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Hopefully we get more break efficiency buffers to replace RM. Whether its gonna be better than her I don't care. I just don't want to be stuck playing HMC+RM everytime I play break teams ðŸ˜
The main problem is Firefly is already super easy to make teams with no sustainer. So releasing another RM, would broke her and this team. And I suspect they want to sell the new healer over a harmony now.
Yeah that’s the thing people don’t get. Any future break support isn’t replacing RM or HMC, they are replacing Gallagher. I know a lot of people were saying they would power creep HMC first since they are free but if they release another super break enabler in the future and they let that characters super break stack with other sources you would just run both
i think they probably make premium hmc in future tho mc will have many path in future but u can use only one of them i dont see why they wont make a new super break enabler.
They seem to have each TB path have a gimmick unique to them. Destruction Trailblazer is still the only Destruction character with a single use ult that you can choose to be single target or aoe (Firefly’s is a transformation so I don’t count it), Preservation Trailblazer is still the only Preservation character with a real taunt (Boothill and Yunli have taunts but they aren’t Preservation characters) and now Harmony Trailblazer has team wide super break. I can see them making a character in the future that gives ONE team mate super break on skill instead of ult at like 250% or something ridiculous but if it can stack with other super break sources you would just run both on a Firefly team and see some real funny numbers
I think the difference is that the other gimmicks TB has aren't ones you build entire teams and characters around.
If they want to release more superbreak oriented characters, they kinda need more superbreak enablers because atp if you have Boothill or FF you don't need any more break characters because of the limited support characters are taken.
So did you miss the end of my comment that said I can see them making a character that can give one teammate super break? I believe team wide super break will always be unique to HMC
The thing is those super break multipliers stacks. So in the scenario they release a identical MC kit (not even better) Firefly team would double the damage with both in the same team, not only Firefly, HMC too and the new character.
Yeah, I see people predict HMC to be replaced by an upgraded version. But because SB stacks, if the new character's SB is as good as HMC's, they'll replace RM before replacing HMC.
The solution is easy, just give the new healer a break efficiency buff. Huohuo gives energy and ATK, Aventurine gives CRT DMG and Fu Xuan gives CRT rate so it wouldn't be the first time a sustain give offensive buff
more BE eff buffers for sure, maybe a 4\* version that just give the break effect buffs without the rest of the buffs RM provides.
Though I hope they add a cap to BE eff or something, otherwise too much eff would make Breaking bars too easily, leading to buffing the enemy toughness more, making non break DPS a hell to ever break as collateral
I will use Firefly, Harmony Trailblazer, Hunt March and Gallagher on a team, I have a Ruan Mei but she is tied to my DoT team (plus I would imagine Firefly would not get along with Ruan Mei) so March will be a substitute
was really hoping to see showcases of march making HTB master for the weakness break effeciency boost but at least we are finally seeing different teams
Ye you can't really slot in March in ideal FF team without making it comparatively less well-bound
Though I do wish we had a showcase of her as a substitute stand-in for Ruan Mei in FF's team. It's a shame no one has done that so far.
That's what I was referring to. March 7th with Firefly and Ruan Mei with Boothill.
I've been on that train ever since her kit was leaked.
Especially since she can break her master's weakness, so paired with FF she can break fire weak enemies, so with FF she's guaranteed able to break alongside her master.
March 7th only makes one followup attack for each of her turns, so having Firefly as master doesn't necessarily mean more followups than having Gallagher as master.
Yea, but it should still be better than pela or asta for those without her or needing to split her between boothill and FF, those without her being the focusÂ
Can you explain why HTB would be the better master?
Considering the enemies are already weakness broken thanks to FF + RM, more break efficiency is pointless, so why not make FF the master since she has more actions therefore more Super break FU attack from March?
Super break scales off of break efficiency as well
Why do you think RM is so good in super break and a psuedo irreplaceable piece in it? Because she buffs Break efficiency by 50%
That shit is crazy good
My bad; I assumed RM is so good due to the other buffs— breaking the enemy a lot quicker as well as prolonging the break recovery
not the break efficiency making SBE that much stronger
the way you need to see it is, that march special attack would deal twice as much toughness dmg if Hmc was the master; ff to even reach that amount would need to give HMarch twice as many stacks compared to making HMC the master, and she doesnt do that
on that note, usually things die after firefly goes, so making htb master would make march help more with thoughness break and deal more dmg outside of ff turns
Its not like you get that much extra with 15%, and if you are playing with ruan mei you get 160 just with 150 speed for example, more super breaks, more ultimates(plus if watchmaker) and else
Yeah, I don't get why comments like that get so upvoted.
Speed breakpoints heavily influence your clear times.....and is especially true for Break teams where all you care about is Break Effect and taking extra turns to actually use that Break Effect.
Man, all of March's damage is just in the EBA. No wonder crit performs better than Super Break, you can scale a lot higher with crit on the EBA than with Super Break.
Didn't realize March doesn't build stacks when using ult but she seemed to always have ult in time for her EBA which is really good.
I think is still too soon to say as the gameplay wasn't optimized for a Superbreak march. The master skill should have been use on Ruan Mei or HTB as this will increase march's break efficiency and increase her Superbreak damage. The lightcone march is using is the herta SU lightcone which doesn't buff break effect ( to be fair I think only boothill LC gives break effect for hunt ). Also Ruan Mei's relic was not fully spec into break effect for the team.
Overall the team composition looks like the leaker is trying to see a half build crit/cdmg and half break effect march does. Not really a full on break effect march showcase. Hopefully we start seeing more showcases for march with more optimised team composition in the future.🤞
Thing is, Firefly acts like twice as fast as Ruan Mei and HTB with the 100% AA and being like 210 SPD. All of March's damage is in the EBA so she'll do a lot more damage by optimizing for that than just increasing the basic's super break damage.
You could make Gallagher with multiplication her master, but that would make her toughness damage fire in that case.
She doesn't get her +100% break efficiency buff if she makes Firefly her Master though, which is the entire point of using her in a break team.
So Firefly needs to act more than "like" twice as fast as HTB. She needs to act more than twice as fast, because she needs to be literally doubling March's turn count just to get to the same break damage that March would be doing by making one of the other units her Master.
it's mathematically impossible for doubling eba generation to be less damage than doubling the break efficiency, because her eba does damage outside of super break.
youre kinda right because ff only makes up minimum 2/3rds of march' FUA generation, the last third (or less) is march herself, but still think the increased frequency of ebas is stronger than the increased damage.
You also have to account for the loss of break efficiency (and therefore break damage) on March's normal basic attacks (and maybe FUAs - I'm not clear if the break efficiency bonus applies to her FUAs; I suspect not, but I wouldn't 100% trust the beta wording) which may make up for the loss of conventional damage from the extra EBAs, given that this is a team that's set up for break damage and not for conventional damage.
But probably the simpler way to look at it is that this setup is essentially just running a break-geared crit DPS in a Firefly team. If that works, then it should also work for any of the more powerful 5\* limited crit DPS too, and that would probably be stronger than March, as much as I love her (albeit you'd have to element match, whereas March gets to piggyback off Firefly, so there's that).
