[*And yet you call it “democratic centralism” despite the fact that it is obviously bourgeois dictatorship*](https://youtu.be/vTKwL7eW-1Q?si=E-l-Jq54sYHNJ9yU)
Because the soviets have been threatening them, so they decided to attack while they were in a civil war instead of waiting for the russians to end their civil war
It's an old in-joke. In a VERY old Polandball comic, apparently one of the first, Poland was upside down. Whether intentionally or not (it may have been an accident), it stuck around.
Red Army: Citizens of Poland, we have come to save you-!
Poles: Hooray! It's the Soviet Union!
Red Army: -FROM SELF-RULE!
Poles: ...Oh fuck, it's the Soviet Union.
I wouldn't trust a literal fascist dictator that worships the tsar and considers Lenin a terrorist for ""creating" Ukraine(which is a load of shit as the SSRs were created around already existing areas/cultures/states). Also by your logic Ireland is British and Belgium Spanish
It's hilarious how you talk about "de-nazifying" Ukraine in one comment, and in another, you say you wish they'd put all the Poles in concentration camps.
Every accusation is a confession with you fascists. I struggle to understand how someone could be as outwardly evil as you.
>USSR could have done the same but it didn't but somehow it still is just as bas as the Nazis because your propaganda says so
I don't think the USSR was as bad as the Nazis. They were still pretty terrible, but not on the same level.
>I meant that if the USSR did that then it would be equal to Nazi Germany but that never happened and the USSR preserved the Polish state with Polish people therefore liberated it.
I depends what you mean by "liberate." They put a puppet regime in charge, and so Poland would not be free for another 50 years when the empire collapsed. You're also forgetting that the USSR invaded Poland in 1939, in partnership with Nazi Germany. During said time, they perpetrated brutal massacres like at Katyn. Sure, they didn't commit to the complete genocide of the Polish people like the Nazis were attempting. But they weren't nice to Poland or Poles in any regard.
>You are just not capable of thinking with your head and that is ehy you are the real fascists who supports fascist inside of Ukraine who build status of fascist, employ fascists and do fascist actions against Russian people.
You live under a far-right dictator. A man who has the gall to blame Poland for the joint Nazi-Soviet invasion. An autocrat that almost word for word used the same justification as the Nazis did when they invaded the Sudetanland and Poland. Your country wasn't attacked, but chose to go after its neighbour, which happens to be led by a Jewish man.
After all that, do you really think you have the right to call Ukraine fascist? Maybe you should do with your own fascist government and fascist people first.
I wonder what new BS you'll pull out of your arse in order to justify your ragged imperialism. I can hardly wait.
>Poland was a hostile state to everyone around it, already proved it by the Polish-Soviet war in 1919-1921, grabbing of Czechoslovak land in 1938 or ultimatum to Lithuania in 1938 as well
And you think this justifies the Soviet invasion of not just Poland but the Baltic states, Romania and Finland? If we're talking about hostility, the USSR is far above Poland.
>No, I don't live under a far-right dictatorship and neither do Russian people. Putin never was far-righ, he always was a centrist
Only in comparison to the other wackjobs in your government. He's absolutely not a centrist by other metrics.
>Ukrainian aggression against the Donbass people, , NATO expansion, rewriting of history and destruction of Soviet and Russian monuments inside of Ukraine and the coup in 2014 in Kiev bringing to power that fascist and russophobic regime which started to wage war against the Donbass people after they rose up and had the counter-Maidan.
Ukraine was fighting a civil war in Donbass against Russian backed separatists. Is it aggression to fight back against rebels?
In 8 years of fighting, some 3400 civilians died (many killed by the separatists and Russians). By comparison, you've already slaughtered tens of thousands of civilians, and it's only been two years.
> Ukrainian Banderite fascism,
Overstated and overplayed by Russia. The vast majority of Ukrainians are not fascist. In fact, the Ukrainian far-right only managed to secure 1.65% of the vote in the last election.
>NATO expansion
Russia doesn't get to decide who its neighbours are friends with. I'd say that Russian imperialism is in a justification for NATO expansion.
>coup in 2014 in Kiev bringing to power that fascist and russophobic
It wasn't a coup. Yanukovych went back on his word, started killing protestors, and was subsequently removed by the unanimous vote of the Ukrainian Parliament. The current government is not fascist, unlike your own. As for "russophobia," I'm afraid that's just what happens when Russia invades your country and murders your people. Or did you expect Ukraine to still like you?
>Yes because Ukraine is the one who has been waging war against their own people since 2014, after an illegitament overthrow of government
It wasn't illegitimate, you pleb.
