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Radigan0

Spore Launcher should definitely be higher, it's ridiculously powerful, and even one spore pod on the map can completely refill its ammo supply with enough patience (or host_framerate)


lordofthegeckos

I'm surprised the spore launcher is so low tbh. It's one of my favourite weapons in the whole series.


EthanLM427

Yeah I would bump it up to A on second thought. Plus it's the cutest weapon.


KaplanBeni7

Other spore launcher enjoyers I see


lordofthegeckos

Agreed!


pleepwoopleep

This slander against the holy Knife, wielded by the mightiest of warriors, the Shephard himself, will not be considered as anything but blasphemy.


JamesSH1328

Virgin Knife Chad Wrench


EthanLM427

The knife was frankly unnecessary. You already had the wrench and melee is rarely more viable than guns anyway.


pleepwoopleep

Silence infidel, you reject His purity, turning away from the path set out by the greatest of them all, Adrian Shephard Himself.


The_______________1

Silence, heretic! The only true way is the path of wrench, repent your blasphemy now before the wrath of wrench reaches you!


pleepwoopleep

Lies! All lies spread by worshippers of a false idol! We all know the Knife is the only true Melee weapon, all others wish they could stand close to the mythic status of the Knife.


OctopusProbably

Are you seriously disgracing the Church of Just-Fucking-Running?


Maineutral

You my good sir are disappointing the Crowbar-Cult!


gamerguy6484

I like the shotgun


Maineutral

Understandable, have a great day.


Gamepro5

And how do you break crates exactly? The knife melts thru crates.


EthanLM427

I only considered combat use


HattedSandwich

*Then you are lost!*


Nova17Delta

ok but swish swish stab slice i rest my case


Ak1raGD

You can break stuff faster with it tho


The_dinkster522

The wrench is too damn slow


UnfairBanana

barnacle


EthanLM427

barnacle


Necrotiix_

barnacle


duckmellon09

barnacle


potatogoldyummy

barnacle


Samborrod

barnacle


SaltyTattie

I'd have put the shotgun in S, it's just the workhorse weapon that has good ammo and can handle any situation except being outnumbered by marines while being out of cover. It's not the best weapon sure but the sheer work it does make it the complete backbone of your arsenal.


Maineutral

The revolver and shotgun were my best friend in HL1. Countless times that shotgun saved my ass in some close situations, and the revolver too. Although, the Tau is still probably my favorite weapon in HL1, but the Shotgun and Revolver are close seconds.


harrrhoooo

Shotgun is less useful in hard difficulty due to enemies becoming much tankier. I donโ€™t think a double burst can even one shot a marine in melee range while the marines dump their entire magazine at you


Erkliks

Yes, shotgun is totally balanced around Normal difficulty


SaltyTattie

Yeah Marines need some tactical sprinting around corners with the shotgun.


Kakophonien1

And without hd models?


EthanLM427

The models don't change the rating, they don't change the gameplay anyway. Only reason it's HD models is because the person who made the list used those


Kakophonien1

Oh. Well the glock to me feels a lot better and more accurate to use than the baretta, so I'd bump that one up if that was the case...just personally


somegenericidiot

they are litterally the same thing, it is just a re-skin


TheBinaryBuster

they literally function the exact same, what


KEVLAR60442

The Glock and MP5 combination is more accurate than the M9 and M4 combination as the Glock and MP5 use the same ammuntion IRL, just like the game, and the Glock 18 represented in the game has a full auto fuction, unlike the M9. The HD model pack requires pretending that the M4 is chambered in 9x19, and that the m9 is actually some weird M93 with a full auto function and only M9 parts.


TheBinaryBuster

oh I thought you meant accurate as in bullet accuracy either way idrc, also isn't it a Glock 17-


Helothere_

It's a Glock 18, the 17 doesn't have a full auto function, the 18 has Semi Auto and Full Auto


TheBinaryBuster

I didn't know the 18 had semi-auto, cheers


SomeFlyersFan

you have schizophrenia into the woodchipper with ye


Kakophonien1

Ight imma do a tucker and dale


iguanafucker420

Idk man the fly shooting weapon was really good if i didnt want an enemy to shoot me


EthanLM427

The main problem is it comes kinda too late for where it would have been most useful, when you're still kinda low on ammo and don't have that many options. But you get it halfway through Surface Tension, when you're constantly full on SMG/pistol ammo so the infinite ammo doesn't matter and you have so many different weapons to choose from. Definitely think it's underrated by most people tho.


