i love how people think the flu isn't that serious. for many, maybe not, but it still kills people every year. it's also a miserable virus to have.
i'd appreciate it if people stopped spreading nasty contagion and just stayed the fuck home when sick.
100%. And granted there is usually a less intense variant each season, but the flu is no joke. Last time I had it, I could barely get out of bed for four days and had a 102-103 degree fever. Slept literally all day and night. Took two weeks to get better. That’s what I think of when I think of influenza. Often capped off with a nice round of bronchitis for the lucky asthma sufferers. No biggie, right?
Had it for sure in May 2019 and felt like I was nearing death. Then had an unconfirmed case (insurance issues, couldn't afford a doctor visit) October 2022 and felt like I needed to write my will. I was delirious. I coughed so hard I gagged until I puked, and I was nauseous from puking so I wasn't eating. It was actual hell.
A lot of people call things "flu" that aren't influenza. ("Stomach flu" is one of the weirder ones.) I think that leads to the impression that it's less serious than it actually is.
Currently barely surviving Influenza A. It's been a while since I had the flu, I'm fully vaccinated, and I'm still struggling. Double ear infections and pneumonia.
Shit sucks.
I have COVID 4 times, once before the jab and 3 times after it.
For me the flu was 100x worse than any time I had COVID, I know it's not the same for everyone but I would chose COVID over the flu every time.
A lot less Trump voters… many of them won the Herman Caine Award. Some won the Darwin Award. The loss of these elderly anti vaxxed voters was one of the reasons Trump lost in 2020.
At first it used to bother me, and then the CDC released something that said that over 90% of new COVID deaths were among the un vaccinated.
It stop bothering me after that. I know the unvaccinated tend to overwhelmingly be conservative. I've completely run out of patience and empathy with these people. It is what it is at this point.
Honestly, All things considered..... It couldn't have happened to a finer group of people. 😑
On the one hand, it sucks that people are dying. On the other hand, when you look at who is doing all this dying, it doesn't bother me that much.
Thanks for that post. If you have co-morbidities like type 2 diabetes, over 50 yrs old, obesity, a weakened immune system, or heart disease, Covid can be fatal.
*for you* but [between 7 to 25 million people died from covid during the pandemic](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-cumulative-economist-single-entity) so it wasn’t “just the flu”. Your runny nose is not a statistic.
7 is the “official” count. 25 is the central estimate based on excess deaths during the pandemic. If you clicked on the link I provided you would clearly see that.
It’s a graph. It has useful information such as a low estimate (18 million), a central estimate and a high estimate (35 million). I said 25 million because it’s right around the central estimate.
What an ignorant statement, as millions of people who, “just felt like a cold” now have long covid symptoms that have lasted years.
When you don’t understand something fully, it’s best to just shut up about it…
But I guess the anonymity of the internet really lets people just spout off whatever bullshit they think, no matter how stupid it is.
Just because the acute phase treatments are similar doesn’t equate to the same impact later down the line. Studies show long term health loss is much greater with covid
If they are drinking raw milk, they are already completely fucking stupid. You DO NOT want Listeria, yet these fuckers take the risk all the fucking time... Because they are worried about the deliterious effects of small amounts of heat...
It’s not the only reason for drinking raw milk. I’m not advocating the drinking of raw milk because it does come with serious risks as you mentioned I.e Listeria, and long list of various other diseases.
It’s rich in bacteria. Good bacteria, and as we stated potentially some with fatal/life altering sickness. Yet, it is one of natures most powerful probiotics. Not only, it is rich in bioavailable macro and micronutrients.
Yes, there are FAR safer ways of getting that same bacteria. People are lazy, let’s educate them instead, and perhaps make that easier and more accessible.
Also, not all of these people are “completely fucking stupid”. Imagine growing up on a farm, and for generations your family has consumed raw milk. Then some guy on Reddit calls your families’ generational lifestyle “fucking stupid”.
Have some more compassion, and then maybe we could actually have forward discourse. Plus educational opportunities. No one is going to want to listen to you if you call them a fucking idiot.
I go the other way. I will buy them their next cold full glass regardless if it spreads and has a high cfr.
I am all for their freedom to consume, by all means
how is that any different from buying someone a drink of tequila or a cigarette?
let people do what they want and the fates will roll the dice for them.
yes reading comprehension is poor.
they know the risk and are currently participating in increased risk taking as a result.
I encourage their freedom to consume whatever product they wish to.
These are the same people who are into pseudoscience. Just look at those "wellness influencers" on social media insisting on drinking (contaminated) well water because it's *good for you* and they refused to drink filtered water because *they remove essential minerals* while failing to realize that most people get their minerals from foods. But I'm sure they'll change their mind and start drinking filtered water if their favorite MLM companies started getting into the water filter business one day.
