Ask Sony why it only supports PSN in like 69 countries (1/3 of the world) and why they state that they may ban accounts that use a wrong country.
Yes, you can make a PSN account in the Philippines simply by choosing another country, but you risk getting your account banned.
This by itself isn't bad, but why do they then sell the game in the Philippines?
Edit: this is really my only problem with it. Why sell the game in countries where you can't get a PSN account without breaching Sonys ToS/EULA?
I'm also moving through several countries soon and the official recommendation is to create a new account each time you move into a new country.
Then what will happen to my Helldivers 2 Steam account which I need to link to a PSN account? Will I be able to re-link to a different PSN account?
Probably yes, steam don't really care, maybe you will get a warning from steam saying you are already linked to a PSN account but nothing else. It's more on the PSN side i'm worried because of the Ducked up system build by Sony.
I'm worried that Sony will pull an Ubisoft and tie ownership of the game to the original PSN account, rendering it useless if you change it.
This is Sony after all
I wouldn't count on it. When Ubisoft forces you to login to their shit system for Steam games it registers your game key. That key can never be used with another UPlay or Steam account. These game companies disgust me.
I use Steam because I want to use Steam, not be strongarmed into using shitty 3rd party spyware.
Stuff like this definitely pushes ppl into pc gaming entirely. I’m this close to leaving Sony behind entirely but the PS5 has a few features you can’t really use unless you’ve got an mid-to-high tier rig and those can be easily $2000
Definitely going to be making the investment tho Sony has been acting very shady this generation
its just the same cycle they always go on. They are the underdog, they make a bunch of really good games for their competitively priced machine, they attain massive success. Next generation they sit on their laurels and count their cash making putrid business decisions to keep it growing until Microsoft has a clear advantage, then the cycle begins anew.
This is literally the only legitimate reason to complain cause the fact they sold the game in regions where psn isn't even is available is complete bs and its what should be complained about instead of just "oh no i have to make a free burner psn account!"
>oh no i have to make a free burner psn account!"
Oh no. I have to add an account that will inevitably "Unpredictably got hacked, leaking 1.5 billions users data" in 4 to 6 years
Because Sony couldn't be bothered to get the proper licenses from our Securities and Exchange Commission. These are required for all companies here, foreign or domestic. Pretty much the same as every other country. But Sony thinks that filing licenses in Hong Kong should be enough to cover requirements in most other countries in SEA and our governments should just accept that.
Vietnamese here, PSN doesn't have Vietnam option, so 3/4 of my squad will be locked out of the game we paid for full price if nothing changes lmao.
What a fucking scam
the only way the russian army could throw more lives away than they are currently doing is if fire tornadoes started appearing in ukraine..
go chase them, Ivan! if you catch one, there's a bottle of Vodka in it for you!
Wait... so right now, if you live in a country withinout access to PSN, you can not play a game you paid for that worked fine for the first three months?
You can play until june 4, I think. After that you won't be able to if you don't link a PSN account. What I read is that its very easy to set up an account no matter the country you are in, just input some country that is available and link it.
Also because this is a developing situation, you should not worry and stress on anything yet. The situation seems bad, but it isn't. It is likely that either Sony will backtrack or some workaround will be implemented.
Exactly. Arrowhead can say whatever they want but it's Sony's game. If Sony wants to add Kratos and make it like fortnite then they can, even if they have to find someone else to do it
It would be Hel
Muspelheim is just the realm of fire, Hel (or Helheim) is the realm of the dead, ruled by Hel, Loki’s daughter with Angrboda
Muspelheim does sound like Hellmire tho 🤔
Arrowhead absolutely was and still is an indie dev studio. 100 developers does not a AAA studio make.
That said, as with most "tweener" indie studios, they had to use a AAA *publisher* in Sony to reach a broader audience, for marketing, etc. and because the laws and practices in the gaming industry are ASS-backwards (compare to say.. books), that means they have to give Sony the IP.
I mean you either play and risk getting banned so you can’t play or don’t play at all, if either path has the potential to end the same way, might as well take the one that lets you play anyways
That’s just Sony yapping. They’re not gonna ban people giving them money or playing their games when there’s no problem. I’ve heard of so many people setting their account location to Australia so they can play games a day before they’re released in the US. Plus, they have an appeal system that gives you the opportunity to say you were in that country when you made the account, but you just moved to this country. Since Sony doesn’t let you change locations it’s fair game.
Sony always has the option, though. Plus, they could possibly make more money by banning accounts used strictly for PC gaming. You can earn the premium currency without spending a dime, and don't need to pay for playstation plus to play. I don't think they'd do this just for helldivers, but Sony could ban the accounts, keep the money they spent for games, and bank on a certain percent remaking accounts and rebuying games
Yeah I suppose it’d have been more helpful to state that Sony doesn’t really give a shit. You can play through vpns with little issue, and double so if you just check a different box for your country. Hell a lot of users have separate accounts set for Japan for Asia only releases, Sony doesn’t care.
