Like, I seriously don't get why so many people are upset. He's aromantic, so what? That has no effect on anyone's ships because shipping doesn't--and shouldn't--effect canon.
Yeah, I was honestly really happy for his sexuality when I figure out canonically he is asexual and aromantic. It had me go figure out what those two terms meant, and I really think I’m asexual and aromantic as well! When people started talking down on him for that, I got kinda sad. You should also accept a character, even their sexuality.
I’m 100% fine with the shipping, I’m happy people are enjoying him, like I am. But when you start to bash a creator for making something a certain way, that’s where I draw the line. It’s plain disrespect. It’s so rude. Him being asexual and aromantic shouldn’t affect your view on him. It can just be so stupid sometimes. People are amazing, but they can be stupid a lot.
I discovered asexuality and aromanticism in my last year of high school. Really wish I knew of it’s existence in the years prior.
There wasn’t a specific “ah ha” moment, but I watched Pushing Daisies and the main character is touch repulsed and implied to be asexual (though very clearly a straight romantic). I found out about asexuality around the time I watched it and discovered that I was aro/ace around the time I graduated.
Coming out of the closet had made things so much clearer for me in university and I’m very proud of my sexuality.
There’s still people who don’t take it seriously though and that sucks. “You’re too young to know” was their favourite line, lol. “You’ll fall in love when you find the right person” is something I still get. And one time I was told outright “you can’t not want children” just because I’m a woman lol.
It’s so irritating to see people get up in arms about a fictional character being written as an aromantic asexual. Like I don’t care what you ship, he can’t be offended, but don’t you get all pissy about him being aro/ace. Aces already get shit from some people the LGBT+ community who don’t think we belong with them either.
It’s frustrating, but I hope people come to accept Al as aromantic asexual. He shouldn’t be kept in the closet because people don’t want to face the fact that their ship won’t happen in canon.
I remember a trans (f to m) student in my high school had posters of sexualities to put up and he let me read them. That’s how I learned of asexuality and in that moment, it was obvious. Exploring led me to aromantism and now everything makes sense. Keep exploring for yourself, don’t let others tell you you’re nothing.
Who knows since he can just chance his outfit on the fly, but he must have some sort of attachment to his titular red suit jacket because it is freeing at the edges.
Boi, we know you can sew (voodoo dolls and stuff), so is that supposed to be your aesthetic or something?
1. I think I threw a joke to far
2. Most I know from his design and scenes is that there is some voodoo hints (ex: musical number), but most of his design reflects a deer or elk.
For now we only have the pilot to go off of, so our spectrum is pretty limited.
Nah, I saw the joke, but it made me think about how he's so well dressed and classy but doesn't fix up his jacket, lol.
I hope we see him in plenty different outfits. [His outfit in this picture as a reference to Mary Poppins with Rosie is friggin' adorable] (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/hazbinhotel/images/7/70/Rosie_Ref.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20190103221851)
It’s unfair that al aromantism is the biggest issue in the fandom. It’s as if he’s not allowed to be out of the closet only for fandom shipping. That it’s inconvenient and in the way or boring, upsetting, horrible. Ive dealt with people in love with me and thankfully they’ve all been kind, but other aro/ace don’t receive that kindness. Treated like they’re broken simply because they dont want that kind of love.
It’s sad that viv feels like keeping his romantic orientation quiet is the solution. No one had a problem with angel being gay, but ace/aro seems to be so unwanted in canon. Why can’t his canon character be who he’s written to be and not hidden simply because of shipping.
Exactly!! It drives me crazy to see people saying that they don’t want to watch Hazbin if Alastor is aromantic.
Like, bitch, he’s a fictional character. Even if he was wasn’t aro/ace, he still would never be someone you could actually date. He doesn’t frickin’ exist.
And why the F are people so okay with shipping Charlie even though she’s in a canon relationship or shipping Angel and Vaggie even though they are canonically gay but they can’t accept Alastor being aromantic??? Like, “this doesn’t stop you from shipping. Stop being so butt-hurt over his canon sexuality.”
And like I said, people gotta stop attacking shippers and NAFW artists because they’re only aggravating the discourse by giving shippers a reason to be mad about Al’s sexual orientation. He’s fictional, so people can ship and write and draw whatever they want of him.
Some people are even like “why does she need to confirm his sexuality? It shouldn’t matter.” But, man, it matters a damn lot because how an aro/ace character reacts to certain situations is completely different from literally every other sexuality. Viv has said that she’s comfortable in confirming his asexuality because it affects how she writes the character. It’s sad that the shipping discourse has made her too afraid of confirming is aromanticism. Just goes to show why we have to push for people to chill out and stop getting over what people ship outside of canon.
As an aro ace, it hurt to read the comments complaining about Alastor being aromantic. I know these people probably were only thinking about how they wanted to see Alastor in a relationship in canon, but it’s like they forgot aromantic people are real people. I can’t think of a single aromantic character that isn’t from a book specifically about being aromantic. This is the first time I’ve seen one in something so popular. It means so much to me. The problem is not the people who draw porn of him. It’s not the people who ship him with another character. It’s the people who say “I refuse to see Alastor as asexual.” It’s the people who say “At least he’s not aromantic.” Yeah he’s just a character, but they talk about it like being aromantic or asexual is a bad thing.
> It’s the people who say “I refuse to see Alastor as asexual.” It’s the people who say “At least he’s not aromantic.”
This. The people who ship and draw NSFW are happy and aren't bothering others. I don't know why everyone else can't be like that too. Just enjoy the show and stop fighting.
Yes! This is the first time I've ever seen an aromantic character in media, period. The fact that it's a character from such a popular animation is astounding.
The "at least he's not aromantic" comment was so awful, lol. Like, I know they just want their ship to have a possibility in canon, but damn it hurts when people treat aromanticism like some sort of thing that we should be thankful for it's absence.
As an aro/ace, I like thinking of him as one. I'd probably cry from joy if it popped up in the show, because R E P R E S E N T A T I O N. But anyone can think of any character however they'd like to. That's part of the fun of fandom!
Yes, my fellow aro/ace! The representation is great! And who really gives a damn what people want to ship or whatever. I’ll be too busy gushing over his canon aromantic asexuality!
Terribly sorry that I forgot to put the source for the Alastor and Charlie picture! It is by @ barrel\_shock on Twitter: https://twitter.com/barrel\_shock/status/1191745806740656129?s=20
Also I’ve now crossposted to r/asexuality and r/aromantic
I’m not part of this fandom or ever will be. But thank you for putting this out. Many people here from the lurking I’ve done are nuts about this show and would go out their way to increase their horny meter by a few inches. What you’ve done is that you called them out and told them to chill. That is true bravery and I respect every aspect of it.
Yeah, everybody’s gotta chill. It’s been a little hectic involving Al’s asexuality and now people are finding out he’s aromantic too, and some people were really upset about it. But it’s a fictional character and his sexuality and romantic preference just effects how the creator will write him going forward.
Tbh, I feel like people should be happy because this means they’ll never see a rival ship in Alastor on the show. He’s not gonna have some romantic subplot it make-out with anyone. One can just watch the show and ship their ship on the side.
As Ed Bosco (the VA for Al) put it in one of the streams:
“No ship is leaving port tonight!”
Kills that people are getting angry over Al being AceAro bcs it sinks their ships
When have ships ever really been canon outside of just, fun fan stuff??
