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Brave-Stay-8020

Before anything else, you would think a head of state would check to make sure a reporter did not carry any recording or transmitting devices before revealing secrets that can destroy the federation? Maybe they had just grown complacent in their position at the top all these years? Also, now that the federation is doomed, I’m surprised that Nikonus did not just kill them as traitors, there’s not much else to lose and it would spite the reporter. So, we get to the lie that the federation has several members who are capable of consuming meat, and that they created fake religions to keep them in check. This makes me wonder if there are any herbivore species that naturally had anti-predator religions, they might throw off because of this? I hope the news of Gojid scavenger tendencies is given to the refugees gently. They have been though a lot and the humans may be the only species right now that can explain that this does not make them predators. Finally, we get an admittance to the federation attempting to convert the Arxur to herbivores. We could all see it coming but I’m a bit interested in him not saying they killed the cattle. As always, a lot of these narratives contain half-truths so I wonder if the Feds really did it, or if it could have maybe been some of the Arxur themselves. Maybe now would be a good time for the humans to explain what an obligate carnivore is. It won’t lessen the cruelty they are currently inflicting, but it might provide a way for future mending.


IonutRO

Because duplicity has been systematically eradicated in federation cultures I imagine the Kolshian was too high off his own propaganda to consider one of the lesser races being clever.


CHEESEninja200

It really does seem like the Federation has made a class system with the founders at the top manipulating everyone else and probably pushing the hatred of new races as a form of degrading so they are easier to manipulate into following along with their programs to be part of the "in group"


22Arkantos

The Federation is Nazi. I don't drop that term lightly, but the emphasis on their rightness, of only the right people being allowed to live and all others being either converted by force or eliminated, the creation of new religion based on ideology, all of it. Exact traits shared with the Nazis on Earth. Humanity should broadcast that history far and wide as soon as they realize, drawing direct parallels to the Feds, and illustrating exactly what we did to stop it. Many will reject that as predator propaganda, but, after Cilany's reporting, many will see it as truth and hope- humanity will stop at nothing to liberate them.


leothehero2110

They are definitely a eugenicist civilisation.


Zamtrios7256

The best part is the Gojids weren't just scavengers. They were full blown omnivores, like us!


Sky-Watcher-9000

Can’t wait for the Feds to realize that we’re omnivores too and send a formal apology demanding species wide genetic resequencing. Turns out extreme violence is not an indication of omnivores vs predators (or herbivores *stares meaningfully with binocular vision*)


Zamtrios7256

*Looks at hippo*


Fappity_Fappity_Fap

_Hippo starts flinging shit everywhere_


Zamtrios7256

Hippos and apes have that in common


vinny8boberano

Gorillas are only technically omnivores, and they have binocular vision and "fangs". When you get right down to it, our own study of biology has shown that in circumstances where nutrients are short that almost all creatures will alter their diet to consume things which are outside their natural diet. They might lack the biota to properly digest things outside a certain range while gaining needed nutrition, but they will still try. I was confused by the prevalence of the flame turret style traps on the world where the reporter was rescued. How pervasive were omnivores/carnivores on that planet that they could justify the expenditure to build AND maintain such apparatus? Also, the fact that even the savage kraktol had people who would "stoop" to eating fish. That sounds like how most gorillas eat vegan diets, but those in a few regions actively pursue ant and termite nests for food. Is it a matter of nutrition causing natural gravitation to find new sources for a specific vitamin or mineral? Sounds like the "founder" species have no, or twisted, study of evolution. If they were intent on making a species herbivorous before bringing them to "Federation" space standards, why did they rush uplift? Seems like keeping new species planet or system locked until a program of longterm conversion is completed would be more effective. How did they convince the various species to undergo historical rewrite and re-education? Hold the planet hostage?


Shpoople96

I think it was implied that the flame trap was born from extreme paranoia of predators (like when they found the dead rodent that one time)


SanicFlanic

I mean, we're scavengers too. We just learned that running around with pointy stick gives a lot more meat then bone marrow.


zbeauchamp

We did start out that way. Then it became: “Hey look what I ‘scavenged’ from this dead antelope.” “Grog, it had a spear sticking out of its neck.” “So lucky for us that the pointy stick decided to kill this creature so we could come along and eat it.”


Zamtrios7256

Yup.


ggouge

It could have been that the arxur cattle were not herbivores completely. Or as simple as early federation help boosted the population of arxur but gave them no help in maintaining the food supply and collapsed to a point of no return. But most likely the government knew the people had no taste for war but knew if they did not fight they would be wiped out from orbit. So they decided to wipe out the food supply and blame it on the federation. To stir up support for the war. A key theme to this story still seems to be everyone is guilty at some level.


5thhorseman_

> It could have been that the arxur cattle were not herbivores completely. My thoughts exactly. Plausibly, they could have had a crucial dependence on an animal-derived component of their diet that the Fed virus did not account for.


Cardgod278

I do feel like the other option is also highly likely. Help further demonize and dehumanize the enemy. Killing and eating them is fine, they tried to genocide us, wiped out our food supply, and they are completely controlled by their instincts. They are cowardly monsters that wish nothing more then to destroy us and all other true sentience.


Fappity_Fappity_Fap

The Gojidi refugees need an ecology teacher to enroll their academically inclined individuals into a course about scavengers, their general physical characteristics and slowly cultivate their curiosity towards Gojidi being possibly evolutionary scavengers before breaking this VOD to them. As for the Arxur, I see two ways out of this: 1) The current regime did it and covered it up in order to stay in permanent power (they're gonna develop a lot of systemic anxiety when they find out we abominate our home brand of Nazism); 2) The genetic engineering was widespread and made Arxur particularly "allergic" to the animal meat of their own world and their own world only. The second way out would turn the Arxur completely innocent on their first contact issues, buuuuut SpacePaladin doesn't seem to be writing the science part of NoP to account for "each biosphere has its own biochemistry" that would be required for that. So, yeah, right now it is _very_ unlikely that at least some of the Arxur don't have a share of the guilt of their current food crisis situation.


5thhorseman_

Or the current Arxur regime did it to stop their species from futile attempts to return to status quo, making conflict with the federation the only way forward.


