For anyone curious:
Electric eels were discovered by Europeans after electricity was discovered and given the scientific name "Electrophorus electricus" first. So as far as Europeans were concerned, they weren't called anything before the discovery of electromagnetism.
However, they are still called what roughly translates to "that which makes numb" in some languages native to the Amazon.
There's also another type of electric fish that's called a "torpedo fish" (translated from Roman name: piscis torpedo) that's native to the Mediterranean. The name being derived from the Latin verb "torpere" meaning "to numb".
So based on an extremely limited sample size, "numbing" seems to have been a popular adjective for electric fish before electromagnetism was well understood
Which makes logical sense for people to associate electricity with numbness because the pins and needles feeling that happens when your arm falls asleep.
So wait... before looking it up just now I didn't know electric eels actually generate electric shocks. For one it's crazy that a living being can generate 600 volts.. But also... would it be possible to use them as a power source Matrix style?
Technically, yes they could be used as a very inefficient and unreliable power source. I forget how long it takes for an electric eel to recharge once it's depleted, but it is not an insignificant amount of time.
So, just like in the movie with humans, power could technically be derived from them, but the net energy yield would be negative. It's essentially the same as using an artificial light source to grow a tree and then burning the resulting wood to generate power. Will the fire yield energy? Yes. Will the fire yield more energy than the electricity used to power the grow light? Not even close.
Our brains are basically already computers. Biological ones sure. But with enough tech magic you could use us as RAM, our memory as storage, graphics for our occipital lobe. We'd probably be best for RAM our brains are great at doing processes although most are involuntary.
Neurons are very effective computers. If we wanted to make an artificial brain we'd need a really really big computer. While our bodies do it basically for free in a compact space.
It's a roughly head sized lump of meat that's able to render all of your senses plus thoughts plus pilot a complex meat mech and all it costs is some food.
You'd need to find someone much smarter than I to answer the "how", but I'm happy to make some stuff up as to a possible "why". I apologize in advance because I'm going to be making this up as I go along, so I'm sure it'll be pretty incoherent. Anyway...
The reason it made me think of the Lava lamp wall is because it's a great example of the limitations of deterministic/engineered systems. In the Matrix universe, the machines would still suffer from those same limitations (though the role of quantum computing could throw a wrinkle in there). That is, any development they make is constrained by their current state so they'd ultimately hit an "evolutionary" wall. By running endless permutations of some algorithm on an imperfect biological machine, maybe they could come up with some new insight/solution.
It's kind of the opposite of how ML works now. That is, ML works through convergent "thinking" wherein each permutation tries to get closer to a proper representation of a known end-state (i.e., perfectly predicting some outcome). The same type of process done on a biological system could end up allowing for divergent "thinking" to allow some algorithm to "evolve" in completely unpredictable ways that could end up able to accomplish some entirely new task that the machines could have never even considered.
An even more mundane possibility is based on the fact that a system cannot error check itself. So, if the machines want to push a software update, they apply it to the biological system first as part of the QA process. Anyone who has ever done software dev will tell you that humans have a preternatural ability to find the tiniest flaws in your logic and holes in your error handling. In that case, Neo is just the last step in their code review... Which, as I just realized, is actually pretty close to what the architect says at the end of the second movie.
...well, after reading what I typed, that's all pretty stupid. But, I think I gave myself carpal tunnel from typing all that on my phone and I can't bring myself to just delete it. So, yea... Sorry for the blather.
TL;DR: Save yourself the 2 minutes and just move on to the next comment.
If you could make a few key advances in quantum computing and neural brain mapping it's way more possible to use the collective unconscious as a distributed computing system.
The laws of physics pretty much rule out using us as batteries unless the machines were INSANELY efficient at capturing every Joule of energy from body heat, vibrations, etc. Our bodies are endothermic and consume more energy than they generate.
3 dicks for the elves, wisest and fairest of all creatures, 7 dicks for the dwarves in their halls of stone, and 9 dicks for the nine kings of men who, above all else, deserves power
Turns out casting lightning spells back in the day was just a bunch of old fishermen screaming chants while simultaneously hyucking bio-electrically spicy water snakes
That just makes it sound too much like the original words. Keeping the l from tremble and spacing the two e at the end makes it sound and look more unique while keeping the same general name and meaning.