That's assuming all of March's damage is super break damage, but it isn't. The bars need to be broken first and a crit build does damage in both states. So no, you don't even need to act twice as fast to make crit worth it. But firefly acting a lot does help.
It's in fact better to do this intentionally, as you'd much rather have crit build March focus on breaking toughness so that firefly can do more super break instead.
So you have firefly acting probably about 50% more than it , which is significantly ebas than using this on htb. Firefly gets speed and BE buff (once she's E6 in the future), and March gets a bonus to her damage that helps the crit build. So using it on Firefly is almost certainly better, and using a crit build is also probably better. March will still do break damage (it scales linear with BE, and she will have BE buffed in this team which is to say you'll see perceived diminishing returns in the casual way it's used to describe linear gains reduced relative gain), whereas building break damage doesn't allow her to do any pre break damage, and this damage can scale exponentially with crit.
Tldr, master firefly, build crit, use march to target enemy bars whenever possible.
that’s kinda counterproductive, if your worry is the damage you’re dealing when enemies aren’t broken in a firefly team, it’s better to ensure march helps break the bar as fast as possible than to improve the damage she deals outside of broken state
But her EBA has a higher toughness reduction right? Correct me if I'm wrong. So is still possible with a more optimised team, you can make march spec into Superbreak fully and she will be better or on par with a crit/cdmg march?
On par for sure, but I'm don't think she'll be better. You're basically comparing a 240 toughness damage multiplier vs 1080% multiplier. I think in this team in particular, you can still do decent Super Break damage without fully speccing into it but if you fully spec in Super Break, you dumpster her regular EBA damage.
It might be better in this team to go for a full crit build on march, and make Firefly master. A crit build on March does a good amount of damage with EBA and even with a lesser BE she'll still have the BE from HTB and the toughness damage from her EBA to make some use of Super Break.
However, I would like to see a team of Firefly, HTB, hyperspeed Gallagher, and March 7th making Gallagher the master with March in a full BE build. It wouldn't be as good as a team with RM, but I think it would be important to know if March can be a usable RM substitute.
It reduces the toughness of fire and img weak enemies yeah. But if M7 is the one who breaks, it would still be Imaginary break + imprisonment rather than also adding fire break + burn
No way you’re proposing that they put Boothill’s light cone on her smh. You think everyone has it or sum? Best for us is a f2p showcase so we can learn the base strength, this video was great
Which is why I said to be fair. Didn't say it was optimal for a F2P....
Even I don't have boothill lightcone. Just wanted to see what happens if you go all in on break effect to see her full potential.
This is a misleading showcase because the leaker made Firefly the master.
If he had either RM or HMC the master March's super break damage would have doubled.
What do you think about Boothill / Hunt March / Pela / Sustain? I need a team for Boothill but HMC and RM are stuck with FF. It seems like Boothill can benefit a lot from March's buffs. He would love the 10% speed, 36% BE, and even the 60% CD isn't useless on him. Also, Boothill is normally built with high speed (180+ speed with March buff and 18% from S5 Adversarial LC) so March can build stacks fast for her Enhanced Basic.
Thanks for the showcase OP, this was actually pretty fascinating to see.
Despite the amount of people getting lost in the napkin math sauce over which build is inherently superior, I get the feeling the new March is gonna be really fun to experiment new or alt team comps with thanks to her versatility, as content like MoC and such continues to evolve in the future.
I actually had my suspicions about this team comp because I knew something in March’s kit only works once every turn and it looks like it’s her fua. Otherwise, her stacks work exactly as I’d hope on someone as fast as FF.
I mean, let's be honest. The place where Jiaoqiu really shines is in Acheron teams. In other comps he can be good, but not great. And this team has FF, HTB and RM, a VERY meta combination right now. March is like the cherry on top. This team is already broken without her.
yeah like, it would've cleared fast probably without march too. did we already just forget that firefly is insanely good as a unit ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜? march helps ofc but in most cases if you have this team with Gallagher instead of her it would still be crazy
It goes to show how insanely broken FF is with her BiS supports. One of them is free btw lol.
The thing is: replacing Jiaoqiu for Ruan Mei (or whoever) in this DoT team makes this stage's clear faster? If so, then Jiaoqiu is just not the best option. If not, then it's not about Jiaoqiu, but FF superbreak team broken-ness.
Also, like 3 turns in MoC is great for the majority of people. I don't really understand why people say it's a bad thing. The 0 cycle meta talk is exhausting imo.
i think people say like it bad cause how high the cost of the team is since that is 6 limited 5 star character and 4 limited 5 star lc. but i think jq should be better than ruanmei in dot team if the dmg vulnerable affect the dot dmg.
But that's the thing. It's not necessarily that Jiaoqiu is bad (he does need buffs). It's that a very invested DoT team does not compare to a E0S0 FF superbreak team. That's where the problem lies. Jiaoqiu is not supposed to rise DoT to FF levels: the whole DoT team cannot compete to the E0S0 FF team. The bad thing is the powercreep.
It isn't all terrible for them. As a unique archetype they'll still get random PF/MoC (maybe even AS in the future) buffs that'll incentivize their usage.
Compare that to traditional crit DPS characters that get left behind. Many of them straight up don't really have a gimmick that'll specifically buff them for a cycle or two.
DoT teams are fine. They aren't on Firefly level, but no one is, they are probably one of the most resilient meta teams because they work well for all the hard content, can work against multiple elemental weaknesses, and none of the bosses can hard counter them yet. For a team that is arguably one of the least supported playstyles, they could be a lot worse.
> but i think jq should be better than ruanmei in dot team if the dmg vulnerable affect the dot dmg.
No, because RM is giving a ton of buffs the damage vulnerability isn't as big as you think it is. DoT already has plenty of sources of vulnerability (Kafka E1, Gui, Black Swan Ultimate) so JQ isn't giving that much boost for them. His ultimate just also isn't that great for DoTs, because the vulnerability there affects ult damage which DoT teams don't care much about. He isn't useless, and if you were already pulling him for Acheron he can work there, but he isn't giving much value to DoT teams by himself especially compared to RM or Robin.
But that's not necessarily Jiaoqiu's fault (he does need buffs though). The problem lies in a very invested DoT team not being able to compare to a E0S0 FF superbreak team. It's not Jiaoqiu's role to rise DoT to FF levels: the whole DoT team couldn't compete with the E0S0 FF team. The problem here is the powercreep.
Having Firefly too, I don't know but I'm sure as hello going to try it if only to expand my Break DPS support options. Both wanting Ruan Mei now is tough. But I feel like she's probably going to be better on the Firefly team since HMC is there, on Boothill she's just going to contribute to toughness damage without SuperBreak. Unless..crit March making a support a master? (edit: nvm, I forgot she needs to make Boothill the master if she were to help in Physical toughness damage)
Actually in this team seems more worth it making a support the master for more toughness damage and superbreak, hopefully someone tries this team but gallagher instead or Ruan mei and make him the master with multiplication lc, so it's almost a mono fire with imaginary
The thing with the 2 new break dps is, their best teammates are all set. RM, HMC, Bronya and Gallagher, pick the ones you have, no new character in sight can replace them.
