Correct but the tv show actually lets us measure the yield. I can look it up if you like. Google should be able to tell. This bombs are like the size of a mini nuke. Tell you the USA is fine- gotta remeber the radiation from a bomb is drastically less than a reactor- like the radiation will be gone in 2 weeks
The bombs detonating in Los Angeles in the first episode is def wayy more than a Mini Nuke, although I agree they seem a bit smaller than I would expect, but I don't know the blast size for every nuclear weapon in existence
Iâm pretty sure theyâd all hit Manila.
And maybe larger cities like Davao and Cebu.
Like, if most people were firing nukes and had a choice between nuking Manila again and hitting Lucena, most people would probably pick âNuke Manila Again.â
If I recall correctly, the Fallout 4 intro has the news broadcaster name drop the 5th Infantry Division as defending the "Island of Mambajao" (Camiguin.) This would mean it's a key defensive point in the Philippine campaign. If we assume that, as per the map, the Chinese had control over Mindanao, they'd probably nuke Mindanao more, while the Chinese would nuke Luzon and Visayas, maybe?
I do think it's just a teeny bit odd that the Chinese would be holding the south of the country rather than the north half, though... though, of course, war and fortune are fickle sisters at the best of times.
But yeah the Greater Manila Area is fucked in general, can't imagine the Americans in the Fallout TL trying to evenly spread development/investment to the rest of the country if they (or we) didn't do that in ours!
Imagining an Enclave member decked out in power armor kicking back on a beach chair in Hawaii. Got a drink with one of those colored umbrella toothpicks in them too.
I think the CCP would have written off Anchorage as a priority target, the city sprawl was already ravaged by the war.
Honestly, I would not be surprised if Alaska (similar to the 1983 Doomsday TL) got back on its feet far sooner than the rest of the American homeland.
Alaska was hit first. After China invaded Alaska there was extensive conventional war that lasted a long time, and it was in Alaska where the first nuclear attack took place.
In the Fallout Universe, they were probably throwing around bombs with far, far higher yields than we went with in real life. Based on the evidence we have, a single bomb basically turned all of Rhode Island into a radioactive wasteland devoid of life, while another bomb landed in the middle pf Boston and barely knocked down the buildings around it. Same for DC
I mean, the glowing sea is approximately the direction where the Rhode Island border should be. The scaling is a bit off in the games, but that would appear to make sense based on context
>Itâs a dirty bomb being dropped on a nuclear power plant.
That's already been discussed, But the Nuclear power plant at County Crossing puts out even more Radiation than the one in the Glowing Sea, So I doubt that's what caused the glowing sea, More likely the lower yield and the way the Bomb's been maximise to have more Radiation, Almost like the very similar way of a [Salted Bomb](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salted_bomb).
>The County Crossing nuclear power plant to the southwest is irradiated, reaching up to +56 rads at the base of each containment sphere.
>An average strategic warhead in 2077 had a yield of about 200-750 kilotons, but with a massive increase in radioactive fallout in place of thermal shock. However, despite the apparent reduction in raw explosive power, this arsenal was far more dangerous to the Earth's ecosystem, as it deposited far greater amounts of fallout in the atmosphere than had been assumed by pre-War models.
I think a number if not the majority of the atomic weapons fired by either side would have been intercepted considering Mr Houses' (a private citizen albeit a very well connected one) progress in protecting Las Vegas.
Funnily enough it is happening now! The largest industrial zone in the world spans over a considerable sector of the Texas-Mexican border.
China is no longer a nation of peasant farmers. The average Chinese working age male has a college education and isn't willing to work for cheap anymore.
As a New Englander I resent the idea that we'd receive the lowest amount of nukes of the lower 48. Without globalization taking hold and an increase in domestic american weapons production New England would be the heartland of small arms and aircraft manufacturing. That's worth a few dozen more nukes hitting us I'll have you know.
So where was that island I heard of a few years ago that is uninhabited by humans? Itâs sounding better by the second!
On a side note:
Has Amazon built teleporters for delivering packages yet? Yeah, Mr. Bezos before you use your wealth to escape to some vault in space (wonder what experiment Vault Tec planned in space) Iâma need one of those package tele-porter thingyâs to bring with meâŚ
(PS: [unofficially] Was/Would Vault-Tec started by Elon Musk? Or would he be the institute? Or both!?)
Vault Tec is closer to Amazon than anything. Elon isnât smart enough to have founded the Institute. Heâd more likely have built West Tek, a military contractor, and a shoddy one at that.
I recently read Annie Jacobsenâs âNuclear Scenarioâ, and it makes the case that this would quickly become a civilization-ending event, though perhaps not full human extinction.
