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I would have too.
1) slam on the breaks. Skid out and rear end them.
2) hit the gas to be able to speed past them and move on safely.
I'd much rather have sped past the guy and gotten away from him on the road. He's not looking ON A ONE-WAY ROAD. There's no telling what else he'd do without looking. Drive past and get them away from you.
I would have started to brake as I saw the guy pull out then go into the left lane after the car there passes. That’s the safest way, rather than engaging in that dangerous maneavure
I don't see why he keeps getting downvoted. If the truck caused an accident speedily going right instead of patiently going left, truck would have been at fault plain and simple. However, lil compact is still a complete moron and at the end of the day you gotta do what you gotta do in a split second decision. 9/10
And then the driver said to their passenger, "Did you just see what that guy just did! He went around me in the turn lane! The nerve of some people..."
Fun story actually....
Came off the hwy into a red light in the right most, going strait lane. There is a separate right only lane. To my left a blatantly obvious undercover Vic, so I'm just chilling waiting for green. A second before light finally changes - a beige Jetta blasts through the last split second of the red via turn-only lane.....cop peels out and gets em good within the next mile and a half of the road. I slowly pass em laughing histerically and scoot along my business.
I don’t think it’s actually a merge lane but just an extension of the shoulder so people can get over to slow down to turn in. They’re common in Texas on access roads that have high speed limits.
It’s called an acceleration/deceleration lane, and yes they’re often intended to be used for merging back into the travel lane. Typically there will be a skip marking at the end indicating the merge point, but this one just seems to be a regular old shoulder which was striped out, not an actual accel lane.
Nice evasion? If the other driver realized their mistake and pulled to the right or would have resulted in a crash. The way to avoid danger is the brake pedal. There was ample opportunity to use it, and this video documents the result of two poor drivers encountering each other.
> The way to avoid danger is the brake pedal.
Clearly not in this situation. Combined with the turning car braking once they realized what they did, there was no time for the OP to stop without rear ending the idiot.
Unless your vehicle was sold [new after 2012 in the United States or 2004 in the EU](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lock_braking_system#Laws_and_regulations).
Car is visible before turning. There is plenty of space to brake enough to merge left, not stop. Any well seasoned and/or competent driver can see that, duh.
I didn't know my car with front collision avoidance, anti-lock brakes and traction control is so unsafe. I can't believe the NHTSA allows these systems to be installed! I need to figure out how to permanently disable them on my car.
The amount of people I'm seeing that clearly don't understand you don't have to slam the brakes to use them, is incredible. Besides, OP DID speed up in the first place so 2 idiots. What if the gravel caused him to fishtail into YOUR car? They would both be at fault if that OP more
Yes but in THIS situation (which is the relevant one here) hitting the brakes hard would be the only way to utilize braking and not hit the dummy that stopped on a highway access road. There is not enough space to come to a complete stop without slamming the brakes. We can argue all day about who did what wrong, but this simply wouldn’t be an issue if the driver had not pulled out in the first place. Had OP crashed into the driver that pulled out, that driver would be at fault 100%. I just love how everyone jumps all over a smooth evasive maneuver as if they were the one causing all of the problems.
It's comments like these that instill an irrational fear of touching the brake pedal with novice drivers. Modern vehicles have traction control systems that are there precisely to keep your vehicle under control when decelerating.
Hoever, unless your vehicle has front collision avoidance, you will need to operate the brake pedal yourself.
unmistakable 281 frontage road in san antonio. this happens to me nearly every time i drive in that area! ppl really have made it an art form in this town to pull out going the absolute slowest they can and play victim when it pisses ppl off
I was born and raised in that area of SA and now live outside the area. Let me tell you that it is not unique to that part of town. Almost every day in my little town, someone will pull out in front of me in a 55 just to drive 45 and turn at the very next neighborhood.
The issue is that people have a “me first” mentality which leads them to believe that since they are just going to be turning in about 1/4 mile, it’s okay to pull out and slow everyone down because they’ll be out of the way soon instead of the more “others first” thought process which leads someone to wait until everyone has passed because they are making a turn very soon after entering the flow of traffic and they don’t want to slow everyone else down in order to get home 5 seconds sooner.
Just based on the fucking idiotic highway design and oblivious driver, I knew this had to be Texas. I'm so goddam tired of driving here. I can't wait till my work sends me somewhere else.
I immediately thought San Antonio when I saw this. Something about the wide frontage roads, the architecture and the vegetation just triggered something in my brain.
OP, I'm with you. That jackass decided to pull in front of you instead of the merge lane. You could see that the merge lane was clear before he did it. You took proper evasive action to easily avoid a collision, or possible uncontrolled braking accident. It looks to me like your speed matched the lane next to you, so unless you both drive fast you were just normal traffic until the offending pullout.