I’ve had a UK, US, Hong Kong, and Japan accounts since the PS3 days (there used to be a time where certain demos were only released in certain regions) and I still have those accounts active and unbanned. It’s been close to 2 decades and no one has been banned for this.
Its unconfirmed, but looking like it yes. It sucks - even if the steam page said it before purchase the fact that people could play so much and potentially get locked out seems.. wrong
I can imagine this totally bright decision slashing two-thirds of this game's playerbase come May 30. Some might have already uninstalled.
And the game is gradually losing steam already (pun unintended).
I'm waiting to see how they plan to address the issue for countries where PSN isn't available. Because if they argue that PSN linking was supposed to be a requirement from the get-go, then why did they allow the game to be sold in those countries unsupported by PSN? And what happens to players who can no longer play when the new policy is enforced? Would we even be eligible for a refund with 100+ hours of gameplay? Or are we just not allowed to use the product we paid for anymore unless we move to a country that supports PSN?
Sony published HD2 but they don’t own arrowhead. They could still have a lot of control over the game if they wanted to tho.
Edit: that “they” is sony guys Jesus Christ
There is absolutely no way sony would just pull the game. Its the best game this year so far and it the best multiplayer game theyve put out in a while.
Pretty much. People think they can keep their Internet Footprint or Data minimal but once your data is on the internet anyone with a decent knowledge data breaching can and will get your data.
Too many people out there think they have anything worth more then just being targeted ads at. Like none of us here are interesting enough for a *data breach.*
if you ever used Tiktok, Instagram, Snapchat, facebook, many F2P games, most things that require a separate launcher to play, frign google and youtube! your data is out there already.
Hell, if you use Windows theres a good chance your data is being used right now. (especially Windows 11)
For what?
for ads. related content to target more ads. browser cookies to target more pop-up ads.
its mostly that unimpressive, its not exciting shit like people seem to believe.
Know where you info is going, and try not to put out more then you care for. easy.
link you PSN account and never put your card info in a PSN connected window, never save card info for convenience, never run on the web without an adblock.
welcome to the modern internet circa 1994 and the invention of cookies, its only going downhill from here.
Now I want to believe there is one single Playstation employee that has to go through all the hentai folders of the user. Shocked and repulsed what the people are consuming.
I don't think that's the point of contention here. We already have a kernel level anti cheat, the game has some pretty serious performance issues, and "to make the PlayStation players time better" we have to create a PSN account, rather than giving us the option to opt out of cross play and not create an account.
Whilst this is true, compared to other companies, Sony has had numerous data breaches in the past 10 years, the most recent of which was last year.
The problem with giving out your data has never been what the company wants with it, because we know that - marketing and to sell it direct to data agencies. The issue is whether the companies they sell it to, along with themselves, are secure enough.
Time has proven they are not. They're also never held truly accountable so they're still not incentivised to care about better security, either. At best the EU might fine you, which means literally nothing to the assholes who actually sign off on these decisions and receive no internal punishment either way.
Funding for the IT department is always woefully lacking, because you won't notice it until it stops working. It's much like insurance, another system lots of people refuse to buy into because why bother? Who cares about insurance if you think your giant, throbbing ego will protect your shit for you, right?
April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users
May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen
June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts
November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures
August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts
September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack
October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach
i think they should just disable crossplay for people who refuse to link, kinda easy solution. But i guess that also have to be separate war table? not sure
Its less about the crossplay, and more so that Sony financed the shit out of this game.
It even plays the playstation studios logo when you boot up the first time.
Why though?
Crossplay has been working perfectly fine since launch without any PSN account linking.
So why all of a sudden should it become a problem now?
It's a simple money grab to sell user data. Then why should players be okay with that and comply?
I'm confused about what we are supposed to be getting mad at.
They are an independent studio that published a game in partnership with Sony, and Sony is requiring normal things of the game. I genuinely didn't even know you could opt out of the Sony account at the beginning, nor would I have seen any reason to do so. This is a Playstation game that also is available on steam, so this seems pretty standard practice.
The issue is psn is not available in all 190 countries. Only like 70?
So now players on pc getting locked out cause they are not in 1 of those countries
Also complaints cause Sony gets hacked so often on their accounts.
I understand the anger and it's valid. But not at arrowhead. It should be at sony
>I understand the anger and it's valid. But not at arrowhead. It should be at sony
100% agreed. I am specifically questioning the anger at Arrowhead, not at the situation in general.
People are probably mad at them because they expected Arrowhead to be able to protect customers from something like this. Unfortunately, they're ignoring the fact of the power dynamics in play: Arrowhead is not more powerful than Sony in their business agreement and have likely already used what power they had in that relationship in order to prevent other Sony meddling. It's just that the public might only hear about it 30 years later when Noclip does a documentary on HD2.
It's very much a vibe of, "why aren't you protecting us, daddy?"
