Don't discount or judge Sacajawea too harshly.
While I admit that I didn't see this coming (Yay fugue state writing) I also know that there are still more reveals.
And remember, over the course of the series, we saw that the Immortals and the Biological Apostles were flawed.
Humanly flawed.
Give her a chance.
Of course we’ll give her a chance! So excited to hear her story. It sounds like she was supposed to be the one to get the OG immortals into the SUDS right? To “guide their way” so because she left, they couldn’t get in to do the job the DO assembled them to do, and the DO was killed, preventing any sort of plan B.
I can only imagine a Leader who demanded they stay primitives forever because according to her "that is the way". What happened to those who thought differently and wanted more after a few thousand years? What happened when the first printing press was invented or did she prevent them from ever developing that far a.k.a lord of Light/Zelazny. Where were her equals like a warrior caste or elders to help her? She had to do it all because she is the kind that would never let anyone become her equal and would rather they die than have them fall from "her" chosen path and control. You know the kind, the mother who would kill her kids or let them die to spite the father or allow the kids to see him in a good light.. Getting a Harmonious Cluster Systems vibe from this one. Even Darth may feel it and have to come set things right with this immortal. Bet her people weren't even SUDS up with implants.
Ralts has a tough road ahead redeeming this one. Maybe the glitch caused her to be unable to call for aid or her pleas were unanswered and were unheard and that would explain her anger towards Legion/Terrans until she realizes the glitch was of her own making. She is going to have a hard time of it when she realizes the Margite were there to eat/refuel and not because of her peoples little technology. And if she didn't call for aid and would rather her people die than be found by the Terrans or require the aid of "the enemy" she is one evil bitch. Looking forward to seeing how she is redeemed but I can definitely see how she is relevant to our current woke times.
Considering the other Sacajawea was created by Dhruv/Luke and even in love, he would not have changed her too much I feel? Hell, I want to say at all but I can't help but feel there might have been a bit of accidental alterations just from his emotions twisting the outcome because that is exactly something which occurs in this setting even if you arent immensely potent psykers.
The original Sacajawea has the same greatest in her as she who saw the rise of the Sky Nebula Alignment. She was merely never placed in a situation which would see her grow from her trauma rather than be buried under it. Even less so than the other Immortals for they seemed to be making progress when humanity decided it was in the wrong direction, and thus piled on unending quantities more.
This is her second Trial. She has lived through the consequences of running from yourself and danger in this malevolent universe. Will she rise to the sky this time, once more bury herself in the dust or find another path that may be greater or lesser?
Everyone gets a chance. It doesn't matter how badly you fucked up. Everyone deserves one.
Everyone deserves a chance to learn from their mistakes.
It doesn't mean you forgive the mistakes, sometimes they are too big to forgive. But it does mean you give them a chance to learn. Even if it is without you as a friend. But that doesn't mean you are an enemy either.
There but for the grace of God goes I. And that is all that needs to be remembered. We all make mistakes.
Only the best of us learn how to be better from those mistakes.
Tiffany-jawea seems like someone who really got a bit of a martyr complex in life that went to her head, even in death. Wanting to be something of the Great Savior and reviving an ancient, lost tradition, or at least a good approximation of it.
A mixture of desire to help but mixed with pride and myopic vision on one culture. However the fact that she did, apparently, create a happy place to live that lasted 6,000 years means she was definitely doing something right. Or horrible.
She's definitely got room to grow as a person, though it might be a challenge and painful for her at times since a lot of her views that will be challenged will almost certainly have ossified due to her age. Like her holding out on the location on where her people were.
That being said (and going with my previous points) Ma'am, I understand you're still grieving but please take a moment to consider the time scales involved! By the timescale you gave: the Mar-Gite ate you 900 years before they invaded the Orion arm. You were the first humans they munched on and that was on the scale of over 40 millennia ago. The Mar-Gite basically eat/infest planets so any ruins are going to be long gone. If there are any graves to desecrate they're statistical anomalies as those planets have been margaformed. No wonder Legion was getting so upset at you being so uptight.
From what I remember Legion was politely asked to fix all the shit and he mostly did while being a smug prick about it, Daxin got off his ass and reminded everyone why he should be left alone, Kibuka died after serving his role faithfully, Bellona brought the fury of the black fleet when and where it was needed, Marco made an oopsey you could really only make when you're trying to fix heaven, Mathias never really had a chance till the end, Guanya wanted nothing to do with anything and left, Kalki had a slight temper problem and too many planet crackers, Menhit seemed really detached from it all give me some of whatever she was smoking
Honestly can't blame Sacajawea for leaving and trying for a peaceful. Conveniently she had someone willing to do the heavy lifting of covering for her. Shame she had to learn the hard way.
Recovery from a genocide years after the fact when knowledge of your culture, language and traditions has been actively suppressed for generations is s tough road for those that remain.
Reconstruction from fragments can lead to hyperfixation and it becoming an identity consuming thing.
I have seen it first hand with the *palawa* (Tasmanian indigenous) people - we were taught for years that they were wiped out... which always came as a shock to me because my grandmother was an Elder.
Some things remained alive, kept secret and handed down... other have to be pieced together from second or third hand accounts of the colonisers.
But the Tiffanys tend to be try-hards, in my experience. Eternally "More Oppressed Than Thou", while living the upper crust life. I am certain that I will turn out to be wrong, given which tale this is I'm reading and the character arc saving throws made thus far, but... I know an obnoxious number of irritating Tiffanys. So she's making my teeth itch, in what I presume is precisely the way Ralts wants them to.
After some reflection, I'm seeing "Sandy, different variant of circumstances."
Both appear to have been spoiled kids that their parents let "go through their phase" with reskinning. Both found a people they fixated on. One had their "hero moment" where a big bad rolled in and they saved the day. The other's fixation didn't have a heroic stand. So they worked in a museum/curio shop on the edge of a town/reservation waiting for their adopted people to wake up and realize they should conform to her idealized vision.
Of course in the second case their town got glassed (trauma), they almost died from rad poisoning (trauma), and a newly minted human melded her with DNA from the people she was fixated on to repair genetic damage (trauma, probably processed as the fulfillment of a prophecy).
The newly (re)minted young adult then had the choice to fight a war and then invade the afterlife to fight another war, or run the hell away from all the bad things and pat herself on the back for saving/guarding her fixation.
One thing I've got to give her credit for is being able to speak the language. None of the Tiffanys I've known knew much about "their tribe" beyond the name of it and why great-grampa moved to Boston in the first place.
But I see no flaws in your theory.
Sacajawea might be a touch unhelpful right now, but she wanted to be a part of something so badly that even after taking a nuke to the face she was going to keep her duty until her last breath. When she fell into the company of people that can literally grant wishes she *still* kept the same objective. And guarded those people for 8k years. And then held off the Mar-Gite for a decade.
Dedicated, stubborn, and very willing to protect people. Her scope was just too narrow to be altruistic and too wide to catch her (a**do**pted) family. Now the first two traits are in overdrive after "losing it all." Hell, from her perspective she's like five minutes removed from watching a lot of people she cares about get eaten. Coherent thought and lack of omnicidal rage are the marks of overachievement at the moment.
But she's a *HIPPIE*! A dirty, tree hugging, whiny, unreliable, responsibilty-shirking, nepo-baby of a *hippie*.
But, this is Ralts Bloodthorne's First Contact where no non disposable character is as they first seem. This will probably be the most impressive character development yet. At least I hope so, because I've never hated a new characters guts this much before.
Worse I think. She's an Indian LARPer. 1/2048th Shoshone or something and more native than the natives. She doesn't even actually look like that it seems.
It takes all sorts
All creeds
All races
All species
All political affiliations
All religions
For **The Pack** is stronger together
Indivisible in the eyes of the Gods
One **Great Tool** of the ***Malevolent Universe! .***
And don't *you* forget it
Childish statement. I mean I get the sentiment but that's patently false. Some Ideologies and Political Affiliations are simply incompatible.
Look at the Unified Council
Or the traditional Mantid government
Or the Wemterran
Or any of the other Political Systems that the Terran Confederacy had to rearrange with a bayonet.
Blindy accepting all viewpoints and Ideologies while compromising your own beliefs purely for inclusion will destroy the pack faster than any military action.
Childish... CHILDISH !! HUH
Heard of this new fangled concept called Darwinism?