Lazar_Milgram

I remember hating on fly until I seriously started to play on hardest. It spares ammo and gives you edge in many situations when you combine cheesing with final run and shoot.


iguanafucker420

Yes exactly, killing enemies without them shooting back can save ammo and health you could have lost


EthanLM427

Okay yeah on second thought Spore Launcher should be in A. I guess I tried so hard not to let my bias to how cool and kind of adorable it is cloud my judgment of the weapon's quality that I understated it. Spores can be hard to aim though, and waiting for those pods to recharge is really annoying.


lukkasz323

Why satchel charge and grenades so low, they're so strong.


EthanLM427

Grenades are too clunky to use properly. You can barely bounce them off walls and don't even try to throw them while moving. Satchel charges are good against groups of unsuspecting enemies, but is matched or outclassed by SMG grenades in pretty much every scenario. Laying traps can be good but very situational.


lukkasz323

I think it's a matter of practice, moving changes the direction of where the grenades go and that can be very helpful at times. For example moving forward alows you to throw them farther. I never problems bouncing them of walls, when I do that. Moving backward is helpful if an enemy is chasing you. I'd show you what I mean on a video, if I could easily do that.


russian_dove

Why wrench > other melees?


EthanLM427

You can charge up, sneak up on an unsuspecting enemy and obliterate them. *I am ze spy* (snort)


The_______________1

Big damage go brrrr


WorldsBiggestNarcist

The charge attack is too good


Nothere-reddit7249

It can literally one shot a ton of enemies if you charge up the alt fire for about 2 seconds.


[deleted]

Okay. Elaborate.


EthanLM427

On what weapon


CrystalFriend

I see the tau cannon is where it belongs.


GNUGradyn

Spore launcher should be A and crossbow should be S


GNUGradyn

Crossbow is definitely S. Far away enemy giving you trouble? Delete that bitch with the crossbow. Mounted gun? Stand far away, shoot the operator, steal mounted gun


NapeGrodzilla

Because crowbar goes CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG!!!


coolgamer_554

Why slander melee? crowbar/knife/wrench are good for breaking boxes (using gun waste ammo, ammo waste bad remember.) and wood andd all that shit


EthanLM427

Yes but that's not combat


tinylobo

Deagle needs to be in two tiers. S for laser on and F for laser off.


EthanLM427

Well if we start like that I'd put SMG grenades in S


WorldsBiggestNarcist

Don't disrespect the wrench, it is the greatest melee weapon in gaming Also the shotgun fires marshmellows it is automatically too high


EthanLM427

Yes, the wrench is cool and the best melee weapon, but the best melee weapon is still a melee weapon. If you're at melee range you might as well use the shotgun.


WorldsBiggestNarcist

Not only does it conserve on ammo but if you don't walk straight into an enemies firing it is really good. Also I may have a bias from Engineer.tf2, bioshock, system shock 2 and Prey


EthanLM427

If you're ever running low on shotgun ammo you're doing something wrong I mean yeah I definitely love sneaking up on enemies and obliterating them with a charged swing like some discount Spy but once you have guns there's really rarely ever a reason to go melee


WorldsBiggestNarcist

Idk if it's just me but the shotgun fires marshmellows while the wrench is significantly more reliable, especially against most aliens


EthanLM427

I find it's generally a bad idea to get in melee range of any aliens except zombies, headcrabs or lonely houndeyes. Even if you charge up the shot to one shot them, the approach itself is still hazardous. Shotgun can feel underpowered on hard difficulty but on lower a double blast from decently close range takes good care of a lot of things. Definitely the best way to deal with zombies, houndeyes or headcrabs that are too close for easy pistol picking.


WorldsBiggestNarcist

Their melees are slow enough that I can run up, charge hit em, run back and charge hit em and boom, dead alien and ammo was not lost


iguanafucker420

Idk man it kills regular troops with 2 shots or alt fire, if you use them on like black ops then yeah youre dead


EthanLM427

I forgot one: The Penguin Grenade is SS+ tier


Radigan0

Why is there no satchel?