AceAro myself n it kills where people are weirded out that I don’t want sexual or romantic relationships hh
The day you become an adult people immediately are like “why are you not dating and having sex?” And then the older you get, the more they nag about how you should be having children and settling down in a family. The worst is the “you just have had the right dick/vag yet” lol.
Yeah it’s like, I’m not quite considered an adult (see: 20 y/o ) and I already have it by some family and relatives, and a few friends and it’s like
1: why the f u c k do you need to know about my sex life
2: I don’t need to be with someone to be happy, I might just be a little touch starved
3: I don’t mind if you think I’m gay, at least you’re not forcing me on blind dates with guys
4: Children terrify me and I’ve been wanting to rid myself of reproductive parts for a very long time
and it’s just like fjdhwjkwjdjdn I can barely take care of myself what do you *mean* I need to share my life intimately with someone else
Man, there's ships I don't like too, but I don't go around the fandom going "Ha, you'll never be canon!". I just move on with my day and let people ship what they want. Why can't everyone be like that? Why is it so different just because he's aro‐ace? And those charlastor tweets... wow. I really hope Viv doesn't cave to fan pressure, it would break my heart, as I am also aro‐ace.
I’m glad to see another aro/ace!
That Twitter picture of the two Charlastor shippers was a good example of people stating they want their ship to be canon with the added intention of pissing off other people, but I’ve seen comments like that for plenty of other ships. And there was one homophobic bitch in particular who harassed Ashley and told her that she was glad her cat died because Ashley’s a RadioDust shipper.
It’s honestly disgusting to see people like that. And I never understood the petty shipping wars. People who actively create discourse and harass people are the lowest of the low.
Wow. I have no words. I knew there was some kind of incident, because they mentioned something on the streams, but I had no idea it was that bad. I mean, harrassing Ashley, one of the sweetest people, over a ship. I just don't get that. It really hurts to see the fandom this way over shipping, when we could easily get along if some people would just let it go.
Here is all the relevant timestamps that I could find on Viv talking about Alastor’s asexuality and aromanticism:
Hazbin Hotel Cleanup part 4 by Ashley Nichols:
2:11:40 (Al doesn't like to be touched, but is very handsy himself)
2:23:12 ("Is Alastor asexual?" --yes)
2:34:30 ("Alastor is shipped with literally everyone in the show thus far")
Hazbin Hotel Cleanup Part 5 by Ashley Nichols:
1:47:20 ("When I know for a fact that something is going to influence a character, I'm like 'alright I can say that'")
1:48:18 (What kind of asexual is Alastor? will he have sex or none at all?" --"Oh, no I'm going to destroy the ship")
2:21:33 ("does \[Al\] have a romantic attraction?" --"If I give the real canon answer...I don't want to ruin anyone's fun")
Surprise Hazbin Hotel Q and A part 2 at 2:17:05
Technically speaking the "real canon answer" could go either way. Perhaps she doesn't want to rip aros from representation, rather than it being the ship thing. I guess it could go either way, I know sinking ships is definitely more likely, but I'm not one to assume.
Also this is old so new info can pop up any time. Has there been any confirmations yet? Has he left the closet yet, dudes?
https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/enkg9z/faustisses_response_to_the_backlash_on_alastors/
Faustisse, the comic lead and friend of Viv’s of 7 years, has talked about it at length. She talked about this past week since people keep bringing it up.
Al is aroace. That’s canon, and changing that for ships that are already non-canon would be disrespectful and pointless, honestly. Hazbin isn’t about romance and ships are all non-canon fun. So ship whomever, but Al is unlikely to ever have a romantic subplot—for multiple reasons including the fact that he’s a narcissist which is also not related to asexuality or aromanticism.
Despite Al likely never having a relationship in Hazbin, aroaces can and do have relationships because both asexuality and aromanticism refer to attraction. Relationships are completely different and people pursue them for many different reasons including companionship.
So not only is Al being aroace not an issue because shipping isn’t canon, being aroace doesn’t prevent anyone from having a relationship. Viv writes him as an aroace, so that’s just what he is.
Yeah, people who are upset about Al being aromantic asexual seriously have no idea what it even means. Aroaces do not lack love—we just don’t experience sexual or romantic attraction to others. Plenty of us value platonic love more and just don’t need romantic or sexual love in our lives.
Every good relationship has platonic love—it’s just the genuine enjoyment around that person and the desire to spend time with and make them happy. Romantic and sexual love is its own thing, but to me, platonic love is the most valuable and genuine type of love; romance and sex is just a different type of expression that I don’t have a need for.
i identify as asexual, so when i found out alastor is ace, i was ecstatic. i was so happy that my favorite character is like me in terms of sexuality. i was kind of hoping he would be aromantic too. i’m not aromantic myself, but i do wish there were more aromantic characters in the media. aro people deserve more representation.
Yeah! It makes me so happy to see representation of asexuality and aromanticism.
I’m just excited to see an aroace character in the show especially since sexual themes will be a large part of Hazbin considering that lust would be a common sin in Hell. I’m used to seeing characters “kinda sort of” implied as ace, but never have I watched anything where their sexuality is outright confirmed. While Viv said that his aromatic asexuality probably won’t be specifically stated in the show considering that the labels didn’t really exist in his time, it does have an impact on his character interactions and how she approaches writing the character. So I’m just ecstatic.
But I feel super chill with people shipping him outside of canon. Ships don’t have to follow the canon sexualities since it’s based on personal taste. It sucks that some people try to force their ship into being canon or some harass others for shipping outside of canon. It shouldn’t matter what people ship and people should respect the canon sexualities and relationships as something that the creator decides.
“Who cares about ships breaking canon” is exactly one of my points.
I don’t mean ignoring his asexuality and aromanticism in shipping is harmful, I mean it’s harmful to reject and attempt to erase his canon asexuality and aromanticism because they are both underrepresented in media.
There isn’t anything wrong with shipping whatever you want out of canon, but nobody should be freaking out about what Alastor is within canon because his sexuality and romantic orientation affects how he is written and is an important part of his characterization.
^^^^^ This. I like ace representation in shows as one myself, and I know many other aces and aros feel the same. That doesn’t mean you can’t ship things at all, it’s just something you shouldn’t expect to see in the show. And that’s fine. :) I shipped him even though I knew he was asexual, and although it would not fit a traditional relationship, being aromantic doesn’t have to affect that either.
I absolutely agree with all of this. I don't have a problem with whatever fan content people want to make, but I am annoyed by the ace and aro erasure, and I'm disappointed by Vivziepop's silence.
As someone who’s aro ace It actually made me quite happy, I don’t usually see any characters like that especially ones that I like, its good to see aro ace ppl get some recognition and characters we can relate to
Yes, she is indeed. You can see a picture of her and her ex-boyfriend in the background in the pilot. We don’t know his name, but he’s Helsa’s brother.
You’re welcome! I didn’t see this comment until now, but it’s so nice to see fellow aromantic asexuals!
I feel like Alastor is a great opportunity for allosexual people to learn about asexuality and aromanticism, and they can also learn about QPRs and alterous attraction. I don’t believe we’ll see Alastor ever enter a relationship in Hazbin, but it’s always nice to inform people that relationships don’t have to be romantic or sexual and that they don’t have to be afraid of shipping an aromantic asexual character out of canon as long as they never harass creators to change the character.
