Yep some of the game pick ups are most likely gameplay only.
Like chief needing the threat sensor to spot camo elites when canonically there helmets tech can locate them completely fine, even jegas enhanced camo was visible through infrared in rubicon protocol.
It's kinda funny to think chief clearly saw jega hoping all over the place in there boss fight opening.
Or the fully upgraded drop wall enchancing bullets.
I guess if you try to take gameplay animations chief grapple charge works by him suspending himself in the air with his thrusters.
>Like chief needing the threat sensor to spot camo elites when canonically there helmets tech can locate them completely fine, even jegas enhanced camo was visible through infrared in rubicon protocol.
>It's kinda funny to think chief clearly saw jega hoping all over the place in there boss fight opening.
I'm pretty sure that Bonita Stone was the only character described with infrared sensors during The Rubicon Protocol, as even Nina Kovan and Thomas Horvarth weren't noted to have infrared sensors during the novel. Stone was after all a *recon specialist* and had tailored her MJOLNIR to that role. It's even noted in the audio logs that both Theordore Sorel and Vedrana Makovich had difficult keeping track of Jega 'Rdomnai when the Blademaster ambushed them, which obviously wouldn't be the case if these Spartans had thermal vision to constantly keep track of 'Rdomnai's position.
Didn't chief mention his helmet having a bunch of different vision modes including thermal in the opening of shadows of reach after they crashed, be even stated he could mix them together which allowed him to see the terrain better.
Then again you'd think thermal visors would be a standard part of a spartans helmet.
Hell noble team had night vision visors in reach but they didn't reveal camo.
Flip side, Chief’s suit got a sound thrashing from Atriox and then spent six months in hard vacuum bouncing off debris with no maintenance or reboot beyond a jury rigged jolt from a half-dead Pelican’s systems. There’s a solid chance Chief’s armor’s more delicate systems aren’t in the best of shape. Which would explain why scavenging modules from Spartan IVs and various abandoned UNSC gear is needed to bring Chief’s armor up to full capabilities.
Horvath uses thermal sensors on page 50 while Blue Team (John in particular) repeatedly uses their NVS to see near-IR. They're also repeatedly stated to have dedicated IR sensors as well. Going back even further to GEN2, Last Light notes that GEN2 has sensors that penetrate "deep" into the EM spectrum, which would definitely include Infrared.
Likewise, neither Sorel nor Makovich actually state that they're having difficulty tracking Jega, the only thing close to that is Makovich calling out that he did cloak, but there's no later indication that she couldn't track him.
They have them, the sensors were just damaged/destroyed during their time on the ring. Horvath found Gorian with thermals/lifesigns, and Kovan specifically failed to detect an enemy raid due to the loss of her sensors sometime beforehand.
Even the ODST helmet back in the Thursday war had an infrared sensor, as well as the previous GEN helmets. What basis do you have for implying that only Spartans with tailored to recon work would have IR sensors.
They’re still integrated into the armor, they’re just gone for gameplay purposes. IIRC the thruster pack in game is also just for gameplay purposes. In the campaign Chief gets a suit upgrade kit that looks like the overshield/active camo that more or less installs the OS for the thrusters so his suit can operate them alongside the other equipment pieces
Another gameplay thing is that gen 3 comes with built in active camo according to shadows of reach " which you need an upgrade to use" so yeah it's just another case of gameplay doesn't equal lore.
Gen 2 provided good mobility but and was seen as inferior on some ways to gen 3, so they made gen 3 as a blend of both.
According to some lore thrusters still exist on it but I have never seen them in use and see only have one of the spartans having a thruster module on there's in infinite.
Probably lore reason,Power? The built in thrusters Probably took up alot of energy and space on the suit and so they just got rid of it to add more protection.
Gen 2 is still in use by other spartans.
Like seriously gen 2 had some awful protection fears and sure gen 1 too but gen 1 is decades out of date as well.
All he did was download a software update through the little circle pad. The thrusters existed and worked fine without any physical change. It was just his suit software since it was rebooted to a safe state aboard the pelican when he was rescued.
Maybe his armor lost some of its functionality after the thrashing he took and his time in orbit maybe even cannibalizing itself in order to maintain life support so he's not acquiring new modules just Jerry rigging repairs.
Actually. Is Mjolnir just powered by a nuclear fusion reactor with no battery? or it does have a battery? Moving some tons of metal very fast might require some serious energy.
Is that kind of a lore explanation for thrusters cooldowns?
The battery is getting powered up by the reactor?
