Bae and ollie both collab with the bros fairly often though. There's a big difference between asking those two to collab with the bros than asking like, fauna, who clearly isn't personally interested.
Just respect talents own preferences, it's not that hard.
"Collab fairly often" might be too far but she at least acknowledges their existence. She was in the Stars watchalong and she talked about Flayon and their 3D like a stream ago.
Yes but men bad so REEEEEEEE
This subreddit is 4chan levels of holostars hate and is a perfect example of who really took such big offenses to situations like Kronii collabing with men
> This subreddit is 4chan levels of holostars hate and is a perfect example of who really took such big offenses to situations like Kronii collabing with men
No its not and you're fucking delusional if you think its anywhere close
They're out of pocket, but I already called 'em on it. I understand there's a lot of bad blood, but no one benefits from starting a slap fight. Let's just enjoy the evening, Gura's birthday festivities are still going on after all!
Most people don't care about holostars. Nor do they pretend to care about them. Your echo chamber isn't the reality, behave like a sub-human outside and you will be labled as such.
It is astonishing how a vocal minority like yours has deluded yourself into thinking your mental illness helps your talents.
You're really not helping things by starting fights here. Please lay down your pitchforks and stop giving the antis what they want. If you insist on stoking the drama, then you only out yourself as an anti.
I am not going to let these people come in here for the millionth time and shit this place up.
Maybe you should have done something sooner when dozens of users here told these people to stop.
"Antis" what a fucking joke, you don't listen when people say a problem is brewing then go full damage control when you realise what sort of rot you have contributed to. Hope it works though, this sub might die for it but it certainly isn't going to effect holos in any way.
I'm doing something now, but I'm not a mod and this isn't on me. You can help me by trying not to escalate this further. If someone attacks you, then I will defend you, but right now you're the one who's escalating things and that is not acceptable behavior.
Be that as it may, we're keeping things cool tonight. Giving that a try for a change. HaLire has already been called on their bad behavior twice here, we don't gotta keep punching. Go enjoy the Gura live instead, it's a real nice vibe!
Different OP. Also, all the people pictured here seem at least pretty cool with each other, so it's not like any harm or disruption is being caused here. Can you find it in your heart to forgive a fellow holofan for being a bit over-eager?
I find it counterproductive, it's just talents collabing. Why so hyper fixated to buy bots to boost it so much like some world tour event. Not like it have any effect on people ever deciding to tune in or stay for the talents later, haven't worked for a few years now with these kind of posts.
Who are fans already decided to watch regardless of these posts, it's just wasted money and unnecessary drama.
Oh we're both in full agreement that the botters suck. They're really just trying to start drama, and it's exactly that drama that I'm trying to get ahead of. The person I was replying to didn't even mention the bots.
Just to clarify, because there are layers to this: As far as I'm concerned there's nothing wrong with the actual contents of this post. "Collab-begging" is a time honored tradition on this sub and these talents have all shown genuine interest in each other, so it's really no more harmful than the well received posts saying Gura and Biboo should collab over their love of DMC. This post is very close in content, however, to a post from earlier today, so I do think there's an argument to be made that this is a repost and breaks Rule 5, though it's hard to say if it's intentional or an honest mistake. The post is being used as a warzone between downvote bots and upvote bots, both of which are unacceptable, though no one has claimed responsibility for the botting so any perceived motive is simply speculation. People attacking other fans and trying to start a fight here are only encouraging the botters, because in lieu of a stated motive it is fairly reasonable to operate under the assumption that making us fight each other is the motive. So I'm trying to get ahead of overly combative comments in hopes of maybe denying the botters the satisfaction of getting what they want. Trying to curb the unnecessary drama that they seem to want to cause.
as star fan i agree. keep the sub clean shouldn't be fan job. if there is mods and we can trust that they will take action when bad actor come to stir drama then this will be just a normal post.
Everyone can kind of guess the motive behind these kind of posts. It is not something new so don't speak too coy about it. We all know that one side seems to be happily playing along with it and encourage it even though they know it is botted. But not denouncing it and use the fact to throw shade at the talents and fanbase, I've seen it, it's not subtle. It is easy to put one and one together. Do act so that we can disprove of our suspicion if you really do have some goodwill.
The most bad faith about them is, when they say their posts are getting downvote bottet, but everyone can see that those posts are in the low double digit downvotes.
It is clear that those are individual and real downvotes, but they act as if it is their right to bot thousands of upvotes, because their content is disliked.
I don't know if they genuinely belive that, but by the way they are behaving themselves it probably is just another bad faith tactic in order to gaslight this sub into believing in their "righteous" cause.
That is exactly the reason why I am denouncing it, but in an ideal world people should be able to just like what they like without having to first proclaim that they denounce botting. Now I'm not doubting that the botter might be blending into the crowd and pretending to be a fan. They could also just be popping in and trying to get fights going. They aren't telling us, and that's the thing we know.
I'm not doubting that Stars fans have motive, everyone knows that they're not happy with the state of affairs; would you be if you got attacked every time you made your preferences known? At the same time, since it's obvious to everyone, it's also obvious to any anti who might want to use that to stir some shit. It really obfuscates who we should defend, and who we should attack, so here's my proposal:
If someone is a genuine fan of the girls and doesn't like or care about the boys, they are part of the community and we should defend them as long as they aren't causing trouble. If someone is a genuine fan of the boys and doesn't like or care about the girls, they are part of the community and we should defend them as long as they aren't causing trouble. If someone likes both, they are part of the community and we should defend them as long as they aren't causing trouble. But if someone seems to insist on breaking rules, starting fights, and causing trouble, then they are an anti and should be treated as such.
All this said, it does seem to have come to light that, at the very least, OP has knowingly reposted content in violation of Rule 5, so in a fair world the mods would kill this topic.
My condolence to true starmin. That's all. There will be reaction to any action, you can't stop it. Especially against the larger part of the fanbase. If it's what some star fan trying to push thinking it will help, they are in for some disappointment. If it's anti trying to push Holostar down, I think they have succeeded.
I don't think fighting here is a wise idea, you might need to reflect inward from the Holostar fanbase.