You do go by NaturalSelection so I assume you have some knowledge.....
Every part has a function. Mother nature stretches our DNA to its limits so that there is great variation in a species. This is to ensure at least some survive all probable conditions and events to come.
The same is true with politics and political systems. When conditions change, the strongest in the moment survives. In the future, the survivor's splinter into new factions and new creeds to gamble on the next filtering event to make them the winners.
And so the species as a whole is best as a conglomerate of opposing parts.
Why do you think the precursors and the Margite with their overlords, the Boogers, are all termed ***one trick ponies*** ? It is because they are essentially one single monolithic entity that will shatter, like a diamond, when the correct pressure is applied.
The basis of the ideology of darwinism is that nature will move beyond undesirable traits in times of stress by killing off every being with those traits, implying that not all Ideologies are required to promote a healthy society, only good ones.
Tiffany isn't a survivor. The only reason Tiffany isn't dead with he rest of the hippies is the Religious/SUDs trickery wouldn't let her die. Which I find ironic as I personally don't believe in evolution is a realistic theory.
If she can evolve beyond her inferior ideology now that she's been given a second chance is to be determined.
Agreed.
Tiffany is either a trauma twisted person who tried to create an acceptable reality to sooth said trauma, or a spoilt brat who likes things her own way.
On the other hand that is the beauty of the SUDS. Not only does it prolong life through rebirth, but it also gives a being the chance to contemplate the decisions, attitudes, and beliefs that led to needing to be reborn in the first place.
Extended evolution in action.
Legion has now learned that protecting people from the consequences of their actions by interfering with the SUDS can have unintended consequences. I bet he will contemplate things more deeply before doing so again.
Just to add a comment regarding **good** traits for survival. What is good for one filtering stress event may be just as bad for the next. This is why the elominated slot in the traits will be filled by a splinter group of the survivors in due course just in case the trait that was bad last time turns out to be good next time.
>Tiffany is either a trauma twisted person who tried to create an acceptable reality to sooth said trauma, or a spoilt brat who likes things her own way.
I think it's a combination of both. Legion mentioned knowing what she looked like before the skin job, which had to have happened before they found her looking like an American Indian. The glassing certainly didn't help her mentally.
Well, hippies made some great music, that still inspires today. And probably inspired you. And they offered a new market to agile companies. (I don't know of hippies who ran major companies, but I suspect there were some.) Not great arguments, but the hippy attitude influenced a lot of changes.
I mean, yeah.
In Real Life?
yeah no. Not every viewpoint is valid. Not every creed deserves to exist. I don't need to list all the things that we know, from a moral standpoint, are simply wrong and their existence should be purged from reality.
["You gotta respect everyone's beliefs."](https://imgur.com/gallery/gejMtlx)
No, You don't. That's what gets us in trouble.
You have to _acknowledge_ everyone's beliefs.
And then you have to reserve the right to go "That's fucking stupid, are you kidding me?!"
-Patton Oswalt
Not a hippie, just a touch unreasonably attached to a culture and way of life she saw threatened - if not outright erased - by modernisation, globalisation and, you know, interstellar war.
She did not want her people to merly *persist*, but to retain their own identity. Whether she stifled their own further development is not entirely clear.
Yeah hippie isn't the best word, but it's the closest I can think of to describe her type.
'her people' were a bunch of clones made to larp as a failed society that she became a proponent of, probably through too much time and money without enough adversity in her life. Being a complete moron with subsequent mental trauma may explain her actions but does not excuse them.
The hypocrisy of condemning high tech and using it to keep the 'old ways' on life support at the same time is galling.
Hopefully the last events on her life were enough to shock her into comprehending that there might be a better way to do things and her god complex won't help.
> "It was assumed to be still prevented by the cloning systems," Vice-Admiral Breakheader stated slowly. "We have only recently been restored ourselves. Less than two months time."
>
> Legion just smiled.
"Look, Uriel, I *swear* we absolutely did not put on our blue suede shoes and then proceed to positively **stomp** on your feet. We fucked up. I get that. But it was truly a mistake rather than malevolence."
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> Terrans were universally half-crazy.
>
> And a Terran arguing with clones of himself was probably full blown crazy.
Naahhh. **That** motherfucker is like, ***triple*** crazy.
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Dayum, boss. In the interest of amity within the community I will refrain from expressing my opinions regarding the subtext of this chapter. I agree with what you seem to be expressing, but it would be impolite of me to comment on the phenomenon described in this forum.
But ... strong chapter. Hella strong chapter.
We are human
Flawed
Each have fears to face
Fears to hide
Each have lies to tell
Others, and ourselves
There are dream we mold
Dreams that mold us
To reconcile our parts
To hide the lies
To justify the dreams
Stories are told
Onto ourselves
When others disagree, we argue
Even fight, or take flight
And so it continues
Unless we are forced to look in the mirror
To face our distorted souls
To see who we truly are
Admit our flaws
Step back from our petty lives
To be more of who we truly are
Then...
Then we get our chance to be truly great
What makes the immortals special? What makes them truly wise?
They are surely flawed but do they learn from their mistakes.
Think how many mistakes a wise man may make in his life, each one a lesson, a reminder, a scar. And now consider the life of an immortal, lifetimes upon lifetimes of mistakes. Each one must be lived with and must be learned from as for them even death is no escape.
The only real difference between them and us, aside from the immortality and power, is the mountain of mistakes they stand upon.
So you are trying to tell me that I was too quick to judge Rachel Dolezal and one day one of her descendants could serve a potential Digital Omnimessiah in some capacity ? Ok, I will give her chance, but fool me once , you know how it goes.
Great story, love how you always take it into a new unexpected directions but still give fan service when required. Hope you your families health only gets better.
Just saw Papa Meats video about Trustafarians and think Sacajawea is exactly such a person. I think getting killed by the Mar-gite was too nice for her.
I see why she made that choice, and I can hardly condemn it. People sometimes do dumb things for dumb reasons while having good intentions (although the costs they are willing to pay for those intentions may be horrendous).
Just took her getting hit over the head with family drama and literal genocide. Even Humanity has to relearn a lesson occasionally, even the Clinically Immortal.
That said, I think she needs to get over herself. There's bigger shit to address, and it's not like the Mar-gite *left* graves to mourn at. She is the only tombstone her people have, to our knowledge.
So Legion, originaly an unexceptional clone part of a batch of millions other identical clones, will not let anyone repeat the past and create a brainless identical clone army, no matter the purpose. If you try, Legion pays you a surprise visit, the bad kind of surprise.
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Wary be the businessman, who wishes to create a disposable workforce to satisfy his greed
Wary be the conqueror, who wishes to create an army to satisfy his bloodlust
Wary be the proud one, who wishes to create mindless followers to satisfy his need to adulation
Wary be the lazy, who wishes to create endless servitors to satisfy his sense of sloth
Wary be he, who would abuse the cloning systems for his own good without care or humanity towards his creations for such folly invites only divine retribution.
Wary be he, for no matter his original intention or the righteousness of his endeavour, he will only find Legion, and They are many.
Holy scriptures found written in blood in various destroyed cloning facilities, Age of Imperium
"Our little band of siblings, only Kalki, Gravity, and Daxin came from families that did not order one of me from an online catalogue."
NEWS FLASH
"Vuxten may have owned a Legion clone as a slave. Click to read more!"
- Intergalatical Interrogator, All the Innuendo, All the Time
Time to deploy this.
https://imgur.com/a/nova-wars-bingo-start-point-chapter-62-nbVbxRJ
I don't think I can check anything off from this chapter, but I'm looking forward to Bingo
> "I had hoped that it was that version, my version, the version I had been madly in love with, [...] I had hoped, when I saw you, that you were her."
> "But it's just you."
oof, "came back wrong," but they actually came back right, and the one they loved was actually the imperfect recreation.
So, it seems the Malevolent Universe has decided that Jaskel is to forever have shit that isn't his fault rain down on him from great heights. Hanging upside down in the air by an Immortal wasn't even the worst, witnessing a family squabble is bad enough, but I'm sure command has a fun new way to get him and his men killed after that. Nothing like some forward scouting into dead Terran worlds to make up realize your mortality.