Thagomizer24601

>I hope the news of Gojid scavenger tendencies is given to the refugees gently. It might be helpful to give examples of herbivores on Earth that are known to supplement their diets by scavenging carcasses, i.e. deer and cattle chewing on bones for their tasty, tasty minerals.


Brave-Stay-8020

Okay, so it seems that my comment last chapter about “no true herbivore” might have been more on the nose than anticipated. Man, Sovlin has had it rough since the invasion of the cradle. I wonder if he will break and try some meat if offered, believing himself to be a predator. On the bright side though, all these new scavenger species has given me a new business idea, I call it the Carrion Café. It would take some meats that are slightly too old for Humans and serve it up to the Gojids and Krakotl.


Red_Riviera

Also no true predators. Several races probably are obligate herbivores, but scavengers, fish eaters and insectivores are probably very common in the federation. Probably one or two species that hunted small game like rodents semi-regularly as well Humans are mid ranked in the food chain, or at least at a trophic level where only apex predators could really pose a threat. While the Arxur appear to be apex predators, or at least second on the totem pole at worst (there is something bigger than them that they avoid fighting and avoids fighting them) Such meddling would cause humans health problems and deficiencies to the point of applying evolutionary pressure. While the Arxur can’t digest plants at all. Both would backfire since the illusion is too easily broken for one and means extinction for the other


Fappity_Fappity_Fap

Wait, so there is a chance the higher up's learned of trophic levels upon the Arxur first contact and, when they found us during the Cold War, deemed us "too high up the trophic order to risk" and not "they atomicized their planet sterile"? Figures they didn't uplift us for some other reason than just nukes, but, damn, the Federation really had its days counted when the USSR launched Sputnik, hadn't it?


Red_Riviera

That’s my take from this chapter and why I actually can like the gentling theory I formerly hated the idea of. The species didn’t always eat plants, but careful manipulation from the fluke first and second species lead to a domination of revised history and slow erosion of ‘harmful’ cultural practises through religion afterwards. No species really relied on meat as a major part of its diet either. Just a pick me up and/or boost to a mostly plant based diet Humans and Arxur have massive meat based diets (protein, fruits and carbs are basically a humans paleo diet) compared to the species before them and that has consequences because it’d never be that easy for us to be ‘bioformed’ for the Kolshians pleasure It’s a well thought out and balanced approaches to the two major fan theories and I give credit where credit is due


OriginalCptNerd

Would the Carrion Cafe have carrion carryout?


Brave-Stay-8020

Of course, but some of its competitors, like the Roadkill Roadhouse, like to keep everything in house.


OriginalCptNerd

Ah, yes, good old "RR", home of the "Possum Burger(tm)"! "Imagine the Possum-bilities!"


Intelligent_Ad8406

Rat-à-touille, rat but more expensive


ggouge

He might not be able to try meat as his species was probably given a genetic allergy as a safety measure.


Educational_Doubt_51

Oh no!!! Our meat vat!!! Its spoiled!!!


Monarch357

Nature of Predators is my favorite generational trauma/space opera series.


luckytron

"Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!" -Human Guard taunting horrified Federation POWs after the broadcast For real though, looks like Nulia won't feel left out when her (in the future) friends eat pizza or drink milkshakes at least.


Intelligent_Ad8406

"Mawsle, can I twy the bacon?" Ehm yeah sure..... (perhaps she'll become a chef like gordon ramsey, trying to bring omnivoral cuisine to the masses that has been denied them for milenia)


luckytron

Iron Chef Nulia's Big Galactic Cookoff! Aspiring (non-human) chefs attempt to impress a panel of (human) judges by cooking various types of food based on their own world's foodstuffs. However, if they manage to last long enough to reach the point where they'll have to cook for Nulia herself, they'll have to overcome their greatest challenge yet! Cooking Meat.


Intelligent_Ad8406

"Whewe is the lamb SAUCE???!!!! ISIF, I SWEAR TO GOD THIS IS THE THIRD TIME YOU ATE IT!!!!


deathwotldpancakes

Though dairy might still be off the menu. Even a good chunk of the human population can’t properly digest it


donaljones

>Even a good chunk of the human population can’t properly digest it But they consume it anyway 😎😎


Dragoncat99

Imagine if the omnivore species were indeed bioengineered against eating meat but their reaction to it was like lactose intolerance instead of an allergy. I could imagine a couple aliens loving the taste of meat so much they’re willing to spend a day on the toilet in return.


IonutRO

I imagine the gojids probably have meat allergies from the "cure" still in their DNA.


Intelligent_Ad8406

the krakotl when hearing the truth: NOOOOOOO! I AM HERESY!!!!


Educational_Doubt_51

The massive damage to the krakotl psyche this caused is unimaginable. This might help to explain Kalsim's cognitive dissonance of having predatory instincts vs learned disgust for said instincts.


Intelligent_Ad8406

remember, they were the first victims, not the last, and discount squid Stalin just confirmed they had honed the process, there is no way to tell what repercussions the original process had but delusion and blind aggression seem to be one of them!


towerator

Who would win: * Birbtler * Squidlin


TheMole1010

Squidlin won, but now the whole galaxy seems likely to be against them while the Birbs have a niche to settle into.


Educational_Doubt_51

I hope the conditioning was mostly sociological and not genetic. As a form of mass learned helplessness the Venlil and Sovlin show that the conditioning can be weakened or suppressed. The disgust toward eating meat might be harder to unlearn if they even choose to do so at all.


Matt0071895

Squid Stalin…. Jesus


Alpha-Sierra-Charlie

Does this mean we can all just have a big barbecue and get along now?


Intelligent_Ad8406

mate, venlil aren't omnivorous so don't you forget the veggies aight


Alpha-Sierra-Charlie

Oh no, of course not! We're going to have all the noms!


OriginalCptNerd

Veggie kabobs on one grill, meat skewers on another, and mixes for any who want to go omni.


pyroraptor07

Hell, bring some plant-based meat for anyone who wants to try it


Intelligent_Ad8406

That.....can be arranged


Rebelhero

PLANT BASED MEAT?! YOU JUST OPENED A WHOLE ASS CAN OF PLANT BASED WORMS MY FRIEND. This solves a huge problem I've been having! I'm actually upset I didn't think about it first.