It just seems as the dutch just were extreme dust germans who lisped aswell. Sorry for that comparison but i really like your country and your sea. I have been there some years ago with a church group from my region was a really nice experience. And as a funfact we swiss people seem to get a hang of it what you try to say my brither whuch mist have been 12 or 10 were chilling with a dutch girl in our vacation in Turkey and they could comunicate so it seems to work out.
In case you didn't know, most eels aren't electric. They are just like long wriggly fish.
And their babies are called elver, which are delicious.
Mmmm, eelbabies
Indigenous people in Venezuela called it arimna, or “something that deprives you of motion.” Early European naturalists referred to it as the “numb-eel.”
Ancient Egyptian texts dating from 2750 BC referred to these fish as the "Thunderer of the Nile", and described them as the "protectors" of all other fish. Aphra Behn (1640–1689) in her novel Oroonoko (1688) described the electric eel as a “numb eel,” introducing the creature to European readers.
Indigenous people in South America had many names for them, but in English they were sometimes referred to as the “torporific eel” both before and after the 1760s, when several European and North American scientists independently discovered their electrical abilities. The American-born plantation doctor Edward Bancroft conducted experiments in Dutch Demerara (in modern Guyana) which disproved the prevailing view that the ‘shock’ they delivered was just an incredibly strong and imperceptibly fast physical blow. Bancroft did this by paying Indigenous people to hold hands while one of them touched the eel, and by molesting the fish with a range of metal and wooden implements which showed that only electrically conductive materials transferred the shock. About 15 years later Bancroft ended up as the personal secretary of Benjamin Franklin (who had conducted his own experiments with electricity), spying for him in Paris while also being paid by the British to act as a double agent
Ancient Egyptian texts dating from 2750 BC referred to these fish as the "Thunderer of the Nile", and described them as the "protectors" of all other fish. Aphra Behn (1640–1689) in her novel Oroonoko (1688) described the electric eel as a “numb eel,” introducing the creature to European readers.
Electricity wasn’t invented, this pisses me off lol. Neither was fire…electricity runs through our bodies. We’re merely playing with another form of energy…
Electricity has always existed. In lightening, for example, or eels. Nobody invented it. It was just studied and harnessed eventually, by humans. That said, I don't know what electric eels were called before.
Electricity as a phenomenon was already used way before the birth of christ. Yes, what that actually meant was only really discovered in the 18 hundreds
Electricity was discovered, not invented.
Over 2000 years ago, around 550 BC, the Greek mathematician and philosopher Thales of Miletus discovered the electrical charge of particles. When rubbing amber, he discovered that it can attract such small particles
The eels were discovered around 1740, named the electric eel in 1766. While electricity was discovered in 1752 the word had been in use since around 1600AD.
For anyone curious: Electric eels were discovered by Europeans after electricity was discovered and given the scientific name "Electrophorus electricus" first. So as far as Europeans were concerned, they weren't called anything before the discovery of electromagnetism. However, they are still called what roughly translates to "that which makes numb" in some languages native to the Amazon. There's also another type of electric fish that's called a "torpedo fish" (translated from Roman name: piscis torpedo) that's native to the Mediterranean. The name being derived from the Latin verb "torpere" meaning "to numb". So based on an extremely limited sample size, "numbing" seems to have been a popular adjective for electric fish before electromagnetism was well understood
Which makes logical sense for people to associate electricity with numbness because the pins and needles feeling that happens when your arm falls asleep.
> torpedo fish Romans had Torpedos confirmed
imagine how devastating torpedoes would be in an age of wooden boats... marvelous.
Rome after losing an entire fleet to torpedo fish. "Let's build a new fleet. Again."
World War 2 era United States Navy after losing an entire fleet to torpedos. "Let's build a new fleet. Again."
"Let's build a new fleet. Agean" FTFY
Just have to be a metal spike, no explosive required
So wait... before looking it up just now I didn't know electric eels actually generate electric shocks. For one it's crazy that a living being can generate 600 volts.. But also... would it be possible to use them as a power source Matrix style?
Why else would they be called electric eels?
When asking that question, remember that 1) they’re technically not eels and 2) we have a bugs called fire ants that *dont* set things on fire.
Yet.
Lol fair enough
Sure as hell feels like it though.
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:( I have to wake up every day with this knowledge….