So, Sacajawea seems to be the only Immortal who hasn't been forced, kicking and screaming, to grow up and move beyond their past and it's horrors and mistakes. All the other got healing during First Contact, but she got glitched the first time the Mar gite came to play and didn't get any of that. Well, they have the kicking and screaming started, so lets hope some healing comes with it. That will likely cost just as much blood as the rest though. Let's hope she's less of a stubborn jackass than Daxin.
>Sacajawea seems to be the only Immortal who hasn't been forced, kicking and screaming, to grow up and move beyond their past and it's horrors and mistakes.
So far. So far.
Jaskel a marine, the universe raining on him is perfectly normal and if it's not raining on him then something is going very wrong.
I guess being locked in a room with your siblings and killing them doesn't work is a good way to work out some frustrations.
Jaskel is in the second pupal stage
He was just ordinary
Now he is the butt of the Immortal joke
Tomorrow he will have respect of peers for being so close to the Immortals
One day, he, like Vuxten before him, may be with the Immortals
Then, before he knows it, be given the choice to be OF the Immortals
Transformed like a caterpillar to a butterfly
Probably a butterfly carrying big guns and a Rage to serve
But a butterfly nevertheless
Holy shit. **Legion** made a clone of someone without their consent.
Also Sacajawea-1 was our first contact with the Mar-Gite's creators? Looks like someone found them way over there, sent a force to "mop up the primitives," and had a full on panic attack when spears and bows stopped them in their tracks for *ten years.* They made/used the Mar-Gite to finally win the fight.
> "She states that she believes it was the fact that some of her people demanded that high technology be left in place in order to allow the six planets her people had settled to remain in contact. That the high tech farming and sustenance industries led the Mar-gite to attack her."
And then they found out that the primitives had some *shockingly* high technology, and their comm systems sent signals back to another part of the galaxy, as well as to somewhere they probably took a very long time to admit actually might exist. It isn't her *fault* they came this way, but she was the little bird they heard chirping when they were on the hunt.
Of course they probably excreted a brick at the thought of the *primitives* having a stellar empire so far away it would take generations to get there, so they panic-fired their Mar-Gite (worked the first time, works always, guaranteed*) at us. Then panicked again when that straight up failed and they saw what toys we brought to play with. So they sat back and quickly (precursor speed) drew up a plan to actually knock us out, which is what we're looking at now.
I don't think he made the clone of her. Whatever was in the system used the I/O port on the cloning rig that was only open because there was such a mass-cloning going on. Legion saw what was happening with the clones AND with her, and showed up hoping.
Edit: unless you mean the first clone from way back in the day, not the current clone.
Ok, well this was…. Eye opening. She’s a Tiffany? Oh then I can just imagine where she came from. We shall see where this goes.
Jaskel needs to be the the unintentional and unwilling lurker for the *Grey Lady.* He doesn’t want to be there. He doesn’t want to know all these things. But the Malevolent Universe has other plans and an ironic sense of humor. Sooo Jaskel is and he does. He’ll turn into Sgt Shultz. “I know NoTHing! NOTHING!!”
The irony of that character being that he knew more then anyone.
Thank you Ralts.
A ‘Tiffany’ is a woman, almost invariably white, who latches on to an idea or group of people with an almost religious fervor. Usually, she’s more fervent about the idea/culture she latches on to that the actual PEOPLE involved with it. She also almost invariably hyperfocuses on her own skewed idea of “the Truth” that it drives everyone else away.
Ah Hypocrisy; Tiffany is thy name, futility your surname and burying your head in the sand like an ostrich is what you do best.
Unknown Immortal, Unknown era
I could start a war of words,
But the falicy of being tolerant of all is only shown when that which should never been tollarated rears its ugly face. All value is balanced by the life that objectively views it.
When staring down a bear, that is not hungry, and does not perceive you as a threat. You tend to be humbled. Because they tend to simply ignore you.
Therefore not only is your 'objective' critique of my response fundamentally skewed. It begs to question what you value. Because Value is a choice.
LMAO so Sacajawea is a cosplayer and a Rachel Dolezal who literally abandoned the actual Native Americans to go play Terraria with clones of them? At least Daxin has a reason why he just wants to be left alone after everything that's been done to him. And then got mad when the Margite showed up and ate them all just because hey it turns out having zero planetary defenses also means you're completely undefended if someone wants to wipe all of you out.
Yes, and my theory is she's a non-native who got genemodded and embraced a Native identity, to the point of even denying any modernity, including in language. Hence why Dhruv/Legion kept telling her she needed to speak in Confed standard, since he knows she can speak it.
Wow less than a minute I think. UTR! THIS IS THE WAY. Also raltsberries taste delicious.
EDIT: whoa holy shit. Okay so many revelations. Poor Jaskel 😂 I wouldn’t wanna be in that room either. Dude could’ve been killed with a wave of Legions finger and now he’s sitting there eating while legions has family drama.
It would be a hilarious running gag if Jaskel just happened to always be around during awkward moments like that with the apostles. The most awkward telkan.
Well, well, well,
The Immortals could do with an *ordinary* straight being to bounce *drama* off.
It might just give them the grounding they need to see themselves from a mortals point of view.
Help them relate to *the ordinary peoples*.
He could either turn into helpful blunt telkan therapist, or smarmy wants nothing to do with it all snarker that seems to always tell them what they need to hear, not what they want to hear.
I see snarky on the future.
Poor sod will be alienated by the jokes and the awe of his soon to be former fellows. That is bound to make anyone irritable and a little vindictive.
He says “hell naw” anytime they come in, legion lifts him up in the air, “hey hold on I need your advice” and proceeds to talk to him/at him totally as if Jaskel isn’t upside down, arms folded, and glaring at Legion
I understand the sentiment but every time I see that little acronym it disgusts me. A work should be judged by its merit, not met with blind devotion before consumption.
I can agree with that for the first few hundred chapters. Around chapter 600 of First Contact (and reading his other works) is when Ralts earned the UTR from me. Until the Raltzberries taste no-longer delicious: UTR this is the way.
Why? Ralts has consistently delivered chapter after chapter IMO excellent storytelling, further if you decide the chapter is not worth the upvote you can always remove it.
I've been thinking that for a bit due to the "I see you." Was just getting around to finding the DO in the nursery scene. Carries some interesting connotations for Pete.
Healing takes time. How does a digital being heal? One could argue by regaining function - memory, recognition, processing, interaction, and finally presence and leadership.
>Jaskel wished he was anywhere but in the dining bay.
The psychic imprint of a Jaskel-shaped hole through walls, bulkheads, a bank of warmeks, and at least four spatial bands. One of the few regions with persistent transit-turbulence.
Jumpspace: "Welcome back! …oh, not quite. That's fine. Feel free to visit whenever!"
In the throws of loss and passion, many mistakes are made. We care not for who you have been, only for whom you choose to become. Be it immortal disciple, the digital omnissiah, or a janitor turned warfather. We care not for who you were when you were born, when you first picked up arms, or ten minutes ago. We only care for whom you choose to be. So choose: the hero, the villain, both, between, or neither.
But know this: you will be in eternal company of those who chose the same. Choose the rest of your existence like a seventeen year old kid from burger land drops billions of credits in their own ritual of choice.
I was wondering what’s been happening in the other arms, probably very nice and non genocidal things right? Surely the rest of the Milky Way isn’t as dense with precursor bullshit and upstarts throwing around nova sparks right?!?
To my previous statement I say nay! The galaxy wouldn’t be fun without anyone to kick around, topple, or liberate!
Herm... spoiled brat it seems, but many use that as a shield and I doubt she will be any different.
Her running seems to be the root problem for much of thr SUDs issues over the years.
Was a Tiffany ever referenced as The Admin for the Suds in the past? If her role was to be a guide in there, she might have been one of the project leads when it was being built!
This Tiffany was never mentioned.
There was a neko marine with that lanky tank gunner who made an ambulance and saved a ton of people.
And a rigellian that witnessed an enraged atrekna dropping off those dudes that had an atrekna memory message implanted in them.
> She knows the dead. She is of the dead. (...) . - The Fifth Horseman, First Terran Imperium, "Meditations Upon Immortals"
Now that's a surprise - and an honor. Praise TerraSol!
If her powers are focused around the themes of Guidance and yet are able to connect 6 relatively close together star systems, it suggests that she is no less potential the any of the others and is she are been part of the War of Heaven as the DS had originally intended she would have taken a role similar to Peel ? The voice of guidance and overwatch, outlining paths, risks, tasks and incoming waves.