Arguments for both sides.
The speed limit is [45 mph](https://maps.app.goo.gl/VSHLZA5bgWLBskHj9) on that road. Assuming OP's going the speed limit, i saw the merging car pulling out 5 second before OPs maneuver. That's about 300 feet at that speed. Plenty of time to slow down. Unless OP was already speeding, braking was a better option.
Now i noticed OP was passing the car on their left, so i could only assume one of them was going the speed limit. Right before the maneuver, OP stops accelerating and makes the decision to swerve instead. Good move, either brake OR swerve, never both.
In conclusion, OP had a choice. The maneuver was successful and a collision was avoided. Good job OP and
we can all agree, merging car is the idiot.
I agree with your conclusion, but I want to point out that dash cams have a different view than the driver. They have wide angle lenses and they are usually adhered to the windshield which places them about a foot in front of the driver (this distance changed depending on the vehicle). This often gives the viewer more perspective than the driver had at the time of the incident.
This is also the reason why a lot of people in this sub never seem to agree with tailgating videos. In those cases, the cams are usually further back than the bumper and along with the wide angle lens, makes tailgaters appear further away than they actually are.
Very true. It may or may not be a factor in this video. I can see the car well before 5 seconds, waiting. When he actually starts to pull out to the time of the maneuver was 5 seconds. also google maps paints a pretty good picture of the visibility.
Truth is, we will never know what OP saw and thought. 🤷♂️
~~Perception and reaction takes about 1.5 to 2 seconds and it would take about 260 feet to stop a car at 45 mph so breaking wasn't an option if 300 feet, 45 mph, and 5 seconds were correct.~~
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[how about 25%?](https://i.imgur.com/VEZUgO7.jpg)
([source](https://www.carsrememberwhen.com/inventory/1977-ford-bronco-/686860), clearly meant to be driven by an octopus)
Nah, OP made the right move with evasive action in my opinion. They were going with the flow of traffic and someone pulled out in front at a slow rate of speed.
Slamming on the brakes here wouldn't be good for anyone involved, and no guarantee OP would have stopped in time anyway.
What an absolutely terrible piece of advice. If the other driver also took evasive action, there would have been a high speed impact. It's almost always better to slow down, if only to reduce impact forces.
That’s not a stroad. It’s an access/feeder road. It’s how you get on and off the highway. They are usually one direction and have a speed limit of about 45, unless there’s not a lot of development, and then they can have higher limits. They have controlled intersections with either all way stops or stoplights at major intersections. Otherwise, non-major roads, or exits from parking lots, will have stop signs. The idiot driver didn’t want to wait three seconds for OP to pass. A lower speed limit would have encouraged them to pull out in front of OP because they would have had to wait even longer to be able to safely exit the parking lot.
Get shit on your cake day lol
Both of you are idiots. Slow tf down and other car had plenty of room before merging onto the street.
And this kids is what happens when someone is too prideful to have their “right of way” infringed upon lol.
Or don't pull out on people driving down the road and use the merge lane correclty. OP did what they needed to do to avoid an accident. Yes braking hard can cause you to lose control.
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yeah no that car definitely just didn’t look to the left before pulling out
one way street so..didnt look at all ig
I'd bet my money on they saw OP and decided to turn anyway, way too many people driving on the road that shouldn't be
When OP saw the guy pull out, OP _sped up_. Dangerous stuff
I would have too. 1) slam on the breaks. Skid out and rear end them. 2) hit the gas to be able to speed past them and move on safely. I'd much rather have sped past the guy and gotten away from him on the road. He's not looking ON A ONE-WAY ROAD. There's no telling what else he'd do without looking. Drive past and get them away from you.
I would have started to brake as I saw the guy pull out then go into the left lane after the car there passes. That’s the safest way, rather than engaging in that dangerous maneavure
I'd say slamming on your brakes is a more dangerous maneuver.
Absolutely no need to slam the brakes. Tonnes of time. And in the video we see OP _speed_ up, so there’s even more time than we see there
I don't see why he keeps getting downvoted. If the truck caused an accident speedily going right instead of patiently going left, truck would have been at fault plain and simple. However, lil compact is still a complete moron and at the end of the day you gotta do what you gotta do in a split second decision. 9/10
And then the driver said to their passenger, "Did you just see what that guy just did! He went around me in the turn lane! The nerve of some people..."
“How are these jackasses getting licenses?”
Fun story actually.... Came off the hwy into a red light in the right most, going strait lane. There is a separate right only lane. To my left a blatantly obvious undercover Vic, so I'm just chilling waiting for green. A second before light finally changes - a beige Jetta blasts through the last split second of the red via turn-only lane.....cop peels out and gets em good within the next mile and a half of the road. I slowly pass em laughing histerically and scoot along my business.