I saw a comment on a YT video and the dude said “whatever the government says, do the opposite”. That’s just Darwinism. Take all your seatbelts out. Much safer.
Honestly people like yourselves are so disconnected from a community of raw milk drinkers you really don’t have any idea one way or another. I’m not saying they are right or wrong but people are so ignorantly judgmental.
A lot of “raw milk fans” get their raw milk locally and it has nothing to do with a mass distribution network of raw milk which is honestly kind of dumb. Like if there was one way to ensure a fucked product it would be to industrialize it.
My daughter and her two cousins ate ice cream made ACCIDENTALLY from unpasteurised milk at a shop. All of them got sick, with her cousin, who ate the most getting so sick she almost died. E.Coli poisoning. Her cousin was in the beginning stages of HUS when she turned around and did survive. This ‘Raw milk’ thing is insane.
People really act like milk is the only source of certain nutrients. Who cares if some vitamins get cooked away? You should be eating other vitamin sources anyway.
Listen. I have drank unpasteurized milk from a frequently tested farm. We can debate whether or not frequent testing and hygienic methods can keep average pathogens at bay any day of the week.
No fucking way would I do this with the possibility of active virile material in the milk. That’s insane.
This is it exactly. We drank raw milk from a farm for years and years; their cleanliness and scrupulous testing was very important to us. That was *delicious* milk, too. The things I made w that stuff, guys...
But now? Hell. The fuck. No.
Exactly. I have drunk raw milk off and on for most of my life. I have lived in places where the choice was raw milk or no milk. It’s not about demonizing raw milk.
But there is no way in hell that I would be drinking it right now when there is a genuine risk of contracting an extremely deadly virus with a worrisome potential to cause another major, and likely much worse, pandemic.
It's funny my ex was a big raw milk person. She hadn't been able to find it and finally got a source. Seriously, it felt like a drug deal. We met these folks in the back of an autoshop to buy it.
She swore about how good it was the health benefits all that jazz. So, about 2 weeks into drinking raw milk every day, she wasn't feeling well one night and had me drive her to the hospital at midnight.
Extreme stomach pains, excessive gas, bloating, etc. She claimed it was from pizza that she had at work. That I also ate and was fine. She said the Dr told her it was most likely caused by the raw milk, but no way. Raw milk is super healthy blah blah blah.
Long story short, she's still complaining about her gastrointestinal issues on socials and blames everything under the sun. Still drinks raw milk every fuckin day.
Funny thing she dumped me because my depression was giving her too many negative vibes. My best friend had just killed himself a week prior, so yeah, I was pretty fuckin depressed.
I'm glad to call her an ex. She's a terrible person.
She definitely sounds like a terrible person. Sorry about your friend, my good friend did the same. My girlfriend at the time kind of acted the same way as yours because I was upset. A year later my mom passed away and she thought it was a great time to break up and go on vacation somewhere tropical with a dude she had just met online. We don't talk anymore.
Too bad, possibly you could have told your ex that every cat that drank H5N1 infected raw milk died a horrendous and horrible death.
But this is new level. They are willing to accelerate the spread of this virus to humans for no reason except to troll the libs. This obsession is dangerous for them too, but nothing is more important than hate
A lot of them have nothing but the apocalypse to look forward to supposedly. Think about that. They are waiting for the sky to fall any minute. They welcome death. It's sick!
Child mortality rates were very high until about the start of the 20th century. 30-50% of children did not live past the age of 5 before then. Today it’s under 4%
Don't forget back in the 1800s (before the fda), they used to add chalk, white paint, embalming fluid and cow brains to enhance the milks color and flavor. Hundreds of of children died from this practice and this was a huge contributer to the FDA being formed.
There's an amazing documentary called "the poison squad", which is about the amazing people who agreed to eat known poisons in quantity to study the effects on the body to prove the deadly chemicals shouldn't be added to human food. Amazing watch *(and heartbreaking to see how dumb/cruel people can be just to save a buck....)*
You answered your own question . A large portion of the population didn’t make it and hygiene, cleanliness, disease , water contamination were all major factors on top of diseases that we now have vaccines for
Arguing with raw milk chuds is like talking to a brick wall. It's wide spread oppositional defiance disorder.
They do it BECAUSE people tell them not to.
They think you're trying to control them and have conpiracy level arguments as to why it's banned and how it's better than pasteurized, yet they can't provide a single shred of evidence.
I'll probably get brigaded and reddit cares for this post, huge overlap with the red pill incel crowd
I was being silly with that comment. But down that path, as long as they flock together...
The bigger problem there is their children and infecting them.
Except they become incubators for the virus to get used to human bodies, making you and I and everyone else more vulnerable in the future to a virus more adapted to humans.
They also become a burden on the local health system.
Well, not sure how this really works in the US but these sorts of extreme thinking seem to also percolate all over the world..
