I think you might be thinking of the one in the North End (?), that the city had to stabilize and then partially demolish - https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilton-region/city-spent-nearly-295-000-to-stabilize-unsafe-home-build-in-hamiltons-north-end/article\_7c40d0c0-d000-5857-b399-55cb4209d2bf.html.
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That shit hole is just a single story now. Going to stay that way for years probably as well. (The owner and contractor deviated from the original city approved building plans). Last I heard it is in a legal quagmire now.
Let me see if I get this right. $850000 for the lot. If the house was built without a permit it’s basically scrap materials so it will have to be leveled. 🙄🤙🏼🇨🇦
Ya and deconstruction of the house won't be cheap either.
Someone I know mentioned that the city was looking at taking it down and billing the owner. In the end it'll be the lowly tax payer that foots yet just another bill.
I would assume that the City would put a lien on the property and would be made whole upon the sale. Of course this depends on the timing of the potential sale. Potentially the new owner would receive the bill and if the issues weren't disclosed, they would have to sue the previous owner to recover the costs. A huge mess and nothing but red flags. Would be shocked if any lawyer doesn't flag all these concerns as part of any purchase and help their clients back out.
This is going to sound like NIMBY'ism, but my impression has been that if a house is up to code and doesn't impact any by-law, you can build it. The reason I say that is even in 'historic' neighbourhoods, the city seems perfectly ok with ultra-modern glass next to wartime cottages and red brick etc. There doesn't seem to be any drive to maintain any flow in terms of architecture. Contrast this to other countries I've lived in, and there are usually some restrictions or requirements when it comes to new builds in an area.
All that to say, this house would probably have been approved in some form, yet it's totally out of keeping with the street.
This is typically done. But Hamilton has a ^leetle problem with inspections on permits. See that North end house that almost collapsed ( yet was "inspected" twice) and the McMaster Grad residence on Bay where sewage and water lines were crossed.
I’m not saying permits shouldn’t be required. I’m saying permits seem to be granted irrespective of the design and general architecture in the immediate area. I found this odd given my experience with planning and permits in other countries. Hence I’m am saying that as monstrous as this building is, it likely could have got a permit if only minor changes were made to its construction, and I feel that’s wrong.
>my impression has been that if a house is up to code and doesn't impact any by-law, you can build it
That's correct.
Assuming you get a permit, which is what confirm that the proposed construction meets code and Bylaw.
>The reason I say that is even in 'historic' neighbourhoods, the city seems perfectly ok with ultra-modern glass next to wartime cottages and red brick etc
It would be official plan enforced through Bylaw provisions that would allow or restrict this type of construction. I would imagine the projects you're talking about don't conflict with Bylaw.
Alternatively of course there is the committee of adjustment which is the system we have to allow construction to proceed even if it conflicts with Bylaw.
Design enforcement is very light in Ontario. BC and Alberta have far stronger design enforcement mechanisms. But here generally as long as it doesn't conflict with Bylaw you can build it.
Heritage is typically reserved for a heritage structure itself. That is to say a building that is heritage should be maintained as such, but a new building constructed adjacent to heritage rarely has to replicate contextual design.
I’m not referring to this structure specifically. I’m referring to the general planning application process in Hamilton, it seems to permit any structure as long as it doesn’t violate any building code or bylaw. If you strolled through Durand, Kirkendall etc, you’ll see what I mean.
You are very misinformed, you can't just ask for random studies as a resident especially if it's not going through a rezoning or official plan amendment. This is a single family home it would go straight to building permit.
I’ve been paying attention to houses recently and was pretty surprised that the house next door sold recently. When I first saw the house, google maps just had a vacant lot, but when I searched the address I found out about the explosion. Apparently this landlord/owner has lots of issues with their properties.
My fiance and I visited the house next door when we were shopping for homes earlier this year. This monstrosity is actually even worse in person, the shoring was so wide and deep that it was going into the neighbouring yard and threatening to colapse their fence. The home was nice but we didn't consider putting an offer in because of this next door.
I’m specifically looking for a back split so when I find them, I do a bit of digging. Have you found a place yet? It seems that similar properties don’t last long.
We ended up purchasing a 1.5 storey bungalow on the East Mountain that we're very happy with. Back splits are great for all the extra space, but like you said, desirable enough that they're snatched up quickly.
Asked a builder friend of mine what the deal is with that, and he said it needs to be torn down so you’re just buying the lot. Guy is going to take a beating on the final price.
5 and above, give it a shove, 4 and below, keep it low! Rounding baby!