If anything, I'm pretty happy that Alastor is aroace! It's good to have representation like that especially since im on the aro and ace spectrum to a degree, and you don't see that kinda rep in shows very much. It's a good feeling :)
And yeah, headcanon ships shouldn't affect canon ships in any way. I'm fine with people shipping Alastor with whoever they see fit, as long as they respect the canon of it is that he's aroace 
Thank you so so much for this. As someone under the ace umbrella, there are already so few characters that are canonically ace, that it hurt to see people saying "in my headcanon he isnt ace so my ships can work" or being just mad that he could even possibly be ace, despite the fact that as you said, ace people can be in relationships just like anyone else!
We don't agree since Al is such a narcissist to the point where Viv said that he doesn't see anyone on his level in one of the streams, but you can ship whatever you like.
Fuck yea, I know this post is old but thank you. I'm not aro ace btw, but it still hurts to see people on pinterest, ig, twitter ect. saying that he's asexual and not at all aromantic. Aro ace people exist and deserve representation.
Also MallowtonMouse made a comic on twitter about Al being aro ace and accepted and that shit just melted my damn heart.
The threads mostly over so I feel like I have less chance of offending people now but tbh
This shit mad annoying to read (and only read cause im not really involved in any fandom stuff for hazbin) lowkey because the same people who will draw nsfw of alastor and want him not to be aro for his ships are the kind of people who would get pissed at someone for writing a gay or gay seeming character straight or for saying a lesbian seeming character is bi, not to mention if you drew art of either of them that way.
The reality is that youre the exception, not the rule op (in that shipping and drawing a character outside of their canon sexuality doesnt annoy you) and that these people are likely incredibly hypocritical.
Now I'm not saying it annoys me either, do whatwvee you want with a character, just keep it tf away from me if its nsfw. It just annoys me that I know people would be like that if we turned this the other way. If the lgbtq+ community werent constantly picking fights with each other as if theres sides to being a sexual minority, this wouldnt have been such an issue.
This is basically why I’m bringing it up. It shouldn’t be so much of an issue regardless of the ship because we have the ability to just not look at ship stuff and NSFW stuff.
I’m glad he’s aro/ace for personal reasons, but I can’t get angry at people for shipping the character or drawing NSFW stuff. Same goes for other sexualities. Arguing over it and petitioning creators to make certain ships canon etc. scares them away from confirming details that effect how they write their characters.
The reason why I specifically point out aromanticism is that Viv herself has been too afraid to confirm it due to fear of upsetting fans. Out of all the sexualities that she has confirmed, his aromanticism is the only one kept in the closet for this reason. Faustisse wasn’t afraid to say it, and I’m happy for that. In the stream I can’t access anymore, she talked about how this was an issue and why Viv was quiet about it.
How we deal with fan content in general needs to change. People these days have been so quick to anger and condemn people for really harmless stuff. And it sucks because this is why creators are hesitant on confirming LGBTQIA+ stuff. Especially in bigger media where even gay representation still gets pushed off onto one background character kiss.
Rosie and Alastor are still good friends, so you’ll probably still get plenty of scenes with the two having pleasant interactions since their relationship is like that of Jack and Mary Poppins. They’ve gotta do a song together! It would be splendid.
And you can still ship them. Do what you want.
Seems not, but I do hope they have a good relationship in the show. She may still have feeling for him, but he probably won’t reciprocate, but that’s okay.
Viv did say that he finds her charming in one of her streams, so they may still have plenty of cute content even if they will never actually get together in the show.
I wouldn't assume he is aromantic, but it is definitely a big possibility. There are also two other romantic orientations which I think could suit him too, demiromantic and greyromantic. These two are also something that would crush the dreams of fanfiction writers as demi is where you don't feel romantic attraction unless you have a strong emotional bond, which Alastor would have a little to no chance experiencing, and grey includes many things similar to being aromantic.
Those wouldn't crush the dreams of fanfic write because Demi and Greys aren't perceived as a hard "no". Fanfic writers have no problem with disregarding his narcissism, so writing him falling in love with other characters wouldn't have been such a big issue to the shipping community.
Aromanticism on the other hand, means that they do not experience romantic attraction. That doesn't mean that an aro person doesn't ever enter a relationship, but they do not experience romantic attraction like other people do.
And I'm not assuming. Faustisse, Viv's friend of 7 years and official line-artist for the upcoming Alastor comic, has confirmed that he is aromantic asexual. She talked about how Viv was too afraid to confirm it in her second stream of the Alastor comic which I can't get a timestamp for since the uploaded version is blocked in my country--luckily I caught the stream live.
So there isn't much assumption here. People are quick to disregard Faustisse because they don't want to believe her despite her being close with Vivienne and knows a great deal about the characters and the story.
I transcribed her comments about in her third live stream [here] (https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/enkg9z/faustisses_response_to_the_backlash_on_alastors/) if you would like to read it.
So Al is aromantic rather than Demi or Grey. Not that there's anything wrong with being Demi or Grey, but he's been confirmed aromantic, so it's no longer an assumption since.
When did Viv confirm he was aro, again? Idk man though, he started blushing heavily at one point when he started thinking of mass suffering. If he is, that's fine, in the meantime I'll just ship Angel Dust with Husk, because I mentally only allow myself to ship canon ships, or ships that could possibly become canon.
Hazbin Hotel Cleanup Part 5 by Ashley Nichols:
1:47:20 ("When I know for a fact that something is going to influence a character, I'm like 'alright I can say that'")
1:48:18 (What kind of asexual is Alastor? will he have sex or none at all?" --"Oh, no I'm going to destroy the ship")
2:21:33 ("does [Al] have a romantic attraction?" --"If I give the real canon answer...I don't want to ruin anyone's fun")
Aromanticism and asexuality only refers to attraction. Aromantics do not find others romantically attractive and asexuals do not find others sexually attractive. Al getting off on sadism is completely different and not related to sexuality.
Personally, I would like for him to be just asexual - and he is. I think there is a misconception that people get from a real description of what an asexual person is in a nutshell. When you add aroace into place it takes the idea that sex does not need to be needed in a world full of sex. It is offically cannon and i want it to stay that way.
Also remember this show is raunchy as hell. Having a romantic non-sexual relationship or just an asexual character just being out of the sexual scenes between other characters would be awesome.
I am aromantic asexual as well, and while I understand that there are people like you who aren’t comfortable in their aromanticism, not everyone feels that way.
It’s unfortunate that you feel jealous over romantic relationships since you don’t experience romantic attraction, but I am here to tell you that there is more to relationships than just romance and you can still pursue queer platonic relationships and search for someone who is willing to be patient and understanding of your sexuality. Society brings us up to believe that sexual and romantic relationships are all we need and should want, but there’s more options out there if you are willing to search for it and try and make it work. Companionship is not exclusive to strictly platonic or strictly romantic.
With that out of the way, aromanticism shouldn’t be avoided and closeted just because some people have some irrational viewpoint that they’re ship must be canon. This is rediculous. Should we closet Angel’s being gay just so that Angel Dust and Vaggie can be shipped? Viv even stated that he will have sex with women if they pay him, so he shouldn’t have a preference, right? No. His sexuality is important to his characterization, and the distinction between his sexuality and his profession is important. Why is aromanticism different? Why should we pretend that it doesn’t exist in fiction just because a handful of people want to fantacize that their ship is canon.