>is Ukraine which is employing Neo-Nazi regiments and battalions since 2014 like Asov
Azov are/were a bunch of fascists, but they only made up a tiny part of Ukraine's forces. Russia uses neo-Nazis PMCs like Rusich Group - yet you don't seem to care. You're shamelessly hypocritical.
>The only imperialism which is justified here is NATO's imperialism. The imperialism of expanding NATO with coups and at the cost of the whole Ukrainian population being used to fight Russia.
Your persecution complex is beyond pathetic. Russia expands through force and invasion. NATO expansion is voluntary. Of the two, you're the imperialist.
You accuse others of doing the things you yourself have done. You victim blame, and whine and throw tantrums whenever your hypocrisy is pointed out. It's pitiful - but you have only yourself to blame.
Maybe when you've lost another 100k men in your fascist war, you'll start to understand that you're on the wrong side.
Why did the Tsar have to ban the Ukrainian language for 100s of years, then?
Why does the Russian census of 1896 distinguish between Russians and Ukrainians? Was the Tsar a Western amerkansky spy?
If Russians and Ukrainians are the same nation, why did Russia starve to 3-5 millions Ukrainians to death in Holodomor? The answer is simple, they tried to get rid of this nation, like their German allies, before their betrayal in 1941.
According to estimates, they could have starved up to 10 million people to death, not counting the Ukrainians themselves. However, the number of Stalin's victims is estimated at up to 60 million. These include not only Ukrainians, but also Balts, Poles, Uzbeks, Koreans and many other nationalities. Contrary to what your propagandists say, Poland never had an alliance with Germany and had one of the largest resistance movements in Europe, which was dismantled by the Soviet Union when it began occupying the area. And Russia signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
The Soviets didn't try to starve Ukraine directly so they could "genocide" them, everyone suffered in the Soviet Union millions died in Russia or Kazakhstan.
The Ukrainians only weaponised it perfectly and now everyone uses it.
I don't want to deny it, maybe there was something in this direction but deliberately ignoring other deaths that happened during the same time for the same reason is idiotic.
The same way of claiming how Soviets did only Human Wave attacks, because the Nazis wanted to show how the soviets are about to capitulate and dehumanise them and now russians do the same because you see an entire squad running towards the building or forest to attack a stronghold or hide from enemy fire.
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Oh boy where the fuck do I begin. For one, it was the *Kievan Rus* so I’d say if Russia and Ukraine were to be United Ukraine should lead.
For two banderites is a term that, by the Russia you yourself support, is used to describe Ukrainians who want independence from Russia, a little *imperialist* don’t you think?
They don't have to build statues when they behave like nazis 😸
Same propaganda, similar lies why they had to invade Ukraine (Ukraine is like Czechoslovakia in this case), kidnapping children for russification
As a Czech I am glad for every help sent to Ukraine to help denaZify ruSSian naZi orcZ
Slava Ukraini
The Soviet armies are near Vistula after battling for two months with the Army Group Centre, exhausted and in need of reinfocements, their supply lines are several hundred kilometers long. The Poles in Warsaw then received an order from their government in exile to start the uprising before the Soviets came so that they would be in a better bartering position.
**Nevertheless, the Soviet forces - 2nd Tank Army, 47th Army - were sent to try and take some ground near/in Warsaw in late July, they encountered the German's resistance. They then manouvered to try and approach from another direction but were counterattacked by 4 German tank divisions and were repelled suffering heavy losses and had to retreat in the beginning of August.**
The whole thing was just another fuck up from the Poles of which in the post WW1 history were a lot. They tried jumping higher than their head, playing in the same league as the heavy weights and got burnt: the whole Prometheism thing, their Zaolzie operation, their invasion and occupation of Lithuania, their position in the talks leading to 1939. They were too sure the English will defend them (the result was the phoney war) that they absolutely blocked any talks that included the option of the Red Army going to battle against the Germans (this would need them to open their territory for the troops. The Soviet union was desperate to have an anti-German pact signed with France, but after the Munich agreement and after being declined time and time again by the Allies, the Soviet Union turned to another option to put the possible war to some later time and signed the non agression agreement with the Germans).
And then there was this whole Uprising, where the Poles wanted to show their muscles to the world, but mostly to the Soviets - that they are capable, that they can barter from the position of strength, that the Soviets are their enemies, and at the same time are now furious that the Soviets "did not help".