Huh, no Watchmaker 4pc on Ruan Mei or HMC. Edit: HMC probably should have been the master as well for the weakness break boost.Â
I feel like she’s better with a traditional crit build, but it’s still nice to see other teams.
Kinda useless showcase since making firefly the master doesn't do much.
Would love to see a superbreak team with hmc/mei/Gallagher with march making Gallagher her master.
Okay, I love how this team works, and it's funny how many SP are not used.
Maybe one day they will make some LC/Planar/Set that wants to remain in so much SP unused for whatever reason.
That's the team I plan to use. Not pulling firefly. and unless your builds are good enough to go sustain less or you simply don't have Ruan Mei I'm not sure that March could find a place on the firefly team. Even then Gallagher is so good in the comp that going sustain less has little benefit.
it just shows that you don't really need sustain for break team and if Gallagher had 0 heals, he would still be good.
I am really curious what Lingsha brings to the table. Hopefully it is just about summons and something new.
Jiaoqiu is essentially a dedicated support for Acheron, he sucks everywhere else and is basically just a side grade to Pela which for a 5 star is awful.
However for Acheron he's insane since he just batteries her super fast, he's basically the sparkle to Dan IL
There's a bunch here and also on YouTube, not sure which would be best to send so you can search depending on what characters and lcs you have to see performance assuming you have acheron
Ok thank you. I do have acheron but I've trouble with her team....pela is e0 n lc is s2. Acheron herself has s1 GNSW. So if I get this right then I think I shud prioritise acheron lc over jiaoqiuÂ
I'm unsure of the power boost Jiaoqiu gives over lightcone, but since he will be out before Acheron rerun I would recommend going for Jiaoqiu to finish the team and then try to get Acheron lc, it'll prob be a full patch before it reruns so will depend on if you want anyone else before then
One of the main benefits Acherons lc gives is that it gives her an extra ult charge. Jiaoqiu has it so when an enemy takes a turn their debuffs is reapplied so that's charging it even more if there's a lot of fast enemies
Yeah but it isn't just about breaking. But also the 20% dmg res reduction or something inherent to the enemy element weakness. Unless that master thing with March also gives her dmg res reduction like SW's implant?
edit: I read her kit and it only gives her toughness reduction, so there IS a difference whether enemy is IMG weak or not
Good news, a [showcase](https://www.reddit.com/r/YunliMainsHSR/comments/1dmf4sr/yunli_m7_robin_hh_showcase/) with March and Yunli was posted in a Yunlimains subreddit earlier.
why did you build march for break but then make firefly the master? she's a destruction character. making a destruction character the master gives her more damage, she'd need to make ruan mei or htb the master, that gives her break efficiency. harmony, abundance, preservation or nihility gives break efficiency.
this showcase doesn't show us anything, so it's useless. you didn't show off superbreak march, you showed off crit march built for break.
**edit: it was pointed out that it's likely due to the number of actions firefly has, which is actually a fair point. so the showcase isn't useless, it does show us something.**
Shot in the dark but I’m guessing it’s bc of the # of actions FF takes. It gives her stacks faster for her enhanced basic. It’s why you’ll usually make Gal master if he’s on the team.Â
Honestly yes if you're going for SB M7. Firefly is the one to sub out. She can designate Master onto Gallagher with Multi and just go ham. 160 spd Gallagher with multi is around 200 spd, not too diff from FF's 210
The problem though... everyone is gonna be so sp positive so you're always gonna be at 5 sp. It's not inherently a bad thing but it feels like a waste having an abundance of sp with pretty much no one to use it aside from HMC
Right, but what about people that don't have firefly? Realistically the firefly team is set in stone, March isn't going to improve it. But how well a break march works as the lead DPS for people without firefly? That's something good to know.
Yes and no. It does not make sense to play a break team without a break DPS like Xuei, Boothill or FF. March is a sub-DPS who is a strong, but still a sub DPS who needs a good Master for her to buff. Bonus points if the Master can attack multiple times or fast. She is not main DPS material.
The problem is there's no room for sub DPS in break. It's X + TB + RM + Gallagher.
So people would like to see a run with march as "primary" DPS for the break team, rather than just someone saying she's sub DPS and not trying it. Realistically everyone does damage for the break team, so if March can break quickly, it might not be terrible. Obviously not BH/FF levels, but possibly an acceptable cycle clear.
I mean, there *is* room for Sub-DPS on Boothill, but the best one is basically Luka because of bleed procs and while I don't have a built Luka to properly test this, I believe Pela as a debuffer still outperforms Luka in a Boothill comp (and also a 4* so they're basically equally budget options).
Yup, or just dont use march for break team, im planning to use her in dual dps comp! She break a lot so she might help out a bunch of other dps in AS, either way, march really a spotlight for 2.4
Just pointing the options out. In a super break team with a sustain, either FF or RM is gonna be subbed out as HMC is irreplaceable and sustains are just versatile enough to fit any team. Obv Gallagher is BiS for break teams as a sustain but you can slot in someone else and still do well
Yup. That’s the March SBE team. She can do v heavy SBE damage there. If you want her with FF then I’ve heard of some people thinking abt using her as a ftp RM replacement. You’ll still throw the skill on Gal.Â
Firefly have way more SPD and triggers March 7th talent more often and her Ult faster than RM or HMC can.
In the above showcase Firefly attacked 11 times, triggering March Follow-ups 9 times, HMC only attacked 6 times, and RuanMei was CC'ed for most of the fight; so, by tuning with firefly, march triggered her talent at least 2 times more and get one extra Ult than tuning with HMC.
The other better option whould've be a speedy Gallagher, but then you need to get rid of RM, and maybe the OP didn't feel justified to lose 50% break efficiency plus buff to everyone to just double the break efficiency of March 7th.
Also, these showcase shows interaction and mechanic of new units that (even if still in beta) are important to people who decide how to build said characters; so I would not say that's is useless just because you suppose it's "wrong".
We want to get RM to see how well it performs with March as an alternative
One of the main questions people have is how good is march for a ruan mei substitute with her kit
U forgot march dont have implants so u basically just use her efficiently only at Fire or imaginary moc, ice dont count cause Mei barely breaking anything
You can, but I don't think I'll be able to enjoy a break team without a weakness implant now that I have Firefly \^\^
Also, I don't believe March will be able to compare to other breakers like Xueyi, expecially since we now got one for free with AS.
So, unless you really love M7 new outfit, one can say there area arguably better options. \^\^
Because it still shows animations, interactions with kit and comps that people may want to try or play. Considering the damage output it's not like the comp is broken.
I will add that I'm getting tired of people giving leakers attitude for not playing the way people want them to. This isn't something you're entitled to, nor is it something you can do. You don't have to like it, but you go out of your way to put a snarky reply to someone doing something for you cause you don't like it is pretty shitty behaviour. If you're so pressed, you can go do a showcase so that we can all see how well you do. Honestly, the entitlement people have on this sub can be far too much!