[link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/s/lpeFbprgp0)
For example.
See what I mean, the mindset of some folks are really skewed. And it will be met with pushback, obviously.
Yeah its rather obvious that whoever is getting paid at cover to monitor this subreddit at the moment isnt doing very much if they cant even enforce their own rules.
Its almost like some holostars fans are also hololive fans and just want to see their favorite boys and girls collab. Though some are way overeager about it.
Wait i dont get that logic. A holostars subreddit talks about said holostars and then a post about collabs with the girls is discussing...well collabs with thr girls.
Whats wild about that? It doesnt exactly cancel out the part where they can be fans of the girls aswell. Itd not like both cant be right
The issue isn't talking about the collab, it's that holostars circles end up saying really weird (often outright misogynistic stuff) about the girls and will act really weird about the girls doing collabs, and only ever seem to talk about the girls within the context of collabs. That tells me (and most people) that they don't actually like the girls, they just like being able to use them for collabs.
I feel like thats just weird reaching and confirmation bias with a touch of broad strokes but sure, there probably are weirdos like that just like for any other weirdo category
Not a reach. Just look how badly burned Mori and kronii became to the point that both of them doesn't event want to communicate with stars unless it's done professionally. I haven't even seen those two talk to Tempus VG and Armis.
Probably not, but to be fair to OP, that post is quite far down in New and they probably just didn't notice it. I'm willing to chalk it up to an honest oversight.
Well seems they [were well aware it was a repost](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1dkp4hl/this_is_some_cultural_crosspollination_an/l9jo1gv/).
> You actually think the OP is begging over fucking Hair Color?! Chill out.
That's not what I'm pointing out. I'm wondering why we need the same post again when the first one flopped yet the second one is clearly being botted since it was only at [83 upvotes when I initially clicked on it.](https://i.imgur.com/TQ4W3dm.png)
Now now, I agree with the sentiment that we shouldn't be attacking each other, but the commentor was just drawing attention to the fact that this has already been posted before, which is against the rules even if it was done by accident and they have every right to point it out.
You may be right, but in light of the fact that bad actors are really trying to get a rise out of people right now, I think it's best to stay polite until someone decides to show their true colors. Let them be the ones to escalate, if they intend to do so.
I'd like for them to at least acknowledge the issue.
I don't know what they could actually do to fix it, but just a simple statement regarding this would give me some hope.
Since it is still relevant:
Hey everyone you can report botting directly to reddit using this report form under other issue and vote manipulation:
[https://www.reddit.com/report/](https://www.reddit.com/report/)
I long for the times when people could just be normal about Stars posts and not have... Whatever the fuck is going on in the comment section right now.
Having said that, friendly reminder to all the overeager and self-proclaimed Stars fans who see this to please be normal around Elizabeth, and try not to scare her off by trying to pressure her into a Stars Collab before she even debuts.
Interacting on Twitter and actually collabing are two different things, and just because someone is cool interacting on SNS, doesn't necessarily mean they're up for a Collab, because there are a lot of factors that go into collabs such as time zones, game interests, availability, and just general readiness in dealing with the scrutiny cross company collabs bring.
I can't believe I have to say that, but I've already seen some people being a bit weird, so I really hope it can be reeled in before it results in one of the talents getting harassed.
This subreddit used to be Hololive only, with occasional posts from JP Collabs with starsJP while StarsJP has its own subreddit with their own community and posts.
With the increasing number of talents, and Cover's wish of expanding globally, there is a need to segregate both communities or it will become bloated. The same goes for HoloEN twitter. Just have Stars use the old Holoproen twitter so that both sides only watch what they want to watch and not be forced into it.
Honestly, I have no idea what's happening in the comments section either. I upvoted the post genuinely thinking there was no malice behind it such as being rigged by bots because Reddit notified me of the post (which is how I think, from experience, lots of people upvoted this post)... So, does that make me a bot?(joke) Is it not possible to acknowledge that this post simply may or may not be a hit post the OP has?
(Edit: and dang reddit being weird on me with this double comment bug)
No, just quick math. The average upvotes on popular post is around 3-4k. Majority of the community don’t like collab beggars and stars fans not using their own subreddit, so even casual fans would downvote it since it is off topic. You can figure out the rest with the difference between the votes needed.
"collab begging" is for example when a viewer keeps sending multiple messages in the live chat asking the talent to do a stream with someone else, or asking when they'll collab together and stuff like that. It's directed at the streamer.
_some_ individuals here, however, like to throw it around as a buzzword whenever a female talent and a male talent are mentioned or drawn together.
It's not your ESL, dont worry!
Thank you!! Somehow throwing in a screenshot of a tweet in this subreddit *suggesting* a collab (especially a mixed collab) somehow gets fingers pointing at it claiming it to be "collab begging." *That* is not collab begging
thanks for the explanation! i thought it meant something else.
i started watching Holo for a month before Myth was announced, and for quite some time i understood "collab begging" exactly as you explained it. i figured Reddit has a "different" definition and that seems to be the case.
i think i got the explanation from Kiara waaay back then since i watched her the most from Myth.
So this is today booted post and report on top of that? Well as always, not even going to pretend be surprised anymore. I guess OP is really happy abusing it to get visibility.
Saddly it will once again only rail people up against holostars like it always do. mhe happen what i happen i don't fucking care anymore, thing that need to burn will burn one day or another and as that point let it burn sooner than latter.
It's exciting times right? A new generation is debuting soon. I hope everyone has fun and continues to support their oshis(possibly new ones too). Also, if you really feel like it you can buy merch, superchat, membership, maybe even fan letters too if they still allow that. Even watching a stream or VOD is plenty of support to Hololive Production talents.
You know what doesn't support the talents? Buying updoot internet points on a social media site. Be supportive, watch who you want to watch. Gura is having a lovely 3D stream right now. I'm having a nice time watching.✌️
Heyo! just came back from Gura live, it was so good btw. Interesting post here. I guess many are emotionally invested in seeing these colab to the point of buy bots to boost it. But be sure to also tune in and support them outside of these colab, and support the talents where it is actually financially matter for them. Y'know, merch, sc, etc...