However, brown eggs come from brown chickens.
The flying fish can't fly, sword fish aren't swords, and a house fly doesn't meet the occupancy or building code standards to be considered a house.
Don't say that to the fish or they will go all Buzz Lightyear on you
To be fair, they aren't actually eels, so that throws the whole 'electric' part into question as well.
Technically, yes they could be used as a very inefficient and unreliable power source. I forget how long it takes for an electric eel to recharge once it's depleted, but it is not an insignificant amount of time. So, just like in the movie with humans, power could technically be derived from them, but the net energy yield would be negative. It's essentially the same as using an artificial light source to grow a tree and then burning the resulting wood to generate power. Will the fire yield energy? Yes. Will the fire yield more energy than the electricity used to power the grow light? Not even close.
Didn't they dumb down the matrix into the people are batteries bs. They were originally used as computers I think, which makes more sense to me
I've never heard that, but it would have definitely made a lot more sense. Makes me think of the Lava lamp wall that's used for cryptography.
Love that Cloudflare wall. About using humans as computers, how would that work?
Our brains are basically already computers. Biological ones sure. But with enough tech magic you could use us as RAM, our memory as storage, graphics for our occipital lobe. We'd probably be best for RAM our brains are great at doing processes although most are involuntary.
Neurons are very effective computers. If we wanted to make an artificial brain we'd need a really really big computer. While our bodies do it basically for free in a compact space. It's a roughly head sized lump of meat that's able to render all of your senses plus thoughts plus pilot a complex meat mech and all it costs is some food.
You'd need to find someone much smarter than I to answer the "how", but I'm happy to make some stuff up as to a possible "why". I apologize in advance because I'm going to be making this up as I go along, so I'm sure it'll be pretty incoherent. Anyway... The reason it made me think of the Lava lamp wall is because it's a great example of the limitations of deterministic/engineered systems. In the Matrix universe, the machines would still suffer from those same limitations (though the role of quantum computing could throw a wrinkle in there). That is, any development they make is constrained by their current state so they'd ultimately hit an "evolutionary" wall. By running endless permutations of some algorithm on an imperfect biological machine, maybe they could come up with some new insight/solution. It's kind of the opposite of how ML works now. That is, ML works through convergent "thinking" wherein each permutation tries to get closer to a proper representation of a known end-state (i.e., perfectly predicting some outcome). The same type of process done on a biological system could end up allowing for divergent "thinking" to allow some algorithm to "evolve" in completely unpredictable ways that could end up able to accomplish some entirely new task that the machines could have never even considered. An even more mundane possibility is based on the fact that a system cannot error check itself. So, if the machines want to push a software update, they apply it to the biological system first as part of the QA process. Anyone who has ever done software dev will tell you that humans have a preternatural ability to find the tiniest flaws in your logic and holes in your error handling. In that case, Neo is just the last step in their code review... Which, as I just realized, is actually pretty close to what the architect says at the end of the second movie. ...well, after reading what I typed, that's all pretty stupid. But, I think I gave myself carpal tunnel from typing all that on my phone and I can't bring myself to just delete it. So, yea... Sorry for the blather. TL;DR: Save yourself the 2 minutes and just move on to the next comment.
TL;DR Jenkins is people.
If you could make a few key advances in quantum computing and neural brain mapping it's way more possible to use the collective unconscious as a distributed computing system. The laws of physics pretty much rule out using us as batteries unless the machines were INSANELY efficient at capturing every Joule of energy from body heat, vibrations, etc. Our bodies are endothermic and consume more energy than they generate.
lightning eel duh, mages already had that element on their spells
Oh these were the dicks that had power. I thought it was just a legend
Thunderdixks?
⚡️⚡️𓂸⚡️⚡️
Thor’s weiner
Mjolnib?
underrated comment
*dicks of power that's what they called em
3 dicks for the elves, wisest and fairest of all creatures, 7 dicks for the dwarves in their halls of stone, and 9 dicks for the nine kings of men who, above all else, deserves power
*balls of stone
*and my axe
And each one received a gold encrusted cock ring attatched
Shock eel O’neals
Underrated post
Why is this not showered with gifts?