Vulkune

My favorite part was when Sovlin said “It’s omnivorin’ time” and omnivored all over the place


cardboardmech

and they broadcasted it to an omnivorillion screens across the galaxy


Busy-Direction2118

Remember, guys! We do not talk about chapter 67


Intelligent_Ad8406

ah yes the joke after "the incident", we'll see if it sticks


cardboardmech

What chapter 67 I only see chapter 66.5


creeperflint

My observations: * Why does violent/unpleasant content have to be hidden from the general public? Some content warnings should suffice, assuming they didn't have ulterior motives (which they did). * Nikonus, why didn't you watch for cameras? This seems like something you would check journalists for, unless you've gotten so complacent that it didn't occur to you that they were expecting a bombshell and might try some subtle tactics. * I have a theory that some religions had certain sects promoted at the expense of other sects, instead of being invented wholesale. For all the species with invented gods, I wonder how many religious Federation sapients are going to be digging through the history books to find their real god(s). Maybe they'll hop over to our religions? Either way, some major upheaval is coming. * Here we go! We've gotten to the debate/moral message about how any attempts to artificially remove conflict have to be backed up by atrocities and lies, and that we're all better off being honest and getting into fights sometimes than being manipulated and living a lie. * Maybe this will help the Gojids/former omnivores empathize with humans. We're all cut from the same cloth, it's just than you've been manipulated by Federation clowns. * They still don't understand obligate carnivores, apparently. I guess it's possible that they successfully modified Arxur biology so that they could get nutrition out of meat, but I find it more likely that they assumed they were omnivores too. The F in Biology strikes again! Excellent chapter. I see why the Patreon people were freaking out. I'm fascinated at seeing the consequences of this reveal. So of course, we're probably going to get Kalsim/Tarva/Slanek/Meier and their problems for a while. Oh well, we'll get to the reveal eventually.


AnotherWalkingStiff

>Why does violent/unpleasant content have to be hidden from the general public? Some content warnings should suffice, assuming they didn't have ulterior motives (which they did). yeah... [Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri Secret Project: The Planetary Datalinks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY57ErBkFFE) came to mind when i read that part


Dragoncat99

Imagine Krakotl archeologists discovering that their primary god used to be a god of fishing that provided bountiful fish to their followers


pyroraptor07

My thoughts... * Nikonus is a fucking asshole * Cilany is best journalist * Sovlin needs therapy * I'm curious how the Krakotl ambassador will react to this. While their actions were reprehensible (understatement of the century), they were effectively being used by the Kolshians and the Farsul. I mean, the Krakotl were threatened with genocide via bioweapon just because they were a bit "aggressive and disagreeable"? That says *a lot* about the Kolshian and Farsul mindset and I'd be very surprised if this didn't make quite a few Krakotl have a complete 180 in opinion of both the humans and the Feds. Maybe even the Arxur as well, at least to some degree. They don't seem to me to be the kind of species that would have a favorable reaction to being used and manipulated. (Maybe the fembirb cult will have a friendly fembirb in canon soon.) * The Gojids best chance for survival now is to ally with Earth and, arguably, embrace their status as former (and potentially future) omnivores. * I don't think the cultural manipulation by the founders was limited to the omnivorous species. They seem to be entirely focused on (1) how can they make a new species not offensive to their sensibilities and (2) how can they use said new species. I wouldn't be surprised if we see evidence of cultural manipulation in the Venlil history as well. Either way, I fully expect the Yotul and any other recent uplifts (depending on how deep they are into the cultural reprogramming) to see this and go "Fuck that". * Nikonus seems pretty insistent that they weren't responsible for killing the Arxur cattle. I'm not sure if that's just self denial of what they did or if there is a conspiracy on the Arxur side as well. After looking back at chapter 39 (the Arxur captain interview) to compare stories, I think I'm leaning towards the latter. * "We learned a hard lesson about giving full-on predator races the same chance; hunting and scavenging are different. Hunting, being an actual predator, means unchecked war and violence" - I'm not sure if this implies that the founders have run into other sapient predator species before or if it's only referring to the Arxur. * I am *very* curious what the Arxur reaction will be to all of this. * Cilany just started the Federation civil war. * We should *absolutely* make it a top priority to cure all of the modified omnivore species and introduce them all to the amazing food creations that result from combining meat with plant-based food. As always, thanks for the chapter!


SpacePaladin15

Great commentary! You should definitely post that on the sub too (with the spoiler tag ofc), there's a lot of spot-on observations. The Arxur reaction is certainly another aspect to consider...whether they'll still lump them all in as prey.


KimikoBean

Give sovlin therapy


cardboardmech

Where do I donate to the Sovlin Therapy Fund


AFoxGuy

*Inserts clever SpacePaladin Patreon AD*


Omen224

My bank account lol


Prudent_Sale_9173

Hoping the Arxur start an aggressive campaign of undoing the genetic engineering and adding more races to the anti-fed alliance. It’d be hard for them to convince those they de-engineer that they’re the “good” guys now after centuries of cruelty, unless the new-meat-eaters deal with the cognitive dissonance by going HARD into anti-herbivore extremism, which I could definitely see happening (a la Stockholm Syndrome on a species-wide scale). Definitely a massive propaganda win for Humanity/Arxur either way. Also, looking forward to Jerulim going insane like he just looked upon the many tentacles of Yog-Sothoth for a few too many seconds.


Red_Riviera

While I agree, since such action is basically a gross ethical violation of to the rights of those sapients. The Arxur are going to have a cognitive dissonance moment as well. Look at what they’ve been eating. Victimised brothers. Not weak prey The Kolshians and Farsul are f*cked. And if any species is getting genocided over this. The Kolshians are (The Farsul have Survivors of the attack on Earth are going to let them survive in a small capacity. We need our damn engineers and intel!) for there damn arrogance


Dragoncat99

If anybody could pull it off, it’d be the Arxur. Scarily enough, their experience with eugenics could help them develop a cure for the bioengineering. Never thought I’d say anything good about eugenics, but here we are… We definitely want to redeem the Arxur from their sapient-killing habits before that point, though.


pyroraptor07

Thanks!