And you'll likely be chosen to be upvoted for visibility, should it follow the pattern. Enjoy your points I guess.
I'm here to remind you (and by you, I mean anyone who reads this and wants to post an angry comment) that, for Liz's sake, and for the sake of every genuine fan who's trying to have a good time, we oughtta keep the comments civil and not start a flame war in here. I will reiterate that botting is not cool, but clearly the botter is no friend of either the girls or the boys. Let's look after our own and not stop others from having a good time
Hey! I made a risky bet, by commenting on a post full with people that would most likely disagree with me, I deserve those points. I'm not saying anything against anyone, no need to lecture me or anyone else. I'm just sick and tired of this part of the fandom that thinks that only being interested on the girls is such a heinous crime and the people that allowed them to grow inside their ranks.
Oh don't worry, I'm not calling you out specifically. You're just calling it like you see it, and for all I know you've had some bad run-ins with a disgruntled Stars fan in the past. If anyone tries to insult or berate you for what you like, I'll be here to call them out on it too. I'll just ask that you kindly try not to think ill of everyone who likes the boys because of a few bad apples. The bad blood runs deep, I know, but we're gonna try mending some fences this time for a change.
I'll see you in the Gura live later!
To be completely fair to them, these things can get pretty heated and redditors are known to take some cheap shots in a fit of anger, so I don't doubt them when they say they've seen some shit. That said, most people just want to like what they like and not get shit on for it, which isn't an unreasonable ask. Let's all just keep in mind that the extremes are not representative of the greater fanbase, whether they like the girls, the guys, or both.
I’ve been around here for a long while, so I know how people can be. But I’m just saying I’ve never seen anyone be attacked for “just liking the girls only”. Because… that’s literally the norm.
It seems more often to me Stars fans try to post or comment about the boys, and get shit on for it. And then they speak up and say something like “give them a chance” or, yknow, the thing about not being scared to see your oshi interact with a man.
And then people like above take great offense and think their “girls only” preference is being attacked, when more often than not they are the aggressors in the situation.
Trust me, I've been on the end receiving end of some shit myself, so I know how it is. The problem is, so do the antis, and they know it's a great way to get us to fight amongst ourselves. All of us are susceptible to narratives, even the most well meaning and levelheaded of us, you and me included. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that someone is simply misinformed or reflecting a bad experience; the real bad actors will out themselves if we let them. And if someone is trying to start something, then at least I haven't given them the satisfaction of hitting back at them.
It's kinda fun to make random comments with certain keywords that are either for or against the bots, then watch the number drastically change all day.
I know right? But on the bright side, with all the bots going every which way, karma no longer really means anything at all here. Everyone is right, everyone is wrong, and every comment needs to be clicked before you can read it. Does the community like your comment? Who can say?
I'm really just going on a case by case basis with folks now and trying to keep things calm. Maybe it's tide pissing, but if the mods won't step up then someone's gotta do it.
> I will reiterate that botting is not cool, but clearly the botter is no friend of either the girls or the boys.
lol yeah, hope that botter enjoyed that -10 something in that one comment of mine talking about Jurard. It really had a significant dent on my day-to-day reddit routine that I don't even know what it was about anymore (except knowing that it was about Jurard) lol
It does suck that it happened. I'm doing my best to help control the fire but at the end of the day I'm not a mod. I'm just another fan like anyone else, one who sees that this community is under attack and wants to do my part to protect the genuine fans. But since this attack is characterized by provocation and misinformation, it needs to be handled with care and patience, else we give the antis what they want; drama.
The first one did get botted from what I can see, it was just only the downvotes and not the upvotes. Unacceptable either way, but I don't think rooting for this chaos to show up and ruin everyone's fun is really the right tack to take here.
Because everyting about this shit is stupid. So the faster people beat this horse to death the faster people stop giving shit about it. Well if they want to still beat this dead horse how many times they like is up to them, i don't care anyway and i will make fun of it in every way i can. People can only give a shit about this topic for so long
Well at least it seems we can both agree that this needs to die, but adding fuel to the fire isn't the way to do that. Just go enjoy the things you do like.
Collab begging is pathetic. Instead of letting the new girl establish her own fanbase and persona, while the collab ban lasts, you are already begging and making this all about you.
"I don't care what the streamer wants, I want this collab now!"
The talents can decide for themselves when and with whom they collab. Elisabeth has shown signs, she might be willing to collab with HoloStars int he future. Everyone can have their own thoughts about that, but collab begging is frowned upon for a reason.
Also can't you just accept it, when a post dies in new? Every subreddit has a different audience and likes and no post has a divine right to rise to top of hot and this subreddit didn't like this post the first time it was posted and judging by the non botted comments it doesn't like it now. Stop botting, this is real anti behaviour.
We just want some respect for our hobby!
[Original Tweet](https://x.com/Kronii_virus/status/1803795721935585760?t=hEeOHVT8LK2QReTLYaeAVQ&s=19)
Edit: Also ERB is growing on me, I didn't know she was such a Holostar Fangirl 🤝
I hope you people realise nobody is going to watch your boiz if you bot reddit updoots. It's the most useless metric in existence.
Try using that money on their streams maybe it will help with their algo. To whoever is doing it.
The botters are not fans of anyone here. Any real fan already knows what you're saying is true. We're gonna try to keep things civil tonight instead of attacking each other for a change, botters be damned! Let's not give em what they want this time!
Call me crazy, but is the idea that Stars posts are attracting Stars fans really that absurd?
That said, I'm not going to deny that the botter or botters might be one or some of them. And if that's the case, I still stand by my statement that they aren't real fans. If they were, they'd know that what they're doing is causing way more harm than any hypothetical advantage, and they've been doing it so long without owning up to it that it's reasonable to conclude that the harm is the point. Even if they started as well intentioned, they've passed the point of no return.