You can buy it from a farmer if it’s “not for human consumption.” But who is going to stop you from consuming it when you get home? They already sold it to you anyway?
An accessible, effective vaccine for the rest of us for when the virus mutates in these idiots and makes the jump to be transmissible person-to-person. Thats the only option. We already know from COVID that other measures won’t work.
Thankfully, we already have a stockpile, but the vaccine will likely need to be updated once the virus mutates.
It's a scary time to be immunocompromised...I have to worry constantly about idiots around me being contagious and many things just aren't safe enough for me to partake. :(
I used to have a recurring nightmare where I was one of six survivors on a wooden lifeboat and there was one idiot who kept doing stuff causing the boat to almost tip over. It was scary.
I think of that dream now and then because it seems there's alway stupid idiots putting the rest of us in some kind of jeopardy. Like the anti-vaxxers.
How are you in jeopardy? Are you not protected? Or does your bulletproof vest not stop a bullet unless everyone around you is wearing a bulletproof vest also?
In case it's not clear, I'm not talking about your dream, I'm talking about your anti-vaxxer comment. Who are they putting at risk other than people who are willing to accept the risk? Vaccines work, right?
A virus is not like a bullet, although bullets can ricochet.
Herd immunity is helpful because it can more completely stop the spread of a viral infection on an entire continent. Polio is almost completely absent from North America.
Vaccines are not perfect so if you are in contact with a carrier, you still run the risk, although that risk is not as great as if you were not vaccinated.
If someone you care about has an already weakened immune system due to age or other diseases then you are increasing the likelihood of their death by not being vaccinated.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808#:~:text=Herd%20immunity%20occurs%20when%20a,when%20herd%20immunity%20is%20achieved.
Humans get so enamored with their own points of view... Logic gets thrown away in the race to be 'righter' than everyone else. I know that's not a word but illustrating the idiocy.
He’ll great you at the pearly gates and ask, “what kind of dumbass are you, drinking raw milk? God created science for a reason! Now turn right around and take the stairs down to your real destination.”
From the article:
> According to McAfee, his customers believe, without evidence, that directly drinking high levels of the avian influenza virus will give them immunity to the deadly pathogen.
They didn't learn a damn thing from the pandemic.
Or school, or other people, or free research papers available online, health guideline publications and history. These people sumply cannot learn a thing...
Breast milk, after infancy - and from another species. Kinda weird to begin with, imo. But this does seem like a viable origin tale/vector for a plague.
Raw milk is also a staple of the granola cruncher crowd. As a kid I lived in Marin County, California which goes like 90% Democrat and I remember having friends whose parents would only ever allow them to drink raw milk. It was a big deal at the co-ops too and far more expensive than regular store milk. This was in the days where even Odwalla wasn't pasteurized until a bunch of people died.
I think after everyone had access to the vaccine , Maryland deaths for one entire month were 100% unvaccinated. I’m sure not every month but I remember this cuz the governor was making a point about it in the news .
He was a Republican and they still didn’t listen
Except they become vectors for the virus to incubate in and get used to a human host then passing it on to everyone they come into contact with and so on 🤷♀️ it’s actually frightening.
I agree with this, but only on two conditions:
- the smoothbrains who drink it get denied whatever health insurance benefits they might have because they did something that reckless, and
- should they transmit any illness borne from raw milk, those to whom they transmitted the illness to can sue for damages.
The CDC states the virus hasn’t been acquired from drinking raw milk. The risk is currently theoretical, in their own words.
I don’t drink raw milk because I don’t have a source I trust enough with handling it properly, but it does have benefits over pasteurized milk.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/spotlights/2023-2024/bird-flu-response-update.html
>> According to McAfee, his customers believe, without evidence, that directly drinking high levels of the avian influenza virus will give them immunity to the deadly pathogen.
I recently wrote a post on my predictions on how this would go. While I do predict they’ll be purposefully putting it into their eyes, I missed drinking high levels of the virus on purpose! I guess that’s just a given though lol
Pasteurization kills the virus. It’s giving it the opportunity to adapt to humans that’s the issue. Frankly we can’t control the idiots, COVID showed us that. All we can’t do is wear good quality well fitted masks and vaccinate when able
‘The risk of human infection from drinking raw milk containing live A(H5N1) virus specifically is unknown. To date, A(H5N1) viruses have not acquired the ability to bind to virus receptors that are most prevalent in the upper respiratory tract of people.’
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/spotlights/2023-2024/bird-flu-response-update.html
So, uh, how soon can I make an appointment to get an H5N1 vaccine for myself and my family? Don’t worry about my work schedule, I’ll take time off if needed.
This is what we get when the myth of hybrid immunity or [immunity debt](https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-medical-critical-thinking/claims-immunity-debt-children-owe-us-evidence) (or immunity *theft*) is pushed by health authorities and politicians around the world.