Thank you! Yeah some of these people in these leak subs ask way too much of someone that doesn't even have to show this to people so at the very least appreciate what you're seeing and show appreciation to these leakers showing us this stuff. When the chars are released you can go crazy with whatever team comp you want.
Exactly my point. People have to go through a lot of effort and put their neck on the line to even get us showcases and people talk to the people doing this like crap because it's not optimal or not what they want to see.
People don't have to do this so be courteous when they do. Confused as to why this is such a difficult concept to grasp but yet here we are.
Shes basically a subdps that is versatile. She technically is also a support though she doesn't actually provide much, more she supports herself. She works similar to Jade in that she selects a character to benefit/benefit from. But with March she has a lot of versatility to this depending on who she chooses to select. DPS path characters give her like a damage boost, while other paths give her increased break efficiency.
So she's gonna be good in break teams, and probably any team that's generally fast. Because of follow ups she can also work in FUA.
The way I see her is that for some team comps if your missing one of the premium characters for that comp, March will be a strong substitute.
Yeah she seems like a sub DPS version like jade but she is hunt instead. According to her kit right now she can be a sub DPS for crit/cdmg team or break effect team. Honestly, I'm quite excited for her kit, nice to see a support who can do both.
really wanna see a showcase w march replacing ruan mei with multiplication gallagher as the master since that’s probably what im going to run if i dont get her
I'd like to see hmc, March 7, FF and guinafen on a double Fire and imaginary team.
Gui with herta lightcone and breack build, make gui the master.
Should be interesting for non ruan mei users.
How you build March 7 Hunt btw?
I really like the new March simply because of how generic she is and how many "teams" she works in. SP positive DPS, propagation, elation (weakest of the bunch in her E2 but it's there) element copy + buffer. master of none but combined she does a lot of work. especially that E6 tbh.
So this shows us that March's follow-up attack triggers once for each of her turns, not the turns of the master, right? So that means as long as March is faster than her master she'll be pumping out more
Nice! My super break team will be Firefly, Harmony Trailblazer, Hunt March 7th and Gallagher, due to March's speed buff and because I need Ruan Mei for my DoT team.
I really hope the transition into Hunter Intuition was in game and not edited. I’ve been dying for unique boss themes to play in other modes that aren’t the story (and Apoc Shadow)
It simply doesn't, but you don't need an abundance/preservation unit if the enemies die quickly. You can easily run a sustainless team if you have enough raw power
I'd like to see super break variations using March's break efficiency enhancement instead if anything. Probably requires Gallagher as the target to get enough speed and attack instances if so though, in which case we're either skipping Ruan Mei or going without any other dps
very late and you might have found answers elsewhere by now but it seems pretty good: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC3IxJsWCdw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC3IxJsWCdw)
Id love if her eba didnt rely on type but rather the stats of the master. Like if they meet a crit req it gets those benefits and if they meet a be req she gets the other benefits (which maybe leaves her able to double dip on hybrids which I wouldn't mind).
It would certainly help her fit into more traditional dual dps teams.
On one hand, i doubt her normal eidolons stay because all versions have separate ones normally. But then I doubt it'll be summonable. The most likely is rewards from a questine line like the fyrestroll ghost place idr the name... although 6 eidolons there seem much, so maybe not all in one go
Has anyone done a FF/HMC/March/Gallagher comp showcase yet? I'm still coping I'll not be able to get RM and pondering if March would be better than Asta on my team.
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All this tells me is FF/RM/HTB is an insanely broken core and tbf RM/HTB is a broken core to begin with.
Hopefully we get more break efficiency buffers to replace RM. Whether its gonna be better than her I don't care. I just don't want to be stuck playing HMC+RM everytime I play break teams ðŸ˜
The main problem is Firefly is already super easy to make teams with no sustainer. So releasing another RM, would broke her and this team. And I suspect they want to sell the new healer over a harmony now.
Yeah that’s the thing people don’t get. Any future break support isn’t replacing RM or HMC, they are replacing Gallagher. I know a lot of people were saying they would power creep HMC first since they are free but if they release another super break enabler in the future and they let that characters super break stack with other sources you would just run both
i think they probably make premium hmc in future tho mc will have many path in future but u can use only one of them i dont see why they wont make a new super break enabler.
They seem to have each TB path have a gimmick unique to them. Destruction Trailblazer is still the only Destruction character with a single use ult that you can choose to be single target or aoe (Firefly’s is a transformation so I don’t count it), Preservation Trailblazer is still the only Preservation character with a real taunt (Boothill and Yunli have taunts but they aren’t Preservation characters) and now Harmony Trailblazer has team wide super break. I can see them making a character in the future that gives ONE team mate super break on skill instead of ult at like 250% or something ridiculous but if it can stack with other super break sources you would just run both on a Firefly team and see some real funny numbers
I think the difference is that the other gimmicks TB has aren't ones you build entire teams and characters around. If they want to release more superbreak oriented characters, they kinda need more superbreak enablers because atp if you have Boothill or FF you don't need any more break characters because of the limited support characters are taken.
So did you miss the end of my comment that said I can see them making a character that can give one teammate super break? I believe team wide super break will always be unique to HMC
Firefly ULT feels like I'm just playing Jingliu. Skill twice -> gain enhanced state + action advance.
The thing is those super break multipliers stacks. So in the scenario they release a identical MC kit (not even better) Firefly team would double the damage with both in the same team, not only Firefly, HMC too and the new character.
Yeah, I see people predict HMC to be replaced by an upgraded version. But because SB stacks, if the new character's SB is as good as HMC's, they'll replace RM before replacing HMC.
Also, a more cynical take. Having TB be part of the team makes more people pull and build for that team.
The solution is easy, just give the new healer a break efficiency buff. Huohuo gives energy and ATK, Aventurine gives CRT DMG and Fu Xuan gives CRT rate so it wouldn't be the first time a sustain give offensive buff
i don't care i just lost my ruan mei 50/50 and i need herðŸ˜ðŸ˜
Maybe make it so super break efficiency buffs from supports can't stack?
Yeah its about time. Its even a pain to have Boothill AND FF, they have to juggle their goddamn supports so much.
At least BH has Bronya for a BIS and the next slot can be someone like Pela or SW to reduce def a ton
For Boothill Bronya is better then HMC so HMC + RM core is only for super break
more BE eff buffers for sure, maybe a 4\* version that just give the break effect buffs without the rest of the buffs RM provides. Though I hope they add a cap to BE eff or something, otherwise too much eff would make Breaking bars too easily, leading to buffing the enemy toughness more, making non break DPS a hell to ever break as collateral
I badly want a Break focused Harmony Blade so I can play [this](https://youtube.com/shorts/XohCGp-s_7g) team
The Hyperbloom of HSR, just make everyone a non-Crit scaling DPS
I will use Firefly, Harmony Trailblazer, Hunt March and Gallagher on a team, I have a Ruan Mei but she is tied to my DoT team (plus I would imagine Firefly would not get along with Ruan Mei) so March will be a substitute
was really hoping to see showcases of march making HTB master for the weakness break effeciency boost but at least we are finally seeing different teams
HTB doesn't attack nearly fast enough to make it work. Would need a hyper speed Gallagher here to make it work
Which also means that March 7th is now replacing Ruan Mei, or Firefly. That said, making HTB her master would definitely be better.