There were communist Polish forces near the area. To quote Glanz: the Polish 1st Army under General Berling joined the front line opposite Warsaw on August 20. On September 10 the Soviet attack was renewed; this time the Praga, the eastern suburb of Warsaw on the Soviet side of the Vistula, was captured. Air shipments by low-level parachute drops began. The Polish 1st Army then launched its own attack across the Vistula into Warsaw itself, but after heavy losses was forced on September 23 to retreat back across the river. **Even at this late stage the Polish Home Army distrusted pro-Communist compatriots so profoundly that they refused to co-ordinate their operations with the new attacking force**
All those civilian victims and all that destruction of an acient city is a result of the infamous Polish pride of the governement in exile being too big to see the things clearly.
As a Pole I agree but you have to count in the human element. The government in exile was pretty shit in knowing what was going on and responding accordingly. But the people of Warsaw were themselves very eager to fight. It's not hard to imagine that a lot of Poles in the uprising wanted to fight and it wasn't just their pride. Who wouldn't want to stick it up to the Nazis, who basically treated people in the city like cattle, send them to death and concentration camps.
Also the Germans were leaving the city as the front was moving towards it. A lot of people assumed that it would be easy to take because of that. Nobody would think at that time that Hitler was so extremely delusional and blinded by hate to order the retreating soldiers to get back to Warsaw only to level it. The Nazis couldn't have stopped their demise at that point so the amount of munitions and people they redirected to Warsaw again was only out of Hitler's spite. This is one thing that's often left out of the analysis.
For me, anyone fighting the Nazis has my respect, however, the fact that even during the late lopsided fighting during the uprising the people did not cooperate their actions with the communist Poles that were right there speaks volumes about the Government in exile and the soldiers under their command. So every time some dork (not meaning you but the original commentator) gloats about how the people were thrown to the lion's mouth while the Soviets "stood and did nothing", I will keep reposting my answer above
You're right, the whole thing about the Soviets stopping explicitly so Poles die is a huge misunderstanding of the situation and unfortunately is very popular in Poland. I learned about the truth of the situation a year or two ago (I'm 28) and if you ask any random polish person on the street they will repeat it. I'm sure during the education in school it was taught with more nuance but the whole narrative in the media sticks more.
For a good example of how education doesn't matter that much in perception of these kinds of things:
Józef Piłsudski basically made Poland to be an authoritarian state with pretty big political oppression and even internment camps for political prisoners. He basically did a coup and took power by force. We've been taught all of that in detail in school but also the person of Piłsudski is shown in culture as a grandfather of the second polish republic (he pretty much was) and is praised for that so much that I doubt most people remember all the horrendous shit about him they've learned in school.
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He's not right, I heard that a couple of times from people whom I trust and was lied to, should have checked. The red army intentionally stopped on the orders of Stalin. Motherfuckers never disappointed in being monsters to us Poles.
he's not fucking right. there is literally kremlin documentation available to the public showing Stalin ordering the army not to fucking help. And that's ignoring the communications the british had with the soviets where they refuse the use of Russian airfields for the purposes of airdropping in supplies to the polish rebels.
Goddamn russian dick riders are a fucking menace with their pastas.
I know about the refusal to use their airfields. God damn you're right. I heard about that thing with the Soviets intentionally stopping a few times from people whom I trusted but never checked it myself and was kind of like "yeah, I probably remember it wrong from history class". But you're completely correct, I feel bad for that, should have checked. I feel stupid now but thanks for the correction.
Yeah, I see that now. I don't feel bad for what happened now. I mostly feel bad for believing it for like two years and never bothering to check because the people I liked told me. Shouldn't trust anyone in such things unless they're historians and even then, probably double check. Especially with things that appear like known facts and suddenly someone tells you that it happened completely differently.
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Yeah like when they camped outside of Warsaw instead of helping with the uprising so that they can just march in after the battle, what heroes. Or when they massacred over 20,000 Polish officers( who spent the last 6 years fighting nazis in) Katyn. Or how about when the NKVD established their own concentration camps and threw in anyone considered a risk to their regieme. Or how about the Soviets pillaging, murdering and raping Polish civilians, is that Liberation?
Bro I literally said the Soviet Union sucked: they killed millions of people. Being better than the Nazis is not some amazing accomplishment, most regimes are better than the Nazis even horrible ones. But they were in fact better than the Nazis, and Poland was better off under them than they would’ve been under the Nazis, even if they’d be even more better off under neither. I’m no tankie lol
This is the most ridiculous "tankie" crying I have ever seen. You think that maybe the nazis should have just held Poland forever or what are you trying to say? Killing the nazis didn't *help*?