The reactor either vents plasma to the thrusters, and the super conductors that channel the plasma to the thrusters probably need to cool down. Or maybe the reactors superconductors need to cool down since it would need to use more energy since the reactor would be pumping new fuel Into it to create more plasma to replace the vented plasma and that level of heat probably overwhelms mjolnirs cooling systems. Or the reactor uses some kind of heat exchanger to heat a seperate fuel source for the thrusters which still would need superconductors to contain that plasma inside the suit without melting what contains it and also direct that plasma out of the suit. Those superconductors would get hot and likely would overwhelm the suits cooling systems. Or maybe the thrusters have some kind of seperate form of fuel which would still generate an immense ammount of heat considering that it's able to propel a thousand pound spartan and the thruster nozel would need time to cool off.
Edit: keep in mind that I am basing my guess just based of some stuff I know about fusion reactions and bits of knowledge about mjolnir. At the moment of writing this I am unsure if it's stated anywhere in lore how the thrusters work.
Modern Mjolnir suits rely on both the nuclear reactor and batteries. The batteries appear to be mainly supplemental, although they can temporarily power the suit in a low detection mode, shutting down the reactor and running solely off battery power to reduce the suit's IR signature. Although that being said, running off solely the batteries isn't good for the health of the suit at large and it's not something for extended use.
Presumably, Rakshasa runs entirely off battery power (hence the lack of nuclear reactor) but compromises the actual abilities of the suit itself as a compromise.
>The batteries appear to be mainly supplemental, although they can temporarily power the suit in a low detection mode, shutting down the reactor and running solely off battery power to reduce the suit's IR signature.
That's kind of like what current testbed MBTs are looking to implement for the next generation of main battle tanks.
The AbramsX has a similar "silent running" mode.
It was a downgrade. Gen 3 in general is a downgrade. It looks awful, it lost all the cool movement tech you had in 5, and it brings back the poor ergonomics of Gen1.
All that because a few loudmouths wanted “muh classic look” back
They are still in the suit, always have been. The pick up is for gameplay. But also might have a canon use for non Spartans.
Yep some of the game pick ups are most likely gameplay only. Like chief needing the threat sensor to spot camo elites when canonically there helmets tech can locate them completely fine, even jegas enhanced camo was visible through infrared in rubicon protocol. It's kinda funny to think chief clearly saw jega hoping all over the place in there boss fight opening. Or the fully upgraded drop wall enchancing bullets. I guess if you try to take gameplay animations chief grapple charge works by him suspending himself in the air with his thrusters.
>Like chief needing the threat sensor to spot camo elites when canonically there helmets tech can locate them completely fine, even jegas enhanced camo was visible through infrared in rubicon protocol. >It's kinda funny to think chief clearly saw jega hoping all over the place in there boss fight opening. I'm pretty sure that Bonita Stone was the only character described with infrared sensors during The Rubicon Protocol, as even Nina Kovan and Thomas Horvarth weren't noted to have infrared sensors during the novel. Stone was after all a *recon specialist* and had tailored her MJOLNIR to that role. It's even noted in the audio logs that both Theordore Sorel and Vedrana Makovich had difficult keeping track of Jega 'Rdomnai when the Blademaster ambushed them, which obviously wouldn't be the case if these Spartans had thermal vision to constantly keep track of 'Rdomnai's position.
Counterpoint: It's funny
Didn't chief mention his helmet having a bunch of different vision modes including thermal in the opening of shadows of reach after they crashed, be even stated he could mix them together which allowed him to see the terrain better. Then again you'd think thermal visors would be a standard part of a spartans helmet. Hell noble team had night vision visors in reach but they didn't reveal camo.
Flip side, Chief’s suit got a sound thrashing from Atriox and then spent six months in hard vacuum bouncing off debris with no maintenance or reboot beyond a jury rigged jolt from a half-dead Pelican’s systems. There’s a solid chance Chief’s armor’s more delicate systems aren’t in the best of shape. Which would explain why scavenging modules from Spartan IVs and various abandoned UNSC gear is needed to bring Chief’s armor up to full capabilities.
They all have them. Even ODST VISR systems have that function.
Horvath uses thermal sensors on page 50 while Blue Team (John in particular) repeatedly uses their NVS to see near-IR. They're also repeatedly stated to have dedicated IR sensors as well. Going back even further to GEN2, Last Light notes that GEN2 has sensors that penetrate "deep" into the EM spectrum, which would definitely include Infrared. Likewise, neither Sorel nor Makovich actually state that they're having difficulty tracking Jega, the only thing close to that is Makovich calling out that he did cloak, but there's no later indication that she couldn't track him.
