Educational courses, you can borrow video games, internet access/work/study areas if you need a break from home and don't want to spend $10 a coffee in some overpriced spot. They also tend to have decent internet connections in general I've found.
Oh, they have books too I guess.
You're right. Libraries do rock.
They'll only ship them if they are part of a library alliance or partnership.
The libraries in my college town recently left the state-wide alliance/partnership between public libraries and university libraries. It's like 4-6 week wait on average for a damn book.
This! Libraries fucking rule! Intra-library loans are awesome, and if you’re really lucky your local library with have all sorts of cool stuff beyond just books (which are wonderful, not to undersell them, books are just the best) like movies and even video games (one of my friends lives in Boise, Idaho and evidently the local library there has video games to borrow)!
The way that played out is pretty cringy in the comics, with 2021 glasses of course, but it also wasn't exactly the best even back then.
I am really glad they chose this way of going about it, instead of having him date Eve and the other weird stuff.
In a cartoon he literally says he had a sex with his boyfriend. If it isn't revealingly enough I don't know what is
Also it might mean he is bisexual, but there was a high probability he isn't
I was talking about William’s birth year, if Invincible’s season 1 was set in 2021, and Mark and William are 17, they were born in 2004
Or could be 2003
I think Omni Man still had some good in him here, he could have turned Mark’s friend into a red mist or tortured him but he didn’t.
At this point, Omni Man was still heavily conflicted I imagine. He tried to turn it off once he began battling with Mark
The tension in this scene was absolutely insane, and incredibly stressful.
One of my biggest (and one of my only) issues with the comic is how quickly it glanced past Omni-Man betraying Earth. In the show, it's this great build-up of characters suspecting and slowly finding out it was Nolan who killed the Guardians, and it does wonders at building the tension between everyone, only for it to blow up in everyone's faces in the climax.
Nolan didn't kill William because he didn't feel he need to, like he felt he needed to kill the Guardians. However, his senseless killing during his and Mark's confrontation was a futile attempt to show Mark how meaningless human life was, something Nolan deep down didn't even believe himself.
The nuance of the show is fantastic, and I can't wait to see the rest of the comic adapted.
Tbh the fight in the comics wasnt nearly as bad as it was in the show, but I agree with you, the comics didnt really explore the ramifications of his actions after he came back to Earth other than banning him from being able to live there. And even then, they had something set up for him on the moon.
One of the things I look forward to the most is how the show approaches his redemption arc because after the shit he pulled....I just cant see it lmfao
I absolutely agree. I really like how hardcore they went with the show compared to the comic, I'm a huge fan of it. Making the Guardians battle 5+ minutes, having Nolan kill thousands of civilians while beating the living fuck out of Mark.
I'm hella excited to see future events, like the Invincible War, adapted into nuts-to-butts animation.
I preferred when Nolan just completed jobbed the Guardians, it showed he was smart and wasn't fucking around. But I agree on making the mark fight more bloody
I think they did a good job with the Guardians fight in the show as well. Having him stomp the Guardians was cool, for the reasons you mentioned, but the way they did it in the show was cool as well, because it showed that he was strong, yeah, but he wasn't invincible, and the Guardians actually stood a chance at winning.
Also, the build-up to Nolan's first murder (crushing Red Rush's head like a fucking grape) was extremely well done. You don't understand why he's fighting these people, but that moment shows you that he's not fucking around here. He's out for blood.
Never read the comics, but even I was thinking how it would have been cool if they hadn’t revealed that Omniman killed the Guardians until the last couple of episodes.
I won't spoil much, but the comic version of the battle is only a couple of panels long, and it's just Nolan wiping them out. They never get the chance to fight back.
Also in the comic, no one has the suspicion of it being Nolan. Cecil finds out the exact same time Mark does (which is when Nolan kills Immortal the second time), so the mystery of having certain characters find out about it isn't there.
Having us find out who killed the Guardians at the same time Mark does would have been cool, but I think it worked the best with the audience knowing, as it was able to better build the suspense between Nolan and the other characters, like William, Debbie, and Cecil.
The comics are actually amazing though. The rest of the comic doesn't feel rushed like the Omni-Man arc does.
I can see both ways of telling story working. I do think overall, the current story in the show improves on the comics, which I felt were already pretty good.