Radigan0

Nevermind it's right there


Radigan0

Grenades, Satchel, Pistol, and Wrench are above the Hive Hand


EthanLM427

Nah man hivehand does the same damage as pistol and you don't even have to aim. I beat the entire game with only the hivehand twice and apart from the bosses it wasn't even that bad


Magnum-357

Man you did the spore launcher dirty


TheFiveOfHearts41

I'd personally put the crossbow at the top, but that's just me alternating between the 357 and the cbow as my main 2 weapons


EthanLM427

HL2 crossbow is top S tier for sure. HL1 crossbow doesn't feel quite as powerful (and doesn't do funni ragdoll pinning) but the crazy big ammo capacity is a plus for sure.


TheFiveOfHearts41

I find it extremely useful for firing 2 quick darts at alien grunts before they release the bees


EthanLM427

Yeah I really hesitated if it was S or A hut decided to put it at the very top of A. Kinda like spore launcher being top B instead of A when maybe it should have been A.


Nothere-reddit7249

The deagle is literally better than the revolver in almost every way lol. Also the knife and wrench should be way higher, you are not giving them enough credit as to how useful they are for wiping out enemies without spending ammo.


EthanLM427

Well the deagle is above the revolver. Revolver is still solid S tier though, especially since you never have access to both.


Nothere-reddit7249

Fair enough


Necrotiix_

barnacle


Jacob-the-jester

Snark is the perfect weapon


RedditBoi127

the wrench and the knife are the best melee weapons ngl, the crowbar may be iconic but the wrench and knife is stronger and more fun


tacticsf00kboi

Put snarks in F(riend)


Clean_Emotion_4348

Hey, the satchels are sick for airbangs


F3nric

Tripmines are fantastically handy with assassin's, also Snarks are great when there's a squad of soldiers about and you want a distraction and to chip away health.


EthanLM427

Exactly: situational


doentedemente

Your opinion is wrong. Please do not elaborate.


EthanLM427

Understandable have a nice day


WeekendBard

"why use melee when you have a gun" (also puts a melee weapons on the tier above)


EthanLM427

Because the wrench actually has value sometimes


[deleted]

You included Opposing Force weapons, but not the Grenade Penguins??


EthanLM427

I made a comment saying they're SS+ tier


[deleted]

Ah, the transcendent rating. My apologies.


GunnyStacker

I agree with this a lot more than the other post. The only exceptions are that I'd lower the shotgun and missile launcher to C because they never always disappoint me in clutch moments. I would also raise the Hive Hand to B because of how good it was in Black Mesa.


MrGlitchyToast

Why isnt displacer Canon on s you can insta "kill" any enemy And hd model enjoyer


EthanLM427

Yes but it fires slowly and only holds 5 shots, and you can't fire it close to you, otherwise it'd be S


Demolicious51

The Deagle is terrible for an S-rank weapon. The knife and crowbar are useful for headcrabs or other easy enemies and bashing crates, planks, grates, etc. so they should definitely be higher.


EthanLM427

The deagle is like the revolver but you get more ammo for it, get it right away, and get flexibility between accuracy and fire rate. The knife and crowbar are useful against enemies that you can kill easily with even the barnacle. And don't give me that "ammo conservation", if you can't afford to use your pistol or shotgun on a headcrab you're doing something wrong. Also I only considered combat, obviously you use them to break things.


BallStringStick

Uhhhh excuse me? Why are snarks not a tier above S?


Bamma4

I like this list but the m4/mp5 should be in a tier Edit S tier


EthanLM427

It is?


Bamma4

Autocorrect Iโ€™m on Mobil I meant to say s tier


EthanLM427

While the MP5 is generally useful throughout the entire game, I'll always prefer using other guns like revolver or tau cannon if I have ammo for them. The underslung grenades, however, are deserving of S tier.


Bamma4

Yeah those grenades got me through interloper


IBlackKiteI

That's pretty solid, everyone can quit it with this now


krisztian008

Barnacle


[deleted]

Do you shoot vents open with a gun?


EthanLM427

I only considered how good they are in combat, otherwise I'd have to consider that the barnacle is crucial for mobility (even if it's clunky)


Th3_BugBomb

Bro put crossbow in A tier and not S๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ’€


MufffinFeller

Snarks should be higher for their ability to break up ambushes


Designer_Relation365

I'd put the Pistol in A, it's very useful when headshotting zombies, vorts and beret hgrunts.


ShareIndependent

Satchel charge deserves higher