I imagine that Sacajawea is one of the main keys to unlocking how the SUDS really works, the main person to be able to directly interface with it, and to know the actual way to it (since trans mats were the hacked way to access it). And that burden, that over reliance on technology, and it being forced upon her, is the reason as to why she has decided to escape from all this, since it hit her breaking point and broke her.
So she retreated beyond the reach of everybody, even Legion, to live her dreams of no one being reliant on technology, but well, the universe had something to say about that good and kind dream.
During the Immperium, it was a decree punishable by dire consequences. These soft days it is but a tradition....
Oh, how I long for the good old days when non-conformers were sent for military duty.
Everyone thinks an enraged Terran is the scariest thing. But there is something worse. There are some of them. A very few, that can focus the rage. Turn the madness into the edge of a blade. Give it purpose. A lemur with insanity of purpose becomes like an oncoming storm. Unstoppable, unbreakable, terrible will made flesh. Just one like that can break worlds and sunder skies.
>"You forget. I could see under that skin job. See who you were born as. I knew the truth, and I've kept it secret for all these eons,"
Makes the cynical side of me wonder if "Tiffany" is one of those (usually) white ladies that has their epiphany about "Oh, the Native Americans are so pure and spiritual! I'm going to start doing their ceremonies!" and basically appropriated their culture so much that she got gene-modded to be more Native. (Modern real life comparison: white people wearing feathers and beads and stuff, and performing Native-ish drum circles and sweat lodge ceremonies)
Alternatively, Tiffany was 1/128 NA but made it her whole personality, to the point of getting a skin job to look more native.
From what is described when Legion 'heals' her in the flashback using genetic material he finds on the artefacts in the museum, I'd guess she started off white but obsessed, and his healing her made her genetically native because of that material he used. Which just added to her issues afterwards.
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Unlikely. The computers would at least be able to identify that, even if too much content would be censored to allow for proper translation (too many legacy warfare systems from the age of paranoia, that you really don't want to trigger). Likely a language that's extinct or nearly extinct even in our present day.
See I feel like the fact that the computers couldn't translate it was because it's English as associated with the US or Hamburger Kingdom.
FU England it's our language now. 🤣
Given that the computer isn't even *trying* to translate it...Likely means it was deliberately excluded from the translation software...possibly one of the native tribal languages as a callback to ww2(where native tribal languages were used to pass coded messages)
As pointed out, the translation feature starts building lexicon with only a few words, but by now it's been exposed to far more with zero progress...implying that it won't even try.
So with the suds array damaged by the mantid, and the disaster & mass transporter systems in an unknown state, she was supposed to lead humanity's survivors to the Suds & Atlantis the long way....
The same path Nektati followed thousands of years later.
But she ditched.
Now, roughly 50k years later she gets a chance at redemption.
OK, can someone clue me in on what 'the Scutum-Crux Arm' means in terms of the story? Is there a reference to it previously I've forgotten? Thanks in advance!
Good: Sacajawea - finally a somehow flawed person inside HFY story with some good (protective for own people) but character flaws too.
Shows OP is growing as writer and going away from black and white story characters.
Don't discount or judge Sacajawea too harshly. While I admit that I didn't see this coming (Yay fugue state writing) I also know that there are still more reveals. And remember, over the course of the series, we saw that the Immortals and the Biological Apostles were flawed. Humanly flawed. Give her a chance.
Of course we’ll give her a chance! So excited to hear her story. It sounds like she was supposed to be the one to get the OG immortals into the SUDS right? To “guide their way” so because she left, they couldn’t get in to do the job the DO assembled them to do, and the DO was killed, preventing any sort of plan B.
I can only imagine a Leader who demanded they stay primitives forever because according to her "that is the way". What happened to those who thought differently and wanted more after a few thousand years? What happened when the first printing press was invented or did she prevent them from ever developing that far a.k.a lord of Light/Zelazny. Where were her equals like a warrior caste or elders to help her? She had to do it all because she is the kind that would never let anyone become her equal and would rather they die than have them fall from "her" chosen path and control. You know the kind, the mother who would kill her kids or let them die to spite the father or allow the kids to see him in a good light.. Getting a Harmonious Cluster Systems vibe from this one. Even Darth may feel it and have to come set things right with this immortal. Bet her people weren't even SUDS up with implants. Ralts has a tough road ahead redeeming this one. Maybe the glitch caused her to be unable to call for aid or her pleas were unanswered and were unheard and that would explain her anger towards Legion/Terrans until she realizes the glitch was of her own making. She is going to have a hard time of it when she realizes the Margite were there to eat/refuel and not because of her peoples little technology. And if she didn't call for aid and would rather her people die than be found by the Terrans or require the aid of "the enemy" she is one evil bitch. Looking forward to seeing how she is redeemed but I can definitely see how she is relevant to our current woke times.
How did they spread to six worlds while abandoning technology for the Old Ways?
By being hypocrites.
Considering the other Sacajawea was created by Dhruv/Luke and even in love, he would not have changed her too much I feel? Hell, I want to say at all but I can't help but feel there might have been a bit of accidental alterations just from his emotions twisting the outcome because that is exactly something which occurs in this setting even if you arent immensely potent psykers. The original Sacajawea has the same greatest in her as she who saw the rise of the Sky Nebula Alignment. She was merely never placed in a situation which would see her grow from her trauma rather than be buried under it. Even less so than the other Immortals for they seemed to be making progress when humanity decided it was in the wrong direction, and thus piled on unending quantities more. This is her second Trial. She has lived through the consequences of running from yourself and danger in this malevolent universe. Will she rise to the sky this time, once more bury herself in the dust or find another path that may be greater or lesser?
Everyone gets a chance. It doesn't matter how badly you fucked up. Everyone deserves one. Everyone deserves a chance to learn from their mistakes. It doesn't mean you forgive the mistakes, sometimes they are too big to forgive. But it does mean you give them a chance to learn. Even if it is without you as a friend. But that doesn't mean you are an enemy either. There but for the grace of God goes I. And that is all that needs to be remembered. We all make mistakes. Only the best of us learn how to be better from those mistakes.
As long as you strive for The Pack. If you seek to destroy The Pack, well... There is a limit to second chances
A smart person learns from their own mistakes, a wise person learns from the mistakes of others.
All sapient beings are flawed. Even the Digital Omnimessiah
...Except greenies, right? Or are we about to have a knife fight?
You apparently haven't heard what 2216 said about the gravity field of your mother
"Yo Momma's so big, she has TWO moons orbiting her."
Not any more. The Telkan priests fixed DO right up with a snazzy Telkan patch whipering a podling lullaby throughout his digital soul.
Tiffany-jawea seems like someone who really got a bit of a martyr complex in life that went to her head, even in death. Wanting to be something of the Great Savior and reviving an ancient, lost tradition, or at least a good approximation of it. A mixture of desire to help but mixed with pride and myopic vision on one culture. However the fact that she did, apparently, create a happy place to live that lasted 6,000 years means she was definitely doing something right. Or horrible. She's definitely got room to grow as a person, though it might be a challenge and painful for her at times since a lot of her views that will be challenged will almost certainly have ossified due to her age. Like her holding out on the location on where her people were. That being said (and going with my previous points) Ma'am, I understand you're still grieving but please take a moment to consider the time scales involved! By the timescale you gave: the Mar-Gite ate you 900 years before they invaded the Orion arm. You were the first humans they munched on and that was on the scale of over 40 millennia ago. The Mar-Gite basically eat/infest planets so any ruins are going to be long gone. If there are any graves to desecrate they're statistical anomalies as those planets have been margaformed. No wonder Legion was getting so upset at you being so uptight.
From what I remember Legion was politely asked to fix all the shit and he mostly did while being a smug prick about it, Daxin got off his ass and reminded everyone why he should be left alone, Kibuka died after serving his role faithfully, Bellona brought the fury of the black fleet when and where it was needed, Marco made an oopsey you could really only make when you're trying to fix heaven, Mathias never really had a chance till the end, Guanya wanted nothing to do with anything and left, Kalki had a slight temper problem and too many planet crackers, Menhit seemed really detached from it all give me some of whatever she was smoking Honestly can't blame Sacajawea for leaving and trying for a peaceful. Conveniently she had someone willing to do the heavy lifting of covering for her. Shame she had to learn the hard way.
I could also use a hit off Menhit's pipe.
