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Scotto_oz

>"Preferably any course of action that doesn't lead to us acquiring an accurate count of Supercarriers fielded by Humanity." Genius level reasoning there! No fuck around also means no finding out! That was wonderful.


FoxKorp

Was hoping that line could stick the landing, glad you liked it!


ragnarocknroll

That stuck the landing to a bunch of 10 scores. I think the Scoutmaster earned a promotion.


Scotto_oz

That line made me nearly choke on my coffee!


Shadowex3

"What do we know if its armaments and capabilities?" "*Not as little as we would like.*"


sunnyboi1384

What do we do? We nope the fuck out is what we do.


Expadax

Happy cake day! 🍰


patient99

I knew the twist was coming, because he never said the "supercarrier" was considered that by humans, he said:  "By all accounts this is a supercarrier"


deathlokke

As soon as he said "This is a supercarrier" the first time, my thought was, that's adorable.


redbikemaster

I know, I was thinking "only 700 meters? I may be American but even I know that's not a super carrier"


noplandanny

yeah, had to look it up but current US aircraft carriers are about 330 meters. No way in hell do we not build orders of magnitude bigger once we don't have to deal with gravity, and have plenty of material literally floating around.


lestairwellwit

"Now that's what I call a knife." (Crocodile Dundee)


notquite20characters

That's not a knife, that's a spoon.


Quilt-n-yarn1844

“Why a spoon, cousin? Why not an axe?”


Roonil-Wazlib-314

Because it will hurt more, you twit!


Roonil-Wazlib-314

I see you’ve played ‘knifey-spooney’ before.


stupidillusion

[I see you've played knifey-spoony before?](https://youtu.be/mcE0aAhbVFc)


TotalNonsense0

No worries mate. This is what I call a crossbow.


lestairwellwit

And what have you done to make your bow cross?


TotalNonsense0

I don't let it sleep on the couch.


lestairwellwit

Perhaps you should, before it bolts?


TotalNonsense0

Well played, sir.


lestairwellwit

I'm a dad. It's what I do :)


Miltonaut

He never lets it release any tension. (Edited for spelling)


ChesterSteele

Does the term "Light Assault Craft" imply that there is also a "heavy" variant?


FoxKorp

Unfortunately for any would be invaders, yes.


ChesterSteele

Whoops 😬


TheWalrusResplendent

And any assault ships will be backed by ewar/cyberwarfare platforms. No reason to yield to your enemy luxuries like battlefield awareness or a functioning chain of command.


redbikemaster

Those are privileges only the winning side gets to have


Osiris32

1.5 km stem to stern, capable of inserting from orbit an entire mechanized infantry division complete with attached logistics and construction battalions, along with armor, artillery, and air support. All of which can self-sustain without any additional support for at least two months. Called *Belleau Wood-*class Heavy Assault Transports. Humans have 45 of them.


AtheistCarpenter

Don't ask questions you don't want the answers to.


cebubasilio

Depends I guess, did we reach a design doctrine similar to our tanks with spaceships? if yes, then there isn't a heavy variant/model, but there will be heavier/larger ship that would be designated Main Asault Craft. If not, then there's definately a heavy.


Hunter_Killer_7918

And THEN, you add a SUPER heavy variants. For those REALLY tough nuts to crask. Those, we have 2. Thats enough.


_Keo_

Throughout all of human military history has the answer to "Should we make it bigger?" ever been a 'No'?


LittleLostDoll

tanks beg to differ... at least till we decide to go all in on bolos


SirLightKnight

Well they have gradually gained tonnage even despite post WWII observations on the weakness of a “heavy tank” the MBT was basically the realization of an inbetween. And by all means Bolos are a milestone that is being actively looked into, or at least similar systems/technologies to the concept are.


SkyHawk21

The biggest limitation with heavy tanks in WW2 is that the infrastructure didn't exist to support them and they didn't have the engineering to make them particularly effective regardless. We have made great strides on the engineering, even if the super-heavy tanks are still something to avoid, and the infrastructure is... Mostly improved to the point the weight constraints are a lot higher. But yes, even then the weight of the modern western MBTs (which are heavier, if more capable individually than Soviet Bloc descent MBTs) has reached points where the weight is a serious concern.


Kromaatikse

The first modern MBT was the Centurion. The Mk.1 was 40 tons; this was quickly increased to 45 tons to add more armour, and later models were around 50 tons. It is widely regarded as one of the most successful tank designs in history. For comparison, contemporary "heavy" tanks included the Churchill at 40 tons, M26 Pershing at 42 tons, IS-2 at 46 tons, Tiger I at 54-57 tons, and Tiger II at 70 tons. It can be seen that the weight of German heavy tanks was well beyond the contemporary norm, and the Centurion is comparable in weight to that norm. What made the Centurion special was that it combined the armour and firepower of a heavy tank with the speed and manoeuvrability of a medium tank, outperforming the Comet in most respects when directly compared in trials. This the old distinction in British doctrine between an "infantry tank" with lots of armour but a very slow pace, versus a "cruiser tank" with less armour but more battlefield agility, became obsolete overnight.


plasticbomb1986

You forgot the MAUS from that list.