The comics are great because he doesn't kill the guardians until later on. Like it happens in like the third VOLUME. So you get to really see he's a good dad. He also doesn't look scary like the show version does a lot of the time. So it feels more out of character when he kills. I suggest reading the comic. It's not exactly what you proposed but still. The comics have a more fun atmosphere. I like it. I haven't finished it so I don't know exactly when the fun vibe ends but it's still kinda there a little bit after the Omni man leaves.
I think it was his fucked up way to show how Humans were inferior to Viltrumites. Showing how fragile human lives are to where it’s no different than stepping on a bug, so Mark would realize that he can move to bigger and better things with the Empire.
It’s fucked up.
I think it’s just as much Nolan trying to convince himself of what he’s saying as it is convincing Mark
He’s had a whole ass life on Earth for years; it’s not easy to just rip off that band aid so he’s trying to prove to himself Viltrumites and their cause come before human life
>I think it’s just as much Nolan trying to convince himself of what he’s saying as it is convincing Mark
>He’s had a whole ass life on Earth for years; it’s not easy to just rip off that band aid so he’s trying to prove to himself Viltrumites and their cause come before human life
But his actual life has been thousands of years, hasn't it? His time on earth way only like 50 years, it's relatively nothing.
If he's only 2000 years old, and was with her for 20 years, that's kind of like a year long relationship, so not exactly a fling, but not really a long term thing.
20 is only 1 percent of 2000. Nolan was with Debbie 1 percent of his life. I think you can classify that as a fling. Im 36 so thats like if I dated someone for 4 months.
The last 5 years of your life is "relatively nothing" as well, but I doubt you'd just say fuck it and abandon all the friends you've made in that time, nor care about any improvements in your life from that time.
A lot of parents actually do that. “I had to mow the lawn no breaks and no water growing up and now you’re complaining because it’s hot?!” Type of parenting
Short answer is he's the one who lays the groundwork for a Viltrumite invasion. His job was to eliminate any potential threats to the Empire to ensure a (relatively) smooth transition of power with the Viltrumite Empire holding all the cards.
If I had to guess, the heroes, while not as strong as the Viltrumites, were still rallying points and figureheads to the populace and could have sown dissent and rebellion that the Empire would have to pacify, costing them time and resources. By taking the heroes out and leaving their killer a mystery, it destabilizes the population, fills them with fear and doubt, and takes out their best line of defense against an invasion which would leave them vulnerable and easy to conquer.
It may have made *his* job harder, but overall it would make the invasion and subjugation itself easier.
Idk, in the show they nearly kill him, so I can see why he would want to get rid of them. Hell, one of the “weaker” members of the Guardians does the most damage to him in about three seconds, as he’s being killed. Can you imagine how differently this would have gone down if someone warned (cough, cough) them or they weren’t pulling punches?
Yes, the entirety of the strongest team on Earth came close to killing him, a single (admittedly powerful) Viltrumite.
I can't actually imagine them doing much themselves in an actual invasion, when there'd be who knows how many more Viltrumites.
Well it’s not that the Viltrum empire would have any trouble 1v1 Earth. But as Nolan Grayson (the dad)‘a own explanation, Viltrum’s own explanation, the empire is spread thin. Look how long it took him to have a son, and he wasn’t even sure mark would become a viltrumite. The whole reason he’s there is because they are low in people (relative to the vastness of the viltrum empire), and there’s a lot of planets to administer. The Viltrum empire is certainly capable of sending a temporary attack force to conquer the planet, but long term they will probably only have limited Viltrumite administrators and limited support staff. They can’t keep that invasion force on Earth when there’s other planets to conquer. A guerrilla resistance supported by large portions of the earth, that can gang up on a viltrumite (and they nearly killed ultraman, and he’s supposedly very strong, if the administrators are any weaker, they would die). [Invincible speech](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=484EqQiCIMk)
Skip to 45 secs for his speech, and at 1:45 to where he talks about why it’s only him and how spread out they are
If they adapt everything you’ll understand, I’m not going to spoil the comic. If you’re super curious just read the comics; actually just read the comics anyway because they’re excellent!
I feel he intentionally took a fair amount of the damage to sell the fact that it was an outside attacker and if you're talking about RR I don't think he did any significant damage.
Edit: After rewatching he did bruise his chest a bit and Nolan coughed up a bit of blood so he got some work in for sure.