Majority of them are shitting on the Hololive fanbase in their own subreddit, it's pretty clear that the 'stars fans' this post attracted aren't here in good faith.
okbh has kinda devolved from "the spicy shitpost sub" to "a haven for antis", as spinoff subs like that are wont to do, and I wouldn't be shocked if antis congregate openly in the stars sub either. Really, we need some actual moderation that can identify and actually do something about bad faith posters, in both this sub and the stars sub since those are both official. Who knows, if they could actually clean this place up maybe the talents would show up in here more often?
That said, if no one actually provokes or starts a fight, then the antis don't really get anything out of it. Simply posting a topic and making positive comments on it does not actually hurt anything, but then come the bots, followed by the fights, and then... well here we are.
You'll see them post a topic and make positive comments here and one click later you'll see them shitting on the Hololive fanbase. It's really that easy to see the facade.
Well there's a guy down thread who did just that, unfortunately I've been too distracted to get them myself. Thankfully, a bunch of other helpful regulars already got them. I'm trying to be even handed here but I'm just one guy. We need real mods handle this.
I'm not in the habit of playing guilt by association. Genuine antis exist everywhere, in the both the boys and the girls fanbase, so if I follow your advice then I might as stop playing defense entirely and let the antis win. So I'm gonna operate on a basis of innocent until proven guilty, and I'll call out bad behavior when I see it.
The people who bot are actually anti's who are using stars to pit fans against each other. Their MO has moved from "Stars needs the support" to "stars fans are OKBH and need to bot". Don't fall for it and keep an eye out for suspicious messages.
It ain't Holostars fans that bot for visibility or something. It's antis that bot, upvotes and downvotes, on any post that includes Holostars. You can look at all those stars posts with their upvote vs downvote percentage being below 90%, usually between 70% and 85%. Whereas usually posts on here have 95-99% upvotes.
I can almost guarantee you that the real botters are holo antis and guys like you are falling for their trap every single time by responding like this.
I am having a hard time believing it's not the same group of people who have been shitting up this subreddit for 2 years by trying to force their boiz on le reddit unicorns.
You know what sort of shit you have done here, keep ignoring the "fans" in your community and it will only get worse then it already is.
And you're not helping by spreading narratives and picking fights. We get through this by protecting our own, and it's looking an awful lot like you're not one of us...
By doing what you're doing, you are only making yourself look bad and you are giving anti's more fuel to perpetuate the narrative that fans of the girls are all "raging incel unicorns". If you don't consider yourself an anti, then de-escalate yourself and stop giving them fuel. If you don't then you will have made it apparent to anyone who's looking that you're part of the problem.
The world is NOT ready for the level of chaos that would originate from this stream.
Like... Bae. Chaos, the End of Ends, a Steel rose in a Cage of Ice is NEITHER the most chaotic or the most chuuni member of this collar.
There was a similar pretty funny tweet about this something like:
"Redhead collab would be too dangerous for this world"
"A Brittish, an Indonesian, a Filipino, an Australian, and Machina X Flayon"
"Oh dear god not Machina X Flayon"
I kinda wish Elizabeth had kept her holostars affiliation on the down low until debut, rather than have her stance on it be one of the first things fans know about her before even hearing her voice. Just look at all the bait posts it’s caused. Inviting controversy before even debuting.
Having said that, it is best to get this thing out in the open early so fans know what to expect.
Leech!!!
But seriously I feel bad for the Stars talents, just because they have smaller audience and make less revenue than Holo talents they will forever seen as deadweight
I just hope that whoever they are in Hololivepro can achieve their dream as Idol be it girls, boys, cats, dogs
As long they are passionate about being hololive talents I can't hate them for doing what they love
Ollie, her daughter, her son, her husband(?), and her new wife
I heard another child is on the way
JURARD STOP GETTING PREGNANT
BANCHOU'S PREGNANT AGAIN?!
When was he NOT pregnant?
There is not other way to populate his species.
Nana was *very* thorough.
Life... finds a way
It all went downhill after he lost that wrestling match huh
Those fossil stones are working overtime
SOMEBODY STOP THIS MAN, HE'S MALEWIFING TOO HARD
Jurard's really embracing the Pinoy stereotype lmao
Tell Ollie to stop invading his womb
To reference another franchise: "Leave it to Uncle Rex."
Jurard is her wife
Do we need [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1dkfj81/red_head_collab_when/) again?
Guess that mean they are raiding this thread again
if the first collab begging post doesn't work then try, try again
Bae and ollie both collab with the bros fairly often though. There's a big difference between asking those two to collab with the bros than asking like, fauna, who clearly isn't personally interested. Just respect talents own preferences, it's not that hard.
Bae has only collabed with StarsEN once since Vesper/Magni graduated, as far as I'm aware Bae and Jurard's interactions have only been a few tweets.
Bae and Bettel watched Barbie together in his memberships so they’ve technically collabed?
"Collab fairly often" might be too far but she at least acknowledges their existence. She was in the Stars watchalong and she talked about Flayon and their 3D like a stream ago.
Yes but men bad so REEEEEEEE This subreddit is 4chan levels of holostars hate and is a perfect example of who really took such big offenses to situations like Kronii collabing with men
Bruh if this is 4chan racist jokes will be trow around like hot potato
> This subreddit is 4chan levels of holostars hate and is a perfect example of who really took such big offenses to situations like Kronii collabing with men No its not and you're fucking delusional if you think its anywhere close
They're out of pocket, but I already called 'em on it. I understand there's a lot of bad blood, but no one benefits from starting a slap fight. Let's just enjoy the evening, Gura's birthday festivities are still going on after all!
Go back to okbh and cry about it.
Most people don't care about holostars. Nor do they pretend to care about them. Your echo chamber isn't the reality, behave like a sub-human outside and you will be labled as such. It is astonishing how a vocal minority like yours has deluded yourself into thinking your mental illness helps your talents.
You're really not helping things by starting fights here. Please lay down your pitchforks and stop giving the antis what they want. If you insist on stoking the drama, then you only out yourself as an anti.
I am not going to let these people come in here for the millionth time and shit this place up. Maybe you should have done something sooner when dozens of users here told these people to stop. "Antis" what a fucking joke, you don't listen when people say a problem is brewing then go full damage control when you realise what sort of rot you have contributed to. Hope it works though, this sub might die for it but it certainly isn't going to effect holos in any way.