Later today we will see footage from the other driver's dashcam
That was a nice evasion. Not only did that jackass turn when he wasn’t supposed to, he fucking hit the brakes 🤦🏼♀️
And also didn't utilize the merge lane, which would also have been okay. Instead OP ended up using it.
I don’t think it’s actually a merge lane but just an extension of the shoulder so people can get over to slow down to turn in. They’re common in Texas on access roads that have high speed limits.
It’s called an acceleration/deceleration lane, and yes they’re often intended to be used for merging back into the travel lane. Typically there will be a skip marking at the end indicating the merge point, but this one just seems to be a regular old shoulder which was striped out, not an actual accel lane.
Nice evasion? If the other driver realized their mistake and pulled to the right or would have resulted in a crash. The way to avoid danger is the brake pedal. There was ample opportunity to use it, and this video documents the result of two poor drivers encountering each other.
> The way to avoid danger is the brake pedal. Clearly not in this situation. Combined with the turning car braking once they realized what they did, there was no time for the OP to stop without rear ending the idiot.
It's both. Brake for as long as you can, then make the evasive maneuver. OP just got lucky in this situation.
For anyone reading this, please don't brake and make an evasive maneuver at the same time
Good clarification!
Unless your vehicle was sold [new after 2012 in the United States or 2004 in the EU](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lock_braking_system#Laws_and_regulations).
Car is visible before turning. There is plenty of space to brake enough to merge left, not stop. Any well seasoned and/or competent driver can see that, duh.
I didn't know my car with front collision avoidance, anti-lock brakes and traction control is so unsafe. I can't believe the NHTSA allows these systems to be installed! I need to figure out how to permanently disable them on my car.
It’s extremely dangerous to slam the brakes at 55+mph. You lose control and can wreck.
The amount of people I'm seeing that clearly don't understand you don't have to slam the brakes to use them, is incredible. Besides, OP DID speed up in the first place so 2 idiots. What if the gravel caused him to fishtail into YOUR car? They would both be at fault if that OP more
Yes but in THIS situation (which is the relevant one here) hitting the brakes hard would be the only way to utilize braking and not hit the dummy that stopped on a highway access road. There is not enough space to come to a complete stop without slamming the brakes. We can argue all day about who did what wrong, but this simply wouldn’t be an issue if the driver had not pulled out in the first place. Had OP crashed into the driver that pulled out, that driver would be at fault 100%. I just love how everyone jumps all over a smooth evasive maneuver as if they were the one causing all of the problems.
Especially when you turn while braking that hard
It's comments like these that instill an irrational fear of touching the brake pedal with novice drivers. Modern vehicles have traction control systems that are there precisely to keep your vehicle under control when decelerating. Hoever, unless your vehicle has front collision avoidance, you will need to operate the brake pedal yourself.
What an ass. If you're going to cut someone off on a high-speed road, at least put the pedal down when you do it.
unmistakable 281 frontage road in san antonio. this happens to me nearly every time i drive in that area! ppl really have made it an art form in this town to pull out going the absolute slowest they can and play victim when it pisses ppl off
I was born and raised in that area of SA and now live outside the area. Let me tell you that it is not unique to that part of town. Almost every day in my little town, someone will pull out in front of me in a 55 just to drive 45 and turn at the very next neighborhood. The issue is that people have a “me first” mentality which leads them to believe that since they are just going to be turning in about 1/4 mile, it’s okay to pull out and slow everyone down because they’ll be out of the way soon instead of the more “others first” thought process which leads someone to wait until everyone has passed because they are making a turn very soon after entering the flow of traffic and they don’t want to slow everyone else down in order to get home 5 seconds sooner.
Just based on the fucking idiotic highway design and oblivious driver, I knew this had to be Texas. I'm so goddam tired of driving here. I can't wait till my work sends me somewhere else.
I immediately thought San Antonio when I saw this. Something about the wide frontage roads, the architecture and the vegetation just triggered something in my brain.
OP, I'm with you. That jackass decided to pull in front of you instead of the merge lane. You could see that the merge lane was clear before he did it. You took proper evasive action to easily avoid a collision, or possible uncontrolled braking accident. It looks to me like your speed matched the lane next to you, so unless you both drive fast you were just normal traffic until the offending pullout.
Also I can’t hear anything in the video, but I’m hoping OP laid on their horn for a good 4-5 seconds.
Yeah, that shit requires holding the horn down for the entire pass.
SA drivers are some of the worst. Especially considering how many of them don’t have insurance!!