Then you missed the part where he was punching him so hard he shattered his hands whilst causing massive friction burns and internal bleeding (when OM starts have a nose bleed and to cough up blood).
If you'll check my edit I immediately rewatched and admitted fault. I must have missed the blood cough the first time I watched it. His death was the worst for me.
I've always had a thing for speedsters as well. The fact that they gave RR that solo scene with his girlfriend and the conversation they had is absolutely brutal. Ugh If only he had kept playing defense!
Countries are always weakest during regime change. That’s when coups are best executed. It feels like he killed the other heroes kind of early. Ideally the invasion would have started very soon after so they didn’t have time to rebuild a new team.
Omni man also knows that with the OG guardians gone there really isn’t anyone else. Whoever they find to replace them absolutely won’t be stronger than the originals
Omniman didn’t move on with his mission until he knew his son had powers/was in some way a viltrumite.
After that he starts to weaken earth by killing the guardians.
Could he have waited longer with that? Possibly but it would ‘ve been a different story altogether.
He only killed people who stood in his way at first and then in front (literally) of mark to demonstrate how worthless human life is. He doesn’t enjoy killing, he just doesn’t mind it. Killing Mark’s friend would only be a headache for him.
I get him not killing the friend. But the soldiers in his house I'm like...I mean I don't even know why they have guns. Like the guns are gonna do something :p
He opted to try and scare and intimidate him into submission. How many people have to die before Mark joins him? You can’t stop me by fighting me, stop me by joining me.
No, it was because there was no reason - if this had been later when he was trying to convince Mark that humans were worthless he may have done it, but at this point there was literally nothing to be gained by doing so.
I don't think "not murdering someone pointlessly" makes someone have "some good in him."
Like, Nolan "did" have some good in him. But even if he did not, why would he want to waste even a millisecond of his time to murder Mark's friend? Even if he was fully evil, he would have known that it would be more difficult to convince Mark to obey him and follow his plans for world domination if he murdered his friend for no reason. It would have been irrational from an evil perspective to do so, as far as I can tell.
It took him nearly murdering his own son for him to reveal a bit of the good within him, and along the way he murders countless humans as though they were insects. If he thought that murdering William would somehow help him to dominate the world or convince Mark to follow him - he would have done so in a heartbeat, I truly believe that.
At this point in the story? Absolutely, you’re correct. Further on? Well, you’ll just have to keep watching and see.*
*Unless you’ve already read the comics, then ya know already, lol.
I haven't read the comics, but I admit that I spoiled myself quite a bit already. Something I hope is rectified partially by simple lapse of memory between now and when the next season of the show comes out. If not for my memory of the little details in things like shows or comics being able to fade decently over time, I wouldn't be able to enjoy rewatching or rereading things every once in a while - so I find this to be a bit of a blessing.
With that said, I'm basing anything I say here on the show itself - not on the comics.
I don't think so, I think he just figured that was the best way to get the information. If anything, it showed how controlled he was, that even when furious about to his limit, he still made the most tactically sound choice. Not that he held back giving the impression he was one wrong word away from throwing that car into the sun.
Eh I don’t think it’s *goodness* here, he actually just hopes Mark will join him at this point and murdering his best friend wouldn’t exactly help that cause. Like an hour after this he mass murders hundreds of people for no reason at all
Honestly there are Stands that OM would totally get his ass kicked by. Like The World, Star Platinum, King Crimson, GER, and D4C would wreck his shit pretty hard.
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This is an impeccable execution. Masterfully done. A life well spent for this. Thy name shall be inscribed into plates amongst the legends who've lived upon this Earth. Truly a remarkable feat. Well done William.
You gotta give Nolan credit, he COULD have murdered William in cold blood like he did to ALL the other people when confronting his son, why didnt Nolan spared William? Was he too soft to kill a kid that is his son's friend? At this point of the story it might foreshadow that Nolan was not a bad person and he had not completely bad intentions, and beating Mark was the trigger for him to think about his actions¿?
Might also have to do with the fact that Nolan knew he was going to have to talk to Mark and sway him, after all Mark was raised as a human for most of his life. Killing his best friend would be counterproductive at that point in time.
Also, at that point Omniman hadn't taken out anyone that wasn't considered a threat (the heroes) or who was actively working against him (Cecil's team).
I wondered if he didn't kill William as William had shown him respect and deference. If he'd been cheeky like the meme, he'd be a red smear.