I feel like the total nukes used should be closer to 80,000 rather than 8,000. The peak Cold War arsenals of the US and USSR were around 20,000-30,000 each, and Iâd imagine numbers should be similar in the Fallout universe given the absurd level of tech used by both sides. Other than that, cool map.
China is fucking gone bro đ
Mongolia looking good rn
Apart from fact that half of population live in capital so this 15 nukes wiped some of 60-70% of population in one blast
More than half.. closer to 90%
They have 72% of urbanization, so it's impossible to hit 90% population, unless it was during some gathering time of sort(holiday, selling harvest)
>Mongolia's population is 3,409,939, of which 45 percent live in Ulaanbaatar, the largest city.
Hawaii looking good
Not necessarily âlol jk itâs goneâ the bombs from the tv show are small nukes smallllllllll. Like Davie Crocket small
The nukes in Fallout lore has always been kinda small, 700 kilotons or smth
Correct but the tv show actually lets us measure the yield. I can look it up if you like. Google should be able to tell. This bombs are like the size of a mini nuke. Tell you the USA is fine- gotta remeber the radiation from a bomb is drastically less than a reactor- like the radiation will be gone in 2 weeks
The bombs detonating in Los Angeles in the first episode is def wayy more than a Mini Nuke, although I agree they seem a bit smaller than I would expect, but I don't know the blast size for every nuclear weapon in existence
The bombs in the show were way bigger than tactical nukes. https://youtu.be/tLEAuapfwHc?si=J07U3hTpqQHB_7IL
Your right. They are smaller than little boy though
67 nukes on the Philippines⌠good bye my kababayan
Iâm pretty sure theyâd all hit Manila. And maybe larger cities like Davao and Cebu. Like, if most people were firing nukes and had a choice between nuking Manila again and hitting Lucena, most people would probably pick âNuke Manila Again.â
If I recall correctly, the Fallout 4 intro has the news broadcaster name drop the 5th Infantry Division as defending the "Island of Mambajao" (Camiguin.) This would mean it's a key defensive point in the Philippine campaign. If we assume that, as per the map, the Chinese had control over Mindanao, they'd probably nuke Mindanao more, while the Chinese would nuke Luzon and Visayas, maybe? I do think it's just a teeny bit odd that the Chinese would be holding the south of the country rather than the north half, though... though, of course, war and fortune are fickle sisters at the best of times. But yeah the Greater Manila Area is fucked in general, can't imagine the Americans in the Fallout TL trying to evenly spread development/investment to the rest of the country if they (or we) didn't do that in ours!
Alaska is completely unscathed by nuclear fire???
alaska is counted under the northwest commonwealth. they were not spared in the slightest
this also includes hawaii under the southwest commonwealth and puerto rico under the southeast commonwealth by the way
And Hawaii? Navy reserves and half of the active U.S army are completely fine according to this map
Well now we know how the enclave are so massive
Imagining an Enclave member decked out in power armor kicking back on a beach chair in Hawaii. Got a drink with one of those colored umbrella toothpicks in them too.
Itâs dornan, heâs feeling good after screaming at some privates whoâve lost their armour
Well, thereâs not much to Nuke in Alaska anyway, so itâs not too unlikely.
In our time line, in the fallout timeline I imagine there'd be a significant us military presence there after the Chinese invasion of Anchorage
I think the CCP would have written off Anchorage as a priority target, the city sprawl was already ravaged by the war. Honestly, I would not be surprised if Alaska (similar to the 1983 Doomsday TL) got back on its feet far sooner than the rest of the American homeland.
What is there to bomb in Alaska.
Military bases
Alaska was hit first. After China invaded Alaska there was extensive conventional war that lasted a long time, and it was in Alaska where the first nuclear attack took place.
Well they do have Anti-Nukes irl like at Fort Greely and Vandenburg.
China said âfuck Mexico in particularâ.
Twice as many nukes at the entirety of Canada lmao
But 3 times the population of Canada tho
In a much denser area though
Fr how are they only gonna nuke Canada 240 times but absolutely obliterate Mexico like that? đ
THREE TIME WORLD WAR CHAMPIONS BABEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! US US US US US
Smell that radioactive air! Couldn't you just drink it like booze?
Thatâs less than the amount of nuclear weapons we have currently
In the Fallout Universe, they were probably throwing around bombs with far, far higher yields than we went with in real life. Based on the evidence we have, a single bomb basically turned all of Rhode Island into a radioactive wasteland devoid of life, while another bomb landed in the middle pf Boston and barely knocked down the buildings around it. Same for DC
They must have went dlr dirty Bomba rather than pure detonation bombs. Most modern nukes are designed for big boom rather than high rads.
They did
According to the official lore, the warheads utilized were âlow yieldâ and intended to spread as much radiological activity as possible.