Almost spilled my tea laughing to this
r/wizardposting
Turns out casting lightning spells back in the day was just a bunch of old fishermen screaming chants while simultaneously hyucking bio-electrically spicy water snakes
There is actually an old rain spell where you basically pour a bucket of water and yell at the sky that See, It's Not That Hard
r/wizardposting is leeking
Naw, they called them "ouchie water snakes"
More importantly, how do we use CRISPR technology to make electric humans?
In old Mexico they were called; Ala Verga
In Germany they are called "Zitteraal" \~ tremble eel.
this sounds like a fucckin pokemon
Tremblele I choose you!
*Trembeel
That just makes it sound too much like the original words. Keeping the l from tremble and spacing the two e at the end makes it sound and look more unique while keeping the same general name and meaning.
Yeah but the second option is easier to pronounce when read for the first time and it rolls off the tongue easier
You mean like Talonflame?
Explain Slowpoke
Ekans lol
Seel. Fucking *seel*.
You should see the German Pokemon names. They're fantastic.
Zitteraal sounds like medication you give to a hyperactive child.
And sidderaal in Dutch.
Dutch is such a legendary language and that says a swiss person.
I totally agree. We feel insecure because our "ch" isn't as soft as the German's, but the Dutch proudly go all out on it
It just seems as the dutch just were extreme dust germans who lisped aswell. Sorry for that comparison but i really like your country and your sea. I have been there some years ago with a church group from my region was a really nice experience. And as a funfact we swiss people seem to get a hang of it what you try to say my brither whuch mist have been 12 or 10 were chilling with a dutch girl in our vacation in Turkey and they could comunicate so it seems to work out.
Something about "zitter" really captures the feeling of a moderate electric shock
And "Darrål" in Swedish, same thing.
Ow Eels.
the german term is „Zitter-Aal“ which means tremble-eel, so a timeless description of what happens when u touch them
I think this is the reason why many think the long german words are complicated, but it is just chaining words together.
Exactly. Just take a noun and add a bunch of descriptors in front of it. If we did it in English it would be like: Airplane= MetalFlyingPeopleMachine
r/beatmetoit
r/beatmeattoit
Acoustic eels
This made me giggle
That was excellent.
This made me laugh, I just want you to know that.
Best response
Motherfuckers
#confirmed
"...and then, one o' them motherfukers knocked him on his ass!" Legit texts from back in the day (it was a Tuesday).
I think they are called “eel”s cuz that’s the sound man made when he first touched them.
They're eeleectric.
In case you didn't know, most eels aren't electric. They are just like long wriggly fish. And their babies are called elver, which are delicious. Mmmm, eelbabies
Indigenous people in Venezuela called it arimna, or “something that deprives you of motion.” Early European naturalists referred to it as the “numb-eel.”
Spicy Eels
Zappy boys
Ah, just like my favourite drink: spicy water. *takes big sip of HCL*
Water vibrators
Please do not the eel
>invented ffs
Benjamin Franklin didn't invent electricity, I did! Benjamin Franklin is the devil!!
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Risky click
What is it?
It's a very good click, go for it 🙏
Bhenchod, it downloaded a file in my phone... I thought, OP put virus in my mobile It is just a pdf on electrici eel
Lol I went through the exact same thoughts as you when I clicked on it.
Imagine what if , comment op have renamed the file as "Resident Virus"
This is the equivalent of trusting a homeless person that says "open your hand so I can give you something"
Electricity was discovered not invented.
Tell that to JeZeus! 🙏 ⚡️
I pretict J'zeus to be a name of some celebrity kid in the near future
I had to go *way* too far down for this.
Zap noodle
Lightening Devils lmfao
They obviously didn't exist before electricity was invented. They were just eels at that point.
I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who taught them how to zap their prey.
Pretty sure originally they were called “OW! WHAT THE FUCK?” But I’m no historian
Zeus noodle.
Ancient Egyptian texts dating from 2750 BC referred to these fish as the "Thunderer of the Nile", and described them as the "protectors" of all other fish. Aphra Behn (1640–1689) in her novel Oroonoko (1688) described the electric eel as a “numb eel,” introducing the creature to European readers.
The bringers of pain or pain snake lol
Shocky long bois?