LiteX99

I started reading this story earlier this week, and got to the previous chapter before this one came out, and during the waiting period i managed to convince myself that the feds didnt just try to turn the greys on a whim, but had a proven method to do so, except it didnt work on animals unable to eat plants. Turns out i was correct, as i also suspected that a bunch of the members of the federation previously where able to eat meat. Prime example the birds, as they had weapons similar to that of a raptor bird. And other speices as well had shown weaponry not belonging to a herbivore. All in all, the fact that i managed to figure it out just means that you write a good story, with hints throughout so that the reader is able to theorize and speculate and come to logical conclusions that later turn out to be true


Intelligent_Ad8406

My lord, thou has given us more former omnivores, more allies to the cause of unity, soon they shall be warriors OF THE HORDE!!!!!!!


Haidere1988

Lok'tar Ogar!


Thanos_DeGraf

That would also explain why the Arxur seem to prefer some races over the others, calling them particularly "delicious". It could point towards the Venil being true herbivores, thus more desireable then omnivores/scavangers turned herbivore.


I_Maybe_Play_Games

Arxurs gona puke when they realise they were munching on sapients.


K_H007

that or they're gonna start focus-targeting the ones responsible for the engineering for straight-up extermination as opposed to merely for survival.


DneSokas

> "We learned a hard lesson about giving full-on predator races the same chance; hunting and scavenging are different. Hunting, being an actual predator, means unchecked war and violence" - I'm not sure if this implies that the founders have run into other sapient predator species before or if it's only referring to the Arxur. Considering their opening play is apparently to outright threaten genocide (looking at the Kratol) I'm willing to bet their idea of unchecked war and violence would be better described as resisting.


pyroraptor07

Oh definitely IMO.


creeperflint

For the Venlil, considering how they were willing to make friends with us, and considering that the Federation likes to tell them they're weak and can't fight, I have a theory that Farsul-Kolshian Duumvirate knew that having a species predisposed towards empathy, making friends, and morality making contact with potential enemies might result in them making friends with said enemies, so they tried to keep them sidelined as much as possible to reduce the risk of that happening. I also think that even more nonconsensual modification isn't going to fix the problems with the original nonconsensual modification. We should ask them if they want to be able to eat meat again, and help them do so if they want to. It makes sense that the Farsul run the Archives and the curriculums, and that the Kolshians run their own university. Cilany's name is going to be written down in the history books. Exposing the Duumvirate is going to rocket her career out of this universe, assuming they don't have a "Duumvirate Reward for Excellence in Journalism" thing going. Honestly, I hope they both make it out of this alive. Also I know "duumvirate" is used for 2 people and not 2 groups, but I can't find a better word to describe them that isn't really generic.


pyroraptor07

> I also think that even more nonconsensual modification isn't going to fix the problems with the original nonconsensual modification. We should ask them if they want to be able to eat meat again, and help them do so if they want to. Sorry, didn't mean nonconsensually. Also, yeah the thing with the Venlil always being called weak cowards is where my mind went to when thinking about the cultural manipulation; that always struck me as suspect. The feds kicking around the Yotul as well and not really helping them learn any of what they dumped on them; that strikes me as the feds making the Yotul dependent on them.


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TNSepta

Could be a [condominium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condominium_\(international_law\))


Arbon777

Worth remembering that the Axur's claim is that they gave the bioweapon treatments to their own cattle, as it was sold to them as "cures your food problems" here. It's entirely possible that the federation only handed it out to the Axur and didn't ever intend for it to be used on the livestock, and then the axur, taking the lies at face value and extrapolating, used it on their cattle of their own volition.


pyroraptor07

When I re-read the interview, the captain actually says they gave them two treatments: > We asked the Federation for help. They offered two concoctions: one for our livestock, and one for ourselves. We mass-produced them, and rushed distribution. Of course, what actually happened remains to be seen. That could've been lies from their government.


Enkrod

We also shouldn't assume that the Kolshians and the Farsul know everything either did, maybe a Farsul would tell a different story still. The Federation is a giant disinformation machine built out of lies and secrets, it's completely possible, reasonable (and imho probable) that nobody knows the entire truth.


TinyCatCrafts

I wonder if the concoction for the cattle was meant to make them unable to be eaten by the arxur, but something in their genetic makeup made the formula just kill the cattle instead.


Dragoncat99

It did say they rushed production, so perhaps the intention was to do that, but the Arxur screwed up the concoction because they were completely unfamiliar with the science and were desperately cutting corners.


Nerdn1

Even if they are biologically omnivores, the cultural baggage is not going away overnight. As long as they can survive on plants, they are unlikely to sample meat, at least on a wide scale. If you learned that humans evolved as cannibals, but were altered to not be cannibals, would you immediately go out and get a people-burger?


cardboardmech

There's gonna be a significant number of people wanting to try peopleburgers


pyroraptor07

The last part was meant more as a joke than anything else. There's definitely going to be an adjustment period and everyone is going to react differently.


1GreenDude

this makes sense because herbivores are far more aggressive than carnivores


RevanchistVakarian

> Nikonus seems pretty insistent that they weren't responsible for killing the Arxur cattle. I'm not sure if that's just self denial of what they did or if there is a conspiracy on the Arxur side as well. Parallel conspiracies was definitely my best guess too. Wouldn't have had to come from the top either; it'd have been pretty easy for even a single xenophobic Arxur who happened to work in a bio production lab to carry out a vigilante false flag attack. However, I think there is at least one other possibility, which is that Nikonius is doing a bit of weasel-wording here by specifying that they don't kill _herbivore_ animals. When did anyone ever say that Arxur livestock species were herbivorous?


5thhorseman_

What if Arxur cattle were omnivores and required some animal material in their diet? Virus makes them allergic to flesh, bye-bye cattle biochemistry


alexburgers

>How would the humans feel if people were traumatized by their own footage? Carlos and Sam should be more open-minded. What, you guys don't have history books? .... ah, yeah, you don't, this checks out.