This whole thing stinks like it was originally a part of their exclusivity deal. "You can sell it on PC as well, but those players need to link or create a PSN account." Why? Sellable data and boosted account statistics for PSN.
Arrowhead claimed 'technical issues' prevented this from being mandatory at launch, probably because they predicted this kind of response, but it seems Sony now has a hard deadline and they have to somehow get their community to swallow this pill.
The devs at Arrowhead seem like very straightforward and customer focused people, being forced to do something they really don't want to do because otherwise, their game would've never even been funded in the first place.
Make a PSN account, but use bogus information. Birthday? April 20th 1969. Say you live in the Cayman islands and give them a dummy email account. Maliciously comply by giving Sony useless fucking data.
I am hoping Sony reverse there decision by the start of next week, because the game is amazing and Sony shouldn't be making stupid decisions in forcing Steam players to make an PSN account to continue the fight.
Dude Sony funded the game, they have a contract with them where this stuff has been agreed to. If they hadn't done that we would have gotten another top-down indie game
Technically true.
Arrowhead isn't owned by Sony.
Helldivers 2, the IP however, is owned by Sony.
Which is arguably worse. It's like building a car and maintaining it, while your mentally defective neighbour drives it into a ditch.
I dont get it either and I'm not trying to be a dick. I downloaded Discord and made an account for that just to play with my friends on PC easier. I have no desire to use nor have had that account beforehand. It didn't hurt.
A coworker of mine lost his Epic account cause he tied it to a PSN. He was able to recover his account. He can't tie his Epic account to Steam or other services now. The hacker sold it to someone that tied it to their accounts. PSN gets hacked often and lose people's personal data. Sony doesn't ever care.
The weirdest thing to me is if this was a requirement from the beginning that's just now being implemented, why was the game available for purchase in countries that don't support PSN in the first place?
Being in this sub is basically a free pass to say some of the most dramatic, detached shit and get highly upvoted for it as long as you use your unhinged rant to say "Arrowhead bad". Even if arrowhead did nothing at all.
>Being in this sub is basically a free pass to say some of the most dramatic, detached shit and get highly upvoted for it
You ever visit the Silksong sub?
I say this all too often, but holy shit, gamers are the largest cry babies, they never grew out of the age they first played a game, entitlement up the wahoo. Bunch of manlets with impotent rage.
I'm genuinely not sure what gave away the sentiment in the title. Aside from the fact that all the actual bugs and issues should've put this game in early access for like 30€ tops, there is not a single sane game dev studio the size of AH that would've put out a new battlepass every month. As someone who also works in software development, I can tell you that this is an insane amount of work for the team to put out. Even major studios like Respawn that also make live service games have at least 3-4 months in between, and all of that is planned ahead by a year at least.
Let's not kid ourselves here. AH devs are amazing for being able to make such content. This game would've been even greater if Sony could just fuck off and buy some more yachts for their executives with all that money if it means that they leave the devs to their work.
I have a PSN account.
I will not be playing Helldivers 2 until this condition is lifted. People bought this game, and access to something they bought is being taken from them with no compensation.
I won't support that kind of behavior.
Because they've been playing HD2 without the need for a PSN account for months (despite the Steam store page saying that PSN is required). The game on launch lets you skip the PSN link completely. This has given people the impression that the PSN is not required (especially since the game clearly doesn't need it).
Many are now upset that this is about to be enforced and they are required to give information to a company that is notoriously shit at protecting customer and even their own employee data.
There's also the fact that a lot of people are able to play the game right now, but since they're not able to get a PSN account because PSN is blocked in their country (or banned by Sony) they will lose access to a game they paid money for.
Because now I can't play the game after the account linking deadline since PSN is not available where I live. I paid $40 for a live-service game I can't play. I was under the impression it's fully available in my country since they allowed me to play during the grace period.
The bigger question is why they even chose to sell in countries with no PSN. Smells like destructive greed to me. By definition, it's a scam.
Oh, I'm so sorry for you. I had no idea PSN isn't available everywhere. Meaning there will be tons of players who paid are unable to continue playing.
Yup that's a very bad thing for the whole community.
Thanks for answering my question.
If you see all other problems as irrelevant, here's the purely objective one: HD2 is officially sold on Steam in countries that don't have PSN support. So now, at best case scenario, people need to create an account using VPN and be at risk of being permabanned, despite the game, even crossplay, functioning perfectly fine without PSN account for months.
Hmmm that sounds like quite the problem. I had no idea psn isn't available in some countries. But if it's not available in those countries why do they sell ps5s in them? Seems silly.
People in here complaining about Sony stealing their data when the anticheat is already capable of doing the same thing and yet you still bought and played the game - 🤡
Give a PC exclusive cape, 500 orange samples, and 500 super credits for linking to PlayStation and all this goes away overnight. It’s a decision that benefits corporate and not the player, so reward the player.