Indigenous people in South America had many names for them, but in English they were sometimes referred to as the “torporific eel” both before and after the 1760s, when several European and North American scientists independently discovered their electrical abilities. The American-born plantation doctor Edward Bancroft conducted experiments in Dutch Demerara (in modern Guyana) which disproved the prevailing view that the ‘shock’ they delivered was just an incredibly strong and imperceptibly fast physical blow. Bancroft did this by paying Indigenous people to hold hands while one of them touched the eel, and by molesting the fish with a range of metal and wooden implements which showed that only electrically conductive materials transferred the shock. About 15 years later Bancroft ended up as the personal secretary of Benjamin Franklin (who had conducted his own experiments with electricity), spying for him in Paris while also being paid by the British to act as a double agent
electric eels were discovered at a later time than electricity I believe...
Electricity wasn't invented it was discovered. It's a natural phenomenon - as shown by the electric eel
Shockingly no one knows.
Ouchnoodles
Ancient Egyptian texts dating from 2750 BC referred to these fish as the "Thunderer of the Nile", and described them as the "protectors" of all other fish. Aphra Behn (1640–1689) in her novel Oroonoko (1688) described the electric eel as a “numb eel,” introducing the creature to European readers.
Angry shock ropes
In Egypt they were called Thunderer of the Nile. It was also known as numb eel
those little shocky fuckers
"future electric eels" ofc
The native people of Brazil call it "poraquê", a word from the Tupi language that means "what makes you sleep" or "what numbs"
Eels.
Danger Noodles
Electricity wasn’t invented, this pisses me off lol. Neither was fire…electricity runs through our bodies. We’re merely playing with another form of energy…
Thors cocks!… 🤔
Shock-eel -O- Neal
Nah bro zappy worms, or "ouch fuck"
Thunder Eel.
Danger noodles
Ouchie worm boy
Acustic eels
Thunderbolt eels
Spicy noodles.
Zappity zapfish
Zapfish.
Electricity wasn't invented it was discovered like fire. Earliest cases go back over two thousand years with static electricity.
OwwHATTHEFUCKWASTHAT eels
Tricky Dicks
Buzzies
thunder eels
They were called that noise you make when you get home electricuted. Something like, “eeeehhhhkkkkkkgggggughhh”.
In India we call it behn ka bijli wala loda
Electricity has always existed. In lightening, for example, or eels. Nobody invented it. It was just studied and harnessed eventually, by humans. That said, I don't know what electric eels were called before.
Prob not discovered until after electricity was invented
The forbidden hand puppet
Spicy eel
Lightning Dicks
Ouchsnake
Hurty fish.
a nuisance 💀
Ouchie water snakes?
Spicy Water Sneeks
Spicy eels
Ouch noodles
Eel because they probably haven't discovered it yet.
According to my wife, buzzy noodles...
Spicy eels
Tho to be fair electricity wasn’t invented; it was captured
Acoustic eels.
When it was discovered in 1766, it was originally named *Gymnotus electricus*. I flunked Latin, so someone else can do that part.
The anwer is that people didn't invent electricity
The pedant in me wants to correct this. Electricity was identified and named, not invented.
SPICY EEELS
Sizzle snakes or in some regions WaWa worms
In Canada, they just call it ham.
A nope rope
They were discovered by Europeans in the 1740s. Electricity was known by then.
Still electric eels. Electricity was actually named after the eels.
Early European naturalists referred to it as the “numb-eel". But I had to google that. I had no idea.
Zueshi. They shock using their Thorsal fins.
Knife fish
Spicy noodles
Spicy eels
They were called steam eels because they were steam powered
Electricity as a phenomenon was already used way before the birth of christ. Yes, what that actually meant was only really discovered in the 18 hundreds
Wizard eel
Eels
Eel of the dark arts
Just so you know I invented electricity they just discovered it later and refuse to give me credit.
Thunder noodles
Steam powered eels
Stingy long fish
Gasoline Eels
Electricity wasn’t invented it was discovered, how to generate, store and use electricity was invented
Zappy snakes
Slimy shock snakes
Electricity was discovered, not invented. Over 2000 years ago, around 550 BC, the Greek mathematician and philosopher Thales of Miletus discovered the electrical charge of particles. When rubbing amber, he discovered that it can attract such small particles
Sparky sparky boom snakes
Slimey spice worms
Zappy dildos
The eels were discovered around 1740, named the electric eel in 1766. While electricity was discovered in 1752 the word had been in use since around 1600AD.
Therapy eels
Eeels