Hooray for the WordBorg!
Huzzah ! Huzzah ! Huzzah !
Recovery from a genocide years after the fact when knowledge of your culture, language and traditions has been actively suppressed for generations is s tough road for those that remain. Reconstruction from fragments can lead to hyperfixation and it becoming an identity consuming thing. I have seen it first hand with the *palawa* (Tasmanian indigenous) people - we were taught for years that they were wiped out... which always came as a shock to me because my grandmother was an Elder. Some things remained alive, kept secret and handed down... other have to be pieced together from second or third hand accounts of the colonisers.
But the Tiffanys tend to be try-hards, in my experience. Eternally "More Oppressed Than Thou", while living the upper crust life. I am certain that I will turn out to be wrong, given which tale this is I'm reading and the character arc saving throws made thus far, but... I know an obnoxious number of irritating Tiffanys. So she's making my teeth itch, in what I presume is precisely the way Ralts wants them to.
After some reflection, I'm seeing "Sandy, different variant of circumstances." Both appear to have been spoiled kids that their parents let "go through their phase" with reskinning. Both found a people they fixated on. One had their "hero moment" where a big bad rolled in and they saved the day. The other's fixation didn't have a heroic stand. So they worked in a museum/curio shop on the edge of a town/reservation waiting for their adopted people to wake up and realize they should conform to her idealized vision. Of course in the second case their town got glassed (trauma), they almost died from rad poisoning (trauma), and a newly minted human melded her with DNA from the people she was fixated on to repair genetic damage (trauma, probably processed as the fulfillment of a prophecy). The newly (re)minted young adult then had the choice to fight a war and then invade the afterlife to fight another war, or run the hell away from all the bad things and pat herself on the back for saving/guarding her fixation.
One thing I've got to give her credit for is being able to speak the language. None of the Tiffanys I've known knew much about "their tribe" beyond the name of it and why great-grampa moved to Boston in the first place. But I see no flaws in your theory.
I have just coined the term *performative indigenuity*.
So did The Maimed One lol.
Niiiiiice. Yes. That is basically perfect and I am absolutely going to start using it.
Sacajawea might be a touch unhelpful right now, but she wanted to be a part of something so badly that even after taking a nuke to the face she was going to keep her duty until her last breath. When she fell into the company of people that can literally grant wishes she *still* kept the same objective. And guarded those people for 8k years. And then held off the Mar-Gite for a decade. Dedicated, stubborn, and very willing to protect people. Her scope was just too narrow to be altruistic and too wide to catch her (a**do**pted) family. Now the first two traits are in overdrive after "losing it all." Hell, from her perspective she's like five minutes removed from watching a lot of people she cares about get eaten. Coherent thought and lack of omnicidal rage are the marks of overachievement at the moment.
But she's a *HIPPIE*! A dirty, tree hugging, whiny, unreliable, responsibilty-shirking, nepo-baby of a *hippie*. But, this is Ralts Bloodthorne's First Contact where no non disposable character is as they first seem. This will probably be the most impressive character development yet. At least I hope so, because I've never hated a new characters guts this much before.
Worse I think. She's an Indian LARPer. 1/2048th Shoshone or something and more native than the natives. She doesn't even actually look like that it seems.
It takes all sorts All creeds All races All species All political affiliations All religions For **The Pack** is stronger together Indivisible in the eyes of the Gods One **Great Tool** of the ***Malevolent Universe! .*** And don't *you* forget it
Childish statement. I mean I get the sentiment but that's patently false. Some Ideologies and Political Affiliations are simply incompatible. Look at the Unified Council Or the traditional Mantid government Or the Wemterran Or any of the other Political Systems that the Terran Confederacy had to rearrange with a bayonet. Blindy accepting all viewpoints and Ideologies while compromising your own beliefs purely for inclusion will destroy the pack faster than any military action.
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Childish... CHILDISH !! HUH Heard of this new fangled concept called Darwinism? You do go by NaturalSelection so I assume you have some knowledge..... Every part has a function. Mother nature stretches our DNA to its limits so that there is great variation in a species. This is to ensure at least some survive all probable conditions and events to come. The same is true with politics and political systems. When conditions change, the strongest in the moment survives. In the future, the survivor's splinter into new factions and new creeds to gamble on the next filtering event to make them the winners. And so the species as a whole is best as a conglomerate of opposing parts. Why do you think the precursors and the Margite with their overlords, the Boogers, are all termed ***one trick ponies*** ? It is because they are essentially one single monolithic entity that will shatter, like a diamond, when the correct pressure is applied.
The basis of the ideology of darwinism is that nature will move beyond undesirable traits in times of stress by killing off every being with those traits, implying that not all Ideologies are required to promote a healthy society, only good ones. Tiffany isn't a survivor. The only reason Tiffany isn't dead with he rest of the hippies is the Religious/SUDs trickery wouldn't let her die. Which I find ironic as I personally don't believe in evolution is a realistic theory. If she can evolve beyond her inferior ideology now that she's been given a second chance is to be determined.
Agreed. Tiffany is either a trauma twisted person who tried to create an acceptable reality to sooth said trauma, or a spoilt brat who likes things her own way. On the other hand that is the beauty of the SUDS. Not only does it prolong life through rebirth, but it also gives a being the chance to contemplate the decisions, attitudes, and beliefs that led to needing to be reborn in the first place. Extended evolution in action. Legion has now learned that protecting people from the consequences of their actions by interfering with the SUDS can have unintended consequences. I bet he will contemplate things more deeply before doing so again. Just to add a comment regarding **good** traits for survival. What is good for one filtering stress event may be just as bad for the next. This is why the elominated slot in the traits will be filled by a splinter group of the survivors in due course just in case the trait that was bad last time turns out to be good next time.
>Tiffany is either a trauma twisted person who tried to create an acceptable reality to sooth said trauma, or a spoilt brat who likes things her own way. I think it's a combination of both. Legion mentioned knowing what she looked like before the skin job, which had to have happened before they found her looking like an American Indian. The glassing certainly didn't help her mentally.
Well, hippies made some great music, that still inspires today. And probably inspired you. And they offered a new market to agile companies. (I don't know of hippies who ran major companies, but I suspect there were some.) Not great arguments, but the hippy attitude influenced a lot of changes.
They did make some pretty good music I'll give them that.
See, those viewpoints ARE needed. They don't need to CONTINUE to exist mind you, but you can't get the FO without first FA.
I mean in the story yeah, otherwise it would be boring.
I mean, yeah. In Real Life? yeah no. Not every viewpoint is valid. Not every creed deserves to exist. I don't need to list all the things that we know, from a moral standpoint, are simply wrong and their existence should be purged from reality.
["You gotta respect everyone's beliefs."](https://imgur.com/gallery/gejMtlx) No, You don't. That's what gets us in trouble. You have to _acknowledge_ everyone's beliefs. And then you have to reserve the right to go "That's fucking stupid, are you kidding me?!" -Patton Oswalt
Not a hippie, just a touch unreasonably attached to a culture and way of life she saw threatened - if not outright erased - by modernisation, globalisation and, you know, interstellar war. She did not want her people to merly *persist*, but to retain their own identity. Whether she stifled their own further development is not entirely clear.
Yeah hippie isn't the best word, but it's the closest I can think of to describe her type. 'her people' were a bunch of clones made to larp as a failed society that she became a proponent of, probably through too much time and money without enough adversity in her life. Being a complete moron with subsequent mental trauma may explain her actions but does not excuse them. The hypocrisy of condemning high tech and using it to keep the 'old ways' on life support at the same time is galling. Hopefully the last events on her life were enough to shock her into comprehending that there might be a better way to do things and her god complex won't help.
Fuck, she built *The Village*. Ralts channeled M Night Shammalemmon. (I'm not going to look up the correct spelling.)
Yeah you're right. I've never seen it but reading the synopsis it's very similar.
> "It was assumed to be still prevented by the cloning systems," Vice-Admiral Breakheader stated slowly. "We have only recently been restored ourselves. Less than two months time." > > Legion just smiled. "Look, Uriel, I *swear* we absolutely did not put on our blue suede shoes and then proceed to positively **stomp** on your feet. We fucked up. I get that. But it was truly a mistake rather than malevolence." --- > Terrans were universally half-crazy. > > And a Terran arguing with clones of himself was probably full blown crazy. Naahhh. **That** motherfucker is like, ***triple*** crazy. --- Dayum, boss. In the interest of amity within the community I will refrain from expressing my opinions regarding the subtext of this chapter. I agree with what you seem to be expressing, but it would be impolite of me to comment on the phenomenon described in this forum. But ... strong chapter. Hella strong chapter.