"Massive colonial force" is also incredibly funny, I wonder what you think about the force that held western europe 🤔
USSR and Germany were both occupying Poland at the same time and agreed to it's dissolution, they were consolidating ground from the Germans not exactly liberating poles (whom they purposely left to die and even executed)
At the very fucking least, it was an op;tion once the nazis were defeated, yet the soviets kept occupying Poland, the only thing that made Poland regain its freedom and independence was the fall of the soviet union, and even then the last russian troops only left in 1993, decades after the nazis had been defeated.
polish independance was very much an option, one the soviets didn't want, ever.
There are people who think that in 39 the soviets were just as bad as the nazis since they invaded poland as well. That is insane nazi apologia, the two countries are on whole different levels in terms of atrocities committed. If you really would prefer to get invaded by germany, and they certainly would have taken all of poland, then yeah you sound like an actual nazi.
Like I said, the Soviets sucked and did a lot of shitty things. But they were better than the Nazis, at least they weren’t trying to kill and enslave every Pole.
So they wanted slaves or corpses? Make up your mind.
And soviets **DID** genocide our elites, and **DID** enslave the population.
Is kreml paying you to whitewash russians or what?
Both, I don’t see why that’s difficult to understand. They wanted to enslave some Poles and genocide the rest: creating a permanent ethnic underclass to work farms owned by Germans across Eastern Europe. Modeled heavily off of American slavery of black people. The Soviets were an authoritarian dictatorship that killed a lot of people to maintain power, but they weren’t planning anything close to that. And you can see that in their death counts, Stalin killed 10-12 million people. The Nazis killed 25+ million, in a shorter period of time.
I’m not here to whitewash the Russians, but they were in fact preferable to the Nazis.
Stalin killed far far more people than Hitler.
I am too lazy to give exact numbers, but there is a joke about this statistic:
*Hitler was a petty criminal of the Stalinist period.*
No he didn’t. [Stalin killed 9-12 million](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin#:~:text=In%202011%2C%20after%20assessing%20twenty,policies%20are%20taken%20into%20account).
The European theatre of ww2 killed at least [35 million people](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_theatre_of_World_War_II). 99% of those deaths are on the hands of the Nazis. The only ones that aren’t are the deaths from the Soviet invasion of Poland and the baltics in 1939, and any allied war crimes (which happened, but were not nearly as common or deadly as the Nazis. The worst of it being mass raping of women on both fronts).
Stalin was a petty criminal of the Hitlerist period.
Poland could not into free
They should have played Dragon’s Dogma and listened to the intro song “Into Free” by B’z.
What?
I was making a joke on “cannot into free”. Cuz that’s what the song is called. Idk I’m tired and bored at work
Being tired and bored at the same time is a mood
What do you mean authoritarian state? Republic is in the name.
It's Democratic Centralism comrade!
[*And yet you call it “democratic centralism” despite the fact that it is obviously bourgeois dictatorship*](https://youtu.be/vTKwL7eW-1Q?si=E-l-Jq54sYHNJ9yU)
It was a truly wild ride from 1930 -1980.
This is awesome
This is completely inaccurate. At no point did the USSR say "please."
More like under new management
You could replace the Polish flag with several flags and it would work just as well.
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This happened twice, in 1939 and in 1944-1945.
And they had tried in 1920
Not to defend the USSR, but on that occasion it was Poland that attacked first.
Poles attacked first tho, so I wouldn't say the Soviets were the aggressors in 1920.
Why did they attack first?
Because the soviets have been threatening them, so they decided to attack while they were in a civil war instead of waiting for the russians to end their civil war
fake, soviet didnt want to invade poland (like finland) but poland wanted to form intermarium with imperilaist ideals.
Because they were governed by a expanionist nationalist government. They also invaded Ukraine and Lithuania
you said true things, why people here dowvoted u
I'm so used to Polandball that I sat there for a solid three seconds trying to figure out what country this was.
Why do they tip the Polish flag upside down? As an autistic flag nerd, it feels mildly infuriating 😂
It's an old in-joke. In a VERY old Polandball comic, apparently one of the first, Poland was upside down. Whether intentionally or not (it may have been an accident), it stuck around.
It stucked aroud just to annoy us. Because having folks buthurt about it us hillarious
Isn't Poland upside down just Indonesia though?
Which is why Indonesia gets a hat whenever they show up
No It's just any flag with a red and white stripe
Red Army: Citizens of Poland, we have come to save you-! Poles: Hooray! It's the Soviet Union! Red Army: -FROM SELF-RULE! Poles: ...Oh fuck, it's the Soviet Union.
Poles already had experience of first Soviet occupation of 1939. Nobody was expecting anything good.
It's why Poland is not taking their shit anymore
Thanks for making this post: you’ve baited the Russian nationalists into atrocity denial so they can be banned.