Braquen

Wonder how the exterminators will react. “The bonfire massacre” will probably be remembered for centuries to come.


GrandAlchemistPT

Oh boy... If the exterminators side against the fed omnivores, it will make the Yugoslav Wars look like the Velvet Divorce. Like, deathsquads marching through their home towns and burning EVERYTHING, multi-sided religious wars, attempts at autogenocide, rogue generals glassing planets, dear God.


cardboardmech

This universe really is the Space Balkans huh


AugmentedLurker

turns out geopolitics is just the balkans


-TheRed

Oh god if this is broadcast galaxy wide I can definitely see groups of extermination officers turning on themselves and their people to "cleanse the impurity".


decoparts

Being so close to thanksgiving I immediately had a mental flash of a crossover, Alice's Restaraunt- esque "The Bonfire Massacree" ​ "Twenty-seven eight-by-ten color glossy holograms", ​ "Now friends, there's only one or two things that Nikonus coulda done... and the first was he coulda given us a medal for bein' so brave and honest..." ​ "There was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was immediately arrested." ​ "And I proceeded to tell him the story of the Earth Defense Massacree, with full orchestration and five part harmony and stuff like that and all the phenom... and he stopped me right there and said 'Kid, have you ever eaten meat?'" ​ "And I walked in, sat down, I was hung down, brung down, hung up, and all kinds'a mean nasty ugly things. And I walked in and I sat down, and they gave me a piece of paper, said 'Kid, see the psychiatrist in room 604'" ​ "And I went up there I said 'Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. I wanna, I wanna see blood, and gore and guts, and veins in my teeth. I wanna eat dead, burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL!" ​ "I went over to the Sergeant, said "Sergeant, you gotta a lotta damn gall to ask me if I've rehabilitated myself. I mean, I mean, I mean that just... I'm sittin here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the group W bench, 'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough to join the Army, burn women, kids, houses and villages, after bein a litterbug.' He looked at me and said 'Kid, we don't like your kind around here. We're gonna send your fingerprints off to the Federation.'" ​ "Can you imagine, three people walkin' in and singing a bar of "Scavenger's Restaraunt" and walking out? They may think it's an organization!" ​ Wow, that ties in a lot better than I thought when I first started typing... Anybody else want to run with this one?


Appropriate_Sleep_87

i think cilany is becoming one of my favorite characters. recording the whole interaction was really smart


Intelligent_Ad8406

She has the special class JOURNALIST, allowing her to find the dirt on people, destabilise interplanetary governments and cause anarchy with words alone she is the ultimate bane of the federation!!!


Ropetrick6

When you reach level 100 as a Journalist, you receive a message in your inbox. It reads: "Award for excellent journalism", and transfers one(1) armed pipe bomb into your inventory.


armacitis

You mean the "suicide by two gunshots to the back of the head" event?


IllegalGuy13

Which is why she is best girl


towerator

"No! I must kill the predators!" Sovlin shouted. The radio said "No, Sovlin, you are the predators." And then Sovlin was an omnivore.


Hjkryan2007

I loved it when the federation said “it’s cultural xenocidin’ time” and brainwashed a fledgling sapient species


-TheRed

Truly one of the species of all time.


Hjkryan2007

#herbivoroussweep


ST4RSK1MM3R

Uno reverse card


cardboardmech

And Sovlin predatored all over the place


XtheAssassin2

"Sovlin, YOU are a predator." "No... that's not true! That's impossible!" "Search your feelings, you know it to be true." "NOOOOOOO!"


SpacePaladin15

Part 67 is here! We learn why the Kolshians wanted us to fail, along with the Federation’s origins. Apparently, that little cure has been used before the Arxur, and cultural tampering exists as well. How do you think the Federation public will react? What will be the response of the cured species, especially individuals like Kalsim? Sovlin has realized that he failed in his goal to prevent a human-Arxur alliance, and seems to be fearing our response. However, amidst all the revelations, Nikonus curiously denied killing the Arxur’s cattle. What do you make of the partial admission? Will Federation species be able to change their perspective on the grays? As always, thank you for reading! 68 will be here on Wednesday.


interdimentionalarmy

Oh boy, our pal Sovlin sure got a lot more than he bargained for... Though it makes a perfect sense for a bird-like species to not be natural herbivores, since most of the bird species here aren't... And it does tie in nicely with the notion that Godjids and Krakotl were always on the forefront of Federation militaries. ​ Still, I doubt this will just make humanity side with the Arxur all the way, after all, the baby eating thing isn't just going to go away. That said, I would imagine that Kolshians will now be number one target for whatever alliance humanity manages to forge, since clearly they are the root of all the problems plaguing the known regions of the galaxy... ​ Great work as always! Can't wait for the next one!


PassengerNo6231

I am starting to think that the Arxur Prophet group killed their cattle. In order to 're-awaken' their hunting roots and leave the 'passive' farming behind.


McPolice_Officer

“The agricultural revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the Arxur race.” -Ted “The Prophet” Kaczynski


Educational_Doubt_51

This chapter certainly explains why species interacting with humans grow more assertive their brainwashing is failing


hedgehog_dragon

The admission explains a lot. There are a few things going on so the 'we didn't kill the Arxur cattle' may or may not be true - It could be something an Arxur faction did, their government is certainly not innocent. Or maybe the left hand of the Feds does not know what the right hand is doing. Fed-Arxur relations CAN change. I'm certain of that. But even in the best case scenario I think it'll be generations at best before everyone is truly healed. It's hard to say who will take what side at this point. Many will be outraged at the loss of their history, if nothing else. Some will be angry at the Federation and might even see Humanity - and if presented right the Greys - as freedom fighters. Others will probably cling even harder to their 'programmed' beliefs because they don't want their world to come crashing down around them like Sovlin. Speaking of, Sovlin's been through hell and is still standing. I hope he can recover realizing the Arxur are more than mindless monsters. I think he was still using his hatred to prop himself up, but I don't think he's relying on it quite as much as he once did. Or at least, I hope he'll be alright. Perhaps a human therapist can help - a vegetarian one would have a real good shot.


