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My guess is that Lindon and Yarin set it off by blowing up the Ancestor's Tomb, which wouldn't have happened if Suriel hadn't sent Lindon to her. The Labyrinth might have turned it on to draw power to repair the tomb.
So I'm not the only person who was suspicious about the ruins just conveniently emerging right around when Yerin and Lindon leave SV!
I always wondered if there was a connection intended that I just didn't pick up on
Yerin's expression changes when Jai Sen mentions that the ruins rose out of the Purelake seven days ago. I can't match that to anything significant though.
yeah I think will soft confirmed this at some point, it was definitely related to the events in the ancestors tomb, I forgot until my most recent reread that it was a divergence so I assumed it was the fact that a sage was interacting so heavily with the labyrinth.
When Yerin/Lindon first reach the ruins:
>"Seven or eight days ago, a team of Fishers were working the Purelake in the gray light of early morning.
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>...
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>Their guide was still watching Yerin for signs of a reaction, and his smile widened as she skipped a step, her eyes locked on the Ruins. Lindon was impressed by her resistance; he was afraid his own eyes had grown wider than teacups.
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>Before he could say something admiring the tale, Yerin spoke. “Seven days before now, did you say?”
Not sure how long it had been since they left SV (Lindon says he split his core only days before at the start of Soulsmith). So it could be when they collapsed the Tomb or perhaps more likely whatever Adama did inside the labyrinth just before bunch of jades finished him.
Lindon’s and Yerin meeting was not a divergence- as later confirmed by Makiel (‘You stayed within the rules…’)
It was probably Eithan’s presence there, and his activities - also ‘kind-of’ confirmed by Makiel (‘_He_ left something for his descendants…’), showing Eithan (and not able to penetrate the Veil…)
They mention that there's acceptable levels of deviations that their interference can cause. Her guiding Lindon at all caused it to deviate from the future where he married Jai Chen in SV.
But on its own, it's so insignificant a deviation on the world scale that it doesn't matter. On its own, the thing would have had no notable change for cradle. Jai Ling would have gotten the spear (maybe without losing his friend). He would still have gone on a killing spree against Jai clan and would have either been taken by Jai Daishou or killed. Either way, it'd have effects only at levels of Underlords. Not even enough to drastically alter the future of Blackflame Empire, let alone Cradle.
Quotes to support the point:
> The Eledari Pact only prevented Abidan from changing the destiny of a healthy Iteration. Saving one young man’s life wouldn’t have altered anything.
> Then Suriel’s actions had changed Lindon’s direction.
> On their own, neither of those changes had been significant. Together, they would be exponentially more dangerous. And more difficult to predict.
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> “Their actions would have affected all of Cradle,” the Hound said. “They would work for decades, changing the Iteration, and eventually derailing it entirely. I cannot see any further than thirty years in Cradle’s future.”
> This was a peace offering from Makiel to her, fixing the problem she had helped create while keeping her favored mortal intact.
I think it might specifically refer to Yerin, Lindon, and Eithan’s interactions that changed the fate of the transcendent ruins (the hunger spear, who dies, etc). So it would be a combination of Suriel and Eithan’s effects of fate.
I always thought the ruins awoke because the Sword Sage's remnant cutting the tomb in half in SV. Either that or when Yerin cause it to collapse the rest of the way on their way out of the tomb. This destruction just matches perfectly.
So I think this was pretty much confirmed in the [Unsouled SPOILER bonus scene](https://www.willwight.com/uploads/9/0/7/1/9071768/unsouled_bonus_spoiler_scene.pdf). Eithan would never have met with Lindon & Yerin if he hadn't detected the Abidan intervention to the West.
Them joining and the timeline of 30 years to the dreadgod attack, meant that they would change the fate of Cradle (remove the monarchs/fix the system)
In response they speed up their ascension so that they're unable to achieve that goal before they leave
Y'know, this made me realise that Eithan enabled Lindon to leave Sacred Valley in the first place. Adama wouldn't have headed to Sacred Valley in the first place without Eithan's influence.
Without Yerin being in Sacred Valley, Lindon would never have made it out.
> Adama wouldn't have headed to Sacred Valley in the first place without Eithan's influence.
He might have anyway, he needed to suppress her shadow before gold; but probably wouldn't have weakened himself in the labyrinth.
Just to add to this.
In Bloodline we hear that the tomb in sacred valley was repaired, I think Lindon mentions something about how quickly Heavens Glory had somehow repaired the tomb.
Given that we think the destruction caused by Yerin fighting Tims remnant is what caused the ruins to come up for repairs, this also implies the ruins in sacred valley repaired themself and it wasn't Heavens Glory. Which makes sense given their purpose.
I think this is related to Makiel accelerating fate or making changes to it after meeting Suriel and promising to leave her favored Sacred Artist alone. I think Jai Daisho messing with the Archstone was also influenced by Makiel.
I've been thinking maybe it has to do with Lindon and Jai Chen being tied together by fate. They were connected enough that they meet even with Suriels intervention, so maybe the ruins were basically forced to do so by reality itself because Jai Chen and Lindon were supposed to meet.
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My guess is that Lindon and Yarin set it off by blowing up the Ancestor's Tomb, which wouldn't have happened if Suriel hadn't sent Lindon to her. The Labyrinth might have turned it on to draw power to repair the tomb.