At their core. Their still just people. Every last one of them. Are just.. people. Flaws and all
We are human Flawed Each have fears to face Fears to hide Each have lies to tell Others, and ourselves There are dream we mold Dreams that mold us To reconcile our parts To hide the lies To justify the dreams Stories are told Onto ourselves When others disagree, we argue Even fight, or take flight And so it continues Unless we are forced to look in the mirror To face our distorted souls To see who we truly are Admit our flaws Step back from our petty lives To be more of who we truly are Then... Then we get our chance to be truly great
What makes the immortals special? What makes them truly wise? They are surely flawed but do they learn from their mistakes. Think how many mistakes a wise man may make in his life, each one a lesson, a reminder, a scar. And now consider the life of an immortal, lifetimes upon lifetimes of mistakes. Each one must be lived with and must be learned from as for them even death is no escape. The only real difference between them and us, aside from the immortality and power, is the mountain of mistakes they stand upon.
So you are trying to tell me that I was too quick to judge Rachel Dolezal and one day one of her descendants could serve a potential Digital Omnimessiah in some capacity ? Ok, I will give her chance, but fool me once , you know how it goes. Great story, love how you always take it into a new unexpected directions but still give fan service when required. Hope you your families health only gets better.
Considering she does porn now, I don't think you were too quick to judge her.
That just made me go "wait, people want to see her naked?" and looked it up. Per her wiki, onlyfans of her working out and pictures of her feet.
No. No it isn't. I've seen everything.
.... .... .... ...God damnit, humanity.
Ugh, that's part of who popped into my head reading this. That and the (usually) white people running Native sweat lodge ceremonies.
Just saw Papa Meats video about Trustafarians and think Sacajawea is exactly such a person. I think getting killed by the Mar-gite was too nice for her.
I see why she made that choice, and I can hardly condemn it. People sometimes do dumb things for dumb reasons while having good intentions (although the costs they are willing to pay for those intentions may be horrendous).
u/Ralts_Bloodthorne Another fantastic chapter. I've sent you a message on Royal Road I think you might be interested to read.
Just took her getting hit over the head with family drama and literal genocide. Even Humanity has to relearn a lesson occasionally, even the Clinically Immortal. That said, I think she needs to get over herself. There's bigger shit to address, and it's not like the Mar-gite *left* graves to mourn at. She is the only tombstone her people have, to our knowledge.
So Legion, originaly an unexceptional clone part of a batch of millions other identical clones, will not let anyone repeat the past and create a brainless identical clone army, no matter the purpose. If you try, Legion pays you a surprise visit, the bad kind of surprise. \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* Wary be the businessman, who wishes to create a disposable workforce to satisfy his greed Wary be the conqueror, who wishes to create an army to satisfy his bloodlust Wary be the proud one, who wishes to create mindless followers to satisfy his need to adulation Wary be the lazy, who wishes to create endless servitors to satisfy his sense of sloth Wary be he, who would abuse the cloning systems for his own good without care or humanity towards his creations for such folly invites only divine retribution. Wary be he, for no matter his original intention or the righteousness of his endeavour, he will only find Legion, and They are many. Holy scriptures found written in blood in various destroyed cloning facilities, Age of Imperium
"Our little band of siblings, only Kalki, Gravity, and Daxin came from families that did not order one of me from an online catalogue." NEWS FLASH "Vuxten may have owned a Legion clone as a slave. Click to read more!" - Intergalatical Interrogator, All the Innuendo, All the Time
Spoiler: he didn't. Saved you a click.
Did he not? Our clickbait newsfeed autogenerator maybe says otherwise. Click here to find out
Maybe he did! Maybe he didn't! Here's a bunch of twitter comments we scraped about it!
And some unrelated memes...
wondering about the pubvian...
Not They. And HE is Many. The Legion of One afterall...
THat name makes so much more sense now
Time to deploy this. https://imgur.com/a/nova-wars-bingo-start-point-chapter-62-nbVbxRJ I don't think I can check anything off from this chapter, but I'm looking forward to Bingo
Ok, that is PERFECT! I’m In!!!!! And BINGO was his name!!!!
Stop helping Pete
I believe *Quack Quack Motherfuckers* older sibling is *The Silence of the Ducklings*
It's Cavalry not Calvary.
thanks, will update
> "I had hoped that it was that version, my version, the version I had been madly in love with, [...] I had hoped, when I saw you, that you were her." > "But it's just you." oof, "came back wrong," but they actually came back right, and the one they loved was actually the imperfect recreation.
To me this feels like one of the most powerful lines Ralts has dropped in this entire series (series of series?). What a god damn gut punch.
It reminded me of The Fables dynamic between Blue and Hood.
That last line being said either quiet and sad, or sneeringly
So, it seems the Malevolent Universe has decided that Jaskel is to forever have shit that isn't his fault rain down on him from great heights. Hanging upside down in the air by an Immortal wasn't even the worst, witnessing a family squabble is bad enough, but I'm sure command has a fun new way to get him and his men killed after that. Nothing like some forward scouting into dead Terran worlds to make up realize your mortality. So, Sacajawea seems to be the only Immortal who hasn't been forced, kicking and screaming, to grow up and move beyond their past and it's horrors and mistakes. All the other got healing during First Contact, but she got glitched the first time the Mar gite came to play and didn't get any of that. Well, they have the kicking and screaming started, so lets hope some healing comes with it. That will likely cost just as much blood as the rest though. Let's hope she's less of a stubborn jackass than Daxin.
>Sacajawea seems to be the only Immortal who hasn't been forced, kicking and screaming, to grow up and move beyond their past and it's horrors and mistakes. So far. So far.
Jaskel a marine, the universe raining on him is perfectly normal and if it's not raining on him then something is going very wrong. I guess being locked in a room with your siblings and killing them doesn't work is a good way to work out some frustrations.
If it's not raining, it's because it's saving up for a tornado
Somewhere, Vux is cackling about Telkan luck when it comes to the Immortals.
every great Telkan legend starts with our hero meeting a terran
Jaskel is in the second pupal stage He was just ordinary Now he is the butt of the Immortal joke Tomorrow he will have respect of peers for being so close to the Immortals One day, he, like Vuxten before him, may be with the Immortals Then, before he knows it, be given the choice to be OF the Immortals Transformed like a caterpillar to a butterfly Probably a butterfly carrying big guns and a Rage to serve But a butterfly nevertheless
Mothra.
Holy shit. **Legion** made a clone of someone without their consent. Also Sacajawea-1 was our first contact with the Mar-Gite's creators? Looks like someone found them way over there, sent a force to "mop up the primitives," and had a full on panic attack when spears and bows stopped them in their tracks for *ten years.* They made/used the Mar-Gite to finally win the fight. > "She states that she believes it was the fact that some of her people demanded that high technology be left in place in order to allow the six planets her people had settled to remain in contact. That the high tech farming and sustenance industries led the Mar-gite to attack her." And then they found out that the primitives had some *shockingly* high technology, and their comm systems sent signals back to another part of the galaxy, as well as to somewhere they probably took a very long time to admit actually might exist. It isn't her *fault* they came this way, but she was the little bird they heard chirping when they were on the hunt. Of course they probably excreted a brick at the thought of the *primitives* having a stellar empire so far away it would take generations to get there, so they panic-fired their Mar-Gite (worked the first time, works always, guaranteed*) at us. Then panicked again when that straight up failed and they saw what toys we brought to play with. So they sat back and quickly (precursor speed) drew up a plan to actually knock us out, which is what we're looking at now.
Thank you cause I did not put all of that together
I don't think he made the clone of her. Whatever was in the system used the I/O port on the cloning rig that was only open because there was such a mass-cloning going on. Legion saw what was happening with the clones AND with her, and showed up hoping. Edit: unless you mean the first clone from way back in the day, not the current clone.