And with Ukraine, history repeats itself.
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I wouldn't trust a literal fascist dictator that worships the tsar and considers Lenin a terrorist for ""creating" Ukraine(which is a load of shit as the SSRs were created around already existing areas/cultures/states). Also by your logic Ireland is British and Belgium Spanish
It's hilarious how you talk about "de-nazifying" Ukraine in one comment, and in another, you say you wish they'd put all the Poles in concentration camps. Every accusation is a confession with you fascists. I struggle to understand how someone could be as outwardly evil as you.
Reading through their own comment history they're basically a fat Russian incel. So yeah all their firehose of horse shit tracks
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Yes the whole world are nazis and you are the heros to save humanity from evil Globohomo Cia nazi bio engineering west.
And big surprise they live in an Evil Globohomo NATO US Proxy of Germany. Not glorious and mighty Russia. Huh shocking
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>USSR could have done the same but it didn't but somehow it still is just as bas as the Nazis because your propaganda says so I don't think the USSR was as bad as the Nazis. They were still pretty terrible, but not on the same level. >I meant that if the USSR did that then it would be equal to Nazi Germany but that never happened and the USSR preserved the Polish state with Polish people therefore liberated it. I depends what you mean by "liberate." They put a puppet regime in charge, and so Poland would not be free for another 50 years when the empire collapsed. You're also forgetting that the USSR invaded Poland in 1939, in partnership with Nazi Germany. During said time, they perpetrated brutal massacres like at Katyn. Sure, they didn't commit to the complete genocide of the Polish people like the Nazis were attempting. But they weren't nice to Poland or Poles in any regard. >You are just not capable of thinking with your head and that is ehy you are the real fascists who supports fascist inside of Ukraine who build status of fascist, employ fascists and do fascist actions against Russian people. You live under a far-right dictator. A man who has the gall to blame Poland for the joint Nazi-Soviet invasion. An autocrat that almost word for word used the same justification as the Nazis did when they invaded the Sudetanland and Poland. Your country wasn't attacked, but chose to go after its neighbour, which happens to be led by a Jewish man. After all that, do you really think you have the right to call Ukraine fascist? Maybe you should do with your own fascist government and fascist people first. I wonder what new BS you'll pull out of your arse in order to justify your ragged imperialism. I can hardly wait.
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>Poland was a hostile state to everyone around it, already proved it by the Polish-Soviet war in 1919-1921, grabbing of Czechoslovak land in 1938 or ultimatum to Lithuania in 1938 as well And you think this justifies the Soviet invasion of not just Poland but the Baltic states, Romania and Finland? If we're talking about hostility, the USSR is far above Poland. >No, I don't live under a far-right dictatorship and neither do Russian people. Putin never was far-righ, he always was a centrist Only in comparison to the other wackjobs in your government. He's absolutely not a centrist by other metrics. >Ukrainian aggression against the Donbass people, , NATO expansion, rewriting of history and destruction of Soviet and Russian monuments inside of Ukraine and the coup in 2014 in Kiev bringing to power that fascist and russophobic regime which started to wage war against the Donbass people after they rose up and had the counter-Maidan. Ukraine was fighting a civil war in Donbass against Russian backed separatists. Is it aggression to fight back against rebels? In 8 years of fighting, some 3400 civilians died (many killed by the separatists and Russians). By comparison, you've already slaughtered tens of thousands of civilians, and it's only been two years. > Ukrainian Banderite fascism, Overstated and overplayed by Russia. The vast majority of Ukrainians are not fascist. In fact, the Ukrainian far-right only managed to secure 1.65% of the vote in the last election. >NATO expansion Russia doesn't get to decide who its neighbours are friends with. I'd say that Russian imperialism is in a justification for NATO expansion. >coup in 2014 in Kiev bringing to power that fascist and russophobic It wasn't a coup. Yanukovych went back on his word, started killing protestors, and was subsequently removed by the unanimous vote of the Ukrainian Parliament. The current government is not fascist, unlike your own. As for "russophobia," I'm afraid that's just what happens when Russia invades your country and murders your people. Or did you expect Ukraine to still like you? >Yes because Ukraine is the one who has been waging war against their own people since 2014, after an illegitament overthrow of government It wasn't illegitimate, you pleb. >is Ukraine which is employing Neo-Nazi regiments and battalions since 2014 like Asov Azov are/were a bunch of fascists, but they only made up a tiny part of Ukraine's forces. Russia uses neo-Nazis PMCs like Rusich Group - yet you don't seem to care. You're shamelessly hypocritical. >The only imperialism which is justified here is NATO's imperialism. The imperialism of expanding NATO with coups and at the cost of the whole Ukrainian population being used to fight Russia. Your persecution complex is beyond pathetic. Russia expands through force and invasion. NATO expansion is voluntary. Of the two, you're the imperialist. You accuse others of doing the things you yourself have done. You victim blame, and whine and throw tantrums whenever your hypocrisy is pointed out. It's pitiful - but you have only yourself to blame. Maybe when you've lost another 100k men in your fascist war, you'll start to understand that you're on the wrong side.