I had to re-read the title for a second.
"RAW" milk lol
I was just about to ask, I thought they said the milk was safe to drink just last week? But yeah. *pasteurized* milk is probably safe lol
The reality is that the vast majority of humans are lactose intolerant or sensitive and for optimal health probably shouldn’t be drinking or eating the breast milk of other species anyway. For those who aren’t sensitive or intolerant it’s still not really an ideal source of the nutrients it’s been purported to deliver and may even have mild some inflammatory properties. Anyone serious about optimizing their health should be avoiding or minimizing dairy.
And raw is just next level insane. But you know…if people are this stupid we can just hope they don’t reproduce.
I deliberately switched to UHT pasteurized milk and plan to stay on it for the next few months while more information becomes available.
It's more expensive, but if it's only for a few months, then the total cost is only going to be like $40 total.
That's nice and all, but I still don't want that shit evolving to spread from human to human. It would make covid look like seasonal allergies based on current mortality rates.
PASTURIZED milk has traces of the dead/inactive virus….ya know because it was killed by the pasteurization process, raw milk has the opposite just squirming around….and that’s the issue.
If the cow contracts the virus and recovers, it *might* pass along immunity in its colostrum. Not sure how many raw milk drinkers drink the colostrum. It’s kind of gross.
What is wrong with people lol
Remember when people were intentionally getting covid because they thought it was “just the flu”? There’s a lot of really dumb people out there
i love how people think the flu isn't that serious. for many, maybe not, but it still kills people every year. it's also a miserable virus to have. i'd appreciate it if people stopped spreading nasty contagion and just stayed the fuck home when sick.
100%. And granted there is usually a less intense variant each season, but the flu is no joke. Last time I had it, I could barely get out of bed for four days and had a 102-103 degree fever. Slept literally all day and night. Took two weeks to get better. That’s what I think of when I think of influenza. Often capped off with a nice round of bronchitis for the lucky asthma sufferers. No biggie, right?
Had it for sure in May 2019 and felt like I was nearing death. Then had an unconfirmed case (insurance issues, couldn't afford a doctor visit) October 2022 and felt like I needed to write my will. I was delirious. I coughed so hard I gagged until I puked, and I was nauseous from puking so I wasn't eating. It was actual hell.
Holy hell! I’m glad you pulled through and are better.
couldn’t agree more
But how can your boss watch you if you stay home every time you’re infected by a deadly pathogen?
A lot of people call things "flu" that aren't influenza. ("Stomach flu" is one of the weirder ones.) I think that leads to the impression that it's less serious than it actually is.
I hate that people still use the term “stomach flu” as like you said isn’t caused by influenza. It really downplays how bad actual flu is.
Currently barely surviving Influenza A. It's been a while since I had the flu, I'm fully vaccinated, and I'm still struggling. Double ear infections and pneumonia. Shit sucks.
Feel better soon, it's scary shit!
What's a little projectile diarrhea if you get to own those libs!
That is hilarious!
Even if you think that the flu isn't 'serious', it's not something I would be signing up for voluntarily
I have COVID 4 times, once before the jab and 3 times after it. For me the flu was 100x worse than any time I had COVID, I know it's not the same for everyone but I would chose COVID over the flu every time.
I had H1N1 I needed help getting to the bathroom. Was in my 20s. Passed it to my step-granda nearly killed her.
A lot less Trump voters… many of them won the Herman Caine Award. Some won the Darwin Award. The loss of these elderly anti vaxxed voters was one of the reasons Trump lost in 2020.
People get a heavy cold and think that that's what the flu is
At first it used to bother me, and then the CDC released something that said that over 90% of new COVID deaths were among the un vaccinated. It stop bothering me after that. I know the unvaccinated tend to overwhelmingly be conservative. I've completely run out of patience and empathy with these people. It is what it is at this point. Honestly, All things considered..... It couldn't have happened to a finer group of people. 😑 On the one hand, it sucks that people are dying. On the other hand, when you look at who is doing all this dying, it doesn't bother me that much.
The bird flu is just the flu.
technically the truth
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How do you think those people got Covid?
Thanks for that post. If you have co-morbidities like type 2 diabetes, over 50 yrs old, obesity, a weakened immune system, or heart disease, Covid can be fatal.
Just as any other virus that can tips you over the edge
Right.
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*for you* but [between 7 to 25 million people died from covid during the pandemic](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-cumulative-economist-single-entity) so it wasn’t “just the flu”. Your runny nose is not a statistic.
7 to 25 million is quite a wide range, why even make an official estimate
7 is the “official” count. 25 is the central estimate based on excess deaths during the pandemic. If you clicked on the link I provided you would clearly see that.