Ye you can't really slot in March in ideal FF team without making it comparatively less well-bound Though I do wish we had a showcase of her as a substitute stand-in for Ruan Mei in FF's team. It's a shame no one has done that so far.
Works amazing if you have Bootyhill, though. Swap Ruan Mei to the cowboy's team.
This also lets you run both break teams at once without fucking over either of your sides
That's what I was referring to. March 7th with Firefly and Ruan Mei with Boothill. I've been on that train ever since her kit was leaked. Especially since she can break her master's weakness, so paired with FF she can break fire weak enemies, so with FF she's guaranteed able to break alongside her master.
Gallagher would be the better master for that sweet extra 100% Toughness Reduction bonus.
But think of all the follow up attacks that'd be launched having Firefly as the master, which means more instances of SBD in total.
March 7th only makes one followup attack for each of her turns, so having Firefly as master doesn't necessarily mean more followups than having Gallagher as master.
Isnt swapping in march for rm gonna be a bigger loss for the overall team dmg?
Yea, but it should still be better than pela or asta for those without her or needing to split her between boothill and FF, those without her being the focusÂ
Can you explain why HTB would be the better master? Considering the enemies are already weakness broken thanks to FF + RM, more break efficiency is pointless, so why not make FF the master since she has more actions therefore more Super break FU attack from March?
Super Break scales off toughness damage. More toughness reduced = more SB damage
Ah that’ll do it- thanks for the explanation
[https://hsrtools.com/damage-calculator](https://hsrtools.com/damage-calculator) super break button change attack toughness. Eg: 120 base, +50% Mei, +150% (?) with Mei+M7 = 300
Super break scales off of break efficiency as well Why do you think RM is so good in super break and a psuedo irreplaceable piece in it? Because she buffs Break efficiency by 50% That shit is crazy good
My bad; I assumed RM is so good due to the other buffs— breaking the enemy a lot quicker as well as prolonging the break recovery not the break efficiency making SBE that much stronger
it depends on how many units of toughness break you have each attack so yeah, any break efficiency helps a lot for superbreak
More break efficiency will nvr b pointless in Superbreak
I thought SBE only scaled off Break Effect and not Break Efficiency
It scales off toughness damage too and that's affected by Break Efficiency.
the way you need to see it is, that march special attack would deal twice as much toughness dmg if Hmc was the master; ff to even reach that amount would need to give HMarch twice as many stacks compared to making HMC the master, and she doesnt do that
on that note, usually things die after firefly goes, so making htb master would make march help more with thoughness break and deal more dmg outside of ff turns
Bro are you not building 160+ spd on your hmc?
*wheeze* If only the useful relics would actually give me speed!
Never trade BE for spd though. HMC is the BE bank for the team with e4. 145+ is enough
Its not like you get that much extra with 15%, and if you are playing with ruan mei you get 160 just with 150 speed for example, more super breaks, more ultimates(plus if watchmaker) and else
Yeah, I don't get why comments like that get so upvoted. Speed breakpoints heavily influence your clear times.....and is especially true for Break teams where all you care about is Break Effect and taking extra turns to actually use that Break Effect.
Man that break delayed them almost 2 whole cycles at the end wtf. No wonder you cleared so comfortably without a sustain
Imaginary break shenanigans
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Hmc and imaginary break go brrrrrr
Man, all of March's damage is just in the EBA. No wonder crit performs better than Super Break, you can scale a lot higher with crit on the EBA than with Super Break. Didn't realize March doesn't build stacks when using ult but she seemed to always have ult in time for her EBA which is really good.
I think is still too soon to say as the gameplay wasn't optimized for a Superbreak march. The master skill should have been use on Ruan Mei or HTB as this will increase march's break efficiency and increase her Superbreak damage. The lightcone march is using is the herta SU lightcone which doesn't buff break effect ( to be fair I think only boothill LC gives break effect for hunt ). Also Ruan Mei's relic was not fully spec into break effect for the team. Overall the team composition looks like the leaker is trying to see a half build crit/cdmg and half break effect march does. Not really a full on break effect march showcase. Hopefully we start seeing more showcases for march with more optimised team composition in the future.🤞
Thing is, Firefly acts like twice as fast as Ruan Mei and HTB with the 100% AA and being like 210 SPD. All of March's damage is in the EBA so she'll do a lot more damage by optimizing for that than just increasing the basic's super break damage. You could make Gallagher with multiplication her master, but that would make her toughness damage fire in that case.
She doesn't get her +100% break efficiency buff if she makes Firefly her Master though, which is the entire point of using her in a break team. So Firefly needs to act more than "like" twice as fast as HTB. She needs to act more than twice as fast, because she needs to be literally doubling March's turn count just to get to the same break damage that March would be doing by making one of the other units her Master.
it's mathematically impossible for doubling eba generation to be less damage than doubling the break efficiency, because her eba does damage outside of super break. youre kinda right because ff only makes up minimum 2/3rds of march' FUA generation, the last third (or less) is march herself, but still think the increased frequency of ebas is stronger than the increased damage.
You also have to account for the loss of break efficiency (and therefore break damage) on March's normal basic attacks (and maybe FUAs - I'm not clear if the break efficiency bonus applies to her FUAs; I suspect not, but I wouldn't 100% trust the beta wording) which may make up for the loss of conventional damage from the extra EBAs, given that this is a team that's set up for break damage and not for conventional damage. But probably the simpler way to look at it is that this setup is essentially just running a break-geared crit DPS in a Firefly team. If that works, then it should also work for any of the more powerful 5\* limited crit DPS too, and that would probably be stronger than March, as much as I love her (albeit you'd have to element match, whereas March gets to piggyback off Firefly, so there's that).
That's assuming all of March's damage is super break damage, but it isn't. The bars need to be broken first and a crit build does damage in both states. So no, you don't even need to act twice as fast to make crit worth it. But firefly acting a lot does help. It's in fact better to do this intentionally, as you'd much rather have crit build March focus on breaking toughness so that firefly can do more super break instead. So you have firefly acting probably about 50% more than it , which is significantly ebas than using this on htb. Firefly gets speed and BE buff (once she's E6 in the future), and March gets a bonus to her damage that helps the crit build. So using it on Firefly is almost certainly better, and using a crit build is also probably better. March will still do break damage (it scales linear with BE, and she will have BE buffed in this team which is to say you'll see perceived diminishing returns in the casual way it's used to describe linear gains reduced relative gain), whereas building break damage doesn't allow her to do any pre break damage, and this damage can scale exponentially with crit. Tldr, master firefly, build crit, use march to target enemy bars whenever possible.
that’s kinda counterproductive, if your worry is the damage you’re dealing when enemies aren’t broken in a firefly team, it’s better to ensure march helps break the bar as fast as possible than to improve the damage she deals outside of broken state
But her EBA has a higher toughness reduction right? Correct me if I'm wrong. So is still possible with a more optimised team, you can make march spec into Superbreak fully and she will be better or on par with a crit/cdmg march?
