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Fred_Buck

Carolingian Empire : the promising reboot that got stuck in development hell.


Narco_Marcion1075

and was scrapped entirely


2nW_from_Markus

After cast switches, they tried to continue withe the main and two spin-offs, that eneded competing for prime.


Ok-Assistant133

The fanfiction with an obvious author self insert would be a good one for the US, considering how the founding fathers were all massive Rome fanboys.


Eomatrix

I propose the title of “The Other Weird Fanfic That Is Much Better Written, So The Weird Fanfic is Having an Even Weirder Feud With Them Over It”


Stripier_Cape

I'm sure Augustus and Diocletian are proud, considering the US owns the world


Te_Gek

The italian one was really just milking the concept one last time.


TheCoolPersian

I really hate this iteration of the meme because the obvious prequel is the Roman Republic, not the Macedonian Empire that has nothing to do with Rome.


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Technically the Republic and the Empire were the same entity. We call it an Empire after Augustus's rein started, but Romans never did, they continued to refer to them selves as the republic (SPQR) well into the 5th and 6th centuries.


Tweed_Man

Something I've never been able to find but when (or if) did the Romans stop seeing themselves as a republic and start seeing themselves as an empire?


T-EightHundred

Cant cite source but I remember reading somewhere that even late byzantines still considered themselves to have republic! Such strong tradition it was.


mutantraniE

An empire is simply a dominant central power ruling over subordinate peripheries. That describes Rome from almost as soon as it started expanding. When Rome fought Carthage it was already and empire. If you're asking when the Romans actually started admitting they were a monarchy? That depends on what you mean, but the Roman/Byzantine empire? Officially never, they were still technically cosplaying as a republic until 1453. Unofficially, it's usually counted from after the crisis of the third century, getting off to a start with Aurelian and then really getting going with Diocletian's reign. On the other hand the Carolingians and the Holy Roman Empire and the Ottomans and the Russians knew they were monarchies from the start.


jokazo

This is kind of a weird topic, because we would have to define what constitutes an empire, I would argue the mid to late roman republic was already an empire. I've read a speech from Cícero where he refers to Rome as an Empire, and he was a staunch republican.


StoltATGM

This is great


tingtimson

Mare nostrum....


Executer_no-1

The persian one kinda feels true to me as a Persian, although enemies, we and Romans/Italians have quite Similar Histoies in my opinion!


alikander99

I was gonna say the same. I think that one is the most original our of all in the meme.


Practical-Ninja-6770

Both Macedonia and Arabia pulled a funny one on Persia.


Executer_no-1

Sadly yes!


lleskaa

The Ottoman Empire was a spin-off of the villain which I think could rival the originals quality


Dmannmann

Ottoman empire came nowhere close to the original roman empire. It was a good villain to the ageing empire tho. It's basically the horror sequel in which the villain wears the victims face as a mask.


tylrswiftagzimatukur

Came nowhere close my ass. Ottomans were the closest to the roman empire out of anyone.


Kewhira_

Fun Fact: Ottomans were larger than the Roman Empire


redracer555

I believe the bottom left is the Macedonian Empire, but I'm having trouble recognizing the one on the bottom right. It's definitely one of the Iranian empires, but I just can't tell which one.


xarsha_93

I think it's the Parthian Empire. The Sassanian was a bit bigger most of the time and of course had some eastern Mediterranean territories for a bit there.


redracer555

I think you're right. It does seem like the best fit. Hey, OP? Is that the Parthian Empire?


An_Ugly_Bastard

I think you’re right with bottom left. The Romans had a lot of respect for Alexander the Great.


MortifiedPotato

Ottoman Empire was a very good thing, lol. For 500 years, it kept order over the middle east. After its fall, the west carved up the territories as colonies, then abandoned them, and now we deal with dozens of radical terrorist organizations.


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MortifiedPotato

Not going into this discussion. Just educate yourself on genocides, as you show immense ignorance just posting this comment.


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the_shaggy_DA

Is it fair to say that was the Ottomans and not the secular proto-government? I don’t know where the line is drawn with Ottoman control vs. the Young Turks


tanmalika

Said that to israel


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If the choices are either oppression or terrorism its kind of hard to just blame everything on foreign decision making.


UN-peacekeeper

Ottomans were not the “Bad Spinoff” imo


Ssssci

Yeah, more like horror spinoff. Story centers around villain that killed the original sequel protagonist.


arabdudefr

they are the megamind of the roman empire.


Sir_Toaster_9330

Fascist Italy fits perfectly!!!


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kosmologue

Wow what the fuck


Notte_di_nerezza

The sequel that nobody wanted is so on-point, it's not even funny. (It's really funny.)


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T-EightHundred

"aNd MaDe TrAiNs RuN oN tImE!"


Barbarian_Sam

Why is the Russian Empire the weird fan fiction?


arabdudefr

maybe, it has to do with Mosco being a holy city? or them wanting really bad to get Constantine? or maybe both.


Suk-Mike_Hok

Short lived prequel under Alexander, but the Greek world persisted in those areas for at least 300 years.