Why would I click the link to read that the official estimate is 7 million but we say maybe it's 25 million?
It’s a graph. It has useful information such as a low estimate (18 million), a central estimate and a high estimate (35 million). I said 25 million because it’s right around the central estimate.
What an ignorant statement, as millions of people who, “just felt like a cold” now have long covid symptoms that have lasted years. When you don’t understand something fully, it’s best to just shut up about it… But I guess the anonymity of the internet really lets people just spout off whatever bullshit they think, no matter how stupid it is.
Just because the acute phase treatments are similar doesn’t equate to the same impact later down the line. Studies show long term health loss is much greater with covid
My sister seems to think it's healthy and of course, she knows more than a scientist. Can't reason with a brick wall.
Just start reminding people it can cause miscarriage. The Reich Wingers will outlaw it everywhere they can!
Some people don’t believe in science or evolution. And they gonna FAFO
If they are drinking raw milk, they are already completely fucking stupid. You DO NOT want Listeria, yet these fuckers take the risk all the fucking time... Because they are worried about the deliterious effects of small amounts of heat...
It’s not the only reason for drinking raw milk. I’m not advocating the drinking of raw milk because it does come with serious risks as you mentioned I.e Listeria, and long list of various other diseases. It’s rich in bacteria. Good bacteria, and as we stated potentially some with fatal/life altering sickness. Yet, it is one of natures most powerful probiotics. Not only, it is rich in bioavailable macro and micronutrients. Yes, there are FAR safer ways of getting that same bacteria. People are lazy, let’s educate them instead, and perhaps make that easier and more accessible. Also, not all of these people are “completely fucking stupid”. Imagine growing up on a farm, and for generations your family has consumed raw milk. Then some guy on Reddit calls your families’ generational lifestyle “fucking stupid”. Have some more compassion, and then maybe we could actually have forward discourse. Plus educational opportunities. No one is going to want to listen to you if you call them a fucking idiot.
If you want good gut bacteria, the secret isn’t to inject more bacteria, it’s to eat better food. Dairy isn’t a great idea.
Science says they are ignorant and only lived until age 30. Has science every been wrong about anything? No because MSM would always tell us the truth
I go the other way. I will buy them their next cold full glass regardless if it spreads and has a high cfr. I am all for their freedom to consume, by all means
Nice man 🙏🏻 Always interesting to see our human nature enjoying the death of others. Even promoting it. Of course, until it turns the other way.
how is that any different from buying someone a drink of tequila or a cigarette? let people do what they want and the fates will roll the dice for them.
You mean wishing that every drink had a high Case Fatality Rate?
yes reading comprehension is poor. they know the risk and are currently participating in increased risk taking as a result. I encourage their freedom to consume whatever product they wish to.
So what does CFR stand for?
stupidity is usually demonstrated in the form of belligerent defiance of people far more intelligent than themselves
Brain worms?
Conspiracy gripped and equal parts arrogance and ignorance
Been asking that for the last 9 years.
These are the same people who are into pseudoscience. Just look at those "wellness influencers" on social media insisting on drinking (contaminated) well water because it's *good for you* and they refused to drink filtered water because *they remove essential minerals* while failing to realize that most people get their minerals from foods. But I'm sure they'll change their mind and start drinking filtered water if their favorite MLM companies started getting into the water filter business one day.
Literal morons
I've done the raw food thing, and while I see the merits of it, this is pure insanity.
I saw a comment on a YT video and the dude said “whatever the government says, do the opposite”. That’s just Darwinism. Take all your seatbelts out. Much safer.
Honestly people like yourselves are so disconnected from a community of raw milk drinkers you really don’t have any idea one way or another. I’m not saying they are right or wrong but people are so ignorantly judgmental.
A lot of “raw milk fans” get their raw milk locally and it has nothing to do with a mass distribution network of raw milk which is honestly kind of dumb. Like if there was one way to ensure a fucked product it would be to industrialize it.
My daughter and her two cousins ate ice cream made ACCIDENTALLY from unpasteurised milk at a shop. All of them got sick, with her cousin, who ate the most getting so sick she almost died. E.Coli poisoning. Her cousin was in the beginning stages of HUS when she turned around and did survive. This ‘Raw milk’ thing is insane.
People really act like milk is the only source of certain nutrients. Who cares if some vitamins get cooked away? You should be eating other vitamin sources anyway.
How dare you suggest Americans eat things like fruits and vegetables and mushrooms? /S
Damn those liberals and their “bacteria” and “viruses”! Glad they survived.
Yeah they were all under the age of 2 and it was more than 25 years ago.
Listen. I have drank unpasteurized milk from a frequently tested farm. We can debate whether or not frequent testing and hygienic methods can keep average pathogens at bay any day of the week. No fucking way would I do this with the possibility of active virile material in the milk. That’s insane.