On par for sure, but I'm don't think she'll be better. You're basically comparing a 240 toughness damage multiplier vs 1080% multiplier. I think in this team in particular, you can still do decent Super Break damage without fully speccing into it but if you fully spec in Super Break, you dumpster her regular EBA damage.
It might be better in this team to go for a full crit build on march, and make Firefly master. A crit build on March does a good amount of damage with EBA and even with a lesser BE she'll still have the BE from HTB and the toughness damage from her EBA to make some use of Super Break. However, I would like to see a team of Firefly, HTB, hyperspeed Gallagher, and March 7th making Gallagher the master with March in a full BE build. It wouldn't be as good as a team with RM, but I think it would be important to know if March can be a usable RM substitute.
Her toughness damage would be both fire and imaginary, would it not? At least that's how her kit reads.
It reduces the toughness of fire and img weak enemies yeah. But if M7 is the one who breaks, it would still be Imaginary break + imprisonment rather than also adding fire break + burn
The wording on it states "also imaginary break", so I was under the impression it applies break of both the type she adopts and imaginary.
No way you’re proposing that they put Boothill’s light cone on her smh. You think everyone has it or sum? Best for us is a f2p showcase so we can learn the base strength, this video was great
Which is why I said to be fair. Didn't say it was optimal for a F2P.... Even I don't have boothill lightcone. Just wanted to see what happens if you go all in on break effect to see her full potential.
Pardon my ignorance but what does EBA mean?
Enhanced Basic Attack
This is a misleading showcase because the leaker made Firefly the master. If he had either RM or HMC the master March's super break damage would have doubled.
March in this showcase loses about 6 toughness dmg because of wring masterÂ
What do you think about Boothill / Hunt March / Pela / Sustain? I need a team for Boothill but HMC and RM are stuck with FF. It seems like Boothill can benefit a lot from March's buffs. He would love the 10% speed, 36% BE, and even the 60% CD isn't useless on him. Also, Boothill is normally built with high speed (180+ speed with March buff and 18% from S5 Adversarial LC) so March can build stacks fast for her Enhanced Basic.
Yup, this team gonna slap, maybe natasha healer
Bronya instead of Pela for more BH actions.
Plz try this team: Firefly, HTB, March 7th and Gallagher as master. I just wanna see how it performs without Ruan Mei.
Thanks for the showcase OP, this was actually pretty fascinating to see. Despite the amount of people getting lost in the napkin math sauce over which build is inherently superior, I get the feeling the new March is gonna be really fun to experiment new or alt team comps with thanks to her versatility, as content like MoC and such continues to evolve in the future.
You can run this same super break duo dps setup with c6 xueyi too. But i don't think either outperform the premium firefly team.
Break archetype teams trying to not run any sustain (gala exception): impossible
I actually had my suspicions about this team comp because I knew something in March’s kit only works once every turn and it looks like it’s her fua. Otherwise, her stacks work exactly as I’d hope on someone as fast as FF.
I ain't gonna lie bro, this team cleared faster than that e2 jiaoqiu with a 12 cost DoT team consuming 3 cycles ðŸ˜
I mean, let's be honest. The place where Jiaoqiu really shines is in Acheron teams. In other comps he can be good, but not great. And this team has FF, HTB and RM, a VERY meta combination right now. March is like the cherry on top. This team is already broken without her.
yeah like, it would've cleared fast probably without march too. did we already just forget that firefly is insanely good as a unit ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜? march helps ofc but in most cases if you have this team with Gallagher instead of her it would still be crazy
but man e2 s1 jq e0s1 blackswan kafka and huohuo that a whole premiums team and e2 jq increase dot dmg by alot if i remember
It goes to show how insanely broken FF is with her BiS supports. One of them is free btw lol. The thing is: replacing Jiaoqiu for Ruan Mei (or whoever) in this DoT team makes this stage's clear faster? If so, then Jiaoqiu is just not the best option. If not, then it's not about Jiaoqiu, but FF superbreak team broken-ness. Also, like 3 turns in MoC is great for the majority of people. I don't really understand why people say it's a bad thing. The 0 cycle meta talk is exhausting imo.
i think people say like it bad cause how high the cost of the team is since that is 6 limited 5 star character and 4 limited 5 star lc. but i think jq should be better than ruanmei in dot team if the dmg vulnerable affect the dot dmg.
But that's the thing. It's not necessarily that Jiaoqiu is bad (he does need buffs). It's that a very invested DoT team does not compare to a E0S0 FF superbreak team. That's where the problem lies. Jiaoqiu is not supposed to rise DoT to FF levels: the whole DoT team cannot compete to the E0S0 FF team. The bad thing is the powercreep.
Dots legit need crits at this point or a busted bleed enabler to compete anymore
It isn't all terrible for them. As a unique archetype they'll still get random PF/MoC (maybe even AS in the future) buffs that'll incentivize their usage. Compare that to traditional crit DPS characters that get left behind. Many of them straight up don't really have a gimmick that'll specifically buff them for a cycle or two.
DoT teams are fine. They aren't on Firefly level, but no one is, they are probably one of the most resilient meta teams because they work well for all the hard content, can work against multiple elemental weaknesses, and none of the bosses can hard counter them yet. For a team that is arguably one of the least supported playstyles, they could be a lot worse.
> but i think jq should be better than ruanmei in dot team if the dmg vulnerable affect the dot dmg. No, because RM is giving a ton of buffs the damage vulnerability isn't as big as you think it is. DoT already has plenty of sources of vulnerability (Kafka E1, Gui, Black Swan Ultimate) so JQ isn't giving that much boost for them. His ultimate just also isn't that great for DoTs, because the vulnerability there affects ult damage which DoT teams don't care much about. He isn't useless, and if you were already pulling him for Acheron he can work there, but he isn't giving much value to DoT teams by himself especially compared to RM or Robin.
Imagine using e2 Firefly...
You dont need anything with E2 FF... personally I have E2 FF and sometimes I cycle through the complete fight without Ruan Mei getting a turn...
Who cares about rm getting a turn? As long as her buffs are active
That’s a build issue. Put Vonwacq on RM and that will fix that problem. ;)
I think you missed the point
But that's not necessarily Jiaoqiu's fault (he does need buffs though). The problem lies in a very invested DoT team not being able to compare to a E0S0 FF superbreak team. It's not Jiaoqiu's role to rise DoT to FF levels: the whole DoT team couldn't compete with the E0S0 FF team. The problem here is the powercreep.
is March gonna be bad with boothill? I don't see showcases of them, which makes me sad.