I'm doing something now, but I'm not a mod and this isn't on me. You can help me by trying not to escalate this further. If someone attacks you, then I will defend you, but right now you're the one who's escalating things and that is not acceptable behavior.
Cool, let's see then. Time will tell
Be that as it may, we're keeping things cool tonight. Giving that a try for a change. HaLire has already been called on their bad behavior twice here, we don't gotta keep punching. Go enjoy the Gura live instead, it's a real nice vibe!
Different OP. Also, all the people pictured here seem at least pretty cool with each other, so it's not like any harm or disruption is being caused here. Can you find it in your heart to forgive a fellow holofan for being a bit over-eager?
I find it counterproductive, it's just talents collabing. Why so hyper fixated to buy bots to boost it so much like some world tour event. Not like it have any effect on people ever deciding to tune in or stay for the talents later, haven't worked for a few years now with these kind of posts. Who are fans already decided to watch regardless of these posts, it's just wasted money and unnecessary drama.
Oh we're both in full agreement that the botters suck. They're really just trying to start drama, and it's exactly that drama that I'm trying to get ahead of. The person I was replying to didn't even mention the bots. Just to clarify, because there are layers to this: As far as I'm concerned there's nothing wrong with the actual contents of this post. "Collab-begging" is a time honored tradition on this sub and these talents have all shown genuine interest in each other, so it's really no more harmful than the well received posts saying Gura and Biboo should collab over their love of DMC. This post is very close in content, however, to a post from earlier today, so I do think there's an argument to be made that this is a repost and breaks Rule 5, though it's hard to say if it's intentional or an honest mistake. The post is being used as a warzone between downvote bots and upvote bots, both of which are unacceptable, though no one has claimed responsibility for the botting so any perceived motive is simply speculation. People attacking other fans and trying to start a fight here are only encouraging the botters, because in lieu of a stated motive it is fairly reasonable to operate under the assumption that making us fight each other is the motive. So I'm trying to get ahead of overly combative comments in hopes of maybe denying the botters the satisfaction of getting what they want. Trying to curb the unnecessary drama that they seem to want to cause.
We need mods. It's that simple.
as star fan i agree. keep the sub clean shouldn't be fan job. if there is mods and we can trust that they will take action when bad actor come to stir drama then this will be just a normal post.
Everyone can kind of guess the motive behind these kind of posts. It is not something new so don't speak too coy about it. We all know that one side seems to be happily playing along with it and encourage it even though they know it is botted. But not denouncing it and use the fact to throw shade at the talents and fanbase, I've seen it, it's not subtle. It is easy to put one and one together. Do act so that we can disprove of our suspicion if you really do have some goodwill.
The most bad faith about them is, when they say their posts are getting downvote bottet, but everyone can see that those posts are in the low double digit downvotes. It is clear that those are individual and real downvotes, but they act as if it is their right to bot thousands of upvotes, because their content is disliked. I don't know if they genuinely belive that, but by the way they are behaving themselves it probably is just another bad faith tactic in order to gaslight this sub into believing in their "righteous" cause.
Don't hesitate to speak out, don't let the bad narrative run rampant and spoil the fanbase.
That is exactly the reason why I am denouncing it, but in an ideal world people should be able to just like what they like without having to first proclaim that they denounce botting. Now I'm not doubting that the botter might be blending into the crowd and pretending to be a fan. They could also just be popping in and trying to get fights going. They aren't telling us, and that's the thing we know. I'm not doubting that Stars fans have motive, everyone knows that they're not happy with the state of affairs; would you be if you got attacked every time you made your preferences known? At the same time, since it's obvious to everyone, it's also obvious to any anti who might want to use that to stir some shit. It really obfuscates who we should defend, and who we should attack, so here's my proposal: If someone is a genuine fan of the girls and doesn't like or care about the boys, they are part of the community and we should defend them as long as they aren't causing trouble. If someone is a genuine fan of the boys and doesn't like or care about the girls, they are part of the community and we should defend them as long as they aren't causing trouble. If someone likes both, they are part of the community and we should defend them as long as they aren't causing trouble. But if someone seems to insist on breaking rules, starting fights, and causing trouble, then they are an anti and should be treated as such. All this said, it does seem to have come to light that, at the very least, OP has knowingly reposted content in violation of Rule 5, so in a fair world the mods would kill this topic.
It's not one large community, it's 2-3 different ones that are forced to share a single space.
My condolence to true starmin. That's all. There will be reaction to any action, you can't stop it. Especially against the larger part of the fanbase. If it's what some star fan trying to push thinking it will help, they are in for some disappointment. If it's anti trying to push Holostar down, I think they have succeeded.
Yeah, well winning or not, I refuse to give ground to an anti without a fight.
I don't think fighting here is a wise idea, you might need to reflect inward from the Holostar fanbase. [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/s/lpeFbprgp0) For example. See what I mean, the mindset of some folks are really skewed. And it will be met with pushback, obviously.
So breaking rule 5?
Yeah its rather obvious that whoever is getting paid at cover to monitor this subreddit at the moment isnt doing very much if they cant even enforce their own rules.
Yeah. It's worth calling it what it is, so as not to muddy the issue. That doesn't benefit anyone.
You can tell that someone is a holostars fan because they can't stop talking about Hololive.
Its almost like some holostars fans are also hololive fans and just want to see their favorite boys and girls collab. Though some are way overeager about it.
No bullshit. We all see how they talk in their own subs and how they only really talk about the girls for a collab.
Wait i dont get that logic. A holostars subreddit talks about said holostars and then a post about collabs with the girls is discussing...well collabs with thr girls. Whats wild about that? It doesnt exactly cancel out the part where they can be fans of the girls aswell. Itd not like both cant be right
The issue isn't talking about the collab, it's that holostars circles end up saying really weird (often outright misogynistic stuff) about the girls and will act really weird about the girls doing collabs, and only ever seem to talk about the girls within the context of collabs. That tells me (and most people) that they don't actually like the girls, they just like being able to use them for collabs.