Why did the Tsar have to ban the Ukrainian language for 100s of years, then? Why does the Russian census of 1896 distinguish between Russians and Ukrainians? Was the Tsar a Western amerkansky spy?
If Russians and Ukrainians are the same nation, why did Russia starve to 3-5 millions Ukrainians to death in Holodomor? The answer is simple, they tried to get rid of this nation, like their German allies, before their betrayal in 1941.
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According to estimates, they could have starved up to 10 million people to death, not counting the Ukrainians themselves. However, the number of Stalin's victims is estimated at up to 60 million. These include not only Ukrainians, but also Balts, Poles, Uzbeks, Koreans and many other nationalities. Contrary to what your propagandists say, Poland never had an alliance with Germany and had one of the largest resistance movements in Europe, which was dismantled by the Soviet Union when it began occupying the area. And Russia signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
The Soviets didn't try to starve Ukraine directly so they could "genocide" them, everyone suffered in the Soviet Union millions died in Russia or Kazakhstan. The Ukrainians only weaponised it perfectly and now everyone uses it. I don't want to deny it, maybe there was something in this direction but deliberately ignoring other deaths that happened during the same time for the same reason is idiotic. The same way of claiming how Soviets did only Human Wave attacks, because the Nazis wanted to show how the soviets are about to capitulate and dehumanise them and now russians do the same because you see an entire squad running towards the building or forest to attack a stronghold or hide from enemy fire.
Shut up Nazi
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Hey look it’s a talking bag of sunflower fertiliser
Na this one says they live in Germany a nice western country so they're a cute 5th columnist with a safe gig making FSB approved social media posts
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You’re not even the enemy, your lower than that, a a parasite, a leach, a tick, a tapeworm.
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There are two main types of Sunflower seeds. They are Black and Grey striped (also sometimes called White) which have a grey-ish stripe or two down the length of the seed. The black type of seeds, also called ‘Black Oil’, are up to 45% richer in Sunflower oil and are used mainly in manufacture, whilst grey seeds are used for consumer snacks and animal food production.
What does being a Nazi has to do with whatever I wrote. But whatever, I also love calling other Nazis or Fascists when I disagree with them :).
[What you just said...](https://youtu.be/zrWoG8IckyE?si=PYM8voggPBH03C-d)
Oh boy where the fuck do I begin. For one, it was the *Kievan Rus* so I’d say if Russia and Ukraine were to be United Ukraine should lead. For two banderites is a term that, by the Russia you yourself support, is used to describe Ukrainians who want independence from Russia, a little *imperialist* don’t you think?
If ruSSian federaZion wants to denazify, they should start in kremlin 🪳🇷🇺🪳
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They don't have to build statues when they behave like nazis 😸 Same propaganda, similar lies why they had to invade Ukraine (Ukraine is like Czechoslovakia in this case), kidnapping children for russification As a Czech I am glad for every help sent to Ukraine to help denaZify ruSSian naZi orcZ Slava Ukraini
Poland: “You again?!”
Soviets really just let the Germans slaughter there Poles in the Warsaw uprising .