He kills the Guardians, but one of the first scenes we see them giving Nolan the cold shoulder as they battle at the White House. So I see him metaphorically biting his tongue until Mark gets his powers and change of plans.
As for the many civilian deaths - they were noone to him. Strangers. Plenty more where they came from.
William never understood what the internet meant when they said they wanted Omni-Man to "Destroy" them. In search of clout and with a fresh daddy kink, William is about to learn that they meant a very different kind of "Destroy" than he imagined
Idk I think it’s sweet in a fucked is kinda way the way omni man cared for his family. Like idk the comic but I guy who has probably spent thousands of years at war and killing. Not just going full blast, legitimately loving Debbie and his son. Though I think how much Omni man has changed is highlighted here. Yes there’s tension but omni man didn’t like snap Wills back for such a minor inconvenience, I mean someone who is no more than an insect causing inconvenience to a war breed killing machine…
Rip William ????-2021
Died like he lived: with a fist up his butt.
I find it funny because he wasn’t revealed to be gay until way later in the comics, like issue 70-90
I didn't even realize it was consistent with the comics, I figured it was just a decision made for the show! I'm glad it's included though
Bro in the comics he dates Eve it’s crazy
where can i find the comics for free?
Your local library. If they don’t have them, they can have it shipped over. That’s how I read them, and the copies I read came from two states away.
Thanks, I don’t have a comic shop anywhere nearby so guess imma have to get it shipped.
No problem! Libraries are a really great resource for a lot of things.
Educational courses, you can borrow video games, internet access/work/study areas if you need a break from home and don't want to spend $10 a coffee in some overpriced spot. They also tend to have decent internet connections in general I've found. Oh, they have books too I guess. You're right. Libraries do rock.
Also on the kindle store or at least the compendium is
Check whether your library participates with Hoopla. They have the full run digitally for free
Thanks I’ll find out
They'll only ship them if they are part of a library alliance or partnership. The libraries in my college town recently left the state-wide alliance/partnership between public libraries and university libraries. It's like 4-6 week wait on average for a damn book.
Only 4-6 weeks? Our library is part of the state-wide whatever and it's regularly 6+ months for some books.
Man what i’d do for more spectacular Spider-Man
This! Libraries fucking rule! Intra-library loans are awesome, and if you’re really lucky your local library with have all sorts of cool stuff beyond just books (which are wonderful, not to undersell them, books are just the best) like movies and even video games (one of my friends lives in Boise, Idaho and evidently the local library there has video games to borrow)!
Read comics online, but you didn't hear it from me bro.
Google “read invincible online free” make sure you have an Adblock on or you’ll get a bunch of pop ups
Online, just search up invincible comic
Google i suppose
The local library or local comic shop
Is that what turned him gay?
Yes, one of Eve's powers is turning people gay.
The way that played out is pretty cringy in the comics, with 2021 glasses of course, but it also wasn't exactly the best even back then. I am really glad they chose this way of going about it, instead of having him date Eve and the other weird stuff.
In a cartoon he literally says he had a sex with his boyfriend. If it isn't revealingly enough I don't know what is Also it might mean he is bisexual, but there was a high probability he isn't
Jesus christ man
Nah, this time it was Omni-man.
And "Deez nuts" on his lips.
2004 I think
The animated series is in a year like 2015-2022 with all the technology.
I was talking about William’s birth year, if Invincible’s season 1 was set in 2021, and Mark and William are 17, they were born in 2004 Or could be 2003
True
Nolan flies away, tears in his eyes
I’d rather die before I spend another minute living among these animals
I think Omni Man still had some good in him here, he could have turned Mark’s friend into a red mist or tortured him but he didn’t. At this point, Omni Man was still heavily conflicted I imagine. He tried to turn it off once he began battling with Mark
The tension in this scene was absolutely insane, and incredibly stressful. One of my biggest (and one of my only) issues with the comic is how quickly it glanced past Omni-Man betraying Earth. In the show, it's this great build-up of characters suspecting and slowly finding out it was Nolan who killed the Guardians, and it does wonders at building the tension between everyone, only for it to blow up in everyone's faces in the climax. Nolan didn't kill William because he didn't feel he need to, like he felt he needed to kill the Guardians. However, his senseless killing during his and Mark's confrontation was a futile attempt to show Mark how meaningless human life was, something Nolan deep down didn't even believe himself. The nuance of the show is fantastic, and I can't wait to see the rest of the comic adapted.