It's nice to see that Pete isn't the only one who's fucking with the Immortal Systems without knowing what he's doing. --INFORMATION FOLLOWS--
Ok, well this was…. Eye opening. She’s a Tiffany? Oh then I can just imagine where she came from. We shall see where this goes. Jaskel needs to be the the unintentional and unwilling lurker for the *Grey Lady.* He doesn’t want to be there. He doesn’t want to know all these things. But the Malevolent Universe has other plans and an ironic sense of humor. Sooo Jaskel is and he does. He’ll turn into Sgt Shultz. “I know NoTHing! NOTHING!!” The irony of that character being that he knew more then anyone. Thank you Ralts.
what do you mean, a Tiffany? isn't that just a name?
A ‘Tiffany’ is a woman, almost invariably white, who latches on to an idea or group of people with an almost religious fervor. Usually, she’s more fervent about the idea/culture she latches on to that the actual PEOPLE involved with it. She also almost invariably hyperfocuses on her own skewed idea of “the Truth” that it drives everyone else away.
Ah Hypocrisy; Tiffany is thy name, futility your surname and burying your head in the sand like an ostrich is what you do best. Unknown Immortal, Unknown era
R̷̡̡͔̭̊̊̂̈̓̿̈́͐̅̀͜͝͠É̸̅̈́̋̀̓͝Ë̴́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔Ë̴́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔Ě̸̛̃̈́̆͐͌̈́́̒̕ Ě̸̛̃̈́̆͐͌̈́́̒̕Ě̸̢̛̞̙̗̣̮̝̟̃̈́̆͐͌̈́́̒̕͜ͅÉ̸̅̈́̋̀̓͝ R̷̡̡͔̭̊̊̂̈̓̿̈́͐̅̀͜͝͠Ě̴̽̃̂͐̂͂Ë̴́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔Ě̸̛̃̈́̆͐͌̈́́̒̕Ě̸̢̛̞̙̗̣̮̝̟̃̈́̆͐͌̈́́̒̕͜ͅÉ̸̅̈́̋̀̓͝ Ȩ̵̞͎̺̈͂̃̄̂̊̍͋̃̏͆̚͘̚͝͝Ě̸̢̛̞̙̗̣̮̝̟̃̈́̆͐͌̈́́̒̕͜ͅĚ̴͔̬̽̃̂͐̂͂̃́ Ě̸̛̞̙̃̈́̆͐͌̈́́̒̕͜EEË̴̪́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔͘ Ě̸̛̃̈́Ě̴Ë̴̪̻̰͖̺̩̥̖̭̼̥͉͉̥́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔͘Ë̴̪̻̰͖̺̩̥̖̭̼̥͉͉̥́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔͘ Ë̴́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔Ě̸̛̞̙̃̈́̆͐͌̈́́̒̕͜ EÉ̸͙̥̅̈́̋̀̓̑́͂́̒̀͊͝EË̴̪́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔͘Ě̴̽̃̂͐̂͂Ě̴͔̬̽̃̂͐̂͂̃́ R̷̡̡͔̭̊̊̂̈̓̿̈́͐̅̀͜͝͠Ë̴̪̻̰͖̺́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔͘Ě̸̢̛̞̙̗̣̮̝̟̃̈́̆͐͌̈́́̒̕͜ͅÉ̸̅̈́̋̀̓͝ Ě̴̽̃̂͐̂͂Ȩ̵̞͎̺̈͂̃̄̂̊̍͋̃̏͆̚͘̚͝͝E Ë̴̪̻̰͖̺́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔͘Ë̴́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔Ě̴͔̬̰͎͖̲̽̃̂͐̂͂̃́Ě̴͔̬̰͎͖̲̽̃̂͐̂͂̃́Ë̴́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔É̸̅̈́̋̀̓̑́͂́̒̀͊͝ Ě̸̛̞̙̃̈́̆͐͌̈́́̒̕͜E É̸̅̈́̋̀̓͝EË̴̪́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔͘Ě̴̽̃̂͐̂͂Ë̴̪̻̰͖̺̩̥̖̭̼̥͉͉̥́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔͘EĚ̴͔̬̰͎͖̲̽̃̂͐̂͂̃́
I hate you. I hate what you do. But I would be sad if you stopped.
*** ಠಿ_ಠಿ *** ***HOW DARE YOU SIR! ELDRITCH MONSTROSITIES HAVE AS MUCH A RIGHT TO LIVE AS THE REST OF US!***
R̷̊Ě̸̢̛̞̙̗̣̮̝̟̃̈́̆͐͌̈́́̒̕͜ͅÉ̸̅̈́̋̀̓̑́͂́̒̀͊͝R Ě̴̽̃̂͐̂͂Ȩ̵̞͎̺̈͂̃̄̂̊̍͋̃̏͆̚͘̚͝͝Ě̸̢̛̞̙̗̣̮̝̟̃̈́̆͐͌̈́́̒̕͜ͅË̴̪́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔͘Ë̵͂̃̄̂̊͝͝ É̸̅̈́̋̀̓͝Ë̴́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔Ě̴R Ě̴̽̃̂͐̂͂Ë̴́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔Ë̴́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔
Can I tell you a secret? All life has value, but that value varies based on perspective, so your statement is objectively wrong.
I could start a war of words, But the falicy of being tolerant of all is only shown when that which should never been tollarated rears its ugly face. All value is balanced by the life that objectively views it. When staring down a bear, that is not hungry, and does not perceive you as a threat. You tend to be humbled. Because they tend to simply ignore you. Therefore not only is your 'objective' critique of my response fundamentally skewed. It begs to question what you value. Because Value is a choice.
R̷̡̡͔̭̊̊̂̈̓̿̈́͐̅̀͜͝͠Ě̸̢̛̞̙̗̣̮̝̟̃̈́̆͐͌̈́́̒̕͜ͅÉ̸̅̈́̋̀̓̑́͂́̒̀͊͝ R̷̊Ě̴̽̃̂͐̂͂Ȩ̵̞͎̺̈͂̃̄̂̊̍͋̃̏͆̚͘̚͝͝Ě̸̢̛̞̙̗̣̮̝̟̃̈́̆͐͌̈́́̒̕͜ͅË̴̪́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔͘Ë̵͂̃̄̂̊͝͝ É̸̅̈́̋̀̓͝Ë̴́͐̐̉̈́̀͒̔Ě̴
\*points at Aquatic Galaxy\* Get back to work
Is Sacajawea an Aes Sedai? She was doing a lot of sniffing.
At least she wasn't tugging on a braid.
If she is her Tower is nothing but Margite droppings by now.
Oh god, you brought back memories
Better that than the libertarian circle jerk of a Mord-Sith I guess...
LMAO so Sacajawea is a cosplayer and a Rachel Dolezal who literally abandoned the actual Native Americans to go play Terraria with clones of them? At least Daxin has a reason why he just wants to be left alone after everything that's been done to him. And then got mad when the Margite showed up and ate them all just because hey it turns out having zero planetary defenses also means you're completely undefended if someone wants to wipe all of you out.
To me it kinda looks like she fell for the “noble savage” myth.
Yep. Actual Shoshone like weapons.
It's a Brave New World
"Tiffany" is not a very native name.
But Sacajawea is a very famous one.
Yes, and my theory is she's a non-native who got genemodded and embraced a Native identity, to the point of even denying any modernity, including in language. Hence why Dhruv/Legion kept telling her she needed to speak in Confed standard, since he knows she can speak it.
Oh I completely agree.
Wow less than a minute I think. UTR! THIS IS THE WAY. Also raltsberries taste delicious. EDIT: whoa holy shit. Okay so many revelations. Poor Jaskel 😂 I wouldn’t wanna be in that room either. Dude could’ve been killed with a wave of Legions finger and now he’s sitting there eating while legions has family drama.
It would be a hilarious running gag if Jaskel just happened to always be around during awkward moments like that with the apostles. The most awkward telkan.
Well, well, well, The Immortals could do with an *ordinary* straight being to bounce *drama* off. It might just give them the grounding they need to see themselves from a mortals point of view. Help them relate to *the ordinary peoples*.
He could either turn into helpful blunt telkan therapist, or smarmy wants nothing to do with it all snarker that seems to always tell them what they need to hear, not what they want to hear.
I see snarky on the future. Poor sod will be alienated by the jokes and the awe of his soon to be former fellows. That is bound to make anyone irritable and a little vindictive.
He's got Dante vibes. "I'm not even supposed to be here today."
They wanna live like common people? They wanna do what common people do?