It's not totally out of line with what you see here in Ward 14 - numerous instances where someone has added a second story to an existing bungalow, and it sits between two bungalows. As far as I know, it's totally within the right of the homeowner to do that.
The difference is this went from Bungalow -> gas explosion crater -> two story unfinished plywood eyesore done without permits. I feel like that may make it different than the other conversions.
The owner of this house is still facing open lawsuits over the damage the last property blowing up in a gas explosion did to all the neighbors. Not an inch of this new one has been inspected, and if you look into how much this guy changes his business name when the shite jobs he does far below par and skips with the money you'll see this thing should not be allowed to be sold.
They won't get that much but they'll get it sold.
West Hamilton houses are selling like that now, and they are getting facelifts once bought so I see this selling for like 700, 750K for the property and about that to build the house. Houses in the area sold for over $1M during Covid when the market was most broken, but if it's a long term owner they'll get it. Failing that you'll get some absentee landlord build the house with a look to turning it into a rooming house due to proximity to Mohawk College.Yes, there is lots of CHH around but that hasn't had the impact to house prices as we would've expected
Enh, as I said west mountain (we're just on the other side of Garth to that place and go by there kind of regularly) is still in demand due to proximity to the Linc, Meadowlands and Upper James corridors
I think they will get 700,750 and about that to put in the new house. Something similar happened along Mohawk by there not too long ago, same with when the townhouses were put in where the old one room schoolhouse used to be on Mohawk
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The article quotes this from the listing: >This property has been framed and awaits the finishing touches Finishing touches!
DIY special! Handyman's special!
Is this the house that was almost blown over during a wind storm?
I think you might be thinking of the one in the North End (?), that the city had to stabilize and then partially demolish - https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilton-region/city-spent-nearly-295-000-to-stabilize-unsafe-home-build-in-hamiltons-north-end/article\_7c40d0c0-d000-5857-b399-55cb4209d2bf.html.
Yes, absolutely I was thinking of that one. Thanks!
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No, this is the house that blew up in a gas explosion a few years ago. Left a crater and the lot sat empty until this thing was erected.
That shit hole is just a single story now. Going to stay that way for years probably as well. (The owner and contractor deviated from the original city approved building plans). Last I heard it is in a legal quagmire now.
Let me see if I get this right. $850000 for the lot. If the house was built without a permit it’s basically scrap materials so it will have to be leveled. 🙄🤙🏼🇨🇦
Ya and deconstruction of the house won't be cheap either. Someone I know mentioned that the city was looking at taking it down and billing the owner. In the end it'll be the lowly tax payer that foots yet just another bill.
I would assume that the City would put a lien on the property and would be made whole upon the sale. Of course this depends on the timing of the potential sale. Potentially the new owner would receive the bill and if the issues weren't disclosed, they would have to sue the previous owner to recover the costs. A huge mess and nothing but red flags. Would be shocked if any lawyer doesn't flag all these concerns as part of any purchase and help their clients back out.
I would not allow that monstrosity near my house
This is going to sound like NIMBY'ism, but my impression has been that if a house is up to code and doesn't impact any by-law, you can build it. The reason I say that is even in 'historic' neighbourhoods, the city seems perfectly ok with ultra-modern glass next to wartime cottages and red brick etc. There doesn't seem to be any drive to maintain any flow in terms of architecture. Contrast this to other countries I've lived in, and there are usually some restrictions or requirements when it comes to new builds in an area. All that to say, this house would probably have been approved in some form, yet it's totally out of keeping with the street.
Thay is the exact opposite of nimbyism
Unpermitted construction needs to be torn down every time otherwise no one has any real incentive to seek permits in advance.
This is typically done. But Hamilton has a ^leetle problem with inspections on permits. See that North end house that almost collapsed ( yet was "inspected" twice) and the McMaster Grad residence on Bay where sewage and water lines were crossed.
I’m not saying permits shouldn’t be required. I’m saying permits seem to be granted irrespective of the design and general architecture in the immediate area. I found this odd given my experience with planning and permits in other countries. Hence I’m am saying that as monstrous as this building is, it likely could have got a permit if only minor changes were made to its construction, and I feel that’s wrong.