They have them, the sensors were just damaged/destroyed during their time on the ring. Horvath found Gorian with thermals/lifesigns, and Kovan specifically failed to detect an enemy raid due to the loss of her sensors sometime beforehand.
Even the ODST helmet back in the Thursday war had an infrared sensor, as well as the previous GEN helmets. What basis do you have for implying that only Spartans with tailored to recon work would have IR sensors.
People take gameplay elements too literally for lore
Yeah, one of the Spartans on Infinite used the thrusters to help her carry an escape pod up onto solid ground IIRC?
They’re still integrated into the armor, they’re just gone for gameplay purposes. IIRC the thruster pack in game is also just for gameplay purposes. In the campaign Chief gets a suit upgrade kit that looks like the overshield/active camo that more or less installs the OS for the thrusters so his suit can operate them alongside the other equipment pieces
Another gameplay thing is that gen 3 comes with built in active camo according to shadows of reach " which you need an upgrade to use" so yeah it's just another case of gameplay doesn't equal lore.
Gen 2 provided good mobility but and was seen as inferior on some ways to gen 3, so they made gen 3 as a blend of both. According to some lore thrusters still exist on it but I have never seen them in use and see only have one of the spartans having a thruster module on there's in infinite. Probably lore reason,Power? The built in thrusters Probably took up alot of energy and space on the suit and so they just got rid of it to add more protection. Gen 2 is still in use by other spartans. Like seriously gen 2 had some awful protection fears and sure gen 1 too but gen 1 is decades out of date as well.
I mean, Chief literally unlocks them in Infinite. You can use the thruster in the campaign as much as you want.
Didn't he have to take the thrusters module off of an already dead spartan to use them? Why would his armor need to unlock that function?
All he did was download a software update through the little circle pad. The thrusters existed and worked fine without any physical change. It was just his suit software since it was rebooted to a safe state aboard the pelican when he was rescued.
Maybe his armor lost some of its functionality after the thrashing he took and his time in orbit maybe even cannibalizing itself in order to maintain life support so he's not acquiring new modules just Jerry rigging repairs.
Chief uses the inbuilt thrusters in memory agent.
Actually. Is Mjolnir just powered by a nuclear fusion reactor with no battery? or it does have a battery? Moving some tons of metal very fast might require some serious energy. Is that kind of a lore explanation for thrusters cooldowns? The battery is getting powered up by the reactor?
The lore explanation would be that they literally need to cool down. Like you said that's a lot of energy being thrown around in a short time
The reactor either vents plasma to the thrusters, and the super conductors that channel the plasma to the thrusters probably need to cool down. Or maybe the reactors superconductors need to cool down since it would need to use more energy since the reactor would be pumping new fuel Into it to create more plasma to replace the vented plasma and that level of heat probably overwhelms mjolnirs cooling systems. Or the reactor uses some kind of heat exchanger to heat a seperate fuel source for the thrusters which still would need superconductors to contain that plasma inside the suit without melting what contains it and also direct that plasma out of the suit. Those superconductors would get hot and likely would overwhelm the suits cooling systems. Or maybe the thrusters have some kind of seperate form of fuel which would still generate an immense ammount of heat considering that it's able to propel a thousand pound spartan and the thruster nozel would need time to cool off. Edit: keep in mind that I am basing my guess just based of some stuff I know about fusion reactions and bits of knowledge about mjolnir. At the moment of writing this I am unsure if it's stated anywhere in lore how the thrusters work.
Modern Mjolnir suits rely on both the nuclear reactor and batteries. The batteries appear to be mainly supplemental, although they can temporarily power the suit in a low detection mode, shutting down the reactor and running solely off battery power to reduce the suit's IR signature. Although that being said, running off solely the batteries isn't good for the health of the suit at large and it's not something for extended use. Presumably, Rakshasa runs entirely off battery power (hence the lack of nuclear reactor) but compromises the actual abilities of the suit itself as a compromise.
>The batteries appear to be mainly supplemental, although they can temporarily power the suit in a low detection mode, shutting down the reactor and running solely off battery power to reduce the suit's IR signature. That's kind of like what current testbed MBTs are looking to implement for the next generation of main battle tanks. The AbramsX has a similar "silent running" mode.
Armour's too heavy. That's the wiki page explanation, anyway.
It was a downgrade. Gen 3 in general is a downgrade. It looks awful, it lost all the cool movement tech you had in 5, and it brings back the poor ergonomics of Gen1. All that because a few loudmouths wanted “muh classic look” back
It's not a downgrade. It's actually more protective than Gen 2.