And Viv establishes this about Al’s character *because* it has a BIG impact on how she writes the character. I am being redundant since I've already gone over this in the picture, but I will say it again:
Alastor’s aromantic asexuality is a part of his character and impacts how he is written when responding to sexual advances of demons in Hell—lust is a common sin after all. As an aro/ace, he has a distinct reaction to being hit on *regardless* of the flirt’s gender or sexuality. Viv mentions in the first Hazbin Q and A that sexuality is a big part of Hazbin as an adult animation, so Al being aromantic asexual is relevant to the themes of the show as well as how the writers make decisions on how Al will act in the show.
Furthermore, as I’ve stated multiple times, aromantic asexuals are not barred from relationships. Relationships are not cut and dry. There are compromises. There are nuances. There are unique circumstances. THIS is why aromantic asexual representation is important. People believe that aromantics are robots with no feelings and no sense of companionship, that we can’t ever be in a relationship, that being in a relationship is cruel. But guess what, honey, Aromantics are just as justified of being in a relationship as anyone else. Maybe they do not enjoy public shows of affection. Maybe they don’t enjoy kissing or holding hands. But that isn’t the case for everyone, and if you find the right person, they will be willing to make compromises for both of you and their happiness. I, for instance, enjoy cuddling; I don’t see it as a romantic gesture and have enjoyed platonic cuddling with friends. Not all aromantics are the same, and it is important for people to understand that.
This is why Al being aromantic asexual is the perfect opportunity to open people up to nuances of the ace spectrum and to help them understand the complexities of relationships and companionship.
Viv didn’t have any sort of agenda with Al. This is evident in the fact that she was so worried about talking about it, and it is upsetting that she felt she had to keep her character in the closet. His aromantic asexuality is just a part of his character, and you are just going to have to accept it.
Shipping has never EVER been a part of canon, and it never should be. The creator is the one who decides what to do with their characters not you nor anyone else. It is their story and their characters.
So be as mad as you like, but do NOT suggest that aromanticism is something meant to be closeted in media for the fantasies of shippers.
I’m aromantic, asexual. If you fantasize about romantic relationships, why does the character’s canon romantic orientation have to be blocked, closeted, ignored for it? Why does charlie have to canon bisexual? Why isn’t Vaggie bisexual? Why is angel gay?
Because that is how they are written. That is there character and it attributes to their life, their history, their actions. Closeting al’s aro just because of shipping is terrible. Like what? Aros can’t have canon representation because it “ruins fun”?
Shipping can ignore canon, a ship may never be canon and having had ships that cannot be canon is a part of shipping.
Aro/ace characters are few and sometimes removed in the case of Riverdale the crappy Archie. What makes it fair to closet aro representation just because shippers are upset about it?
What do you think would happen if vaggie being lesbian was closeted because 1) people want to ship her with men 2) want fantasize dating her or 3) get angry because she and angel would never be canon? People would be upset. Why does ships take precedent over characterization that is written into the canon??
Who may have internalized arophobia, but I do not. QPR, platonic relationships are my jam, but I also ship characters. I have liked ships with alastor even but people forcing viv to closet rare representation is a spit in the face.
Do you understand what “keep it a secret” means? Have you ever been in the closet for fear of people’s wrath, losing relationships, being demonized by society? Dont ever say that is a good thing.
It drives me crazy. People screaming about how no one can ship or simp for a fictional character because of the character's canonical orientation when people have been total fine with shipping straight characters for years. This is also an issue for canon gay and lesbian characters where people try to police fan content around that character as well. They're fictional characters, they literally do not physically exist to have opinions or feelings about fan creations and fan works don't change how a character is in the canon work.
As someone who is neither sexual nor romantic and would not date, I appreciate that characters like myself in that way exist. I really don't care what people want to do with fictional characters in their fanart or fanfiction and it doesn't offend me if they don't stick to the canon orientation. The only thing that bothers me is when people complain about an aroace character existing saying it's bad or upsetting. People who harass others over unimportant things like fan content are really fueling hate towards the existence of aroace characters in media.
I honestly have no beef with his sexuality, but I just wanna know WHERE it was specifically said, like… Canonically.
Because I only heard that he was Ace, and didn’t know he was Aro as well.
It’s also hard to tell what’s real sometimes, because some people who are less knowledgeable often get asexual and Aromantic confused.
This is an old post and I'm avoiding reddit to avoid doom scrolling so it was a fluke that I checked my notifications, but somewhere in this comment section I posted timestamps from livestreams related to the character's sexual and romantic orientation. Here is a link to that comment: [https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/em4nj7/comment/fdxazgq/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/em4nj7/comment/fdxazgq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
As for recently, there were two livestreams within the past month or so where the creator and voice actor mention and talk about Alastor being both asexual and aromantic. I'm not sure if the old livestreams I mentioned in this post still exist on YouTube, but you can find the latest livestreams on an official Hazbin channel. If I recall it was brought up very early in the first interview with Charlie and Alastor's voice actors after the show released on Prime.
I'm not sure how much of my old post you read, but people were talking a lot about how ace =/= aro even back then. My biggest issue was how people were treating aromanticism like a boogieman coming to end their ships and fantasies when shipping really doesn't need to align with canon. Nowadays I see comments saying "aroaces can date and have sex, they aren't robots" which is...I guess inferring those who don't date are robots is the hip thing now. Anyway, he's aroace and that's okay and it really doesn't mean he's off limits for fan works and whatever because he's fictional. I don't think people need to make excuses for shipping or simping for a character because a fictional character doesn't have any opinions or emotions and fan works don't change the character in the canon of the work anyway.
If I miss any responses, I am probably avoiding reddit for my own peace of mind regarding real life issues, so I hope I have answered your question.
Thanks for the answer! And everything you said was completely true! I’m also kinda on the Ace spectrum, being Demisexual, and I have a couple friends as well who are ace, with my kinda Ex being Aromantic and us still being friends!
Honestly, terms are pretty open, and I’m always happy to see different interpretations of them! But I also like when they are respected.
You saying this was so spot on! I honestly don’t do much online besides reading because I’m a weird nerd, so I sometimes need to ask other people for places to find valid information! Thanks a bunch! (Genuinely just want the correct info, because people do confuse Aro and Ace and sometimes think they are the same thing, and it makes me so VERY confused all the time. 😭 )
Someone finally said the thing
Like, I seriously don't get why so many people are upset. He's aromantic, so what? That has no effect on anyone's ships because shipping doesn't--and shouldn't--effect canon.
Yeah, I was honestly really happy for his sexuality when I figure out canonically he is asexual and aromantic. It had me go figure out what those two terms meant, and I really think I’m asexual and aromantic as well! When people started talking down on him for that, I got kinda sad. You should also accept a character, even their sexuality. I’m 100% fine with the shipping, I’m happy people are enjoying him, like I am. But when you start to bash a creator for making something a certain way, that’s where I draw the line. It’s plain disrespect. It’s so rude. Him being asexual and aromantic shouldn’t affect your view on him. It can just be so stupid sometimes. People are amazing, but they can be stupid a lot.
