up on Wriss.


beyondoutsidethebox

What makes you think the clown hasn't gotten there already?


DiplomaticGoose

They don't like bread or potatoes, it might take some retooling


Ef_Mxn

Then The Colonel should win in that regard


DiplomaticGoose

I was thinking Arby's unless KFC has the balls required to bring back the *Double Down*.


Ef_Mxn

Arby's is not as global as KFC though, a quick Wikipedia check says they're only available in the US, Canada, Turkey, South Korea, Mexico, and recently Egypt, which is nothing compared to KFCs, meaning they probably don't have the expansion power to reach as far as Arxur. [Additionally KFC apparently taste better and are more successful outside of the US](https://youtu.be/VVNSn7oYnOU), and being a non-American, I'd say I can testify to that. And lastly, I can already see how "Finger Lickin' Good" is a slogan the Arxur can already associate and relate with


DiplomaticGoose

Who would win: * Current Arxur social hierarchy * KFC extra crispy 12-piece


Yoylecake2100

I shat this mini article out in 10 Minutes and credits to : u/johneever1 for the idea


rurumeto

Guys, I saw Glim vent, I think he's the impostor!


Grimpoppet

It's so sad to see so much distrust. I feel it would have been better to start by eating fruit, but then, when prompted, to begin by explaining that though they mean no harm, many find their appearance disturbing. When further asked why this is, explain the genetic context, of developing in treetops to hide from the predators below; the problems of falling from the canopy; the eventual development of binocular vision. That would answer many of the questions immediately- the former exterminator would immediately understand how important it would be for them to hide their features.


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UrBoiJimmy6968

I don't know if it's been mentioned in another comment but something has been on my mind recently I wonder if it will get revealed we eat eggs Surely at least one of the federation's members lays eggs so I can't imagine it going over well with them or even other herbivores "Baby eaters" probably isn't a good look on humanity


jamesr1005

I sqwueed when she called Noah her beloved even though it was just in her head.


venlil

Where


jamesr1005

Sara shook her head, slashing her hand in front of her throat. I scurried up to him, and tugged at his wrist. **My beloved** needed to adjust his behavior, because that speech wasn’t prey-like at all. Usually, Noah was more sensitive to our sensibilities. Perhaps it was Glim’s profession, goading him into boastfulness?


Psychronia

Two days really isn't a lot of time. Haysi and Glim have both come quite a long way in such a short time. The Venlil are hardier than everyone believes. Honestly, I'm quite curious what sort of differences there are between former cattle raised in captivity vs citizens that had their own lives before being captured. It would serve as a decent control group for just what brainwashing the Federation did and what's actually instinctive. Well, here's hoping Glim doesn't attack any humans he sees while he's out and about. Ideally, we don't want him to feel so cornered he hurts himself either. Poor Haysi is probably less dangerous in that sense, but it would not be good if she manages to get the word to the other refuges. She seemed to get along well enough with Sara though, so I think this is salvageable if we just have an honest conversation when we find her-hopefully before damage is done.


EynidHelipp

Moar


Flaccid__Pankake

Off topic but I frequently wonder how the venlil will react to French fries once McDonald's inevitably opens a restaurant there


Darklight731

Less collateral damage than I was expecting.


Thepcfd

We dont hunt sapient for a food, we do it for fun, duh.


CoivaraPA

To be fair, Gimli is not totally wrong. I don't think its unfair to say that the Venlil are defacto a human protectorate, in the nicest way possible.


Alpha-Sierra-Charlie

"Hey guys, we're new, and we're obligate omnivores but we don't eat people. We were able to free all of you by feeding the arxur without killing any prey." Vs. "Lies, damn lies, fabrication and deception."


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Blackwhite35-73

There are No Predators or Prey in the Galaxy


marAslan-4284

how does the governor of a planet have this much time?


ScienceMarc

She likely has fewer executive responsibilities than human leaders, with a lot of the work delegated. Her job may center more on foreign relations rather than domestic issues and with the war on she doesn't exactly have very much occupying her time. Her most pressing concern would be keeping good relations with Earth, which is arguably what she's doing, hanging out with Earth's ambassador all day. The responsibilities and powers of the governorship have never been expanded on so I'm just hypothesizing. Some governments have a separation between head of state and head of government.


102bees

Also she's probably on light duties while she recovers from her injury.


Namel909

yay sss glim is gona be one usefull one, once he sees the things the right way XD open his mind XD sss


WillGallis

Aaaaaaand it backfired. Probably spectacularly. Should have just gone with the truth... Thanks for the chapter mate


pampanope

I’ve got no constructive comment to add other than AFAGSHSHS SHE CALLED NOAH ‘MY BELOVED’ AAAAAAAH Thanks again for a new chapter!


the_elliottman

Another episode of Noah and Sara acting as possibly the worst candidates / ambassadors for humanity. I like their flaws driving the story, but honestly it's crazy these two are allowed anywhere near other aliens. At this point, I think Tyler 'the meat eater' might even be better. He seems to vibe with most other aliens when he isn't trying to kill them.


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Fexofanatic

in today's clusterfuck, we learn why it was a terrible idea to let your predator friends help in the rehab effort for traumatised death camp victims :) like shipping kz survivors to switzerland


Killian_Gillick

As soon as the chapter begun i was gonna type “they better have medical personnel with tranquilizer shots nearby, less glim wisens up, ditches the hospital and creates an armed uprising thinking their world got invasion of the body snatchers’d... Yeah, another counter insurgency subplot, comedy comes in Threes!


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AverageKrupukEnjoyer

Is it just me or I REALLY hope that something goes right for humanity atleast once 💀