Yeah, fallout nukes are well known to be lower yield
Source for the Rhode Island stuff?
I mean, the glowing sea is approximately the direction where the Rhode Island border should be. The scaling is a bit off in the games, but that would appear to make sense based on context
The glowing sea isnât just bc of a dirty bomb. Itâs a dirty bomb being dropped on a nuclear power plant.
>Itâs a dirty bomb being dropped on a nuclear power plant. That's already been discussed, But the Nuclear power plant at County Crossing puts out even more Radiation than the one in the Glowing Sea, So I doubt that's what caused the glowing sea, More likely the lower yield and the way the Bomb's been maximise to have more Radiation, Almost like the very similar way of a [Salted Bomb](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salted_bomb). >The County Crossing nuclear power plant to the southwest is irradiated, reaching up to +56 rads at the base of each containment sphere. >An average strategic warhead in 2077 had a yield of about 200-750 kilotons, but with a massive increase in radioactive fallout in place of thermal shock. However, despite the apparent reduction in raw explosive power, this arsenal was far more dangerous to the Earth's ecosystem, as it deposited far greater amounts of fallout in the atmosphere than had been assumed by pre-War models.
I think a number if not the majority of the atomic weapons fired by either side would have been intercepted considering Mr Houses' (a private citizen albeit a very well connected one) progress in protecting Las Vegas.
What did Mexico do?
In a hypothetical USA vs China war, most US manufacturing would likely move to Mexico. It's close, cheap, and has a large population eager for work.
Ermm, why don't they do that irl?
Funnily enough it is happening now! The largest industrial zone in the world spans over a considerable sector of the Texas-Mexican border. China is no longer a nation of peasant farmers. The average Chinese working age male has a college education and isn't willing to work for cheap anymore.
I go to Hawaii! https://preview.redd.it/vdgaq868663d1.jpeg?width=1107&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b2782f569a188922291a7d2a6126c0edfba4bc0
As a New Englander I resent the idea that we'd receive the lowest amount of nukes of the lower 48. Without globalization taking hold and an increase in domestic american weapons production New England would be the heartland of small arms and aircraft manufacturing. That's worth a few dozen more nukes hitting us I'll have you know.
You're also the farthest away from China.
As an Alaskan, you are the first person from the lower 48 that I've seen call it the lower 48.
Shouldn't Myanmar/Burma and Cambodia have different flags?
puerto rico: ok
*sips tea in the UK*
Youâve wouldâve been dead long before the Great War, the UK was a part of the collasped-into-warfare European Commonwealth.
*sips tea from the skulls of his enemies in the UK*
Thatâs more like it
So where was that island I heard of a few years ago that is uninhabited by humans? Itâs sounding better by the second! On a side note: Has Amazon built teleporters for delivering packages yet? Yeah, Mr. Bezos before you use your wealth to escape to some vault in space (wonder what experiment Vault Tec planned in space) Iâma need one of those package tele-porter thingyâs to bring with me⌠(PS: [unofficially] Was/Would Vault-Tec started by Elon Musk? Or would he be the institute? Or both!?)
if its a space vault its likely enclave not vault tech
Vault Tec is closer to Amazon than anything. Elon isnât smart enough to have founded the Institute. Heâd more likely have built West Tek, a military contractor, and a shoddy one at that.
I recently read Annie Jacobsenâs âNuclear Scenarioâ, and it makes the case that this would quickly become a civilization-ending event, though perhaps not full human extinction.
Would you recommend buying the book? It's on sale rn and I'm curious
It is well researched, well written, and compelling. I wouldnât say I enjoyed it, though, but Iâm glad I read it.
If Cambodia is a Chinese Puppet, does that mean Pol Pot was never lost power
Oh no
A fallout set in China or any of the territories would be sick
I never understood why the Soviet Union is barely mentioned even though it exists in the Fallout universe.
I feel like the total nukes used should be closer to 80,000 rather than 8,000. The peak Cold War arsenals of the US and USSR were around 20,000-30,000 each, and Iâd imagine numbers should be similar in the Fallout universe given the absurd level of tech used by both sides. Other than that, cool map.
I'm pretty sure the D.C. area was hit with more then a few nukes.
it just feels china got the nuked
I think 40K+ nuclear detonations would be more accurate
So many benefits living in Puerto Rico: youâre basically one of the states but you wonât get nuked when it comes to that
My question is why are so much of the major cities still standing. Would a nuke not level a big chunk of Boston and Washington and LA?
the lore would indicate that china was nuked much less hard, since america didnt fully unleash its arsanel.
That's what's confirmed; but the whole world got hit.
Japan got off pretty easily with 52 nukesâŚ
Consider that the southern hemisphere is relatively okay in the years followingÂ