jesterra54

Well, we need to burn down the Federation. I had a theory that the Facist Arxur killed their homeworld cattle to "cleanse" their species, but it seems that they shoot themselves in the foot with that


Moist-Relationship49

I don't think the governments killed the cattle, but rather like you said extremists working with the prophet or maybe the federation team went further than ordered. Either way both governments don't know what happened and blame the other.


bestjakeisbest

Maybe it was that they can still digest meat, they just don't get the same amount of nutrients from it. So they ate all of their cattle and couldn't grow more because cattle is expensive, assuming their animals are similar to ours a single cow takes quite a bit of land to feed.


creeperflint

I suspect that the no-predator-juice was the Federation, and the cattle virus was a false flag by an Arxur faction. On the one hand, they do seem to have a "better to die than live as cattle" thing going, which could extend to nonsapient species. Also, assuming they view killing herbivores in general the same as killing sapient species, Nikonus probably doesn't want to admit to mass murder. On the other hand, their goals would be accomplished with just the no-predator-juice, and there wasn't really a reason for them to kill all the Arxur cattle. All the cattle dying does serve the purposes of the Prophet and affiliated parties, though.


towerator

Yet another possibility: Notice the phrasing: "We don’t kill *herbivore* animals…". By the Federation standards, several of our farm animals such as chickens and pigs qualify as predators, and hence can be exterminatusified without a second thought. Could it be that all Arxur farm animals were like this?


GREENadmiral_314159

It wouldn't even have to be all. If all the chickens and pigs were to die, there would probably be a famine for us


One_Pineapple_4271

And that's with the fact that we actually can eat plant matter, if we could only eat meat, then it would be exponentially worse.


orbdragon

Our cows aren't perfect herbivores either - They will very happily chow down anything that will fit in their mouths if it can't escape. Same for horses, deer, guinea pigs, rabbits, and so on


shepard0445

But the no-predator-juice would only be used by all if the meat food source dries up. So killing the cattle would serv the feds goal.


poopoopooyttgv

He didn’t deny killing the cattle. He said he didn’t hurt herbivores. Our cattle are omnivores, the arxurs cattle probably was too


jesterra54

Well, we need to burn down the Federation. I had a theory that the Facist Arxur killed their homeworld cattle to "cleanse" their species, but it seems that they shoot themselves in the foot with that


Moist-Relationship49

Breaking news federation continues to be scummy, this time destroying the cultures of its own members to keep its founders in power, rather than engage in diplomacy or compromise. Now this out, the federation survival is unlikely, who will they kill to stay on top. The new question becomes who killed the Arxur food, no government in its right mind would kill their peoples food. My guess is either Arxur extremists like the prophet or the federations contact team going further than ordered. And poor Solvin, now he has another reason to think he is a monster, this time incorrectly. He needs some time with Carlos, to work through everything.


I_Maybe_Play_Games

Could also be arxur food wasnt fully herbivourous.


Chaos149

This is, from the lore standpoint, quite possibly the heaviest hitting chapter of NoP so far. Damn.


SpacePaladin15

Thank you! I was quite excited to share the twist with the fandom 😅


Intelligent_Ad8406

I know paladins are heavy weapons guys but i did not see that gojid thunderhammer coming this quick! I take of my hat for that Mylord


MedicalFoundation149

The humans are going to have a field day with this.


Tremere1974

Wow. This was as much a bomb as what the Humans planted on the Venlil homeworld. Though I don't think Sovlin is quite ready for that beer and barbeque invite yet, perhaps he's a bit closer to deserving it now.


Intelligent_Ad8406

he risks turning completely doom guy again, we must give this dude therapy already!


Demolisher05

Well, a lot of people suspected, but here's the confirmation. It might bring peace for us humans, but the chaos from it will tear everything else apart. Who knows, humans might be the glue to hold things together along with the venlil, but the Arxur still need to "eat," so good luck, I guess. This reminds me of a plot point in First Contact by raltsbloodborn. Won't spoil it, but there is a similar theme in one of the story arcs. Anyway, can't wait to see what happens next.


K_H007

Three words: Lab grown meat. Or, you know, just have the Arxur eat the Kolshians and Farsul into extinction like how humans, dogs, and rats did to the dodos and how weasels are doing to the kakapo.


cardboardmech

Still pretty sure 30-50 feral hogs can solve the Arxur meat problem


K_H007

they'd need something to keep themselves fed with while the feral hogs kickstarted their population. It takes a couple years for a swine population to start exploding.


Anonymous_Liberal

If human history has taught me anything, Cilany is about to commit suicide via two gunshots to the back of the head.


luckytron

B-but she just became a candidate for Best Girl!


SirShanksalot

Very important chapter, exposition wise. Some confirmation of theories that have been put forth in recent weeks, but with that clarity comes new questions since it seems like there is still some ambiguity to what exactly happened when the Arxur were uplifted. I look forward to the coming chapters; seeing the fallout of this revelation as the information is disseminated throughout the federation, as well as the reactions on the human and arxur side. This is almost certainly going to lead to a full blown civil war within the federation. I wouldn't be surprised if it also caused many species that suspect they are victims of the reconditioning to reach out to the humans in order to signal that they are breaking away from the federation entirely. A splinter faction may even form an entirely separate government comprised of species that have had their genes and history edited. This will also absolutely throw gasoline on the fire that is anti-xenos sentiment within the human refugee populations. I hope that the UN recognizes the need to shape the narrative in a way that emphasizes that there are many species within the federation that have been victimized just as humanity has. It will be crucial to find common cause with any omnivore species that are willing to leave the federation behind.


Intelligent_Ad8406

the thing is humans are never unified completely, even if you succeeded in doing this you have to make sure no extremist groups spawn!


GroundbreakingRun489

Nikonus evidently has never heard the phrase: “the truth shall set you free”


NinjaKing135

And he's free of the mortal coil


TNSepta

>The soldier tailgating me cursed as he ran into my spines Note: Do not walk behind Sovnic the Hedgehog.