I feel like thats just weird reaching and confirmation bias with a touch of broad strokes but sure, there probably are weirdos like that just like for any other weirdo category
When we're talking about people that make posts on reddit, that's almost exclusively who we're talking about.
Not a reach. Just look how badly burned Mori and kronii became to the point that both of them doesn't event want to communicate with stars unless it's done professionally. I haven't even seen those two talk to Tempus VG and Armis.
Probably not, but to be fair to OP, that post is quite far down in New and they probably just didn't notice it. I'm willing to chalk it up to an honest oversight.
Well seems they [were well aware it was a repost](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1dkp4hl/this_is_some_cultural_crosspollination_an/l9jo1gv/).
Agreed. I made this comment while they still had some benefit of the doubt, but it does seem they knowingly broke Rule 5.
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> You actually think the OP is begging over fucking Hair Color?! Chill out. That's not what I'm pointing out. I'm wondering why we need the same post again when the first one flopped yet the second one is clearly being botted since it was only at [83 upvotes when I initially clicked on it.](https://i.imgur.com/TQ4W3dm.png)
Now now, I agree with the sentiment that we shouldn't be attacking each other, but the commentor was just drawing attention to the fact that this has already been posted before, which is against the rules even if it was done by accident and they have every right to point it out.
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You may be right, but in light of the fact that bad actors are really trying to get a rise out of people right now, I think it's best to stay polite until someone decides to show their true colors. Let them be the ones to escalate, if they intend to do so.
Can we PLEASE get some actual moderation in this sub?
What do you want them to moderate exactly? Removing this repost? Moderation can't do anything about up/downvotes by site design.
I'd like for them to at least acknowledge the issue. I don't know what they could actually do to fix it, but just a simple statement regarding this would give me some hope.
Since it is still relevant: Hey everyone you can report botting directly to reddit using this report form under other issue and vote manipulation: [https://www.reddit.com/report/](https://www.reddit.com/report/)
I long for the times when people could just be normal about Stars posts and not have... Whatever the fuck is going on in the comment section right now. Having said that, friendly reminder to all the overeager and self-proclaimed Stars fans who see this to please be normal around Elizabeth, and try not to scare her off by trying to pressure her into a Stars Collab before she even debuts. Interacting on Twitter and actually collabing are two different things, and just because someone is cool interacting on SNS, doesn't necessarily mean they're up for a Collab, because there are a lot of factors that go into collabs such as time zones, game interests, availability, and just general readiness in dealing with the scrutiny cross company collabs bring. I can't believe I have to say that, but I've already seen some people being a bit weird, so I really hope it can be reeled in before it results in one of the talents getting harassed.
This subreddit used to be Hololive only, with occasional posts from JP Collabs with starsJP while StarsJP has its own subreddit with their own community and posts. With the increasing number of talents, and Cover's wish of expanding globally, there is a need to segregate both communities or it will become bloated. The same goes for HoloEN twitter. Just have Stars use the old Holoproen twitter so that both sides only watch what they want to watch and not be forced into it.
Honestly, I have no idea what's happening in the comments section either. I upvoted the post genuinely thinking there was no malice behind it such as being rigged by bots because Reddit notified me of the post (which is how I think, from experience, lots of people upvoted this post)... So, does that make me a bot?(joke) Is it not possible to acknowledge that this post simply may or may not be a hit post the OP has? (Edit: and dang reddit being weird on me with this double comment bug)
And the botted post today is...
What a crazy amount of bots. Probably over 10k upvotes. Like stop it. Botting only makes people hate stars. I guess this is what they wanted?
If there were 10k upvotes, then the downvotes would also have to be botted.....
No, just quick math. The average upvotes on popular post is around 3-4k. Majority of the community don’t like collab beggars and stars fans not using their own subreddit, so even casual fans would downvote it since it is off topic. You can figure out the rest with the difference between the votes needed.
Does this count as Collab begging?
Yes, but that's hardly surprising at this point.
i'm now honestly curious as to how "collab begging" is defined as there is clearly no begging involved. or maybe i'm too ESL to understand it.
You are.
thanks for the explanation. i now understand that some people do love being a dick about it.
"collab begging" is for example when a viewer keeps sending multiple messages in the live chat asking the talent to do a stream with someone else, or asking when they'll collab together and stuff like that. It's directed at the streamer. _some_ individuals here, however, like to throw it around as a buzzword whenever a female talent and a male talent are mentioned or drawn together. It's not your ESL, dont worry!
Thank you!! Somehow throwing in a screenshot of a tweet in this subreddit *suggesting* a collab (especially a mixed collab) somehow gets fingers pointing at it claiming it to be "collab begging." *That* is not collab begging
thanks for the explanation! i thought it meant something else. i started watching Holo for a month before Myth was announced, and for quite some time i understood "collab begging" exactly as you explained it. i figured Reddit has a "different" definition and that seems to be the case. i think i got the explanation from Kiara waaay back then since i watched her the most from Myth.
I don't see anything here that says "OH THEY SHOULD TOTALLY COLLBA WITH-" it's more like "AYO looks at this cool pair lol"
So this is today booted post and report on top of that? Well as always, not even going to pretend be surprised anymore. I guess OP is really happy abusing it to get visibility. Saddly it will once again only rail people up against holostars like it always do. mhe happen what i happen i don't fucking care anymore, thing that need to burn will burn one day or another and as that point let it burn sooner than latter.
It's exciting times right? A new generation is debuting soon. I hope everyone has fun and continues to support their oshis(possibly new ones too). Also, if you really feel like it you can buy merch, superchat, membership, maybe even fan letters too if they still allow that. Even watching a stream or VOD is plenty of support to Hololive Production talents. You know what doesn't support the talents? Buying updoot internet points on a social media site. Be supportive, watch who you want to watch. Gura is having a lovely 3D stream right now. I'm having a nice time watching.✌️
Why would this be a good collab? Seems like a fairly random selection, one of whom hasn't even debuted yet
Red people.
Why are you taking it so seriously? They’re all red. Doesn’t need to be anything else beyond that lmao
I was team blue, but red has potential.