So I'm not the only person who was suspicious about the ruins just conveniently emerging right around when Yerin and Lindon leave SV! I always wondered if there was a connection intended that I just didn't pick up on
Yerin's expression changes when Jai Sen mentions that the ruins rose out of the Purelake seven days ago. I can't match that to anything significant though.
yeah I think will soft confirmed this at some point, it was definitely related to the events in the ancestors tomb, I forgot until my most recent reread that it was a divergence so I assumed it was the fact that a sage was interacting so heavily with the labyrinth.
When Yerin/Lindon first reach the ruins: >"Seven or eight days ago, a team of Fishers were working the Purelake in the gray light of early morning. > >... > >Their guide was still watching Yerin for signs of a reaction, and his smile widened as she skipped a step, her eyes locked on the Ruins. Lindon was impressed by her resistance; he was afraid his own eyes had grown wider than teacups. > >Before he could say something admiring the tale, Yerin spoke. “Seven days before now, did you say?” Not sure how long it had been since they left SV (Lindon says he split his core only days before at the start of Soulsmith). So it could be when they collapsed the Tomb or perhaps more likely whatever Adama did inside the labyrinth just before bunch of jades finished him.
Lindon says that the Ancestor's Tomb was "a week away on the Thousand-Mile Cloud," so the timing works out.
Lindon’s and Yerin meeting was not a divergence- as later confirmed by Makiel (‘You stayed within the rules…’) It was probably Eithan’s presence there, and his activities - also ‘kind-of’ confirmed by Makiel (‘_He_ left something for his descendants…’), showing Eithan (and not able to penetrate the Veil…)
They mention that there's acceptable levels of deviations that their interference can cause. Her guiding Lindon at all caused it to deviate from the future where he married Jai Chen in SV. But on its own, it's so insignificant a deviation on the world scale that it doesn't matter. On its own, the thing would have had no notable change for cradle. Jai Ling would have gotten the spear (maybe without losing his friend). He would still have gone on a killing spree against Jai clan and would have either been taken by Jai Daishou or killed. Either way, it'd have effects only at levels of Underlords. Not even enough to drastically alter the future of Blackflame Empire, let alone Cradle. Quotes to support the point: > The Eledari Pact only prevented Abidan from changing the destiny of a healthy Iteration. Saving one young man’s life wouldn’t have altered anything. > Then Suriel’s actions had changed Lindon’s direction. > On their own, neither of those changes had been significant. Together, they would be exponentially more dangerous. And more difficult to predict. > > “Their actions would have affected all of Cradle,” the Hound said. “They would work for decades, changing the Iteration, and eventually derailing it entirely. I cannot see any further than thirty years in Cradle’s future.” > This was a peace offering from Makiel to her, fixing the problem she had helped create while keeping her favored mortal intact.
I think it might specifically refer to Yerin, Lindon, and Eithan’s interactions that changed the fate of the transcendent ruins (the hunger spear, who dies, etc). So it would be a combination of Suriel and Eithan’s effects of fate.
Probably Eithan. The great Ozriel-Lindon collision was a crazy divergence. And that happened in the Transcendent Ruins.
I always thought the ruins awoke because the Sword Sage's remnant cutting the tomb in half in SV. Either that or when Yerin cause it to collapse the rest of the way on their way out of the tomb. This destruction just matches perfectly.
So I think this was pretty much confirmed in the [Unsouled SPOILER bonus scene](https://www.willwight.com/uploads/9/0/7/1/9071768/unsouled_bonus_spoiler_scene.pdf). Eithan would never have met with Lindon & Yerin if he hadn't detected the Abidan intervention to the West. Them joining and the timeline of 30 years to the dreadgod attack, meant that they would change the fate of Cradle (remove the monarchs/fix the system) In response they speed up their ascension so that they're unable to achieve that goal before they leave
Y'know, this made me realise that Eithan enabled Lindon to leave Sacred Valley in the first place. Adama wouldn't have headed to Sacred Valley in the first place without Eithan's influence. Without Yerin being in Sacred Valley, Lindon would never have made it out.
> Adama wouldn't have headed to Sacred Valley in the first place without Eithan's influence. He might have anyway, he needed to suppress her shadow before gold; but probably wouldn't have weakened himself in the labyrinth.
Just so.
Just to add to this. In Bloodline we hear that the tomb in sacred valley was repaired, I think Lindon mentions something about how quickly Heavens Glory had somehow repaired the tomb. Given that we think the destruction caused by Yerin fighting Tims remnant is what caused the ruins to come up for repairs, this also implies the ruins in sacred valley repaired themself and it wasn't Heavens Glory. Which makes sense given their purpose.
This is a cool theory! I like it a lot.
I think the divergence was Eithan
I think it was suriel. She’s the one who deviated fate.
I think this is related to Makiel accelerating fate or making changes to it after meeting Suriel and promising to leave her favored Sacred Artist alone. I think Jai Daisho messing with the Archstone was also influenced by Makiel.
I've been thinking maybe it has to do with Lindon and Jai Chen being tied together by fate. They were connected enough that they meet even with Suriels intervention, so maybe the ruins were basically forced to do so by reality itself because Jai Chen and Lindon were supposed to meet.