Yeah, it sucks that since i created my PSN acc 10 years ago Sony is just everywhere. They know where i work, what i eat, hell there is even a japanese guy watching me sleep every night…
Calm down guys, seriously
The first thing I thought of was players in regions not supported by PSN. Your independence means absolutely nothing when the experience your company is selling creates a dependence on restricted services. Not a good look.
Honestly, I think this is nonsense. This is a requirement which is not needed, in every way.
Everyone said that this game should have been the game that would have ended the console wars: I think it will not (unfortunately, also because I am on Xbox) and this is Sony telling us that the "show must go on".
Helldivers and Aspiring Helldivers, in the name of Democracy and Liberty, we must rebel and make the game accessible to everyone: FOR SUPER EARTH!
It's clearly a solution to fix the friend system It's so broken. And if it ends up enabling Cross save it would be even better. People are so ignorant and just see one thing and lash out.
Blatantly invalid quote taken out of context by someone (based on their replies in the thread) who has no idea what owning the IP means nor contractual obligations. Don't get me wrong, the PSN account thing is insane and extremely out of touch, but this entire post is just to stir up hate by someone that has NO idea what they're talking about. (See [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cj52f1/comment/l2etizg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) for how it actually works, and [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cj52f1/comment/l2dr4ml/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) as the elaboration for why I'm pretty sure OP is talking out their ass)
Except if you are in a region PSN is not available in. Then Sony does not want your poor ass third worlder data.
I see that some of the other SEA countries can do it, why not the Philippines?
Ask Sony why it only supports PSN in like 69 countries (1/3 of the world) and why they state that they may ban accounts that use a wrong country. Yes, you can make a PSN account in the Philippines simply by choosing another country, but you risk getting your account banned. This by itself isn't bad, but why do they then sell the game in the Philippines? Edit: this is really my only problem with it. Why sell the game in countries where you can't get a PSN account without breaching Sonys ToS/EULA?
I'm also moving through several countries soon and the official recommendation is to create a new account each time you move into a new country. Then what will happen to my Helldivers 2 Steam account which I need to link to a PSN account? Will I be able to re-link to a different PSN account?
Probably yes, steam don't really care, maybe you will get a warning from steam saying you are already linked to a PSN account but nothing else. It's more on the PSN side i'm worried because of the Ducked up system build by Sony.
I'm worried that Sony will pull an Ubisoft and tie ownership of the game to the original PSN account, rendering it useless if you change it. This is Sony after all
So you mean that I'm going to loose acces to the ANNO 2070 expansion packs that I paid for all over again?
Easiest chargeback of my life if that happens. And a chargeback is worse than a refund.
I wouldn't count on it. When Ubisoft forces you to login to their shit system for Steam games it registers your game key. That key can never be used with another UPlay or Steam account. These game companies disgust me. I use Steam because I want to use Steam, not be strongarmed into using shitty 3rd party spyware.
Stuff like this definitely pushes ppl into pc gaming entirely. I’m this close to leaving Sony behind entirely but the PS5 has a few features you can’t really use unless you’ve got an mid-to-high tier rig and those can be easily $2000 Definitely going to be making the investment tho Sony has been acting very shady this generation
its just the same cycle they always go on. They are the underdog, they make a bunch of really good games for their competitively priced machine, they attain massive success. Next generation they sit on their laurels and count their cash making putrid business decisions to keep it growing until Microsoft has a clear advantage, then the cycle begins anew.
They settled in sixty-nine countries because there aren’t four-hundred and twenty independent nations. Makes sense when you think about it.
Nice
Sir you need this up vote more than I do.
This is literally the only legitimate reason to complain cause the fact they sold the game in regions where psn isn't even is available is complete bs and its what should be complained about instead of just "oh no i have to make a free burner psn account!"
>oh no i have to make a free burner psn account!" Oh no. I have to add an account that will inevitably "Unpredictably got hacked, leaking 1.5 billions users data" in 4 to 6 years
If this isn't changed Sony might get screwed by the ESU then since in the end this boils down to it being Sony's fault
And if you ever get banned say goodbye to your digital games....one thing i hate with this digital age......
Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia doesn't in its support list too.
Because Sony couldn't be bothered to get the proper licenses from our Securities and Exchange Commission. These are required for all companies here, foreign or domestic. Pretty much the same as every other country. But Sony thinks that filing licenses in Hong Kong should be enough to cover requirements in most other countries in SEA and our governments should just accept that.
Vietnamese here, PSN doesn't have Vietnam option, so 3/4 of my squad will be locked out of the game we paid for full price if nothing changes lmao. What a fucking scam
Some douchebag will tell you to get a vpn. And the day it doesn’t work or you forget to run it and run Helldivers, say bye bye.
Meanwhile only South Africa has it in Africa.
Nelson Mandela would be livid
I'm in Vietnam and can't do it, I had to use VPN
Playstation refused to open their service in my country because "it is possible that Russians will use it". I live in Kazakhstan.
Spetznaz training on hellmire is a security risk!