I discovered asexuality and aromanticism in my last year of high school. Really wish I knew of it’s existence in the years prior. There wasn’t a specific “ah ha” moment, but I watched Pushing Daisies and the main character is touch repulsed and implied to be asexual (though very clearly a straight romantic). I found out about asexuality around the time I watched it and discovered that I was aro/ace around the time I graduated. Coming out of the closet had made things so much clearer for me in university and I’m very proud of my sexuality. There’s still people who don’t take it seriously though and that sucks. “You’re too young to know” was their favourite line, lol. “You’ll fall in love when you find the right person” is something I still get. And one time I was told outright “you can’t not want children” just because I’m a woman lol. It’s so irritating to see people get up in arms about a fictional character being written as an aromantic asexual. Like I don’t care what you ship, he can’t be offended, but don’t you get all pissy about him being aro/ace. Aces already get shit from some people the LGBT+ community who don’t think we belong with them either. It’s frustrating, but I hope people come to accept Al as aromantic asexual. He shouldn’t be kept in the closet because people don’t want to face the fact that their ship won’t happen in canon.
I remember a trans (f to m) student in my high school had posters of sexualities to put up and he let me read them. That’s how I learned of asexuality and in that moment, it was obvious. Exploring led me to aromantism and now everything makes sense. Keep exploring for yourself, don’t let others tell you you’re nothing.
Plus, we already have enough problems in the world. It is foolish to make problems out of harmless realities.
Does that mean it's okay to put lesbians and gays in straight ships?
im here for the memes and quality content.
We gotta make "Get Alastor out of the Closet" into a meme It's no wonder he's so well dressed.
Real question now is how many suits dose he have? Maybe 4.
Who knows since he can just chance his outfit on the fly, but he must have some sort of attachment to his titular red suit jacket because it is freeing at the edges. Boi, we know you can sew (voodoo dolls and stuff), so is that supposed to be your aesthetic or something?
1. I think I threw a joke to far 2. Most I know from his design and scenes is that there is some voodoo hints (ex: musical number), but most of his design reflects a deer or elk. For now we only have the pilot to go off of, so our spectrum is pretty limited.
Nah, I saw the joke, but it made me think about how he's so well dressed and classy but doesn't fix up his jacket, lol. I hope we see him in plenty different outfits. [His outfit in this picture as a reference to Mary Poppins with Rosie is friggin' adorable] (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/hazbinhotel/images/7/70/Rosie_Ref.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20190103221851)
Damn, that is a nice look for em.
ye, it is
Ye
As a fellow ace aro from the bottom of my heart, *thank You*
as a fellow ace aro from the bottom of MY heart, thank YOU for existing 😳✨
Yes fellow aro ace 👍
It’s unfair that al aromantism is the biggest issue in the fandom. It’s as if he’s not allowed to be out of the closet only for fandom shipping. That it’s inconvenient and in the way or boring, upsetting, horrible. Ive dealt with people in love with me and thankfully they’ve all been kind, but other aro/ace don’t receive that kindness. Treated like they’re broken simply because they dont want that kind of love. It’s sad that viv feels like keeping his romantic orientation quiet is the solution. No one had a problem with angel being gay, but ace/aro seems to be so unwanted in canon. Why can’t his canon character be who he’s written to be and not hidden simply because of shipping.
Exactly!! It drives me crazy to see people saying that they don’t want to watch Hazbin if Alastor is aromantic. Like, bitch, he’s a fictional character. Even if he was wasn’t aro/ace, he still would never be someone you could actually date. He doesn’t frickin’ exist. And why the F are people so okay with shipping Charlie even though she’s in a canon relationship or shipping Angel and Vaggie even though they are canonically gay but they can’t accept Alastor being aromantic??? Like, “this doesn’t stop you from shipping. Stop being so butt-hurt over his canon sexuality.” And like I said, people gotta stop attacking shippers and NAFW artists because they’re only aggravating the discourse by giving shippers a reason to be mad about Al’s sexual orientation. He’s fictional, so people can ship and write and draw whatever they want of him. Some people are even like “why does she need to confirm his sexuality? It shouldn’t matter.” But, man, it matters a damn lot because how an aro/ace character reacts to certain situations is completely different from literally every other sexuality. Viv has said that she’s comfortable in confirming his asexuality because it affects how she writes the character. It’s sad that the shipping discourse has made her too afraid of confirming is aromanticism. Just goes to show why we have to push for people to chill out and stop getting over what people ship outside of canon.
As an aro ace, it hurt to read the comments complaining about Alastor being aromantic. I know these people probably were only thinking about how they wanted to see Alastor in a relationship in canon, but it’s like they forgot aromantic people are real people. I can’t think of a single aromantic character that isn’t from a book specifically about being aromantic. This is the first time I’ve seen one in something so popular. It means so much to me. The problem is not the people who draw porn of him. It’s not the people who ship him with another character. It’s the people who say “I refuse to see Alastor as asexual.” It’s the people who say “At least he’s not aromantic.” Yeah he’s just a character, but they talk about it like being aromantic or asexual is a bad thing.
> It’s the people who say “I refuse to see Alastor as asexual.” It’s the people who say “At least he’s not aromantic.” This. The people who ship and draw NSFW are happy and aren't bothering others. I don't know why everyone else can't be like that too. Just enjoy the show and stop fighting.
Yes! This is the first time I've ever seen an aromantic character in media, period. The fact that it's a character from such a popular animation is astounding. The "at least he's not aromantic" comment was so awful, lol. Like, I know they just want their ship to have a possibility in canon, but damn it hurts when people treat aromanticism like some sort of thing that we should be thankful for it's absence.
The “at least he isn’t aromantic” is the worst. It’s the same as “No! Anything but that!”
As an aro/ace, I like thinking of him as one. I'd probably cry from joy if it popped up in the show, because R E P R E S E N T A T I O N. But anyone can think of any character however they'd like to. That's part of the fun of fandom!
Yes, my fellow aro/ace! The representation is great! And who really gives a damn what people want to ship or whatever. I’ll be too busy gushing over his canon aromantic asexuality!
Yes yes 👍 fellow aro aces
Terribly sorry that I forgot to put the source for the Alastor and Charlie picture! It is by @ barrel\_shock on Twitter: https://twitter.com/barrel\_shock/status/1191745806740656129?s=20 Also I’ve now crossposted to r/asexuality and r/aromantic
I’m not part of this fandom or ever will be. But thank you for putting this out. Many people here from the lurking I’ve done are nuts about this show and would go out their way to increase their horny meter by a few inches. What you’ve done is that you called them out and told them to chill. That is true bravery and I respect every aspect of it.
Yeah, everybody’s gotta chill. It’s been a little hectic involving Al’s asexuality and now people are finding out he’s aromantic too, and some people were really upset about it. But it’s a fictional character and his sexuality and romantic preference just effects how the creator will write him going forward. Tbh, I feel like people should be happy because this means they’ll never see a rival ship in Alastor on the show. He’s not gonna have some romantic subplot it make-out with anyone. One can just watch the show and ship their ship on the side. As Ed Bosco (the VA for Al) put it in one of the streams: “No ship is leaving port tonight!”
Kills that people are getting angry over Al being AceAro bcs it sinks their ships When have ships ever really been canon outside of just, fun fan stuff?? AceAro myself n it kills where people are weirded out that I don’t want sexual or romantic relationships hh
The day you become an adult people immediately are like “why are you not dating and having sex?” And then the older you get, the more they nag about how you should be having children and settling down in a family. The worst is the “you just have had the right dick/vag yet” lol.
Yeah it’s like, I’m not quite considered an adult (see: 20 y/o ) and I already have it by some family and relatives, and a few friends and it’s like 1: why the f u c k do you need to know about my sex life 2: I don’t need to be with someone to be happy, I might just be a little touch starved 3: I don’t mind if you think I’m gay, at least you’re not forcing me on blind dates with guys 4: Children terrify me and I’ve been wanting to rid myself of reproductive parts for a very long time and it’s just like fjdhwjkwjdjdn I can barely take care of myself what do you *mean* I need to share my life intimately with someone else
That's so true. People are so nosy, but tha's why you shouldn't listen to them and do what's best for you.