The Soviet armies are near Vistula after battling for two months with the Army Group Centre, exhausted and in need of reinfocements, their supply lines are several hundred kilometers long. The Poles in Warsaw then received an order from their government in exile to start the uprising before the Soviets came so that they would be in a better bartering position. **Nevertheless, the Soviet forces - 2nd Tank Army, 47th Army - were sent to try and take some ground near/in Warsaw in late July, they encountered the German's resistance. They then manouvered to try and approach from another direction but were counterattacked by 4 German tank divisions and were repelled suffering heavy losses and had to retreat in the beginning of August.** The whole thing was just another fuck up from the Poles of which in the post WW1 history were a lot. They tried jumping higher than their head, playing in the same league as the heavy weights and got burnt: the whole Prometheism thing, their Zaolzie operation, their invasion and occupation of Lithuania, their position in the talks leading to 1939. They were too sure the English will defend them (the result was the phoney war) that they absolutely blocked any talks that included the option of the Red Army going to battle against the Germans (this would need them to open their territory for the troops. The Soviet union was desperate to have an anti-German pact signed with France, but after the Munich agreement and after being declined time and time again by the Allies, the Soviet Union turned to another option to put the possible war to some later time and signed the non agression agreement with the Germans). And then there was this whole Uprising, where the Poles wanted to show their muscles to the world, but mostly to the Soviets - that they are capable, that they can barter from the position of strength, that the Soviets are their enemies, and at the same time are now furious that the Soviets "did not help". There were communist Polish forces near the area. To quote Glanz: the Polish 1st Army under General Berling joined the front line opposite Warsaw on August 20. On September 10 the Soviet attack was renewed; this time the Praga, the eastern suburb of Warsaw on the Soviet side of the Vistula, was captured. Air shipments by low-level parachute drops began. The Polish 1st Army then launched its own attack across the Vistula into Warsaw itself, but after heavy losses was forced on September 23 to retreat back across the river. **Even at this late stage the Polish Home Army distrusted pro-Communist compatriots so profoundly that they refused to co-ordinate their operations with the new attacking force** All those civilian victims and all that destruction of an acient city is a result of the infamous Polish pride of the governement in exile being too big to see the things clearly.
As a Pole I agree but you have to count in the human element. The government in exile was pretty shit in knowing what was going on and responding accordingly. But the people of Warsaw were themselves very eager to fight. It's not hard to imagine that a lot of Poles in the uprising wanted to fight and it wasn't just their pride. Who wouldn't want to stick it up to the Nazis, who basically treated people in the city like cattle, send them to death and concentration camps. Also the Germans were leaving the city as the front was moving towards it. A lot of people assumed that it would be easy to take because of that. Nobody would think at that time that Hitler was so extremely delusional and blinded by hate to order the retreating soldiers to get back to Warsaw only to level it. The Nazis couldn't have stopped their demise at that point so the amount of munitions and people they redirected to Warsaw again was only out of Hitler's spite. This is one thing that's often left out of the analysis.
For me, anyone fighting the Nazis has my respect, however, the fact that even during the late lopsided fighting during the uprising the people did not cooperate their actions with the communist Poles that were right there speaks volumes about the Government in exile and the soldiers under their command. So every time some dork (not meaning you but the original commentator) gloats about how the people were thrown to the lion's mouth while the Soviets "stood and did nothing", I will keep reposting my answer above
You're right, the whole thing about the Soviets stopping explicitly so Poles die is a huge misunderstanding of the situation and unfortunately is very popular in Poland. I learned about the truth of the situation a year or two ago (I'm 28) and if you ask any random polish person on the street they will repeat it. I'm sure during the education in school it was taught with more nuance but the whole narrative in the media sticks more. For a good example of how education doesn't matter that much in perception of these kinds of things: Józef Piłsudski basically made Poland to be an authoritarian state with pretty big political oppression and even internment camps for political prisoners. He basically did a coup and took power by force. We've been taught all of that in detail in school but also the person of Piłsudski is shown in culture as a grandfather of the second polish republic (he pretty much was) and is praised for that so much that I doubt most people remember all the horrendous shit about him they've learned in school. EDIT: He's not right, I heard that a couple of times from people whom I trust and was lied to, should have checked. The red army intentionally stopped on the orders of Stalin. Motherfuckers never disappointed in being monsters to us Poles.
he's not fucking right. there is literally kremlin documentation available to the public showing Stalin ordering the army not to fucking help. And that's ignoring the communications the british had with the soviets where they refuse the use of Russian airfields for the purposes of airdropping in supplies to the polish rebels. Goddamn russian dick riders are a fucking menace with their pastas.
I know about the refusal to use their airfields. God damn you're right. I heard about that thing with the Soviets intentionally stopping a few times from people whom I trusted but never checked it myself and was kind of like "yeah, I probably remember it wrong from history class". But you're completely correct, I feel bad for that, should have checked. I feel stupid now but thanks for the correction.
Dont. That guy's just a nut. Look at his post history - it's just him hanging around in r/conspiracy defending russia.
Yeah, I see that now. I don't feel bad for what happened now. I mostly feel bad for believing it for like two years and never bothering to check because the people I liked told me. Shouldn't trust anyone in such things unless they're historians and even then, probably double check. Especially with things that appear like known facts and suddenly someone tells you that it happened completely differently.
Tankie copy pastes are so rough.
>Lead pipes enjoyer after reading a text he doesn't agree with, instead of providing any sound argument against it:
Dude, blow me. You're a conspiro putin dick sucker, and I find enjoyment in being mean to you. I owe you no fucking retort.
You've mistaken me with your dad, so no, I don't think I will.
omph. that was a bad one. You should have at least said it was my mom. Is it more impactful to insult someone's dad in Russian culture?