Especially when a farm's cats were wiped out by the flu after they drank the milk.
Poor kitties😭
This is it exactly. We drank raw milk from a farm for years and years; their cleanliness and scrupulous testing was very important to us. That was *delicious* milk, too. The things I made w that stuff, guys... But now? Hell. The fuck. No.
Exactly. I have drunk raw milk off and on for most of my life. I have lived in places where the choice was raw milk or no milk. It’s not about demonizing raw milk. But there is no way in hell that I would be drinking it right now when there is a genuine risk of contracting an extremely deadly virus with a worrisome potential to cause another major, and likely much worse, pandemic.
It's funny my ex was a big raw milk person. She hadn't been able to find it and finally got a source. Seriously, it felt like a drug deal. We met these folks in the back of an autoshop to buy it. She swore about how good it was the health benefits all that jazz. So, about 2 weeks into drinking raw milk every day, she wasn't feeling well one night and had me drive her to the hospital at midnight. Extreme stomach pains, excessive gas, bloating, etc. She claimed it was from pizza that she had at work. That I also ate and was fine. She said the Dr told her it was most likely caused by the raw milk, but no way. Raw milk is super healthy blah blah blah. Long story short, she's still complaining about her gastrointestinal issues on socials and blames everything under the sun. Still drinks raw milk every fuckin day.
I know nothing about your life, but that fact that shes an "ex" wasnt a surprise after all that.
Funny thing she dumped me because my depression was giving her too many negative vibes. My best friend had just killed himself a week prior, so yeah, I was pretty fuckin depressed. I'm glad to call her an ex. She's a terrible person.
She definitely sounds like a terrible person. Sorry about your friend, my good friend did the same. My girlfriend at the time kind of acted the same way as yours because I was upset. A year later my mom passed away and she thought it was a great time to break up and go on vacation somewhere tropical with a dude she had just met online. We don't talk anymore. Too bad, possibly you could have told your ex that every cat that drank H5N1 infected raw milk died a horrendous and horrible death.
Drinking raw (not pasteurized) milk has always been unsafe.
But this is new level. They are willing to accelerate the spread of this virus to humans for no reason except to troll the libs. This obsession is dangerous for them too, but nothing is more important than hate
Death cult.
A lot of them have nothing but the apocalypse to look forward to supposedly. Think about that. They are waiting for the sky to fall any minute. They welcome death. It's sick!
And honestly…are adults actually drinking this much milk without wanting to prove a point?
Makes you wonder how we ever survived before pasteurization. Actually a lot of people probably didn't.
Child mortality rates were very high until about the start of the 20th century. 30-50% of children did not live past the age of 5 before then. Today it’s under 4%
Don't forget back in the 1800s (before the fda), they used to add chalk, white paint, embalming fluid and cow brains to enhance the milks color and flavor. Hundreds of of children died from this practice and this was a huge contributer to the FDA being formed. There's an amazing documentary called "the poison squad", which is about the amazing people who agreed to eat known poisons in quantity to study the effects on the body to prove the deadly chemicals shouldn't be added to human food. Amazing watch *(and heartbreaking to see how dumb/cruel people can be just to save a buck....)*
Borax was another one . Watched YouTube channel Tasting History for that one I think . Bread was horribly contaminated too to save $$ on flour
Cow brains, fucking Y I K E S.
People who didn’t keep livestock just didn’t drink milk, or they didn’t consume it in foods that weren’t cooked.
You answered your own question . A large portion of the population didn’t make it and hygiene, cleanliness, disease , water contamination were all major factors on top of diseases that we now have vaccines for
Arguing with raw milk chuds is like talking to a brick wall. It's wide spread oppositional defiance disorder. They do it BECAUSE people tell them not to. They think you're trying to control them and have conpiracy level arguments as to why it's banned and how it's better than pasteurized, yet they can't provide a single shred of evidence. I'll probably get brigaded and reddit cares for this post, huge overlap with the red pill incel crowd
People starting a new pandemic by drinking raw milk is more upsetting than your username
Biden needs to come out in strong favor of proper hydration and tell us all that we need to drink enough water. Faster for a larger audience.
Nooo he should strongly recommend raw milk, that will turn these guys off to it
Depends on the desired outcome, saving lives or assisting Darwin. Since we're blowing steam on Reddit I went with the latter.
the issue with darwin is if they catch bird flu it could be contagious and these folks are also anti maskers who won't quarantine
I was being silly with that comment. But down that path, as long as they flock together... The bigger problem there is their children and infecting them.
Water? Like from the toilet?
Darwin's Law of Natural Selection
Except they become incubators for the virus to get used to human bodies, making you and I and everyone else more vulnerable in the future to a virus more adapted to humans.
They also become a burden on the local health system. Well, not sure how this really works in the US but these sorts of extreme thinking seem to also percolate all over the world..