Man, there's ships I don't like too, but I don't go around the fandom going "Ha, you'll never be canon!". I just move on with my day and let people ship what they want. Why can't everyone be like that? Why is it so different just because he's aro‐ace? And those charlastor tweets... wow. I really hope Viv doesn't cave to fan pressure, it would break my heart, as I am also aro‐ace.
I’m glad to see another aro/ace! That Twitter picture of the two Charlastor shippers was a good example of people stating they want their ship to be canon with the added intention of pissing off other people, but I’ve seen comments like that for plenty of other ships. And there was one homophobic bitch in particular who harassed Ashley and told her that she was glad her cat died because Ashley’s a RadioDust shipper. It’s honestly disgusting to see people like that. And I never understood the petty shipping wars. People who actively create discourse and harass people are the lowest of the low.
Wow. I have no words. I knew there was some kind of incident, because they mentioned something on the streams, but I had no idea it was that bad. I mean, harrassing Ashley, one of the sweetest people, over a ship. I just don't get that. It really hurts to see the fandom this way over shipping, when we could easily get along if some people would just let it go.
Yeah that gal was soooo friggin’ toxic. I made two posts with links to what she said if you want to know about it. I found out from a Tweet by Ashley.
Very well said and written. ☺
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Pretty sure alastors colors are necrophilia
The sacred texts!
I'm aro ace too and that work is amazing, you really did a really good job !
Thank you! It’s so nice to see fellow aro/ace peeps.
Neat
Here is all the relevant timestamps that I could find on Viv talking about Alastor’s asexuality and aromanticism: Hazbin Hotel Cleanup part 4 by Ashley Nichols: 2:11:40 (Al doesn't like to be touched, but is very handsy himself) 2:23:12 ("Is Alastor asexual?" --yes) 2:34:30 ("Alastor is shipped with literally everyone in the show thus far") Hazbin Hotel Cleanup Part 5 by Ashley Nichols: 1:47:20 ("When I know for a fact that something is going to influence a character, I'm like 'alright I can say that'") 1:48:18 (What kind of asexual is Alastor? will he have sex or none at all?" --"Oh, no I'm going to destroy the ship") 2:21:33 ("does \[Al\] have a romantic attraction?" --"If I give the real canon answer...I don't want to ruin anyone's fun") Surprise Hazbin Hotel Q and A part 2 at 2:17:05
Technically speaking the "real canon answer" could go either way. Perhaps she doesn't want to rip aros from representation, rather than it being the ship thing. I guess it could go either way, I know sinking ships is definitely more likely, but I'm not one to assume. Also this is old so new info can pop up any time. Has there been any confirmations yet? Has he left the closet yet, dudes?
https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/enkg9z/faustisses_response_to_the_backlash_on_alastors/ Faustisse, the comic lead and friend of Viv’s of 7 years, has talked about it at length. She talked about this past week since people keep bringing it up. Al is aroace. That’s canon, and changing that for ships that are already non-canon would be disrespectful and pointless, honestly. Hazbin isn’t about romance and ships are all non-canon fun. So ship whomever, but Al is unlikely to ever have a romantic subplot—for multiple reasons including the fact that he’s a narcissist which is also not related to asexuality or aromanticism. Despite Al likely never having a relationship in Hazbin, aroaces can and do have relationships because both asexuality and aromanticism refer to attraction. Relationships are completely different and people pursue them for many different reasons including companionship. So not only is Al being aroace not an issue because shipping isn’t canon, being aroace doesn’t prevent anyone from having a relationship. Viv writes him as an aroace, so that’s just what he is.
Pretty wholesome, ngl
Yeah, people who are upset about Al being aromantic asexual seriously have no idea what it even means. Aroaces do not lack love—we just don’t experience sexual or romantic attraction to others. Plenty of us value platonic love more and just don’t need romantic or sexual love in our lives. Every good relationship has platonic love—it’s just the genuine enjoyment around that person and the desire to spend time with and make them happy. Romantic and sexual love is its own thing, but to me, platonic love is the most valuable and genuine type of love; romance and sex is just a different type of expression that I don’t have a need for.
Yeah I ain’t aromatic or asexual but I’m not gonna be weird about it. I’m just going to fanon (which I already had to do anyway lmao)
i identify as asexual, so when i found out alastor is ace, i was ecstatic. i was so happy that my favorite character is like me in terms of sexuality. i was kind of hoping he would be aromantic too. i’m not aromantic myself, but i do wish there were more aromantic characters in the media. aro people deserve more representation.
Yeah! It makes me so happy to see representation of asexuality and aromanticism. I’m just excited to see an aroace character in the show especially since sexual themes will be a large part of Hazbin considering that lust would be a common sin in Hell. I’m used to seeing characters “kinda sort of” implied as ace, but never have I watched anything where their sexuality is outright confirmed. While Viv said that his aromatic asexuality probably won’t be specifically stated in the show considering that the labels didn’t really exist in his time, it does have an impact on his character interactions and how she approaches writing the character. So I’m just ecstatic. But I feel super chill with people shipping him outside of canon. Ships don’t have to follow the canon sexualities since it’s based on personal taste. It sucks that some people try to force their ship into being canon or some harass others for shipping outside of canon. It shouldn’t matter what people ship and people should respect the canon sexualities and relationships as something that the creator decides.
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“Who cares about ships breaking canon” is exactly one of my points. I don’t mean ignoring his asexuality and aromanticism in shipping is harmful, I mean it’s harmful to reject and attempt to erase his canon asexuality and aromanticism because they are both underrepresented in media. There isn’t anything wrong with shipping whatever you want out of canon, but nobody should be freaking out about what Alastor is within canon because his sexuality and romantic orientation affects how he is written and is an important part of his characterization.
^^^^^ This. I like ace representation in shows as one myself, and I know many other aces and aros feel the same. That doesn’t mean you can’t ship things at all, it’s just something you shouldn’t expect to see in the show. And that’s fine. :) I shipped him even though I knew he was asexual, and although it would not fit a traditional relationship, being aromantic doesn’t have to affect that either.
I absolutely agree with all of this. I don't have a problem with whatever fan content people want to make, but I am annoyed by the ace and aro erasure, and I'm disappointed by Vivziepop's silence.
I hope that more people will publically show support for aroace Al so she doesn’t feel like she has to keep him in the closet.
" What does the colour mean " " Maybe it means you like meat " Lol I'm dying
Needs more attention
Thank you! I hope that people can accept and learn about aromanticism and asexuality.
As someone who’s aro ace It actually made me quite happy, I don’t usually see any characters like that especially ones that I like, its good to see aro ace ppl get some recognition and characters we can relate to
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Yes, she is indeed. You can see a picture of her and her ex-boyfriend in the background in the pilot. We don’t know his name, but he’s Helsa’s brother.
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You’re welcome! I didn’t see this comment until now, but it’s so nice to see fellow aromantic asexuals! I feel like Alastor is a great opportunity for allosexual people to learn about asexuality and aromanticism, and they can also learn about QPRs and alterous attraction. I don’t believe we’ll see Alastor ever enter a relationship in Hazbin, but it’s always nice to inform people that relationships don’t have to be romantic or sexual and that they don’t have to be afraid of shipping an aromantic asexual character out of canon as long as they never harass creators to change the character.