I don't think our eardrums would survive
The tinnitus would be worth it
who win team red or team blue
Well it's not about wins. But who is the [most fashionable faction.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1IE9zLKBrw)
Yea no bottling problem in stars posts lol, really its probably just 3 overt losers
Heyo! just came back from Gura live, it was so good btw. Interesting post here. I guess many are emotionally invested in seeing these colab to the point of buy bots to boost it. But be sure to also tune in and support them outside of these colab, and support the talents where it is actually financially matter for them. Y'know, merch, sc, etc...
gross
Wonder if this post is the chosen one by the bots this day, I'll bet it is.
And you'll likely be chosen to be upvoted for visibility, should it follow the pattern. Enjoy your points I guess. I'm here to remind you (and by you, I mean anyone who reads this and wants to post an angry comment) that, for Liz's sake, and for the sake of every genuine fan who's trying to have a good time, we oughtta keep the comments civil and not start a flame war in here. I will reiterate that botting is not cool, but clearly the botter is no friend of either the girls or the boys. Let's look after our own and not stop others from having a good time
Thank you for spending energy spreading awareness like this. It helps.
Always has been. Enjoy the Girls, Enjoy the Boys and don't give a crap about the things that are going to happen in the comment section.
Hey! I made a risky bet, by commenting on a post full with people that would most likely disagree with me, I deserve those points. I'm not saying anything against anyone, no need to lecture me or anyone else. I'm just sick and tired of this part of the fandom that thinks that only being interested on the girls is such a heinous crime and the people that allowed them to grow inside their ranks.
Oh don't worry, I'm not calling you out specifically. You're just calling it like you see it, and for all I know you've had some bad run-ins with a disgruntled Stars fan in the past. If anyone tries to insult or berate you for what you like, I'll be here to call them out on it too. I'll just ask that you kindly try not to think ill of everyone who likes the boys because of a few bad apples. The bad blood runs deep, I know, but we're gonna try mending some fences this time for a change. I'll see you in the Gura live later!
>only being interested on the girls is such a heinous crime No one thinks this.
To be completely fair to them, these things can get pretty heated and redditors are known to take some cheap shots in a fit of anger, so I don't doubt them when they say they've seen some shit. That said, most people just want to like what they like and not get shit on for it, which isn't an unreasonable ask. Let's all just keep in mind that the extremes are not representative of the greater fanbase, whether they like the girls, the guys, or both.
I’ve been around here for a long while, so I know how people can be. But I’m just saying I’ve never seen anyone be attacked for “just liking the girls only”. Because… that’s literally the norm. It seems more often to me Stars fans try to post or comment about the boys, and get shit on for it. And then they speak up and say something like “give them a chance” or, yknow, the thing about not being scared to see your oshi interact with a man. And then people like above take great offense and think their “girls only” preference is being attacked, when more often than not they are the aggressors in the situation.
Just look at the other subreddits.
i have
Trust me, I've been on the end receiving end of some shit myself, so I know how it is. The problem is, so do the antis, and they know it's a great way to get us to fight amongst ourselves. All of us are susceptible to narratives, even the most well meaning and levelheaded of us, you and me included. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that someone is simply misinformed or reflecting a bad experience; the real bad actors will out themselves if we let them. And if someone is trying to start something, then at least I haven't given them the satisfaction of hitting back at them.
It's kinda fun to make random comments with certain keywords that are either for or against the bots, then watch the number drastically change all day.
I know right? But on the bright side, with all the bots going every which way, karma no longer really means anything at all here. Everyone is right, everyone is wrong, and every comment needs to be clicked before you can read it. Does the community like your comment? Who can say? I'm really just going on a case by case basis with folks now and trying to keep things calm. Maybe it's tide pissing, but if the mods won't step up then someone's gotta do it.
> I will reiterate that botting is not cool, but clearly the botter is no friend of either the girls or the boys. lol yeah, hope that botter enjoyed that -10 something in that one comment of mine talking about Jurard. It really had a significant dent on my day-to-day reddit routine that I don't even know what it was about anymore (except knowing that it was about Jurard) lol
It does suck that it happened. I'm doing my best to help control the fire but at the end of the day I'm not a mod. I'm just another fan like anyone else, one who sees that this community is under attack and wants to do my part to protect the genuine fans. But since this attack is characterized by provocation and misinformation, it needs to be handled with care and patience, else we give the antis what they want; drama.
Im mad because the first one did not get botted, i even comment and heat popcorn for it. But this one is
The first one did get botted from what I can see, it was just only the downvotes and not the upvotes. Unacceptable either way, but I don't think rooting for this chaos to show up and ruin everyone's fun is really the right tack to take here.
Because everyting about this shit is stupid. So the faster people beat this horse to death the faster people stop giving shit about it. Well if they want to still beat this dead horse how many times they like is up to them, i don't care anyway and i will make fun of it in every way i can. People can only give a shit about this topic for so long
Well at least it seems we can both agree that this needs to die, but adding fuel to the fire isn't the way to do that. Just go enjoy the things you do like.
I saw that this virus account stole the image from someone else so that person is probably angrier than you.
Collab begging is pathetic. Instead of letting the new girl establish her own fanbase and persona, while the collab ban lasts, you are already begging and making this all about you. "I don't care what the streamer wants, I want this collab now!" The talents can decide for themselves when and with whom they collab. Elisabeth has shown signs, she might be willing to collab with HoloStars int he future. Everyone can have their own thoughts about that, but collab begging is frowned upon for a reason. Also can't you just accept it, when a post dies in new? Every subreddit has a different audience and likes and no post has a divine right to rise to top of hot and this subreddit didn't like this post the first time it was posted and judging by the non botted comments it doesn't like it now. Stop botting, this is real anti behaviour. We just want some respect for our hobby!
[Original Tweet](https://x.com/Kronii_virus/status/1803795721935585760?t=hEeOHVT8LK2QReTLYaeAVQ&s=19) Edit: Also ERB is growing on me, I didn't know she was such a Holostar Fangirl 🤝
I automatically forgot about Elizabeth n read ERB as epic rap battles of history
##WHO WINS ##YOU DECIDE
can we get a fanmade ERB for hololive
HoloRed
I hope you people realise nobody is going to watch your boiz if you bot reddit updoots. It's the most useless metric in existence. Try using that money on their streams maybe it will help with their algo. To whoever is doing it.