>my impression has been that if a house is up to code and doesn't impact any by-law, you can build it That's correct. Assuming you get a permit, which is what confirm that the proposed construction meets code and Bylaw. >The reason I say that is even in 'historic' neighbourhoods, the city seems perfectly ok with ultra-modern glass next to wartime cottages and red brick etc It would be official plan enforced through Bylaw provisions that would allow or restrict this type of construction. I would imagine the projects you're talking about don't conflict with Bylaw. Alternatively of course there is the committee of adjustment which is the system we have to allow construction to proceed even if it conflicts with Bylaw. Design enforcement is very light in Ontario. BC and Alberta have far stronger design enforcement mechanisms. But here generally as long as it doesn't conflict with Bylaw you can build it. Heritage is typically reserved for a heritage structure itself. That is to say a building that is heritage should be maintained as such, but a new building constructed adjacent to heritage rarely has to replicate contextual design.
Your impression is wrong. That structure is getting torn down
I’m not referring to this structure specifically. I’m referring to the general planning application process in Hamilton, it seems to permit any structure as long as it doesn’t violate any building code or bylaw. If you strolled through Durand, Kirkendall etc, you’ll see what I mean.
Yes, you can build in whatever style you like. Provided the rules (which govern size and placement) are met.
Oh yeah, and exactly what would you do about it?
Like you have a choice what gets built next to you.
They would have had to notified the neighbours of the development. I would have been against that particular building.
The notice is a courtesy it's not asking for your permission.
Yes but you can oppose the development and request changes to it
That rarely has any effect.
But it can. If I was the neighbour I would request a shadow impact study. I don't want that.. thing.. casting a shadow in my backyard.
You are very misinformed, you can't just ask for random studies as a resident especially if it's not going through a rezoning or official plan amendment. This is a single family home it would go straight to building permit.
That's a lotta chipboard.
😂 pile of sticks and land for 850k. Ya, Okay, let me grab my checkbook.
The sticks aren't included, they're extra. 🤑
you actually have to pay for the bundle of sticks to be removed.
I’ve been paying attention to houses recently and was pretty surprised that the house next door sold recently. When I first saw the house, google maps just had a vacant lot, but when I searched the address I found out about the explosion. Apparently this landlord/owner has lots of issues with their properties.
My fiance and I visited the house next door when we were shopping for homes earlier this year. This monstrosity is actually even worse in person, the shoring was so wide and deep that it was going into the neighbouring yard and threatening to colapse their fence. The home was nice but we didn't consider putting an offer in because of this next door.
I’m specifically looking for a back split so when I find them, I do a bit of digging. Have you found a place yet? It seems that similar properties don’t last long.
We ended up purchasing a 1.5 storey bungalow on the East Mountain that we're very happy with. Back splits are great for all the extra space, but like you said, desirable enough that they're snatched up quickly.
Asked a builder friend of mine what the deal is with that, and he said it needs to be torn down so you’re just buying the lot. Guy is going to take a beating on the final price.
Lot sold for 400k a year ago, let's see if he gets it back.
My friends guess was a little over 300k.
He'll get at least $600K.
'Half' finished is a bit of a stretch. And how does that monstrosity get approved between two single story homes?
5 and above, give it a shove, 4 and below, keep it low! Rounding baby! It's not totally out of line with what you see here in Ward 14 - numerous instances where someone has added a second story to an existing bungalow, and it sits between two bungalows. As far as I know, it's totally within the right of the homeowner to do that. The difference is this went from Bungalow -> gas explosion crater -> two story unfinished plywood eyesore done without permits. I feel like that may make it different than the other conversions.
$850/lmao. He won’t get $300 House is firewood
The owner of this house is still facing open lawsuits over the damage the last property blowing up in a gas explosion did to all the neighbors. Not an inch of this new one has been inspected, and if you look into how much this guy changes his business name when the shite jobs he does far below par and skips with the money you'll see this thing should not be allowed to be sold.
Tony, my spec house!!
They won't get that much but they'll get it sold. West Hamilton houses are selling like that now, and they are getting facelifts once bought so I see this selling for like 700, 750K for the property and about that to build the house. Houses in the area sold for over $1M during Covid when the market was most broken, but if it's a long term owner they'll get it. Failing that you'll get some absentee landlord build the house with a look to turning it into a rooming house due to proximity to Mohawk College.Yes, there is lots of CHH around but that hasn't had the impact to house prices as we would've expected
The house next door listed at 750k and got 735k. So 850k is batshit crazy for a frame and a lot.
Enh, as I said west mountain (we're just on the other side of Garth to that place and go by there kind of regularly) is still in demand due to proximity to the Linc, Meadowlands and Upper James corridors I think they will get 700,750 and about that to put in the new house. Something similar happened along Mohawk by there not too long ago, same with when the townhouses were put in where the old one room schoolhouse used to be on Mohawk
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