This is definitely well written and I agree
Thank you!
If anything, I'm pretty happy that Alastor is aroace! It's good to have representation like that especially since im on the aro and ace spectrum to a degree, and you don't see that kinda rep in shows very much. It's a good feeling :) And yeah, headcanon ships shouldn't affect canon ships in any way. I'm fine with people shipping Alastor with whoever they see fit, as long as they respect the canon of it is that he's aroace 
Wait OMG A CANON AROMANTIC ASEXUAL ?
Thank you so so much for this. As someone under the ace umbrella, there are already so few characters that are canonically ace, that it hurt to see people saying "in my headcanon he isnt ace so my ships can work" or being just mad that he could even possibly be ace, despite the fact that as you said, ace people can be in relationships just like anyone else!
I personally think the asexual but not aromantic thing fits the character a bit more, might just be me tho.
We don't agree since Al is such a narcissist to the point where Viv said that he doesn't see anyone on his level in one of the streams, but you can ship whatever you like.
They even said he’d love himself. Narcissists love themselves over all others.
i know i'm 17 days late, but tl;dr please
Open up the pic and there’s bullet points on everything that I cover! They are located right at the beginning. I know that it’s a lot to read, lol.
Fuck yea, I know this post is old but thank you. I'm not aro ace btw, but it still hurts to see people on pinterest, ig, twitter ect. saying that he's asexual and not at all aromantic. Aro ace people exist and deserve representation. Also MallowtonMouse made a comic on twitter about Al being aro ace and accepted and that shit just melted my damn heart.
The threads mostly over so I feel like I have less chance of offending people now but tbh This shit mad annoying to read (and only read cause im not really involved in any fandom stuff for hazbin) lowkey because the same people who will draw nsfw of alastor and want him not to be aro for his ships are the kind of people who would get pissed at someone for writing a gay or gay seeming character straight or for saying a lesbian seeming character is bi, not to mention if you drew art of either of them that way. The reality is that youre the exception, not the rule op (in that shipping and drawing a character outside of their canon sexuality doesnt annoy you) and that these people are likely incredibly hypocritical. Now I'm not saying it annoys me either, do whatwvee you want with a character, just keep it tf away from me if its nsfw. It just annoys me that I know people would be like that if we turned this the other way. If the lgbtq+ community werent constantly picking fights with each other as if theres sides to being a sexual minority, this wouldnt have been such an issue.
This is basically why I’m bringing it up. It shouldn’t be so much of an issue regardless of the ship because we have the ability to just not look at ship stuff and NSFW stuff. I’m glad he’s aro/ace for personal reasons, but I can’t get angry at people for shipping the character or drawing NSFW stuff. Same goes for other sexualities. Arguing over it and petitioning creators to make certain ships canon etc. scares them away from confirming details that effect how they write their characters. The reason why I specifically point out aromanticism is that Viv herself has been too afraid to confirm it due to fear of upsetting fans. Out of all the sexualities that she has confirmed, his aromanticism is the only one kept in the closet for this reason. Faustisse wasn’t afraid to say it, and I’m happy for that. In the stream I can’t access anymore, she talked about how this was an issue and why Viv was quiet about it. How we deal with fan content in general needs to change. People these days have been so quick to anger and condemn people for really harmless stuff. And it sucks because this is why creators are hesitant on confirming LGBTQIA+ stuff. Especially in bigger media where even gay representation still gets pushed off onto one background character kiss.
RIP my otp aha
Rosie and Alastor are still good friends, so you’ll probably still get plenty of scenes with the two having pleasant interactions since their relationship is like that of Jack and Mary Poppins. They’ve gotta do a song together! It would be splendid. And you can still ship them. Do what you want.
Yeah i know, but i always feel like i should follow the canon
Even so, you could always ship them as a QPR
Oh now I feel bad simping for him
Same
Ssooooooo..........no Alastor and mimzy?
Seems not, but I do hope they have a good relationship in the show. She may still have feeling for him, but he probably won’t reciprocate, but that’s okay.
:(
Viv did say that he finds her charming in one of her streams, so they may still have plenty of cute content even if they will never actually get together in the show.
I wouldn't assume he is aromantic, but it is definitely a big possibility. There are also two other romantic orientations which I think could suit him too, demiromantic and greyromantic. These two are also something that would crush the dreams of fanfiction writers as demi is where you don't feel romantic attraction unless you have a strong emotional bond, which Alastor would have a little to no chance experiencing, and grey includes many things similar to being aromantic.
Those wouldn't crush the dreams of fanfic write because Demi and Greys aren't perceived as a hard "no". Fanfic writers have no problem with disregarding his narcissism, so writing him falling in love with other characters wouldn't have been such a big issue to the shipping community. Aromanticism on the other hand, means that they do not experience romantic attraction. That doesn't mean that an aro person doesn't ever enter a relationship, but they do not experience romantic attraction like other people do. And I'm not assuming. Faustisse, Viv's friend of 7 years and official line-artist for the upcoming Alastor comic, has confirmed that he is aromantic asexual. She talked about how Viv was too afraid to confirm it in her second stream of the Alastor comic which I can't get a timestamp for since the uploaded version is blocked in my country--luckily I caught the stream live. So there isn't much assumption here. People are quick to disregard Faustisse because they don't want to believe her despite her being close with Vivienne and knows a great deal about the characters and the story. I transcribed her comments about in her third live stream [here] (https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/enkg9z/faustisses_response_to_the_backlash_on_alastors/) if you would like to read it. So Al is aromantic rather than Demi or Grey. Not that there's anything wrong with being Demi or Grey, but he's been confirmed aromantic, so it's no longer an assumption since.
When did Viv confirm he was aro, again? Idk man though, he started blushing heavily at one point when he started thinking of mass suffering. If he is, that's fine, in the meantime I'll just ship Angel Dust with Husk, because I mentally only allow myself to ship canon ships, or ships that could possibly become canon.
Hazbin Hotel Cleanup Part 5 by Ashley Nichols: 1:47:20 ("When I know for a fact that something is going to influence a character, I'm like 'alright I can say that'") 1:48:18 (What kind of asexual is Alastor? will he have sex or none at all?" --"Oh, no I'm going to destroy the ship") 2:21:33 ("does [Al] have a romantic attraction?" --"If I give the real canon answer...I don't want to ruin anyone's fun") Aromanticism and asexuality only refers to attraction. Aromantics do not find others romantically attractive and asexuals do not find others sexually attractive. Al getting off on sadism is completely different and not related to sexuality.
Thank you!
Personally, I would like for him to be just asexual - and he is. I think there is a misconception that people get from a real description of what an asexual person is in a nutshell. When you add aroace into place it takes the idea that sex does not need to be needed in a world full of sex. It is offically cannon and i want it to stay that way.
Also remember this show is raunchy as hell. Having a romantic non-sexual relationship or just an asexual character just being out of the sexual scenes between other characters would be awesome.