Rest of world - an expected 2 minute life expectancy in helldivers combat is so unrealistic Russia - hold my stalingrad this game is a milsim
Now that is funny! Thanks!
the only way the russian army could throw more lives away than they are currently doing is if fire tornadoes started appearing in ukraine.. go chase them, Ivan! if you catch one, there's a bottle of Vodka in it for you!
Yet they operate in Hungary where walking in downtown Budapest, i hear russians more often then hungarians.
Sorry you have to learn it this way, tovarishch, but you are part of Russia, now.
Yeah! frick you entire Continent of Africa except for South Africa and Egypt
there are EU country members not on the list and its odd thats tolerated
Don't know why but the EU was always very easy on Sony, while never afraid to go after Valve, MS or almost anyone else in the gaming industry.
Wait... so right now, if you live in a country withinout access to PSN, you can not play a game you paid for that worked fine for the first three months?
You can play until june 4, I think. After that you won't be able to if you don't link a PSN account. What I read is that its very easy to set up an account no matter the country you are in, just input some country that is available and link it. Also because this is a developing situation, you should not worry and stress on anything yet. The situation seems bad, but it isn't. It is likely that either Sony will backtrack or some workaround will be implemented.
I used to live in a country set up a psn account and moved to another. Got banned
Oh, it's even worse. There are countries that can have PSN accounts, but not the option to connect with Steam. One such country is Poland.
Pretty sure I connected my PSN no problem when I first started playing Helldivers, following in-game instructions, and I'm in Poland. Wut?
False info, been playing with my steam friends since they fixed accept friend bug.
*From where you're kneeling it must seem like an 18-carat run of bad luck. Truth is... the game was rigged from the start.*
I hope this doesnt cause any fallout between us.
Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel
Fuck ☠️☠️☠️
Fallout... New Vegas
The studio isn’t owned by Sony. The game/IP absolutely is lol
Exactly. Arrowhead can say whatever they want but it's Sony's game. If Sony wants to add Kratos and make it like fortnite then they can, even if they have to find someone else to do it
Kratos ain't diving into no Hell, he always makes it out lmao
He's literally dove into hell at least twice that I can think of
Three times if you count Muspelheim
It would be Hel Muspelheim is just the realm of fire, Hel (or Helheim) is the realm of the dead, ruled by Hel, Loki’s daughter with Angrboda Muspelheim does sound like Hellmire tho 🤔
Since before the first game even released!
"NOW JOIN.... THE PLANETJUMPERS" Tatataaaaaaa
Utterly baffling how many morons thought this game was "indie" and are now aghast that the corporate-backed AAA game is playing by corporate rules.
Arrowhead absolutely was and still is an indie dev studio. 100 developers does not a AAA studio make. That said, as with most "tweener" indie studios, they had to use a AAA *publisher* in Sony to reach a broader audience, for marketing, etc. and because the laws and practices in the gaming industry are ASS-backwards (compare to say.. books), that means they have to give Sony the IP.
I'm glad that my country is suported but I also feel bad for others that won't be able to play because of this. They really got to adress this problem
What!????? I’m in the region that not in the list of countries in play station. Are you saying I won’t be able to play anymore?
Just make an account selected in a region that is supported
From my understanding on another post it was mentioned that Sony can just ban you for using false info. Take it with a grain of salt.
I mean you either play and risk getting banned so you can’t play or don’t play at all, if either path has the potential to end the same way, might as well take the one that lets you play anyways
Or request a refund on Steam stating you literally cannot make a PSN account due to your country not being supported by Sony.
That’s just Sony yapping. They’re not gonna ban people giving them money or playing their games when there’s no problem. I’ve heard of so many people setting their account location to Australia so they can play games a day before they’re released in the US. Plus, they have an appeal system that gives you the opportunity to say you were in that country when you made the account, but you just moved to this country. Since Sony doesn’t let you change locations it’s fair game.
Sony always has the option, though. Plus, they could possibly make more money by banning accounts used strictly for PC gaming. You can earn the premium currency without spending a dime, and don't need to pay for playstation plus to play. I don't think they'd do this just for helldivers, but Sony could ban the accounts, keep the money they spent for games, and bank on a certain percent remaking accounts and rebuying games
Yeah I suppose it’d have been more helpful to state that Sony doesn’t really give a shit. You can play through vpns with little issue, and double so if you just check a different box for your country. Hell a lot of users have separate accounts set for Japan for Asia only releases, Sony doesn’t care.
They won’t….
I’ve had a UK, US, Hong Kong, and Japan accounts since the PS3 days (there used to be a time where certain demos were only released in certain regions) and I still have those accounts active and unbanned. It’s been close to 2 decades and no one has been banned for this.
Same. I used to buy games from USA store because it used to have much better deals during PS3/early PS4 era.
Its unconfirmed, but looking like it yes. It sucks - even if the steam page said it before purchase the fact that people could play so much and potentially get locked out seems.. wrong
I can imagine this totally bright decision slashing two-thirds of this game's playerbase come May 30. Some might have already uninstalled. And the game is gradually losing steam already (pun unintended).