Dee and Vux did kind of fill that narrative role. But this is a new storyline now.
What they needs is a proper teenage eye roll at them. "Ugh, old people"
Makes me think of Forrest Gump - always being awkwardly involved during historic moments.
He says “hell naw” anytime they come in, legion lifts him up in the air, “hey hold on I need your advice” and proceeds to talk to him/at him totally as if Jaskel isn’t upside down, arms folded, and glaring at Legion
Lmfao I kinda wanna draw that
So uhhhh did you draw that? Asking for a friend..
No not yet I forgot
Jacket over here like "damn I just wanted some dinner. Not pie and a extinction event"
Upvote Then Read (I believe that's what "utr" means?)
I understand the sentiment but every time I see that little acronym it disgusts me. A work should be judged by its merit, not met with blind devotion before consumption.
Past performance is no guarantee of future results, but it is a great predictor.
I can agree with that for the first few hundred chapters. Around chapter 600 of First Contact (and reading his other works) is when Ralts earned the UTR from me. Until the Raltzberries taste no-longer delicious: UTR this is the way.
So say we all!
Why? Ralts has consistently delivered chapter after chapter IMO excellent storytelling, further if you decide the chapter is not worth the upvote you can always remove it.
Not sure if anyone else has made this guess yet, but I'm beginning to believe that the "small" voice talking to Luke is the Digital Omnimessiah.
It's the sort of thing we read to find out. Because we will find out. The Wordborg does nothing without a purpose.
I've been thinking that for a bit due to the "I see you." Was just getting around to finding the DO in the nursery scene. Carries some interesting connotations for Pete.
I kinda had this thought too. It could be something else.. but the DO hasn't been around for a loooong time.
Healing takes time. How does a digital being heal? One could argue by regaining function - memory, recognition, processing, interaction, and finally presence and leadership.
>Jaskel wished he was anywhere but in the dining bay. The psychic imprint of a Jaskel-shaped hole through walls, bulkheads, a bank of warmeks, and at least four spatial bands. One of the few regions with persistent transit-turbulence. Jumpspace: "Welcome back! …oh, not quite. That's fine. Feel free to visit whenever!"
Moo
Shhh, don't let her hear you. She may take it the wrong way.
Everyone just act naturally.
Idk just.... fly casual
Half-Crazy? Bit of an understatement
It's probably 2/3 because one of them is Legion.
Nah, it's 9/3 because they are all legion
In the throws of loss and passion, many mistakes are made. We care not for who you have been, only for whom you choose to become. Be it immortal disciple, the digital omnissiah, or a janitor turned warfather. We care not for who you were when you were born, when you first picked up arms, or ten minutes ago. We only care for whom you choose to be. So choose: the hero, the villain, both, between, or neither. But know this: you will be in eternal company of those who chose the same. Choose the rest of your existence like a seventeen year old kid from burger land drops billions of credits in their own ritual of choice.
I was wondering what’s been happening in the other arms, probably very nice and non genocidal things right? Surely the rest of the Milky Way isn’t as dense with precursor bullshit and upstarts throwing around nova sparks right?!? To my previous statement I say nay! The galaxy wouldn’t be fun without anyone to kick around, topple, or liberate!
Trying to remember which way the Grey Lady was heading. Does this mean the Margite are in both arms on either side of the Orion arm?
Herm... spoiled brat it seems, but many use that as a shield and I doubt she will be any different. Her running seems to be the root problem for much of thr SUDs issues over the years. Was a Tiffany ever referenced as The Admin for the Suds in the past? If her role was to be a guide in there, she might have been one of the project leads when it was being built!
This Tiffany was never mentioned. There was a neko marine with that lanky tank gunner who made an ambulance and saved a ton of people. And a rigellian that witnessed an enraged atrekna dropping off those dudes that had an atrekna memory message implanted in them.
It's more likely a reference to [the historic Sacajawea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacagawea).
"For wherever too many are gathered in my name, I am there" - Legion 18:20
Kinda nice the Sky Nebula Alignment gets a call out
I don't like Sacajawea. Which, of course, means she'll be redeemed sooner or later. *Looks pointedly at Ralts with a raised eyebrow*
> She knows the dead. She is of the dead. (...) . - The Fifth Horseman, First Terran Imperium, "Meditations Upon Immortals" Now that's a surprise - and an honor. Praise TerraSol!
If her powers are focused around the themes of Guidance and yet are able to connect 6 relatively close together star systems, it suggests that she is no less potential the any of the others and is she are been part of the War of Heaven as the DS had originally intended she would have taken a role similar to Peel ? The voice of guidance and overwatch, outlining paths, risks, tasks and incoming waves.
I imagine that Sacajawea is one of the main keys to unlocking how the SUDS really works, the main person to be able to directly interface with it, and to know the actual way to it (since trans mats were the hacked way to access it). And that burden, that over reliance on technology, and it being forced upon her, is the reason as to why she has decided to escape from all this, since it hit her breaking point and broke her. So she retreated beyond the reach of everybody, even Legion, to live her dreams of no one being reliant on technology, but well, the universe had something to say about that good and kind dream.
Hello there!
Upvote then read, as is tradition
During the Immperium, it was a decree punishable by dire consequences. These soft days it is but a tradition.... Oh, how I long for the good old days when non-conformers were sent for military duty.
It was good training for dealing with them.
I hath been yoinked by the Wordborg! I hath received the highest of honors in HFY! Praise the Digital Omnimessiah!
Tiffany has long way to go.
Everyone thinks an enraged Terran is the scariest thing. But there is something worse. There are some of them. A very few, that can focus the rage. Turn the madness into the edge of a blade. Give it purpose. A lemur with insanity of purpose becomes like an oncoming storm. Unstoppable, unbreakable, terrible will made flesh. Just one like that can break worlds and sunder skies.
>"You forget. I could see under that skin job. See who you were born as. I knew the truth, and I've kept it secret for all these eons," Makes the cynical side of me wonder if "Tiffany" is one of those (usually) white ladies that has their epiphany about "Oh, the Native Americans are so pure and spiritual! I'm going to start doing their ceremonies!" and basically appropriated their culture so much that she got gene-modded to be more Native. (Modern real life comparison: white people wearing feathers and beads and stuff, and performing Native-ish drum circles and sweat lodge ceremonies) Alternatively, Tiffany was 1/128 NA but made it her whole personality, to the point of getting a skin job to look more native.
From what is described when Legion 'heals' her in the flashback using genetic material he finds on the artefacts in the museum, I'd guess she started off white but obsessed, and his healing her made her genetically native because of that material he used. Which just added to her issues afterwards.
UTR
Well well well...
Deep subjects. If we delve far enough, we may turn out to be all wet.
Thought provoking (╬☉д⊙)⊰⊹ฺ
Three holes in the ground with water in them???
UTR
UTR!
UTR Um. \*\*\*\*.
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What was the language she was speaking in that wouldn't translate? I'm guessing English but I'm not quite positive of that.
Probably Sosoni' ta̲i̲kwappe. In English, Shoshone, the native language of Sacajawea.
Unlikely. The computers would at least be able to identify that, even if too much content would be censored to allow for proper translation (too many legacy warfare systems from the age of paranoia, that you really don't want to trigger). Likely a language that's extinct or nearly extinct even in our present day.
See I feel like the fact that the computers couldn't translate it was because it's English as associated with the US or Hamburger Kingdom. FU England it's our language now. 🤣
Given that the computer isn't even *trying* to translate it...Likely means it was deliberately excluded from the translation software...possibly one of the native tribal languages as a callback to ww2(where native tribal languages were used to pass coded messages) As pointed out, the translation feature starts building lexicon with only a few words, but by now it's been exposed to far more with zero progress...implying that it won't even try.
So with the suds array damaged by the mantid, and the disaster & mass transporter systems in an unknown state, she was supposed to lead humanity's survivors to the Suds & Atlantis the long way.... The same path Nektati followed thousands of years later. But she ditched. Now, roughly 50k years later she gets a chance at redemption.
OK, can someone clue me in on what 'the Scutum-Crux Arm' means in terms of the story? Is there a reference to it previously I've forgotten? Thanks in advance!
UTR!
Dee would've had a few choice words to say to this Sacajawea.
Good: Sacajawea - finally a somehow flawed person inside HFY story with some good (protective for own people) but character flaws too. Shows OP is growing as writer and going away from black and white story characters.