Aldrich3927

Cilany is the absolute MVP. Someone who has lived in an artificial culture designed to propagate a horrific lie, indoctrinated her whole life without knowing, and yet has the strength of character and the curiosity to pursue the truth, no matter where it leads. Not only that, but she's smart enough to set up a dead-man's-switch to keep her and Sovlin safe from the establishment. 10/10 I love me a smart character. Also, this basically confirms that the reason everyone is shit at biology is because knowledge has been suppressed. If Kalsim ever learns about this he might actually explode from the cognitive dissonance. I think things are likely to accelerate pretty rapidly from here.


Bunnytob

Well well well. Well well well well well. Well well- ALL IS NOT FRACKING WELL RED ALERT RED ALERT THERE'S MORE THAN JUST THE KRAKOTL AAAAAAAAAAAAA


GREENadmiral_314159

Holy shit. The Federation just fucking shattered.


ggdu69340

So, would Arxur recognize « cured » species as fellow predators, or would they see them as too far gone? I suppose, time will tell.


SpacePaladin15

The Arxur aren’t a homogenous people, opinions could vary all over the spectrum. Isif might have a different opinion than the hardliners…definitely could be a split


Intelligent_Ad8406

I now have a scene in my head where Isif just breaks down and starts crying saying, "I ate predators!" and then Tarva gives him a hug together with Meier to comfort the croc probably not how it will go but funny nonetheless


boybob227

As I understood from his conversation with Meier, eating sapients of any kind already weighs pretty heavily on his psyche. (I’ll go ahead and add that to the list of sentences I never thought I’d type out.) Eating predators will be a tough pill to swallow, but I doubt it would be a breaking point.


TotemGenitor

TBH, predators eat predators all the time in nature


armacitis

Yes,but Arxur society has been conditioned to see only predators as equal in personhood. It's like you being told your pork roast was a person.


donaljones

>I now have a scene in my head where Isif just breaks down and starts crying saying, "I ate predators!" Ahem, humans eat pigs


rekabis

Prediction: Sovlin will (eventually) try something small to eat. Maybe a fish. Maybe a bird. Something that died normally instead of being killed. But I’m betting that his curiosity will eventually get the better of him. He’s indoctrinated, but not an idiot.


cardboardmech

sovlin gets borgar chapter when


zbeauchamp

I bet he starts smaller. With things we would consider vegetarian but not vegan. Things made with animal products that are not flesh. Some cookies that contain milk and eggs for instance. Once that is good maybe he tries some cheese or gets really adventurous and tries an omelet. Once he gets used to that, and wants to try more, someone either starts him with bacon, or some meat that is relatively tasteless and not easily recognizable as part of an animal life fish sticks or chicken nuggets.


ThePoeticDragonbirb

Honey, get the guillotine


NAMELESSJOKER96

What a twist to find out your own species is one of the dreaded meat eaters lol, it's funny that the birds turned out to be omnivores, I remember think its werid they ate plants the first time they were introduced, it just looked wrong in my head. Thank for this great chapter can't wait for Wednesday


I_Frothingslosh

Isn't their beak hooked? That's a meat-eating adaptation.


zbeauchamp

And they have sharp talons. Everything about their description screamed bird of prey of some sort.


YellowSkar

Yeah, I realized they were secretly meat eaters the second that was revealed. ​ The Gojids are a surprise though, never expected the giant hedgehogs to be meat eaters.


Rebelhero

Well... I had a feeling... BUT GOD DAMN. Wait a second... that would mean the Harchen too??


SpacePaladin15

It’s unclear how it will shake out now, technically anyone could be. The Harchen don’t have any indication from their religion though, and Cilany didn’t seem to take it that way. While the whole “I suggest you broadcast the Chant of Remembrance planetwide, to secure your passage to the afterlife.” from 59 was indicative of their last rites, the religion wasn’t tailored to predators. More likely to be a natural one


Intelligent_Ad8406

that you say "anyone could be a predator" makes me worried for some reason.... (I study history and oh boy I hope this is not going where I think it is for the feds sake)


I_Frothingslosh

The term 'Balkanization' kind of comes to mind. Which tends to lead to REALLY bad things if it happens mid-war.


Red_Riviera

Somehow you bridged both the theories in a respectable way that proved both correct. Credit to you author


Intelligent_Ad8406

called it, gojid are scavengers or predators, well that is going to make for some nice existential crissis


ST4RSK1MM3R

Ha! Totally called it that there was something fishy (heh) going on behind the scenes at the federation! Seemed likely that one species would be mostly behind it. Three way Galactic War time, let’s go!


Lord_of_Thus

Ohhhhh the CHAOS I'm sure some fanatics will start mass murdering their own species now Imagine an extermination officer looking at their own children screaming "DIE PREDATOR SCUM" while drenching them in napalm Also when you fry a kolshian in garlic oil, do they taste like calamaris?


hedgehog_dragon

I fucking love Cilany. She did it. Now all hell is going to break loose. Which is probably bad, but not as bad as the alternative. Sovlin's in a rough spot. But honestly, if anyone can recover from the trauma, I think it's him. It's probably for the best the Gojids are with humanity right now.


Psychronia

Holy fucking shit. This was a bomb of a chapter. Where do I even begin? Nikonus's villain reveal was amazing, complete with a whole-ass monologue. Yeah, no. this guy is now our icon of the old, shitty Federation that we're trying to fight against. When everything splits up and battlelines are drawn, he's going to be the head of what we want to point both the Humans and Arxur at. I, for one, am glad we have a properly assigned target for the rightly aggrieved races to point their weapons at now. Probably...a bit to much to expect the Kolshians and Farsul won't suffer from hate crimes after this though. I knew I had a good feeling about Cilany. A good journalist is a silver bullet. At this point, there are even odds that her "Dead Man's Publication" was entirely a bluff, though I guess it could just be an extra precaution. When these pompous antagonist confession scenes happen, I always want there to be a secret recording or something. A livestream leaves nothing to chance and it's perfect. I hope Carlos and Sam both caught that in the worst case scenario. The Krakotl, surviving Gojids, and probably anyone else with an anti-predator religion are in for a hard, hard time though. Solvin has just been having a really bad month, huh? Maybe two months. I'm extremely curious what Kalsim's reaction to this, since we've been comparing him to Solvin for a while now and his psychology is going to take about as nasty a hit. Cognitive dissonance on this scale is going to be a bitch, and I'm sure the Federation is going to be unraveling like there's been a zombie apocalypse soon. On the bright side, maybe we can use this to persuade the Arxur into recognizing the former meat-eaters as sapients and simply victims of a conspiracy. Whether or not they'll write them off as to far gone to save is another question, but this is a gamechanger for literally everyone involved.