I mean, if you think your mom is the one who should suck your dick, then I guess so? you're the one who knows your family.
lol. that was at least a little better.
You can put it with evry part of soviet union
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I mean just like in this scene, they aren’t wrong per se. The Soviets sucked but compared to the Nazis they were liberators in 44-45.
"Compared to the the Nazis" is a pretty low bar.
and even in this they are not so far from this bar
They were pretty far, but the nazis were in hell, so the Soviets only raised it to subterranean.
Yup, it’s one of the only bars they could clear
Yeah like when they camped outside of Warsaw instead of helping with the uprising so that they can just march in after the battle, what heroes. Or when they massacred over 20,000 Polish officers( who spent the last 6 years fighting nazis in) Katyn. Or how about when the NKVD established their own concentration camps and threw in anyone considered a risk to their regieme. Or how about the Soviets pillaging, murdering and raping Polish civilians, is that Liberation?
Don't bother, it's just another tankie living in their own reality where a massive colonial force actually helped the places it invaded 🙄
Bro I literally said the Soviet Union sucked: they killed millions of people. Being better than the Nazis is not some amazing accomplishment, most regimes are better than the Nazis even horrible ones. But they were in fact better than the Nazis, and Poland was better off under them than they would’ve been under the Nazis, even if they’d be even more better off under neither. I’m no tankie lol
This is the most ridiculous "tankie" crying I have ever seen. You think that maybe the nazis should have just held Poland forever or what are you trying to say? Killing the nazis didn't *help*? "Massive colonial force" is also incredibly funny, I wonder what you think about the force that held western europe 🤔
USSR and Germany were both occupying Poland at the same time and agreed to it's dissolution, they were consolidating ground from the Germans not exactly liberating poles (whom they purposely left to die and even executed)
One big question: do you think eastern poland would have been better off under the germans?
Poland would have been better off with independence, what kind of question is that?!
No fucking shit but that was not really an option, stop acting dumb
At the very fucking least, it was an op;tion once the nazis were defeated, yet the soviets kept occupying Poland, the only thing that made Poland regain its freedom and independence was the fall of the soviet union, and even then the last russian troops only left in 1993, decades after the nazis had been defeated. polish independance was very much an option, one the soviets didn't want, ever.
There are people who think that in 39 the soviets were just as bad as the nazis since they invaded poland as well. That is insane nazi apologia, the two countries are on whole different levels in terms of atrocities committed. If you really would prefer to get invaded by germany, and they certainly would have taken all of poland, then yeah you sound like an actual nazi.
He acknowledged the Soviets sucked, it's just that the Nazis were a lot worse
Like I said, the Soviets sucked and did a lot of shitty things. But they were better than the Nazis, at least they weren’t trying to kill and enslave every Pole.
They were liberators... they liberated my country from goods and freedom. No country in history has fucked Poland more than Russia.
The Nazis were planning to genocide and enslave every single Pole, the Soviets sucked but they’re preferable to that
So they wanted slaves or corpses? Make up your mind. And soviets **DID** genocide our elites, and **DID** enslave the population. Is kreml paying you to whitewash russians or what?
Both, I don’t see why that’s difficult to understand. They wanted to enslave some Poles and genocide the rest: creating a permanent ethnic underclass to work farms owned by Germans across Eastern Europe. Modeled heavily off of American slavery of black people. The Soviets were an authoritarian dictatorship that killed a lot of people to maintain power, but they weren’t planning anything close to that. And you can see that in their death counts, Stalin killed 10-12 million people. The Nazis killed 25+ million, in a shorter period of time. I’m not here to whitewash the Russians, but they were in fact preferable to the Nazis.
Stalin killed far far more people than Hitler. I am too lazy to give exact numbers, but there is a joke about this statistic: *Hitler was a petty criminal of the Stalinist period.*
No he didn’t. [Stalin killed 9-12 million](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin#:~:text=In%202011%2C%20after%20assessing%20twenty,policies%20are%20taken%20into%20account). The European theatre of ww2 killed at least [35 million people](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_theatre_of_World_War_II). 99% of those deaths are on the hands of the Nazis. The only ones that aren’t are the deaths from the Soviet invasion of Poland and the baltics in 1939, and any allied war crimes (which happened, but were not nearly as common or deadly as the Nazis. The worst of it being mass raping of women on both fronts). Stalin was a petty criminal of the Hitlerist period.
Bad guys VS bad guys, but speaking russian
Both were bad but the Nazis were far worse. Just as the British and Nazis both sucked but the Nazis were far worse.
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