I'm waiting to see how they plan to address the issue for countries where PSN isn't available. Because if they argue that PSN linking was supposed to be a requirement from the get-go, then why did they allow the game to be sold in those countries unsupported by PSN? And what happens to players who can no longer play when the new policy is enforced? Would we even be eligible for a refund with 100+ hours of gameplay? Or are we just not allowed to use the product we paid for anymore unless we move to a country that supports PSN?
We pay for liscens now, not actual games remember? It's why piracy isn't theft
They will probably lift that requirement for those countries.
Sony is the new enemy fraction
Those damned fractions! I prefer decimals
This whole conversation has become irrational.
I'm sure every post has a common denominator.
But then what remains?
That explains why the game is having many *problems*.
This solution seems a little bit radical
Stop being so divisive!!!
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I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ALIENS. NOT OUR OWN MEN.
Always has been.
I could swear I see the Sony name on startup
Sony published HD2 but they don’t own arrowhead. They could still have a lot of control over the game if they wanted to tho. Edit: that “they” is sony guys Jesus Christ
Sony owns the copyright/trademark to helldivers.
Sony owns the IP.
Sony can literally just pull the game
There is absolutely no way sony would just pull the game. Its the best game this year so far and it the best multiplayer game theyve put out in a while.
Hear me out. Helldivers 3
they can not be owned by sony and still be under contractual obligations
Gamers try to understand a completely normal and expected function of a business challenge level impossible
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Samples collected!
Nothing that we don't give away to anything else when we sign up for an account somewhere
Pretty much. People think they can keep their Internet Footprint or Data minimal but once your data is on the internet anyone with a decent knowledge data breaching can and will get your data.
Too many people out there think they have anything worth more then just being targeted ads at. Like none of us here are interesting enough for a *data breach.* if you ever used Tiktok, Instagram, Snapchat, facebook, many F2P games, most things that require a separate launcher to play, frign google and youtube! your data is out there already. Hell, if you use Windows theres a good chance your data is being used right now. (especially Windows 11) For what? for ads. related content to target more ads. browser cookies to target more pop-up ads. its mostly that unimpressive, its not exciting shit like people seem to believe. Know where you info is going, and try not to put out more then you care for. easy. link you PSN account and never put your card info in a PSN connected window, never save card info for convenience, never run on the web without an adblock. welcome to the modern internet circa 1994 and the invention of cookies, its only going downhill from here.
Sony is after my folder of good game ideas and hentai!
Now I want to believe there is one single Playstation employee that has to go through all the hentai folders of the user. Shocked and repulsed what the people are consuming.
Not if i get to it first
I don't think that's the point of contention here. We already have a kernel level anti cheat, the game has some pretty serious performance issues, and "to make the PlayStation players time better" we have to create a PSN account, rather than giving us the option to opt out of cross play and not create an account.
Whilst this is true, compared to other companies, Sony has had numerous data breaches in the past 10 years, the most recent of which was last year. The problem with giving out your data has never been what the company wants with it, because we know that - marketing and to sell it direct to data agencies. The issue is whether the companies they sell it to, along with themselves, are secure enough. Time has proven they are not. They're also never held truly accountable so they're still not incentivised to care about better security, either. At best the EU might fine you, which means literally nothing to the assholes who actually sign off on these decisions and receive no internal punishment either way. Funding for the IT department is always woefully lacking, because you won't notice it until it stops working. It's much like insurance, another system lots of people refuse to buy into because why bother? Who cares about insurance if you think your giant, throbbing ego will protect your shit for you, right?
Nothing beyond what you write in any account.
April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach
I personally can't wait until my data gets stolen via a game I play on Steam. What a great day!
Yeah and thats the crazy part, steam players are now becoming liable to having their data stolen on a platform they dont even use
i think they should just disable crossplay for people who refuse to link, kinda easy solution. But i guess that also have to be separate war table? not sure
Its less about the crossplay, and more so that Sony financed the shit out of this game. It even plays the playstation studios logo when you boot up the first time.
Why though? Crossplay has been working perfectly fine since launch without any PSN account linking. So why all of a sudden should it become a problem now? It's a simple money grab to sell user data. Then why should players be okay with that and comply?
Lol cross play has been working perfectly fine? Numerous huge bugs with cross play still unfixed
and that would be fixed with a link huh...
The only only way my game works on Playstation is if crossplay is off
This is referencing this tweet [https://twitter.com/Pilestedt/status/1764774455346098259](https://twitter.com/Pilestedt/status/1764774455346098259)
I'm confused about what we are supposed to be getting mad at. They are an independent studio that published a game in partnership with Sony, and Sony is requiring normal things of the game. I genuinely didn't even know you could opt out of the Sony account at the beginning, nor would I have seen any reason to do so. This is a Playstation game that also is available on steam, so this seems pretty standard practice.