TriGN614

Idk if ottomans were a bad spinoff They’d be like “the joker” to the dark knight


Islandfiddler15

Honestly, I like the HRE more then the Roman Empire


Post_Washington

Weird is spelled wrong.


Tiburoncin612

What would be the spanish empire? xd


javistark

A reboot with new actors and with a new showrunner. I'd probably be a miniseries because it was shorter than the original.


Tweed_Man

The Sequel had a lower budget but was way cooler.


Grzechoooo

The Ottoman Empire was an excellent villain arc. Top tier bad guy.


arabdudefr

the same as the sequel plot, but from the villain that destroyed them, genius story telling.


haonlineorders

Star Wars vs Rome Comparison Knights of the Old Republic = Rome founding myths. Is this canon? Phantom Menace = Roman Kingdom. Nobody looks too favorably on it. Attack of the Clones = Conquest of Italy. More favorable than previous installment but still meh Clone Wars (TV Show) = Punic Wars. Peak of Republic/Star-Wars-Prequels Revenge of the Sith = Triumverates. Literally about fall of the republic and is nostalgized. A New Hope = Augustus. Where Roman Empire and Star Wars got started Empire Strikes Back = 5 Good Emperors. The Peak Return of the Jedi = Tetra-archy and Constantine. End of the Golden Age but has some flaws Mandalorian = Justinian Dynasty. Good start to Sequels Resistance = Dark ages. Bad times Force Awakens = Basil I. Good start, let’s see where this goes Last Jedi = Kommenian Restoration. Still good but flaws are happening. Rise of Skywalker = 1204 to the end. The bad ending


Training-Sail-7627

I like this meme, but I would have loved it with a lower resolution.


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arabdudefr

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Nuclear_Chicken5

Ottomans is the spinoff about the villain who carried the show after the show lost its point long seasons ago


koontzim

Why doesn't Mussolini have Croatia?


arabdudefr

those are pre WW2 borders I think, are they inaccurate? they use that ''exact'' map in our school book.


koontzim

Why go for pre ww2 and not greatest extent?


arabdudefr

the map was in a section talking about axis pre WW2 expansion.


koontzim

OP could have taken a map from another place


arabdudefr

yeah that would make sense.


Charlie-VH

Then there was the North Sea Empire…could have changed the world, but quietly(ish) dissolved into nothing


Impossible_Speed_954

They all be rome, or try to at least


Leprechaun_lord

It’s been awhile since I’ve seen this reposted…


Mattsgonnamine

Carthage, the original series that was scrapped to make way for the much more liked show


swede242

Did you just call the actual Roman Empire a bad spin off? Of the Roman Empire? The Roman Empire is a bad spin off of the Roman empire? We lost her in 1453, not whenevere uneconomical gaullish or Island provinces were abdandoned


ppppilot

Roman Empire but gay.


Blah132454675

It's ottomans


jamesyishere

"The one that ruined the original" Can we grow the fuck up


malonepicknroll

I agree tbh. The Carolingian and later HRE has such an extremely interesting and underappreciated history.


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jamesyishere

Nah I just mean the language of "I didnt like the most recent _____ Therefore the series sux" Fuck the HRE and Fuck Rome.


uwuwuwuwwuwuwuuwuu

Ottoman should be netflix adaptation lol


Level_Hour6480

Why'd you put the only good one as "The bad spinoff"?


PizzaLikerFan

Ottoman empire has no leverage on the title imo, the byzantin empire is objectively the Roman empire and the HRE has the recognition of the Pope and rome. But why does ottoman claim to be roman? I get it, its a cool empire, but so is the Ottoman Empire, they cool enough without the title, idk it just makes them look desperate


ChadOttoman

I dont care whether the ottoman empire was roman or not but I can give you the reason Basically after 1453, the Ottomans practiced roman customs and made its capital constantinople. Also why would you need recognition from the pope?


PizzaLikerFan

>Also why would you need recognition from the pope? Not necessarily but because the Vatican is in Rome and was made by the romans


Glad-Chard-1076

Since when does being in a city made by others make you the owner or the owner?


PizzaLikerFan

There is a difference between being a citizen in a house and being the Pope in the Vatican And I dont think the Pope has the definitive say in who the Roman empire is, just more of a say than other people beside the Roman empire themself


Glad-Chard-1076

in that period of the middle ages, kings asked for recognition from the pope to be considered legitimate (even if another king did this much earlier), if someone proclaimed himself as Roman emperor should we take him seriously?


PizzaLikerFan

No lmao, (I dont think the HRE is THE Roman empire btw, just that is more legit than Ottoman)


Glad-Chard-1076

Why do you consider this? well, the Germanic emperors used the Roman title as an embellishment, the Ottomans could have done the same thing as well. So what makes one thing more legitimate than another?


PizzaLikerFan

Like I said, the Pope, it barely makes a difference tho and neither should be considered the Roman empire


Glad-Chard-1076

but the pope is not Roman, Charlemagne's coronation took place ~300 years after the Roman fall and without any emperor deciding who would be the successor


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ChadOttoman

We aint a bad spinoff, this is an insult to glorious Türkiye!!