The botters are not fans of anyone here. Any real fan already knows what you're saying is true. We're gonna try to keep things civil tonight instead of attacking each other for a change, botters be damned! Let's not give em what they want this time!
So it's just a massive coincidence that these botted posts contain many of the people frequenting the stars and buddy subs?
Call me crazy, but is the idea that Stars posts are attracting Stars fans really that absurd? That said, I'm not going to deny that the botter or botters might be one or some of them. And if that's the case, I still stand by my statement that they aren't real fans. If they were, they'd know that what they're doing is causing way more harm than any hypothetical advantage, and they've been doing it so long without owning up to it that it's reasonable to conclude that the harm is the point. Even if they started as well intentioned, they've passed the point of no return.
Majority of them are shitting on the Hololive fanbase in their own subreddit, it's pretty clear that the 'stars fans' this post attracted aren't here in good faith.
okbh has kinda devolved from "the spicy shitpost sub" to "a haven for antis", as spinoff subs like that are wont to do, and I wouldn't be shocked if antis congregate openly in the stars sub either. Really, we need some actual moderation that can identify and actually do something about bad faith posters, in both this sub and the stars sub since those are both official. Who knows, if they could actually clean this place up maybe the talents would show up in here more often? That said, if no one actually provokes or starts a fight, then the antis don't really get anything out of it. Simply posting a topic and making positive comments on it does not actually hurt anything, but then come the bots, followed by the fights, and then... well here we are.
You'll see them post a topic and make positive comments here and one click later you'll see them shitting on the Hololive fanbase. It's really that easy to see the facade.
Well there's a guy down thread who did just that, unfortunately I've been too distracted to get them myself. Thankfully, a bunch of other helpful regulars already got them. I'm trying to be even handed here but I'm just one guy. We need real mods handle this.
Here's a tip for you, don't play defense for the people whose made and laid on a bed with genuine antis.
I'm not in the habit of playing guilt by association. Genuine antis exist everywhere, in the both the boys and the girls fanbase, so if I follow your advice then I might as stop playing defense entirely and let the antis win. So I'm gonna operate on a basis of innocent until proven guilty, and I'll call out bad behavior when I see it.
You're asking for too much, these are the people who say loud and proud that they don't watch streams.
Well whatever, can't keep addressing schizos forever.
Supporting the bois by buying merch, sending sc or membership? Nah im good Botting reddit post about the bois? Yabadabadooooooooo
The botters are not fans, of the boys or the girls. You on the other hand are not looking too good by cheering it on.
Youre fighting a pointless battle sadly. Modt here and elsewhere are too keen on black and white paintings.
The worst of us know what hurts us, and the internet is where nuance goes to die. If I’m doomed to fail though, at least I won’t go down quietly.
The people who bot are actually anti's who are using stars to pit fans against each other. Their MO has moved from "Stars needs the support" to "stars fans are OKBH and need to bot". Don't fall for it and keep an eye out for suspicious messages.
It ain't Holostars fans that bot for visibility or something. It's antis that bot, upvotes and downvotes, on any post that includes Holostars. You can look at all those stars posts with their upvote vs downvote percentage being below 90%, usually between 70% and 85%. Whereas usually posts on here have 95-99% upvotes.
I can almost guarantee you that the real botters are holo antis and guys like you are falling for their trap every single time by responding like this.
I am having a hard time believing it's not the same group of people who have been shitting up this subreddit for 2 years by trying to force their boiz on le reddit unicorns. You know what sort of shit you have done here, keep ignoring the "fans" in your community and it will only get worse then it already is.
And you're not helping by spreading narratives and picking fights. We get through this by protecting our own, and it's looking an awful lot like you're not one of us...
>one of us Have been saying this shit for 2 years. I certainly am not "one of you" if you keep deflecting responsibility from the stars "fanbase".
By doing what you're doing, you are only making yourself look bad and you are giving anti's more fuel to perpetuate the narrative that fans of the girls are all "raging incel unicorns". If you don't consider yourself an anti, then de-escalate yourself and stop giving them fuel. If you don't then you will have made it apparent to anyone who's looking that you're part of the problem.
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new power rangers team, but they just all different shades of red
The world is NOT ready for the level of chaos that would originate from this stream. Like... Bae. Chaos, the End of Ends, a Steel rose in a Cage of Ice is NEITHER the most chaotic or the most chuuni member of this collar.
I can't hear them through the screen. I used to but now, I can't.
Turn the volume up mate
WHAT?
The Red team vs Blue team
I NEED IT HOLORED
There was a similar pretty funny tweet about this something like: "Redhead collab would be too dangerous for this world" "A Brittish, an Indonesian, a Filipino, an Australian, and Machina X Flayon" "Oh dear god not Machina X Flayon"
HoloRED
Call them Carnage cause they're gonna be painting the town red
Wow this sub is a mess
Oh. A Phase fan which appears exactly the same way as the previously botted Phase Connect post. Interesting.
Ethnical diversity, chromatic uniformity.
And they all said Ow in their own dialect
Yes, boys and girls together again 😏 Edit: Yeah come and get me unicorns, throw at me all the parasocialism nonsense that you want.
I kinda wish Elizabeth had kept her holostars affiliation on the down low until debut, rather than have her stance on it be one of the first things fans know about her before even hearing her voice. Just look at all the bait posts it’s caused. Inviting controversy before even debuting. Having said that, it is best to get this thing out in the open early so fans know what to expect.
Like a family of redhead
Leech!!! But seriously I feel bad for the Stars talents, just because they have smaller audience and make less revenue than Holo talents they will forever seen as deadweight I just hope that whoever they are in Hololivepro can achieve their dream as Idol be it girls, boys, cats, dogs As long they are passionate about being hololive talents I can't hate them for doing what they love
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nah she doesn't collab with stars (which is fine) this group would be fire tho 🔥
Holo Red
HoloRedHeads, here we come!
I taught this is a family photo.
The Red Headed League has branches all over the world