The issue is psn is not available in all 190 countries. Only like 70? So now players on pc getting locked out cause they are not in 1 of those countries Also complaints cause Sony gets hacked so often on their accounts. I understand the anger and it's valid. But not at arrowhead. It should be at sony
>I understand the anger and it's valid. But not at arrowhead. It should be at sony 100% agreed. I am specifically questioning the anger at Arrowhead, not at the situation in general.
People are probably mad at them because they expected Arrowhead to be able to protect customers from something like this. Unfortunately, they're ignoring the fact of the power dynamics in play: Arrowhead is not more powerful than Sony in their business agreement and have likely already used what power they had in that relationship in order to prevent other Sony meddling. It's just that the public might only hear about it 30 years later when Noclip does a documentary on HD2. It's very much a vibe of, "why aren't you protecting us, daddy?"
 Panda does not like Sony.
Now make ps players have Steam acoount for fairness
It's funny because it's true!
This whole thing stinks like it was originally a part of their exclusivity deal. "You can sell it on PC as well, but those players need to link or create a PSN account." Why? Sellable data and boosted account statistics for PSN. Arrowhead claimed 'technical issues' prevented this from being mandatory at launch, probably because they predicted this kind of response, but it seems Sony now has a hard deadline and they have to somehow get their community to swallow this pill. The devs at Arrowhead seem like very straightforward and customer focused people, being forced to do something they really don't want to do because otherwise, their game would've never even been funded in the first place. Make a PSN account, but use bogus information. Birthday? April 20th 1969. Say you live in the Cayman islands and give them a dummy email account. Maliciously comply by giving Sony useless fucking data.
I am hoping Sony reverse there decision by the start of next week, because the game is amazing and Sony shouldn't be making stupid decisions in forcing Steam players to make an PSN account to continue the fight.
Sad day for Liber Tea. RIP Democracy.
Dude Sony funded the game, they have a contract with them where this stuff has been agreed to. If they hadn't done that we would have gotten another top-down indie game
In partnership with Sony...
I thought we already had to make an account when we started playing?
Technically true. Arrowhead isn't owned by Sony. Helldivers 2, the IP however, is owned by Sony. Which is arguably worse. It's like building a car and maintaining it, while your mentally defective neighbour drives it into a ditch.
Oh noooo, whoever will they sell a burner email and username too... such big data to hand over to evil sony
I dont get it either and I'm not trying to be a dick. I downloaded Discord and made an account for that just to play with my friends on PC easier. I have no desire to use nor have had that account beforehand. It didn't hurt.
A coworker of mine lost his Epic account cause he tied it to a PSN. He was able to recover his account. He can't tie his Epic account to Steam or other services now. The hacker sold it to someone that tied it to their accounts. PSN gets hacked often and lose people's personal data. Sony doesn't ever care.
The weirdest thing to me is if this was a requirement from the beginning that's just now being implemented, why was the game available for purchase in countries that don't support PSN in the first place?
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Isnt arrowhead owned by sony? I thought they were one of their studios?
No they are not owned by Sony
It was fun while it lasted lads. Fuck Sony
Lmaoooo redditors are so dramatic sometimes
Sometimes?
I agree but OP is being especially dense.
Being in this sub is basically a free pass to say some of the most dramatic, detached shit and get highly upvoted for it as long as you use your unhinged rant to say "Arrowhead bad". Even if arrowhead did nothing at all.
>Being in this sub is basically a free pass to say some of the most dramatic, detached shit and get highly upvoted for it You ever visit the Silksong sub?
I say this all too often, but holy shit, gamers are the largest cry babies, they never grew out of the age they first played a game, entitlement up the wahoo. Bunch of manlets with impotent rage.
And they dont need a man
'oopsi doopsi, another data leak, call your banks" sony, probably
F SONY
(Smithers voice) Alright keep smiling, everyone happy.
Why is Sony doing this? Most of those people who bought and played on PC may not even own a Playstation Network Account
I'm genuinely not sure what gave away the sentiment in the title. Aside from the fact that all the actual bugs and issues should've put this game in early access for like 30€ tops, there is not a single sane game dev studio the size of AH that would've put out a new battlepass every month. As someone who also works in software development, I can tell you that this is an insane amount of work for the team to put out. Even major studios like Respawn that also make live service games have at least 3-4 months in between, and all of that is planned ahead by a year at least. Let's not kid ourselves here. AH devs are amazing for being able to make such content. This game would've been even greater if Sony could just fuck off and buy some more yachts for their executives with all that money if it means that they leave the devs to their work.
I have a PSN account. I will not be playing Helldivers 2 until this condition is lifted. People bought this game, and access to something they bought is being taken from them with no compensation. I won't support that kind of behavior.
They are indipendent, but the game is owned by Sony, develop by arrowhead, they said that from the launch when they have the server issue
I fucking hate Sony for doing my boy like that
Sorry for the probably silly question. Why are people angry about this? I'm genuinely unsure.