Yeah half of that was to convince himself. Just like the pet line.
Tbh the fight in the comics wasnt nearly as bad as it was in the show, but I agree with you, the comics didnt really explore the ramifications of his actions after he came back to Earth other than banning him from being able to live there. And even then, they had something set up for him on the moon. One of the things I look forward to the most is how the show approaches his redemption arc because after the shit he pulled....I just cant see it lmfao
Comic Nolan did some pretty heinous shit, but it's dialed to 11 for the show. I can't wait to see how they spin everything up, later on.
I absolutely agree. I really like how hardcore they went with the show compared to the comic, I'm a huge fan of it. Making the Guardians battle 5+ minutes, having Nolan kill thousands of civilians while beating the living fuck out of Mark. I'm hella excited to see future events, like the Invincible War, adapted into nuts-to-butts animation.
*Nuts-to-butts Nuts-to-butts*
I preferred when Nolan just completed jobbed the Guardians, it showed he was smart and wasn't fucking around. But I agree on making the mark fight more bloody
I think they did a good job with the Guardians fight in the show as well. Having him stomp the Guardians was cool, for the reasons you mentioned, but the way they did it in the show was cool as well, because it showed that he was strong, yeah, but he wasn't invincible, and the Guardians actually stood a chance at winning. Also, the build-up to Nolan's first murder (crushing Red Rush's head like a fucking grape) was extremely well done. You don't understand why he's fighting these people, but that moment shows you that he's not fucking around here. He's out for blood.
The comic explored the ramifications on Mark and Debbie A LOT. Just not the city itself. And...well the show does the same thing
Never read the comics, but even I was thinking how it would have been cool if they hadn’t revealed that Omniman killed the Guardians until the last couple of episodes.
I won't spoil much, but the comic version of the battle is only a couple of panels long, and it's just Nolan wiping them out. They never get the chance to fight back. Also in the comic, no one has the suspicion of it being Nolan. Cecil finds out the exact same time Mark does (which is when Nolan kills Immortal the second time), so the mystery of having certain characters find out about it isn't there. Having us find out who killed the Guardians at the same time Mark does would have been cool, but I think it worked the best with the audience knowing, as it was able to better build the suspense between Nolan and the other characters, like William, Debbie, and Cecil. The comics are actually amazing though. The rest of the comic doesn't feel rushed like the Omni-Man arc does.
I can see both ways of telling story working. I do think overall, the current story in the show improves on the comics, which I felt were already pretty good.
The comics are great because he doesn't kill the guardians until later on. Like it happens in like the third VOLUME. So you get to really see he's a good dad. He also doesn't look scary like the show version does a lot of the time. So it feels more out of character when he kills. I suggest reading the comic. It's not exactly what you proposed but still. The comics have a more fun atmosphere. I like it. I haven't finished it so I don't know exactly when the fun vibe ends but it's still kinda there a little bit after the Omni man leaves.
I dunno why he bothered killing anyone. Like it wasn't necessary and just made his job harder. I guess he liked Killin: p
I think it was his fucked up way to show how Humans were inferior to Viltrumites. Showing how fragile human lives are to where it’s no different than stepping on a bug, so Mark would realize that he can move to bigger and better things with the Empire. It’s fucked up.
I think it’s just as much Nolan trying to convince himself of what he’s saying as it is convincing Mark He’s had a whole ass life on Earth for years; it’s not easy to just rip off that band aid so he’s trying to prove to himself Viltrumites and their cause come before human life
>I think it’s just as much Nolan trying to convince himself of what he’s saying as it is convincing Mark >He’s had a whole ass life on Earth for years; it’s not easy to just rip off that band aid so he’s trying to prove to himself Viltrumites and their cause come before human life But his actual life has been thousands of years, hasn't it? His time on earth way only like 50 years, it's relatively nothing.
His wife was basically a fling.
If he's only 2000 years old, and was with her for 20 years, that's kind of like a year long relationship, so not exactly a fling, but not really a long term thing.
20 is only 1 percent of 2000. Nolan was with Debbie 1 percent of his life. I think you can classify that as a fling. Im 36 so thats like if I dated someone for 4 months.
I was rounding a human lifespan to 100 years.