Thepcfd

fucking shit, this is what i call plot twist :D


Nerdn1

While he implied that multiple Federation species were originally omnivores, he only outed 2 specifically. There is likely to be a lot of paranoia and discrimination.


Rex-Mk0153

Okay first of all, get Sovlin some therapy he needs it, he deserves it. I SERIOUSLY CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT IS USE TO HATE THIS GUY, NOW I JUTS WANT HIM TO LIVE THE REST OF HIS DAYS HAPPY AND HUG HIM. Second, you have no idea how happy I am right now, I literally can´t think of any comment ot make beyond this, I am also laughting. Also FUCK YOU NIKOUS! SOMEONE MAKE A REVERSE CURE MAKE THIS FUCKER LIVE OUT OF GERMAN FOOD FOR THE REST OF HUS LIFE (German food a **L O T** of meat) Edit: The Venlil are omnivores too and the Yotul are being Dechadsified as we speak, not you can **NOT** change my mind, I will figth you if you try to do so.


IonutRO

Pally confirmed on patreon that the venlil are true herbivores.


boybob227

*dramatically hoists Solvin onto my shoulder* ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US


-TheRed

I laughed out loud when it was confirmed the Krakotl ate meat. I really hope we haven't killed Kalsim yet, because we need to film his live reaction to the news. "Fembirb warcriminal finds out he is an abomination, his people are no better than slaves and his lives work is a lie [gone wrong]"


thesk1geek

Cilany here channeling Judy Hoops. "Ooh, actually, it's *your* word against yours! It's called a hustle, sweetheart!"


JustTryingToSwim

*The humans were destined to side with the Arxur now,* Captain Sovlin still doesn't get it. The Arxur are baby killing Nazis: We'd never "side with" them. But we will use this information to **maneuver** them into a position that's more inline with our own.


JustTryingToSwim

Also: It looks like I was right about my "religion" observation from TNOP 66.


I_Maybe_Play_Games

Damm thoose schizos were right. The krakotl do realy slob down on meat.


WillGallis

Wow. What a bombshell of a chapter. You know, with what we learned here today, I'm thinking that the Arxur wasn't the first fully predator species that they found, but just the first one that got strong enough to survive annihilation. Thanks for the chapter mate!


historynutjackson

> I wondered what the humans would think of placing marine habitats indoors. They’d probably think it was as stupid as I did. Someone has never seen an aquarium! ​ Spectacular work and you invest me more with every chapter.


MapleJacks2

Wellllll....shit. Honestly, I'm less mad at the genetic engineering and more at the cultural erasure. How many thousands (likely hundreds of thousands) of years worth of history has been erased. And...I don't think anyone is going to take this well. The engineered species have to deal with being both modified and ex carnivores who despise themselves, the arxurs are probably going to have their own worldview flipped when they find out, and any pure herbivore species is going to find themselves questioning everyone around them (and maybe even themselves). And then there's the sentence about the Federation not killing any of the Arxur's cattle. That either suggests a deeper conspiracy within the federation (possible, but unlikely. Could be a splinter group?), or that the conspiracy was on the Arxur side. Not impossible considering everything we were told about that era's Arxur.


Objective_Campaign82

Didn’t expect the twist. Nice


Swedishboy360

I called it on the feds not killing the Arxur cattle. Personally I could see it as a false flag by the Arxur to convince the more sceptical parts of the population that they must destroy the feds to ensure their survival, which technically is true even with living cattle but is still easier to convince people of if all the cattle is dead


Fractal_Human

Just had the insight, due to Sovlin´s remark about the aquariums, that the federation species don't know that humans can swim, dive and stay under for some time. Or when trained and geared up a really long time. So at one point or another a Kholsian is going to have really bad day. Extremely bad day if it involves persistent hunting and spearfishing.


zbeauchamp

Wow what a chapter. First thing I want to do is introduce Sovlin to aquariums. Aside from that it is good to see our suspicions confirmed and to have that information made publicly available. Cilany and her team have guaranteed asylum if they wish it for this act. The Krakotl as scavengers is actually rather surprising to me, as their descriptions sounded to me like they had the talons of birds of prey which actively hunt, though the “occasionally went after fish” could mean they would scavenge on land but were aquatic hunters like osprey. I can see how that could terrify the fish people. It also shows just how this religion of violence from predators is so preposterous. Predators engage in violence because they have to eat. But unnecessary violence is dangerous to a predator which is why they only engage when necessary to meet their goals. Herbivores face life and death situations and when they engage in violence there is nothing held back. Many of the deadliest creatures on earth are herbivores. In the short term I expect this will cause chaos within the Federation at the very least buying time and quite possibly pushing some neutrals into siding with us, especially if more species are revealed to have predatory or omnivorous tendencies. Longer term, this admission of it being the Kolshians who are responsible for starving the Arxur and that the rest of the Federation had been kept in the dark and even manipulated into hating predators could be used by us to get the Arxur to consider a ceasefire with the other Federation races (or at least the ones who see reason and side against the Kolshians) and focus their vengeance solely against the Kolshians so long as we can help them keep their population fed. Also, can someone from the UN PLEASE show this footage to Kalsim whenever we get back to his POV? I really want to see his mind explode when he finds out that HE is a predator too.


Golde829

as soon as Cilany chuckled at Nikonus's "Nobody will ever believe you" I knew she had an ace up her sleeve this new information is gonna make the whole story get flip turned upside-down Nikonus was playing chess but Cilany was playing Death note


I_Maybe_Play_Games

Kolshiens and Farsul should be wiped off the face of the universe, glory to earth, glory to mankind!


Shadyx94

Fuck these space vegans


A_Evil_Grain_of_Rice

Get fucked tentacle bastard


migulehove

I FUCKING knew it