What's your solution if you can't convince them of that?
Make selling raw milk actually illegal with serious consequences (at least until bird flu is not a threat)
It is illegal in many places and is illegal to sell retail almost everywhere.
You can buy it from a farmer if it’s “not for human consumption.” But who is going to stop you from consuming it when you get home? They already sold it to you anyway?
An accessible, effective vaccine for the rest of us for when the virus mutates in these idiots and makes the jump to be transmissible person-to-person. Thats the only option. We already know from COVID that other measures won’t work. Thankfully, we already have a stockpile, but the vaccine will likely need to be updated once the virus mutates.
So that doesn't diminish what I wrote. We can't change them.
I’m not trying to diminish anything. You asked for a solution, and I offered one. :)
It's a scary time to be immunocompromised...I have to worry constantly about idiots around me being contagious and many things just aren't safe enough for me to partake. :(
I used to have a recurring nightmare where I was one of six survivors on a wooden lifeboat and there was one idiot who kept doing stuff causing the boat to almost tip over. It was scary. I think of that dream now and then because it seems there's alway stupid idiots putting the rest of us in some kind of jeopardy. Like the anti-vaxxers.
How are you in jeopardy? Are you not protected? Or does your bulletproof vest not stop a bullet unless everyone around you is wearing a bulletproof vest also? In case it's not clear, I'm not talking about your dream, I'm talking about your anti-vaxxer comment. Who are they putting at risk other than people who are willing to accept the risk? Vaccines work, right?
A virus is not like a bullet, although bullets can ricochet. Herd immunity is helpful because it can more completely stop the spread of a viral infection on an entire continent. Polio is almost completely absent from North America. Vaccines are not perfect so if you are in contact with a carrier, you still run the risk, although that risk is not as great as if you were not vaccinated. If someone you care about has an already weakened immune system due to age or other diseases then you are increasing the likelihood of their death by not being vaccinated. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808#:~:text=Herd%20immunity%20occurs%20when%20a,when%20herd%20immunity%20is%20achieved.
This is only true if they die and haven’t reproduced yet.
It's true if they bring the bird flu home with them and kill their kids while they're killing themselves.
Humans get so enamored with their own points of view... Logic gets thrown away in the race to be 'righter' than everyone else. I know that's not a word but illustrating the idiocy.
Because Jesus will take care of me no matter what. /s
He’ll great you at the pearly gates and ask, “what kind of dumbass are you, drinking raw milk? God created science for a reason! Now turn right around and take the stairs down to your real destination.”
From the article: > According to McAfee, his customers believe, without evidence, that directly drinking high levels of the avian influenza virus will give them immunity to the deadly pathogen. They didn't learn a damn thing from the pandemic.
Or school, or other people, or free research papers available online, health guideline publications and history. These people sumply cannot learn a thing...
The sad part is that it's WILLFUL ignorance on their part.
American paradox: So many idiots willing to die, and we still have housing shortage.
Hilariously heartbreaking
Breast milk, after infancy - and from another species. Kinda weird to begin with, imo. But this does seem like a viable origin tale/vector for a plague.
This has been on if the arguments made by Vegans . They’re probably having a chuckle until it jumps the species barrier .
just tell people it cures liberalism.
Raw milk is also a staple of the granola cruncher crowd. As a kid I lived in Marin County, California which goes like 90% Democrat and I remember having friends whose parents would only ever allow them to drink raw milk. It was a big deal at the co-ops too and far more expensive than regular store milk. This was in the days where even Odwalla wasn't pasteurized until a bunch of people died.
It's the 80/20 rule. So which percentage does these people belong to
Post vaccination 80% of hospitalizations were from the 15% of unvaccinated people in my region. Like damn, you're a textbook example now...
I think after everyone had access to the vaccine , Maryland deaths for one entire month were 100% unvaccinated. I’m sure not every month but I remember this cuz the governor was making a point about it in the news . He was a Republican and they still didn’t listen
I have a visceral reflex whenever I see these headlines. Reminds me of people who nurse for like five years. So unsettling
Something, Something, Darwin Awards, Something, Something...
Darwin at work, thinning out the “stupid” end of the gene pool. Avoiding known pathogens is a survival adaptation. Seeking them out … isn’t.
Cleaning up the gene pool
Hello dark ages 2.0: Electric Boogaloo.
We should encourage their bravery and autonomy.
Oh, great. More dumbasses to get us all killed.
Just let natural selection work its magic
these are the types of people you‘d lock out of your zombie apocalypse bunker
Louis Pasteur is rolling in his grave.
Sometimes it’s best to just let Darwinism play out.
Except they become vectors for the virus to incubate in and get used to a human host then passing it on to everyone they come into contact with and so on 🤷♀️ it’s actually frightening.