True but he still had connections on earth he clearly cared about a lot; arguably in a less hostile setting then the Viltrumite empire
The last 5 years of your life is "relatively nothing" as well, but I doubt you'd just say fuck it and abandon all the friends you've made in that time, nor care about any improvements in your life from that time.
My best guess is that it’s that bizarre desire to pass on your trauma. “I had to endure this awfulness, so now so will you!”
It happens IRL, not that absurd it could happen to omni man
A lot of parents actually do that. “I had to mow the lawn no breaks and no water growing up and now you’re complaining because it’s hot?!” Type of parenting
Lmao… bugs… ants…
Short answer is he's the one who lays the groundwork for a Viltrumite invasion. His job was to eliminate any potential threats to the Empire to ensure a (relatively) smooth transition of power with the Viltrumite Empire holding all the cards. If I had to guess, the heroes, while not as strong as the Viltrumites, were still rallying points and figureheads to the populace and could have sown dissent and rebellion that the Empire would have to pacify, costing them time and resources. By taking the heroes out and leaving their killer a mystery, it destabilizes the population, fills them with fear and doubt, and takes out their best line of defense against an invasion which would leave them vulnerable and easy to conquer. It may have made *his* job harder, but overall it would make the invasion and subjugation itself easier.
Idk, in the show they nearly kill him, so I can see why he would want to get rid of them. Hell, one of the “weaker” members of the Guardians does the most damage to him in about three seconds, as he’s being killed. Can you imagine how differently this would have gone down if someone warned (cough, cough) them or they weren’t pulling punches?
Yes, the entirety of the strongest team on Earth came close to killing him, a single (admittedly powerful) Viltrumite. I can't actually imagine them doing much themselves in an actual invasion, when there'd be who knows how many more Viltrumites.
Well it’s not that the Viltrum empire would have any trouble 1v1 Earth. But as Nolan Grayson (the dad)‘a own explanation, Viltrum’s own explanation, the empire is spread thin. Look how long it took him to have a son, and he wasn’t even sure mark would become a viltrumite. The whole reason he’s there is because they are low in people (relative to the vastness of the viltrum empire), and there’s a lot of planets to administer. The Viltrum empire is certainly capable of sending a temporary attack force to conquer the planet, but long term they will probably only have limited Viltrumite administrators and limited support staff. They can’t keep that invasion force on Earth when there’s other planets to conquer. A guerrilla resistance supported by large portions of the earth, that can gang up on a viltrumite (and they nearly killed ultraman, and he’s supposedly very strong, if the administrators are any weaker, they would die). [Invincible speech](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=484EqQiCIMk) Skip to 45 secs for his speech, and at 1:45 to where he talks about why it’s only him and how spread out they are
Sure, and I get that, what I meant was that the Guardians ultimately would contribute more as figureheads for Earth than as actual fighters.
Why the cough? Who could have warned them? Genuinely asking.
If they adapt everything you’ll understand, I’m not going to spoil the comic. If you’re super curious just read the comics; actually just read the comics anyway because they’re excellent!
I've been watching youtube clips for the past hour and I know what you mean now. Way more satisfying!
I feel he intentionally took a fair amount of the damage to sell the fact that it was an outside attacker and if you're talking about RR I don't think he did any significant damage. Edit: After rewatching he did bruise his chest a bit and Nolan coughed up a bit of blood so he got some work in for sure.
Then you missed the part where he was punching him so hard he shattered his hands whilst causing massive friction burns and internal bleeding (when OM starts have a nose bleed and to cough up blood).
If you'll check my edit I immediately rewatched and admitted fault. I must have missed the blood cough the first time I watched it. His death was the worst for me.
God same, especially considering those 1-3 seconds to us probably took minutes or hours to RR.
I've always had a thing for speedsters as well. The fact that they gave RR that solo scene with his girlfriend and the conversation they had is absolutely brutal. Ugh If only he had kept playing defense!
Countries are always weakest during regime change. That’s when coups are best executed. It feels like he killed the other heroes kind of early. Ideally the invasion would have started very soon after so they didn’t have time to rebuild a new team.
Omni man also knows that with the OG guardians gone there really isn’t anyone else. Whoever they find to replace them absolutely won’t be stronger than the originals
Omniman didn’t move on with his mission until he knew his son had powers/was in some way a viltrumite. After that he starts to weaken earth by killing the guardians. Could he have waited longer with that? Possibly but it would ‘ve been a different story altogether.