That 183 access road is wild
Beautiful OP just magnificent
Arguments for both sides. The speed limit is [45 mph](https://maps.app.goo.gl/VSHLZA5bgWLBskHj9) on that road. Assuming OP's going the speed limit, i saw the merging car pulling out 5 second before OPs maneuver. That's about 300 feet at that speed. Plenty of time to slow down. Unless OP was already speeding, braking was a better option. Now i noticed OP was passing the car on their left, so i could only assume one of them was going the speed limit. Right before the maneuver, OP stops accelerating and makes the decision to swerve instead. Good move, either brake OR swerve, never both. In conclusion, OP had a choice. The maneuver was successful and a collision was avoided. Good job OP and we can all agree, merging car is the idiot.
I agree with your conclusion, but I want to point out that dash cams have a different view than the driver. They have wide angle lenses and they are usually adhered to the windshield which places them about a foot in front of the driver (this distance changed depending on the vehicle). This often gives the viewer more perspective than the driver had at the time of the incident. This is also the reason why a lot of people in this sub never seem to agree with tailgating videos. In those cases, the cams are usually further back than the bumper and along with the wide angle lens, makes tailgaters appear further away than they actually are.
Very true. It may or may not be a factor in this video. I can see the car well before 5 seconds, waiting. When he actually starts to pull out to the time of the maneuver was 5 seconds. also google maps paints a pretty good picture of the visibility. Truth is, we will never know what OP saw and thought. 🤷♂️
~~Perception and reaction takes about 1.5 to 2 seconds and it would take about 260 feet to stop a car at 45 mph so breaking wasn't an option if 300 feet, 45 mph, and 5 seconds were correct.~~ Edit: See replies
Braking distance for 45 mph is less than 130 feet in a sedan and can get below 100 feet in some of them.
Yep turns out the source I looked at quickly already included perception reaction time, my bad
there's another pedal down there
Which one? I only have a 50% chance of pressing the right one. 33% in some other cases.
[how about 25%?](https://i.imgur.com/VEZUgO7.jpg) ([source](https://www.carsrememberwhen.com/inventory/1977-ford-bronco-/686860), clearly meant to be driven by an octopus)
Nah, OP made the right move with evasive action in my opinion. They were going with the flow of traffic and someone pulled out in front at a slow rate of speed. Slamming on the brakes here wouldn't be good for anyone involved, and no guarantee OP would have stopped in time anyway.
What an absolutely terrible piece of advice. If the other driver also took evasive action, there would have been a high speed impact. It's almost always better to slow down, if only to reduce impact forces.
Good reflexes. I don’t know what the speed limit was there so I won’t judge on that. Happy cake day.
Looks like insurance fraud. They literally pulled in front of you and slammed their brakes
Exactly. If I purposely wanted someone to hit me, I'd do exactly what the idiot did.
That’s gonna be some painful fraud
I dont know how common it is but I have seen videos of it on this sub
I feel like the most unsafe part was swerving around them in the entrance lane... but I'm a slow down a tad and wait for them kinda person.
I felt the most unsafe part was the black car pulling out across a merge lane into oncoming traffic, but maybe that's just me 🤷
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And if there was?
And if there was?
And if there was?
Smh
Two idiots in this video
Quite elderly, quite young, quite unskilled/new.. One of those probably is accurate lol
San Antonio represent
There's even a merge lane
Two idiots here. Don't undertake.
I see two idiots
oh 281 access road
This looks like texas
Honestly, blame the infrastructure. Nobody should be pulling up to a road with such high speed limits. Stroads are cancer.
That’s not a stroad. It’s an access/feeder road. It’s how you get on and off the highway. They are usually one direction and have a speed limit of about 45, unless there’s not a lot of development, and then they can have higher limits. They have controlled intersections with either all way stops or stoplights at major intersections. Otherwise, non-major roads, or exits from parking lots, will have stop signs. The idiot driver didn’t want to wait three seconds for OP to pass. A lower speed limit would have encouraged them to pull out in front of OP because they would have had to wait even longer to be able to safely exit the parking lot.
Idiot #2 could have at least slowed down when he saw idiot #1 pulling out of the driveway, rather than pulling that self-righteous FU maneuver.
Get shit on your cake day lol Both of you are idiots. Slow tf down and other car had plenty of room before merging onto the street. And this kids is what happens when someone is too prideful to have their “right of way” infringed upon lol.
Or don't pull out on people driving down the road and use the merge lane correclty. OP did what they needed to do to avoid an accident. Yes braking hard can cause you to lose control.
OP did nothing to brake and he could’ve braked in time
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so slaming on the breaks losing control and causing a 3 car accident is a better option?
I thought it was about the black car on the left going about 150 MPH on the highway. Oh and you both were idiots on that one.