Because they've been playing HD2 without the need for a PSN account for months (despite the Steam store page saying that PSN is required). The game on launch lets you skip the PSN link completely. This has given people the impression that the PSN is not required (especially since the game clearly doesn't need it). Many are now upset that this is about to be enforced and they are required to give information to a company that is notoriously shit at protecting customer and even their own employee data. There's also the fact that a lot of people are able to play the game right now, but since they're not able to get a PSN account because PSN is blocked in their country (or banned by Sony) they will lose access to a game they paid money for.
And that there is irrefutable evidence (Wayback machine copy of page) it was listed/advertised without needing a PS account.
Double check the date on the source of that irrefutable evidence.
Especially since all of the archived links on the Wayback Machine error out due to the age gate.
Because now I can't play the game after the account linking deadline since PSN is not available where I live. I paid $40 for a live-service game I can't play. I was under the impression it's fully available in my country since they allowed me to play during the grace period. The bigger question is why they even chose to sell in countries with no PSN. Smells like destructive greed to me. By definition, it's a scam.
Oh, I'm so sorry for you. I had no idea PSN isn't available everywhere. Meaning there will be tons of players who paid are unable to continue playing. Yup that's a very bad thing for the whole community. Thanks for answering my question.
If you see all other problems as irrelevant, here's the purely objective one: HD2 is officially sold on Steam in countries that don't have PSN support. So now, at best case scenario, people need to create an account using VPN and be at risk of being permabanned, despite the game, even crossplay, functioning perfectly fine without PSN account for months.
Hmmm that sounds like quite the problem. I had no idea psn isn't available in some countries. But if it's not available in those countries why do they sell ps5s in them? Seems silly.
they don't, they sell the game on steam in those countries
"give all your information to Sony" It's your email brother how many sites you've used once to buy garbage has your email?
Tbh that new strategem that makes me key in my SSN really fast was a red flag
You people need to learn what a Publisher is and how it is separate from a Developer.
People in here complaining about Sony stealing their data when the anticheat is already capable of doing the same thing and yet you still bought and played the game - 🤡
There should be an open refund for this game bc of this. Sounds like a good case for a lawyer. Any lawyers here?
As if you guys don't give away your information multiple times a day. What a drama.
It's still shit, especially when Sony is so bad at cybersecurity, the fuckers stored passwords in plain text LMAO.
Can yall just fucking leave the sub and uninstall already? Tired of the bitching.
Is Sony in the room with us right now?
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-while browsing social media sites which required the same info
This was listed as a requirement since day one.
Give a PC exclusive cape, 500 orange samples, and 500 super credits for linking to PlayStation and all this goes away overnight. It’s a decision that benefits corporate and not the player, so reward the player.
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Yeah, it sucks that since i created my PSN acc 10 years ago Sony is just everywhere. They know where i work, what i eat, hell there is even a japanese guy watching me sleep every night… Calm down guys, seriously
Its fine. I cannot connect TO ANYONE AND NO FIXES WORK FOR ME. I dont have to give away anything hehe. Solo is the forced way for me.
Haven’t you heard? Being seen as a small developer who resists “The Man” is a huge selling point these days. This is capitalism.
When your contract forces you to obay Sony
This made me literally laugh alone in my office.... nice
That’s why I like my games to have a choice to be offline
Lol. Lmao even
Fax my fellow diver! Spit your shit indeed
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The first thing I thought of was players in regions not supported by PSN. Your independence means absolutely nothing when the experience your company is selling creates a dependence on restricted services. Not a good look.
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Forth faction, sony head office!
They aren’t owned by Sony. But Sony owns the game they made.
It's ok though because Sony *never* gets hacked and doesn't have a history of fumbling their handling of data breaches.
Honestly, I think this is nonsense. This is a requirement which is not needed, in every way. Everyone said that this game should have been the game that would have ended the console wars: I think it will not (unfortunately, also because I am on Xbox) and this is Sony telling us that the "show must go on". Helldivers and Aspiring Helldivers, in the name of Democracy and Liberty, we must rebel and make the game accessible to everyone: FOR SUPER EARTH!
Lul
All corps play the blame game while they steal from the people...
It's clearly a solution to fix the friend system It's so broken. And if it ends up enabling Cross save it would be even better. People are so ignorant and just see one thing and lash out.
Blatantly invalid quote taken out of context by someone (based on their replies in the thread) who has no idea what owning the IP means nor contractual obligations. Don't get me wrong, the PSN account thing is insane and extremely out of touch, but this entire post is just to stir up hate by someone that has NO idea what they're talking about. (See [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cj52f1/comment/l2etizg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) for how it actually works, and [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cj52f1/comment/l2dr4ml/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) as the elaboration for why I'm pretty sure OP is talking out their ass)
We losing Asia divers cuz of Sony trying to be Facebook with the Zucc censorship.
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Idk...after all this I haven't gotten back to the game.
I mean if they're not owned by Sony they are just dumb which is arguably worse
Seriously! what a fucken joke