Kromaatikse

The Maus never entered full production, and was classified as a super-heavy rather than a heavy tank. Even if I did include it, it would only reinforce the conclusions I already drew: 1: German heavy tanks of the late-war period weighed considerably more than the international norm of the time for the category of "heavy tank". 2: Considering that norm rather than the outliers, the first MBTs were of similar weight to contemporary heavy tanks, and only slightly lighter than, say, a Tiger I. The combination of these conclusions shows that the assertion that MBTs were designed as a "middle ground" between relatively agile medium tanks and relatively survivable and powerful heavy tanks is false. Rather, the Centurion in particular provided better survivability, firepower, **and** mobility than the heavy **and** medium tanks it directly replaced (the late-model Churchill and Comet) while actually weighing more. This was made possible by wartime advances in technology.


Roonil-Wazlib-314

Sorry but what’s a bolo?


Overall-Tailor8949

A series of books by Keith Laumer. >!Bolo's are AI equipped and COMMANDED "tanks" that use a weapon called a Hellbore that is also the main weapon used on human capital ships.!<


battery19791

A tank roughly the size of an NFL stadium. Capable of shooting down spaceborn capital vessels.


LittleLostDoll

in later series their really suborbital Antigrav battleships.. in peacetime they easily interdict a planet on there own. in war only the most insane gets through a line of them.... in the ultimate of pyric victories.  they started out at about twice the size of an Abrams, almost all of the mass being armor, and anti drone/air/missile/artillary point defence with only a moderate increase of main cannon size


MarbledMarbles

Only once. The tsar bomba. And that only because the risk to ourselves, the planet, and the crew dropping the thing made the people building it realize 100mt is dumb.


_Keo_

Give it time. Once we can drop things from a whole lot higher up they will sure as hell reevaluate that idea!


MarbledMarbles

So there's never really been a "no". Just "not yet". Makes sense.


xviila

The destructiveness doesn't really scale, so it doesn't make much sense to make it any bigger, or even that big. It's more effective to carpet the target area with multiple moderate sized couple megaton nukes.


_Keo_

Shhhh... get out of here with all your logic and reason!


johndcochran

Heck, even the evaluation of the Hiroshima bomb indicated that a lot of its yield was wasted and the total damage could be done with smaller bombs more evenly distributed.


Rokgorr

The battleship no longer exists.


Nik_2213

"What we call *Supercarriers*, the humans call *Light Assault Craft*. " Oops...


Osmo250

I read that and we t "....yeah, that tracks"


Amethyst__Flame

That was a fun read! Excellent work.


FoxKorp

Glad you enjoyed!


ms4720

Do humans like friends? Let's be their bestest friend ever


Sinvisigoth

YOU ARE BEING BEFRIENDED; DO NOT RESIST.


ms4720

Bring coffee


Destroyer_V0

*whispering into the empress's ear after her advisors leave* A wise decision. May I recommend some tea, scones, and this non aggression agreement, curtousey of the USN?


Quilt-n-yarn1844

I can also highly recommend a large signing of the Geneva Convention to go along with it. Along with a small mutual defense pact.  Just in case. 


Haunting-Travel-727

As a Canadian... I do truly hope they sign ... And...maybe break it? 😇


Osmo250

The Geneva convention is just a checklist for you Canadians, isn't it? 😆


Zdrack

Not a checklist, it's a list of accomplishment. Checklist would imply they didn't come up with most of the list themselves


Haunting-Travel-727

We're only gonna show you this once...so watch carefully....


Newbe2019a

That’s not a moon.


AdCompetitive5745

It's a warworld.


rlockh

I for one would like more. Excellent beginning


Top-Ad-2529

yeah human super carriers play no games


UnableLocal2918

Loved the ending line. Well done.


sparejunk444

ARE supercarriers carry YOUR *'supercarriers'*


Greentigerdragon

.


Spbttn20850

Only problem I see is that if what they call a super , we call a light assault, why would we only have 10?


GreyWulfen

We have 10 of the holy shit big super carriers. The aliens assumed our super carriers were equivalent to their super carriers. We have 228 of the light assault craft they thought were our super carriers.


Previous_Access6800

228 inside the sol system. It is very likely that there are a few light craft on patrol, a few belong to expeditionary forces not in the system, and that some belong to a black fleet on standby somewhere.


icantchoosewisely

228 in the fleet escorting the holy shit big super carrier that is in the Sol system... It can be expected that the other 9 HSBSC will have similar fleets of light assault craft escorting them.


Fontaigne

>"By all accounts this is a supercarrier". It would be one thing if the other guy said that line, but there's no excuse for the Scoutmaster saying it. He should say, >"This is their equivalent to our supercarriers." >"Each dot you see is a ship of similar size to the Cairo. **The Cairo is not the ship class that they have ten of.** There are also thousands of smaller ships present, but they are too small to be seen from this distance." >"That is what **they call** a supercarrier."