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I am aromantic asexual as well, and while I understand that there are people like you who aren’t comfortable in their aromanticism, not everyone feels that way. It’s unfortunate that you feel jealous over romantic relationships since you don’t experience romantic attraction, but I am here to tell you that there is more to relationships than just romance and you can still pursue queer platonic relationships and search for someone who is willing to be patient and understanding of your sexuality. Society brings us up to believe that sexual and romantic relationships are all we need and should want, but there’s more options out there if you are willing to search for it and try and make it work. Companionship is not exclusive to strictly platonic or strictly romantic. With that out of the way, aromanticism shouldn’t be avoided and closeted just because some people have some irrational viewpoint that they’re ship must be canon. This is rediculous. Should we closet Angel’s being gay just so that Angel Dust and Vaggie can be shipped? Viv even stated that he will have sex with women if they pay him, so he shouldn’t have a preference, right? No. His sexuality is important to his characterization, and the distinction between his sexuality and his profession is important. Why is aromanticism different? Why should we pretend that it doesn’t exist in fiction just because a handful of people want to fantacize that their ship is canon. And Viv establishes this about Al’s character *because* it has a BIG impact on how she writes the character. I am being redundant since I've already gone over this in the picture, but I will say it again: Alastor’s aromantic asexuality is a part of his character and impacts how he is written when responding to sexual advances of demons in Hell—lust is a common sin after all. As an aro/ace, he has a distinct reaction to being hit on *regardless* of the flirt’s gender or sexuality. Viv mentions in the first Hazbin Q and A that sexuality is a big part of Hazbin as an adult animation, so Al being aromantic asexual is relevant to the themes of the show as well as how the writers make decisions on how Al will act in the show. Furthermore, as I’ve stated multiple times, aromantic asexuals are not barred from relationships. Relationships are not cut and dry. There are compromises. There are nuances. There are unique circumstances. THIS is why aromantic asexual representation is important. People believe that aromantics are robots with no feelings and no sense of companionship, that we can’t ever be in a relationship, that being in a relationship is cruel. But guess what, honey, Aromantics are just as justified of being in a relationship as anyone else. Maybe they do not enjoy public shows of affection. Maybe they don’t enjoy kissing or holding hands. But that isn’t the case for everyone, and if you find the right person, they will be willing to make compromises for both of you and their happiness. I, for instance, enjoy cuddling; I don’t see it as a romantic gesture and have enjoyed platonic cuddling with friends. Not all aromantics are the same, and it is important for people to understand that. This is why Al being aromantic asexual is the perfect opportunity to open people up to nuances of the ace spectrum and to help them understand the complexities of relationships and companionship. Viv didn’t have any sort of agenda with Al. This is evident in the fact that she was so worried about talking about it, and it is upsetting that she felt she had to keep her character in the closet. His aromantic asexuality is just a part of his character, and you are just going to have to accept it. Shipping has never EVER been a part of canon, and it never should be. The creator is the one who decides what to do with their characters not you nor anyone else. It is their story and their characters. So be as mad as you like, but do NOT suggest that aromanticism is something meant to be closeted in media for the fantasies of shippers.
I’m aromantic, asexual. If you fantasize about romantic relationships, why does the character’s canon romantic orientation have to be blocked, closeted, ignored for it? Why does charlie have to canon bisexual? Why isn’t Vaggie bisexual? Why is angel gay? Because that is how they are written. That is there character and it attributes to their life, their history, their actions. Closeting al’s aro just because of shipping is terrible. Like what? Aros can’t have canon representation because it “ruins fun”? Shipping can ignore canon, a ship may never be canon and having had ships that cannot be canon is a part of shipping. Aro/ace characters are few and sometimes removed in the case of Riverdale the crappy Archie. What makes it fair to closet aro representation just because shippers are upset about it? What do you think would happen if vaggie being lesbian was closeted because 1) people want to ship her with men 2) want fantasize dating her or 3) get angry because she and angel would never be canon? People would be upset. Why does ships take precedent over characterization that is written into the canon?? Who may have internalized arophobia, but I do not. QPR, platonic relationships are my jam, but I also ship characters. I have liked ships with alastor even but people forcing viv to closet rare representation is a spit in the face. Do you understand what “keep it a secret” means? Have you ever been in the closet for fear of people’s wrath, losing relationships, being demonized by society? Dont ever say that is a good thing.
It’s so awful how people discredit ace representation because they believe that ace people can’t be in relationships.
I know Al is ace but when was it confirmed that he is aromantic? I haven’t been able to find it anywhere.
A post or a couple above u there’s info on that , Multi-tunes has all the time stamps and stuff about that above u
Thanks!
I still wanna fuck him tho
Also same
I'm pretty sure he's just regular asexual
God forbid you can't date or write fanfiction about a fictional character because they're aroace. 🙄
It drives me crazy. People screaming about how no one can ship or simp for a fictional character because of the character's canonical orientation when people have been total fine with shipping straight characters for years. This is also an issue for canon gay and lesbian characters where people try to police fan content around that character as well. They're fictional characters, they literally do not physically exist to have opinions or feelings about fan creations and fan works don't change how a character is in the canon work. As someone who is neither sexual nor romantic and would not date, I appreciate that characters like myself in that way exist. I really don't care what people want to do with fictional characters in their fanart or fanfiction and it doesn't offend me if they don't stick to the canon orientation. The only thing that bothers me is when people complain about an aroace character existing saying it's bad or upsetting. People who harass others over unimportant things like fan content are really fueling hate towards the existence of aroace characters in media.
I honestly have no beef with his sexuality, but I just wanna know WHERE it was specifically said, like… Canonically. Because I only heard that he was Ace, and didn’t know he was Aro as well. It’s also hard to tell what’s real sometimes, because some people who are less knowledgeable often get asexual and Aromantic confused.
This is an old post and I'm avoiding reddit to avoid doom scrolling so it was a fluke that I checked my notifications, but somewhere in this comment section I posted timestamps from livestreams related to the character's sexual and romantic orientation. Here is a link to that comment: [https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/em4nj7/comment/fdxazgq/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/em4nj7/comment/fdxazgq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) As for recently, there were two livestreams within the past month or so where the creator and voice actor mention and talk about Alastor being both asexual and aromantic. I'm not sure if the old livestreams I mentioned in this post still exist on YouTube, but you can find the latest livestreams on an official Hazbin channel. If I recall it was brought up very early in the first interview with Charlie and Alastor's voice actors after the show released on Prime. I'm not sure how much of my old post you read, but people were talking a lot about how ace =/= aro even back then. My biggest issue was how people were treating aromanticism like a boogieman coming to end their ships and fantasies when shipping really doesn't need to align with canon. Nowadays I see comments saying "aroaces can date and have sex, they aren't robots" which is...I guess inferring those who don't date are robots is the hip thing now. Anyway, he's aroace and that's okay and it really doesn't mean he's off limits for fan works and whatever because he's fictional. I don't think people need to make excuses for shipping or simping for a character because a fictional character doesn't have any opinions or emotions and fan works don't change the character in the canon of the work anyway. If I miss any responses, I am probably avoiding reddit for my own peace of mind regarding real life issues, so I hope I have answered your question.
Thanks for the answer! And everything you said was completely true! I’m also kinda on the Ace spectrum, being Demisexual, and I have a couple friends as well who are ace, with my kinda Ex being Aromantic and us still being friends! Honestly, terms are pretty open, and I’m always happy to see different interpretations of them! But I also like when they are respected. You saying this was so spot on! I honestly don’t do much online besides reading because I’m a weird nerd, so I sometimes need to ask other people for places to find valid information! Thanks a bunch! (Genuinely just want the correct info, because people do confuse Aro and Ace and sometimes think they are the same thing, and it makes me so VERY confused all the time. 😭 )