I think it's moreso that there just haven't been many showcases of her
I don't think Boothill will say no to having a 10% speed boost plus the extra break effect after she uses her enhanced basic
I think they might be able to work together!!!! I want to try them out when she comes ;;
Having Firefly too, I don't know but I'm sure as hello going to try it if only to expand my Break DPS support options. Both wanting Ruan Mei now is tough. But I feel like she's probably going to be better on the Firefly team since HMC is there, on Boothill she's just going to contribute to toughness damage without SuperBreak. Unless..crit March making a support a master? (edit: nvm, I forgot she needs to make Boothill the master if she were to help in Physical toughness damage)
Actually in this team seems more worth it making a support the master for more toughness damage and superbreak, hopefully someone tries this team but gallagher instead or Ruan mei and make him the master with multiplication lc, so it's almost a mono fire with imaginary
The thing with the 2 new break dps is, their best teammates are all set. RM, HMC, Bronya and Gallagher, pick the ones you have, no new character in sight can replace them.
If FF has those 3, Boothill can make do with Bronya + March. This way you run 2 BE comps. 1 in each side.
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I don't see a reason to use those two together tbh. Boot doesn't care about crit and his best teams don't use HMC
what if you don't use Ruan mei. I am trying to make a solid boothill team without her.
Huh, no Watchmaker 4pc on Ruan Mei or HMC. Edit: HMC probably should have been the master as well for the weakness break boost. I feel like she’s better with a traditional crit build, but it’s still nice to see other teams.
Kinda useless showcase since making firefly the master doesn't do much. Would love to see a superbreak team with hmc/mei/Gallagher with march making Gallagher her master.
There's a showcase on YouTube with this exact team by NotALeaks Edit: https://youtu.be/SC3IxJsWCdw
Okay, I love how this team works, and it's funny how many SP are not used. Maybe one day they will make some LC/Planar/Set that wants to remain in so much SP unused for whatever reason.
This is really cool
That's the team I plan to use. Not pulling firefly. and unless your builds are good enough to go sustain less or you simply don't have Ruan Mei I'm not sure that March could find a place on the firefly team. Even then Gallagher is so good in the comp that going sustain less has little benefit.
What happens when Gallagher becomes master?
it just shows that you don't really need sustain for break team and if Gallagher had 0 heals, he would still be good. I am really curious what Lingsha brings to the table. Hopefully it is just about summons and something new.
It would be nice if she could deal a lot of toughness damage and maybe increase break efficiency of the two next attacks.
Finally see March and Firefly after people kept spamming Acheron and Jiaoqiu: :D It's sustainless with Ruan Mei and Firefly as master: D:
Is acheron n jiaoqiu good? I wanna see the video if you have some links still
Jiaoqiu is essentially a dedicated support for Acheron, he sucks everywhere else and is basically just a side grade to Pela which for a 5 star is awful. However for Acheron he's insane since he just batteries her super fast, he's basically the sparkle to Dan IL There's a bunch here and also on YouTube, not sure which would be best to send so you can search depending on what characters and lcs you have to see performance assuming you have acheron
Ok thank you. I do have acheron but I've trouble with her team....pela is e0 n lc is s2. Acheron herself has s1 GNSW. So if I get this right then I think I shud prioritise acheron lc over jiaoqiuÂ
I'm unsure of the power boost Jiaoqiu gives over lightcone, but since he will be out before Acheron rerun I would recommend going for Jiaoqiu to finish the team and then try to get Acheron lc, it'll prob be a full patch before it reruns so will depend on if you want anyone else before then One of the main benefits Acherons lc gives is that it gives her an extra ult charge. Jiaoqiu has it so when an enemy takes a turn their debuffs is reapplied so that's charging it even more if there's a lot of fast enemies
How is this compared to the usual FF team with Gallagher? 1-cycle faster or maybe same considering boss is weak to IMG?
maybe same since march got a little higher dmg than gallag but gallag have weakness dmg buff
March can break with imaginary and the same element master it is. So no difference enemy being weak to imaginary or not, if they are weak to fire.
Yeah but it isn't just about breaking. But also the 20% dmg res reduction or something inherent to the enemy element weakness. Unless that master thing with March also gives her dmg res reduction like SW's implant? edit: I read her kit and it only gives her toughness reduction, so there IS a difference whether enemy is IMG weak or not
Really want to see a team with March and Clara or Yunli.
Good news, a [showcase](https://www.reddit.com/r/YunliMainsHSR/comments/1dmf4sr/yunli_m7_robin_hh_showcase/) with March and Yunli was posted in a Yunlimains subreddit earlier.
why did you build march for break but then make firefly the master? she's a destruction character. making a destruction character the master gives her more damage, she'd need to make ruan mei or htb the master, that gives her break efficiency. harmony, abundance, preservation or nihility gives break efficiency. this showcase doesn't show us anything, so it's useless. you didn't show off superbreak march, you showed off crit march built for break. **edit: it was pointed out that it's likely due to the number of actions firefly has, which is actually a fair point. so the showcase isn't useless, it does show us something.**
Shot in the dark but I’m guessing it’s bc of the # of actions FF takes. It gives her stacks faster for her enhanced basic. It’s why you’ll usually make Gal master if he’s on the team.Â
wait so gallagher, march7, HTB, and Ruan Mei? something like that?
Honestly yes if you're going for SB M7. Firefly is the one to sub out. She can designate Master onto Gallagher with Multi and just go ham. 160 spd Gallagher with multi is around 200 spd, not too diff from FF's 210 The problem though... everyone is gonna be so sp positive so you're always gonna be at 5 sp. It's not inherently a bad thing but it feels like a waste having an abundance of sp with pretty much no one to use it aside from HMC
Maybe I am bursting your bubble, but in no world would people throw FF out to use M7 lol
Right, but what about people that don't have firefly? Realistically the firefly team is set in stone, March isn't going to improve it. But how well a break march works as the lead DPS for people without firefly? That's something good to know.
Yes and no. It does not make sense to play a break team without a break DPS like Xuei, Boothill or FF. March is a sub-DPS who is a strong, but still a sub DPS who needs a good Master for her to buff. Bonus points if the Master can attack multiple times or fast. She is not main DPS material.
The problem is there's no room for sub DPS in break. It's X + TB + RM + Gallagher. So people would like to see a run with march as "primary" DPS for the break team, rather than just someone saying she's sub DPS and not trying it. Realistically everyone does damage for the break team, so if March can break quickly, it might not be terrible. Obviously not BH/FF levels, but possibly an acceptable cycle clear.
I mean, there *is* room for Sub-DPS on Boothill, but the best one is basically Luka because of bleed procs and while I don't have a built Luka to properly test this, I believe Pela as a debuffer still outperforms Luka in a Boothill comp (and also a 4* so they're basically equally budget options).