I disagree as now Cecil is preparing the earth for battle, which wouldn’t have happen if he didn’t kill anybody
He only killed people who stood in his way at first and then in front (literally) of mark to demonstrate how worthless human life is. He doesn’t enjoy killing, he just doesn’t mind it. Killing Mark’s friend would only be a headache for him.
I get him not killing the friend. But the soldiers in his house I'm like...I mean I don't even know why they have guns. Like the guns are gonna do something :p
Makes the soldiers feel better. Like a safety blanket.
About as effective too.
nah, you can hide under a safety blanket :P
Oh boy, here I go killing again!
He opted to try and scare and intimidate him into submission. How many people have to die before Mark joins him? You can’t stop me by fighting me, stop me by joining me.
I think it was more that he thought he could still salvage the situation
Yeah he was still pretty much under cover and had no reason to suspect will knew.
He didn't kill him because that would definitely not help bring Mark to his side, it'd do the opposite.
No, it was because there was no reason - if this had been later when he was trying to convince Mark that humans were worthless he may have done it, but at this point there was literally nothing to be gained by doing so.
I don't think "not murdering someone pointlessly" makes someone have "some good in him." Like, Nolan "did" have some good in him. But even if he did not, why would he want to waste even a millisecond of his time to murder Mark's friend? Even if he was fully evil, he would have known that it would be more difficult to convince Mark to obey him and follow his plans for world domination if he murdered his friend for no reason. It would have been irrational from an evil perspective to do so, as far as I can tell. It took him nearly murdering his own son for him to reveal a bit of the good within him, and along the way he murders countless humans as though they were insects. If he thought that murdering William would somehow help him to dominate the world or convince Mark to follow him - he would have done so in a heartbeat, I truly believe that.
At this point in the story? Absolutely, you’re correct. Further on? Well, you’ll just have to keep watching and see.* *Unless you’ve already read the comics, then ya know already, lol.
I haven't read the comics, but I admit that I spoiled myself quite a bit already. Something I hope is rectified partially by simple lapse of memory between now and when the next season of the show comes out. If not for my memory of the little details in things like shows or comics being able to fade decently over time, I wouldn't be able to enjoy rewatching or rereading things every once in a while - so I find this to be a bit of a blessing. With that said, I'm basing anything I say here on the show itself - not on the comics.
Oh you should definitely read the comics, they are excellent!
Yes. Good job omniman for only killing 1534 civilians instead of 1535
I don't think so, I think he just figured that was the best way to get the information. If anything, it showed how controlled he was, that even when furious about to his limit, he still made the most tactically sound choice. Not that he held back giving the impression he was one wrong word away from throwing that car into the sun.
At this point the mask was still a little bit on. He killed so senselessly later to prove a point.
Not really. You don't stop to squish every ant you see. Most of the later deaths were just to make a point.
Eh I don’t think it’s *goodness* here, he actually just hopes Mark will join him at this point and murdering his best friend wouldn’t exactly help that cause. Like an hour after this he mass murders hundreds of people for no reason at all
*"We'll be right back"*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBYdMrUd0w0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vI0UcUxzrQ
Thank you for those. It made me chuckle.
Oh shit, I was not prepared for that stroll down memory lane
"Sorry Mr Grayson, he's with Candice" "Candice? Who's Candice?" "... *inhales*"
Last inhale he'll ever take.
Worth it
An orbital cannon can't destroy Omni Man, but Will sure can.
I honestly don’t know the answer to this.
*cough* CANDICE DICK FIT IN YOUR MOUTH *fucking dies*
If Omniman can take giant ass punches, I think he can handle that no problem.
Ass punches 😏
> cough CANDICE DICK FIT IN YOUR MOUTH _Omni-Man looks him right in the eye._ "Yes, William. It can. But don't tell Debra."
Deez nuts, gottem
Pretty sure Candice gottem
Who the fuck is Candice
Candice dick fit in yo mouf?
*tires squealing*
It was worth it. Makes him more like the comic William.
Oh yeah comic William would definitely do this
*In the afterlife* William: Totally worth it
*To be continued*
Queues Roundabout by Yes....
*William pulls out his Stand*
Honestly there are Stands that OM would totally get his ass kicked by. Like The World, Star Platinum, King Crimson, GER, and D4C would wreck his shit pretty hard.