I agree with this, but only on two conditions: - the smoothbrains who drink it get denied whatever health insurance benefits they might have because they did something that reckless, and - should they transmit any illness borne from raw milk, those to whom they transmitted the illness to can sue for damages.
The CDC states the virus hasn’t been acquired from drinking raw milk. The risk is currently theoretical, in their own words. I don’t drink raw milk because I don’t have a source I trust enough with handling it properly, but it does have benefits over pasteurized milk. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/spotlights/2023-2024/bird-flu-response-update.html
Agreed.
>> According to McAfee, his customers believe, without evidence, that directly drinking high levels of the avian influenza virus will give them immunity to the deadly pathogen. I recently wrote a post on my predictions on how this would go. While I do predict they’ll be purposefully putting it into their eyes, I missed drinking high levels of the virus on purpose! I guess that’s just a given though lol
Well if you are dumb enough to do it then by all means drink up.
Yeah we call this “natural selection”.
Why do people like to drink raw milk? What benefits do people get?
Coo. Knock yourselves out (of the gene pool).
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There is no such thing as safe raw milk. Even a tiny hair from the cow can lead to tragic disabilities like paralysis.
Darwin is going to have a field day with these people
But then it leeches to us, the innocents that properly care for milk before we consume it (if at all).
Pasteurization kills the virus. It’s giving it the opportunity to adapt to humans that’s the issue. Frankly we can’t control the idiots, COVID showed us that. All we can’t do is wear good quality well fitted masks and vaccinate when able
‘The risk of human infection from drinking raw milk containing live A(H5N1) virus specifically is unknown. To date, A(H5N1) viruses have not acquired the ability to bind to virus receptors that are most prevalent in the upper respiratory tract of people.’ https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/spotlights/2023-2024/bird-flu-response-update.html
Let the dummies re-learn the lessons of the past.
So, uh, how soon can I make an appointment to get an H5N1 vaccine for myself and my family? Don’t worry about my work schedule, I’ll take time off if needed.
imagine it actually leads to a full blown pandemic even if it's just a sliver because of this lol
This is what we get when the myth of hybrid immunity or [immunity debt](https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-medical-critical-thinking/claims-immunity-debt-children-owe-us-evidence) (or immunity *theft*) is pushed by health authorities and politicians around the world.
The hand in the picture is dirty.
I had to re-read the title for a second. "RAW" milk lol I was just about to ask, I thought they said the milk was safe to drink just last week? But yeah. *pasteurized* milk is probably safe lol
Wow! 42 herds. (Que sarcasm)
The reality is that the vast majority of humans are lactose intolerant or sensitive and for optimal health probably shouldn’t be drinking or eating the breast milk of other species anyway. For those who aren’t sensitive or intolerant it’s still not really an ideal source of the nutrients it’s been purported to deliver and may even have mild some inflammatory properties. Anyone serious about optimizing their health should be avoiding or minimizing dairy. And raw is just next level insane. But you know…if people are this stupid we can just hope they don’t reproduce.
Meh. The gene pool could use some chlorine
Troll
People drink raw milk in India. But not regularly. Pasteurization is definitely needed though. Not saying it is alright to drink raw milk
Well, bye.
I think humanity has advanced to the point where natural selection is no longer occurring so we have started evolving backwards.
If the next pandemic is started by anti-vaxxer types drinking raw milk, ima lose it
I guess it's, natural selection in action. You can't fix stupid...
These idiots really don’t understand science or micro organisms.
I deliberately switched to UHT pasteurized milk and plan to stay on it for the next few months while more information becomes available. It's more expensive, but if it's only for a few months, then the total cost is only going to be like $40 total.
Natural selection!
Bird flu data https://app.dotadda.io/teams/9f2abbf6-90d0-44c2-966c-2dfe332fc248/dots
Go for it
The more people are exposed to H5N1 the more likely it is to adapt to spread from human to human, so I'd rather they not. People are fucking selfish.
We track all the bird flu data live https://app.dotadda.io/teams/9f2abbf6-90d0-44c2-966c-2dfe332fc248/dots
That's nice and all, but I still don't want that shit evolving to spread from human to human. It would make covid look like seasonal allergies based on current mortality rates.
Six weeks ago nobody thought it would be in cows. If pigs get it go hide
Exactly why I'd rather people not fuck around.
if the milk has fragments of the dead virus shouldn’t the milk cause immunity using there words n logic?
PASTURIZED milk has traces of the dead/inactive virus….ya know because it was killed by the pasteurization process, raw milk has the opposite just squirming around….and that’s the issue.
No baby. That's red state public school science.
Something has to kill the virus first. Like pasturization.
If the cow contracts the virus and recovers, it *might* pass along immunity in its colostrum. Not sure how many raw milk drinkers drink the colostrum. It’s kind of gross.