Yup, or just dont use march for break team, im planning to use her in dual dps comp! She break a lot so she might help out a bunch of other dps in AS, either way, march really a spotlight for 2.4
Just pointing the options out. In a super break team with a sustain, either FF or RM is gonna be subbed out as HMC is irreplaceable and sustains are just versatile enough to fit any team. Obv Gallagher is BiS for break teams as a sustain but you can slot in someone else and still do well
They can do it without sustains tho
Yup. That’s the March SBE team. She can do v heavy SBE damage there. If you want her with FF then I’ve heard of some people thinking abt using her as a ftp RM replacement. You’ll still throw the skill on Gal.Â
Firefly have way more SPD and triggers March 7th talent more often and her Ult faster than RM or HMC can. In the above showcase Firefly attacked 11 times, triggering March Follow-ups 9 times, HMC only attacked 6 times, and RuanMei was CC'ed for most of the fight; so, by tuning with firefly, march triggered her talent at least 2 times more and get one extra Ult than tuning with HMC. The other better option whould've be a speedy Gallagher, but then you need to get rid of RM, and maybe the OP didn't feel justified to lose 50% break efficiency plus buff to everyone to just double the break efficiency of March 7th. Also, these showcase shows interaction and mechanic of new units that (even if still in beta) are important to people who decide how to build said characters; so I would not say that's is useless just because you suppose it's "wrong".
You don't get rid rm but FF instead, march + HMC + Rm + Gal as master
nah bro u gonna have problem with the weakness type remember march didnt ignore weakness like archeron she do same weakness as master.
We want to get RM to see how well it performs with March as an alternative One of the main questions people have is how good is march for a ruan mei substitute with her kit
U forgot march dont have implants so u basically just use her efficiently only at Fire or imaginary moc, ice dont count cause Mei barely breaking anything
You can, but I don't think I'll be able to enjoy a break team without a weakness implant now that I have Firefly \^\^ Also, I don't believe March will be able to compare to other breakers like Xueyi, expecially since we now got one for free with AS. So, unless you really love M7 new outfit, one can say there area arguably better options. \^\^
Because it still shows animations, interactions with kit and comps that people may want to try or play. Considering the damage output it's not like the comp is broken. I will add that I'm getting tired of people giving leakers attitude for not playing the way people want them to. This isn't something you're entitled to, nor is it something you can do. You don't have to like it, but you go out of your way to put a snarky reply to someone doing something for you cause you don't like it is pretty shitty behaviour. If you're so pressed, you can go do a showcase so that we can all see how well you do. Honestly, the entitlement people have on this sub can be far too much!
Thank you! Yeah some of these people in these leak subs ask way too much of someone that doesn't even have to show this to people so at the very least appreciate what you're seeing and show appreciation to these leakers showing us this stuff. When the chars are released you can go crazy with whatever team comp you want.
Thank you. Someone finally said it. This type of comment, which does not add anything, is getting really annoying.
"go do your own showcase" yeah i have a beta server I can just load up real quick and do a showcase on, ezpz no need for any connections at all.
Exactly my point. People have to go through a lot of effort and put their neck on the line to even get us showcases and people talk to the people doing this like crap because it's not optimal or not what they want to see. People don't have to do this so be courteous when they do. Confused as to why this is such a difficult concept to grasp but yet here we are.
I haven’t really looked into March but her kit makes her both a dps and her support right?
Shes basically a subdps that is versatile. She technically is also a support though she doesn't actually provide much, more she supports herself. She works similar to Jade in that she selects a character to benefit/benefit from. But with March she has a lot of versatility to this depending on who she chooses to select. DPS path characters give her like a damage boost, while other paths give her increased break efficiency. So she's gonna be good in break teams, and probably any team that's generally fast. Because of follow ups she can also work in FUA. The way I see her is that for some team comps if your missing one of the premium characters for that comp, March will be a strong substitute.
Yeah she seems like a sub DPS version like jade but she is hunt instead. According to her kit right now she can be a sub DPS for crit/cdmg team or break effect team. Honestly, I'm quite excited for her kit, nice to see a support who can do both.
really wanna see a showcase w march replacing ruan mei with multiplication gallagher as the master since that’s probably what im going to run if i dont get her
Interesting, probably multiplication gallager instead of Mei could work too, for when Mei is absolutely required somewhere else.
I'd like to see hmc, March 7, FF and guinafen on a double Fire and imaginary team. Gui with herta lightcone and breack build, make gui the master. Should be interesting for non ruan mei users. How you build March 7 Hunt btw?
I wanna see this, but with boothill instead of ff
The leaker had one chance to prove he read and knew his stuff, and he blew it by making FF the master
I really like the new March simply because of how generic she is and how many "teams" she works in. SP positive DPS, propagation, elation (weakest of the bunch in her E2 but it's there) element copy + buffer. master of none but combined she does a lot of work. especially that E6 tbh.
Thanks you!!!! for the showcase this was the team i was gonna use
Ooh I’m definitely trying this out!
firefly, HMC, march and robin wouldn't be good, right?
So this shows us that March's follow-up attack triggers once for each of her turns, not the turns of the master, right? So that means as long as March is faster than her master she'll be pumping out more
Combo with Ratio worth It?
Nice! My super break team will be Firefly, Harmony Trailblazer, Hunt March 7th and Gallagher, due to March's speed buff and because I need Ruan Mei for my DoT team.
I really hope the transition into Hunter Intuition was in game and not edited. I’ve been dying for unique boss themes to play in other modes that aren’t the story (and Apoc Shadow)
sorry if it's a noob question but how does this team survive if they have no abundance/preservation?
It simply doesn't, but you don't need an abundance/preservation unit if the enemies die quickly. You can easily run a sustainless team if you have enough raw power
With Ruan Mei delay and 160 speed.
I'd like to see super break variations using March's break efficiency enhancement instead if anything. Probably requires Gallagher as the target to get enough speed and attack instances if so though, in which case we're either skipping Ruan Mei or going without any other dps
Can March and Jade work out? just curious
If I don't pull Firefly, can I use March 7 in the break team instead? Will the team be good?
very late and you might have found answers elsewhere by now but it seems pretty good: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC3IxJsWCdw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC3IxJsWCdw)
Id love if her eba didnt rely on type but rather the stats of the master. Like if they meet a crit req it gets those benefits and if they meet a be req she gets the other benefits (which maybe leaves her able to double dip on hybrids which I wouldn't mind). It would certainly help her fit into more traditional dual dps teams.
March literally pulled a Flashback scene as an ultðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
How will the new March eidolons work?
On one hand, i doubt her normal eidolons stay because all versions have separate ones normally. But then I doubt it'll be summonable. The most likely is rewards from a questine line like the fyrestroll ghost place idr the name... although 6 eidolons there seem much, so maybe not all in one go
Less than a week into the game and brand new to the sub. where will we be able to get this new and super cool March?
In an event for the new arc. Might require having completed penacony, but maybe only luofo
Will I miss it if I don't do all the story ASAP?
Unlikely
Holy shit that enhanced attack is crazy
Has anyone done a FF/HMC/March/Gallagher comp showcase yet? I'm still coping I'll not be able to get RM and pondering if March would be better than Asta on my team.
Would march actually be better than a bronya with E1 FF in the team?Â
looks like I might have to build march too now ðŸ˜