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In this alternate universe William dies. Slowly. Long after he’s given the real answer.
Allen the Alien, flying to Earth to warn Invincible of the Viltrumite on his planet, suddenly collides with a scrawny twink hurtling through space at Mach 10.
This is an impeccable execution. Masterfully done. A life well spent for this. Thy name shall be inscribed into plates amongst the legends who've lived upon this Earth. Truly a remarkable feat. Well done William.
The real reason he had to leave
Sadly it was not William who died Omni-man was so devastated that he and self died after asking that
*Dies like a fucking legend*
I don't get it
You should ask your friend Candice.
That just raises more questions
Dee - deez nutz - this nuts Candice - candice dick fit in your mouth
Low key when this scene happened I was worried Omni would kill him.
Yooo I was thinking, in terms of prices.
You gotta give Nolan credit, he COULD have murdered William in cold blood like he did to ALL the other people when confronting his son, why didnt Nolan spared William? Was he too soft to kill a kid that is his son's friend? At this point of the story it might foreshadow that Nolan was not a bad person and he had not completely bad intentions, and beating Mark was the trigger for him to think about his actions¿?
Might also have to do with the fact that Nolan knew he was going to have to talk to Mark and sway him, after all Mark was raised as a human for most of his life. Killing his best friend would be counterproductive at that point in time. Also, at that point Omniman hadn't taken out anyone that wasn't considered a threat (the heroes) or who was actively working against him (Cecil's team).
I wondered if he didn't kill William as William had shown him respect and deference. If he'd been cheeky like the meme, he'd be a red smear. He kills the Guardians, but one of the first scenes we see them giving Nolan the cold shoulder as they battle at the White House. So I see him metaphorically biting his tongue until Mark gets his powers and change of plans. As for the many civilian deaths - they were noone to him. Strangers. Plenty more where they came from.
The 13 year old kid
I laughed way to hard at this. Well done.
The next panel is omni man leaving the planet with tears in his eyes.
William never understood what the internet meant when they said they wanted Omni-Man to "Destroy" them. In search of clout and with a fresh daddy kink, William is about to learn that they meant a very different kind of "Destroy" than he imagined
I GOT DESTROYED BY OMNI-MAN AT 3 AM!!! (NOT CLICKBAIT) (GONE WRONG) (I GOT HOSPITALIZED) (POLICE WERE CALLED) (I LOST MY SHOE)
He died braver than any of us
Finally. Some good fucking memes.
"Deez nu-" -William, 2020.
William went off like a madlad
Worth it
William: Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of my power Entire Viltrumite population:
RIP Mark, gone but not forgooten
Dees nuts
And that was the end of William Clockwell.
"He is with Joe" "Whose Joe" "Joe Mama"
**Proceeds to get thrown trough the other house**
Idk I think it’s sweet in a fucked is kinda way the way omni man cared for his family. Like idk the comic but I guy who has probably spent thousands of years at war and killing. Not just going full blast, legitimately loving Debbie and his son. Though I think how much Omni man has changed is highlighted here. Yes there’s tension but omni man didn’t like snap Wills back for such a minor inconvenience, I mean someone who is no more than an insect causing inconvenience to a war breed killing machine…
And williams car was crushed into a cube by omni man then and there.
Don't fucking say it!
Is a child molesting robot? It’s beautiful
Poor kid got turned into minced meat in nano-seconds
Goblin
So the question is how did Omni man kill him? My guess is he maintained a cold, silent stare and then just threw the car into space.
Ahh technology x creativity. It’s beautiful
*Wake up at the pearly gates* Worth it!
At this point I'm too afraid to ask.
That was the last time we ever heard from William
[Guess William thinks he's...](https://c.tenor.com/HS-UTXgdOXQAAAAd/invincible.gif)
If you’re going out, go out with style
I love anything that involves William. I think he's my favorite character in the show.
He went over to Candices house
William's smug look had my dying. Great stuff
You really reallyyyy did that to OMNI MAN.
Some say that is the last face he ever made before his personality was blown through the back of his skull
Deez nuts
Deez Nutz
*Likes it up the butt
[удалено]
Personally, I don’t care about contributing to society. I’m just here to have fun.
This joke never fails to be unfunny and confusing
Deez nuts, lmfao gottem
Reminds me of [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maAIWplFWUw&t=0s) one a bit. Poor Steve Jobs.