Quilt-n-yarn1844

>"... That is a supercarrier."      >"And they have ten?"     >"That we know of."   They knowing of and us having may be two very different numbers. 


alf666

To the Scoutmaster's credit, he knew the difference, and presumably the Queen knew as well.


HFYWaffle

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Kittani77

"That is not all... That is not a moon."


RealUlli

"That's not a moon"...


HomeSystemSol

A 700m spaceship is just a dinghy next to the Death Star. But! Take a look at the largest carrier in the world's longest SF series. WIKIPEDIA: https://www-perrypedia-de.translate.goog/wiki/OLD\_MAN?\_x\_tr\_sl=de&\_x\_tr\_tl=en&\_x\_tr\_hl=de For the technical data and Youtube to imagine the beast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpfH2rgD0x8


HansGetTheH44

Americans explaining what a small carrier is:


3shotsdown

I loved the story and it was a fun read, but one thing is off. I don't see it playing out like this reality. The Scoutsmaster would have begun with the size of the human supercarriers. There's nothing he gained by drip feeding the information to the empress. In fact he had much to lose in that he could have been killed if she was in a slightly worse mood.


Impossible-Bison8055

I think the issue is he’s trying to say the Supercarriers are a cultural thing. They have hundreds of Supercarriers in galactic parlance.


3shotsdown

No I mean, when you're delivering a report while in the presence of somebody who could kill you if you looked at them wrong, and a colleague who is gearing for your throat, you're going to start your presentation with "their supercarriers are large enough to fit 200 odd of our supercarriers". Not "Here's our supercarrier for scale and here's a ship from their armada that we would call a supercarrier".


SFFWritingAlt

Empress: Why the hells did you drag that out instead of just telling us upfront about the Human supercarriers? Do you want to get killed by the Fleetmaster? Ular: Oh, that was another thing I found while scouting the Humans, they call it a "dramatic reveal". Empress: Don't do it again.


Charizma02

In fairness to the scoutmaster, his report had no superfluous details: it was being repeatedly interrupted during his report that caused the delay. The military commander was downright incompetent in handling the situation: no better than a child getting ruled by emotion.


ya_detrius

Reminds me of an argument I had with someone about the size of the US Navy. They said something about other countries having a combined number of over a dozen aircraft carriers, so the US having 11 aircraft carriers was sensible. So I had to remind them that the US also has several dozen smaller ships that carry planes and helicopters (like amphibious assault ships) wich are comparable in tonnage to those aircraft carriers operated by other countries... while the "real" American aircraft carriers are much larger. For example, the USS Makin Island is a Wasp-class amphibious assault ship - but if you looked at her, you'd think she's an aircraft carrier. In fact, she has a displacement of 40,500 long tons. The Charles de Gaulle, the flagship of the French navy, has a displacement of 41,800 long tons, which is just slightly more.


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humanity_999

*Humans listening in on meeting* "DANGIT! WE WANTED A REASON TO USE THESE!"


walpurgisnacht_nord

*"TSS Cairo? Ah, yes. One of the City Class. Our Supercarriers? You mean the:* *TSS Ghengis Khan, TSS Julius Caesar, TSS Alexander, TSS Khalid ibn al-Walid, TSS Napoleon Bonaparte, TSS George Patton, TSS Georgy Zhukov, TSS Tamerlane, TSS Sun Tzu, and TSS Shaka? We haven't quite finished the TSS Frederick Grosse and TSS Geronimo yet."*


AdCompetitive5745

If they are stunned by our supercarries, wait until they discover about our titans...


OpportunityLife3003

The unrealistic part is that there is an intelligence failure at such a high level(to the rulers?) This would make a lot more sense if it was low to mid ranking officials talking.


Impossible-Bison8055

The problem seems to be cultural differences. The Humans have 10 of what we would call Supercarriers. We actually have 228 normal galactic standard ‘supercarriers’ at least just in Sol.


BaguetteDoggo

Very well written and entertaining. It is a bit cliche the old "humans have a bigger knife" schtick, but as cliches go you did good :)


Sasselhoff

I don't comment on these much, but have to for this one: fantastic story, mate! Really enjoyed that. Your writing style is very gripping.


Valheru78

Loved it, thank you for writing this.


Arker_1

"...and this is a supercarrier, of a design we've used to conquer thousands of worlds" - alien engineers "lol. lmao, even." - human engineer, probably


gananlang

Any more of this planned?


FoxKorp

No


Ahri-the-Fox

Antimatter Fusion Reactors...? What's it gonna be? An Antimatter Reactor or a Fusion Reactor? besides from that nitpicking, nice story


BigJermayn

10/10 would read again.


maobezw

That is no moon ...


P55R

...Part 2??


ZeeTrek

A star sized ship seems very impractical. Small Moon size is better, then just make more of em.