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Nah, the hounds are all around cunts best I can tell. A good boy would likely join the Titan division even though their leader is a dumb dick. Maybe the fox division if they had the zoomies frequently before ascending.
Unfortunately a judge has to die, step down willingly, or be removed by the other judges. So I really didn’t get it wrong. He’s also not the only cunt hound we’ve seen. Kiuran was a total prat.
Yeah, we’ve seen zero hounds that weren’t dicks so I’m going on the sample I have. It seems pretty par for the course. The previous hound was a dick, too. He wanted to kill Oz for making the scythe. The other 6 voted to make him judge. Even the previous Titan wanted Oz to replace him. We’ve also seen a few really decent members of the Titans, including one with a POV section of a prologue.
That's all true, plus we know from one of the Suriel scenes that the Hound division generally worship Makiel because of how capable he is, dick or not. So even if you found one that disagreed with him, it's doubtful any would go against him.
The foxes control threshold, which is where all ascendants are shunted off to. You think fury, who was practically a spacial travel reject, could be a fox? Of course he is a wolf. Will confirmed it in a livestream.
Didn't know that Will had stated he was a wolf. I did ask how you knew, I haven't seen the live streams and was just curious, calling him a spacial travel reject is kind of harsh, he had only had his sage abilities less than a week, he wouldn't be an expert that quickly.
Yep. A century gathering madra, they would become sacred beasts. Now, how would they last a century without being a sacred beast i don't know.
Src: unsouled, when Lindon was checking whether that tree was an ancestral tree
I think it would be less time than that really, given it's stated from Lindon's point of view which is inaccurate at best in Unsouled. But even then if we take the fact at face value, that is in Sacred Valley. What might take a century in SV might only take 50 years in the Desolate Wilds, or only 20 in the Night Wheel valley. Also, their descendants may be born as sacred beasts (maybe, that is just speculation on my part).
I also think trees specifically take longer. So, if you get an old enough dog, in a rich enough environment and a helping of luck, you might have the recipe for the next woof sage
Lindon actually did specify Sacred beasts, and said Ancestral Trees could take up 500 years. But thats in Sacred Valley where the thin aura and the suppression field would make it take 10x longer then normal.
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If we want to get pedantic with this, all members of the caninae family are also known as canines, including foxes, jackals, wolves, and dogs. Foxes are ALSO vulpine, but they are absolutely canine. But this all has no real relevance to the topic, which is can canines be sacred beasts. The answer is unequivocally yes.
Any plant or animal can become a sacred beast. They just need to figure out how to cycle madra.
Obviously the more aura rich the environment the easier it is and the more common they are.
That's my understanding - mundane plants and animals can become cultivators if they figure it out. >!Shen was a lion. Orthos is a tortoise. Emriss is a *tree*. Little else seems like much of a narrative stretch from there.!<
Doggo Monarch is good. What about the Axolotl Monarch?
Good question actually. Would they need shepherd dogs for instance? Hunting dogs wouldn't really be of much use unless they were already huge Sacred Beasts, same for guard dogs. I'm sure some breeds of dogs exist, but the people of Cradle just don't seem to have as much use for them like we do, which I think would limit their variety.
Yes I think any animal can become a sacred beast. Dogs certainly.
Skysworn and Ghostwater: >! In skysworn walking through the cloud castle town, lindon hears talking dogs. And then in Ghostwater, when Ziel returns to the Beast King in the Wasteland, there is a pack of dogs talking and fighting over a bone or something. Edit to add: if we go off the indicators given via dragons, this would mean the dogs are at least gold, probably high gold or true gold as they can talk (iirc when yerin faces a low gold dragon it is said to be more beastial and can’t talk cos it’s not advanced enough) !<
We actually did see some in a later book.
>!Monstrous shadows AND blood spawn. Some of the shadows hollowed out their hosts, some did not. I don't know if the hosts were sacred beasts though, or just monster species. Like a bear and a sacred bear can both be hosts.!<
Not a will wight publication, but very similar power structure in Beware of Chicken; a cultivation story. Short answer based off of that book is a big yes
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Hmm you've got me there.
That's right. They would join the hound!
Nah, the hounds are all around cunts best I can tell. A good boy would likely join the Titan division even though their leader is a dumb dick. Maybe the fox division if they had the zoomies frequently before ascending.
Ya got it wrong as well. A truly good boy/girl would be such a good Hound they'd kick the current Makiel's ass out of his position.
Unfortunately a judge has to die, step down willingly, or be removed by the other judges. So I really didn’t get it wrong. He’s also not the only cunt hound we’ve seen. Kiuran was a total prat.
So you're going to condemn thousands of people because of only 2 assholes that we got to see? Truly, no different than the Hounds you so critique!
Yeah, we’ve seen zero hounds that weren’t dicks so I’m going on the sample I have. It seems pretty par for the course. The previous hound was a dick, too. He wanted to kill Oz for making the scythe. The other 6 voted to make him judge. Even the previous Titan wanted Oz to replace him. We’ve also seen a few really decent members of the Titans, including one with a POV section of a prologue.
That's all true, plus we know from one of the Suriel scenes that the Hound division generally worship Makiel because of how capable he is, dick or not. So even if you found one that disagreed with him, it's doubtful any would go against him.
How about the Wolf division?
They’re just combat nuts. Fury is a wolf. He’s generally pretty likeable and reasonable. So maybe. Golden retrievers aren’t known to be fierce.
They also aren't hounds so it wouldn't really make sense to join the Hound division anyway. I think they'd make a great Phoenix though.
How do we know Fury is a wolf? When he ascended there were fox banners..
The foxes control threshold, which is where all ascendants are shunted off to. You think fury, who was practically a spacial travel reject, could be a fox? Of course he is a wolf. Will confirmed it in a livestream.
Didn't know that Will had stated he was a wolf. I did ask how you knew, I haven't seen the live streams and was just curious, calling him a spacial travel reject is kind of harsh, he had only had his sage abilities less than a week, he wouldn't be an expert that quickly.
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Yep. A century gathering madra, they would become sacred beasts. Now, how would they last a century without being a sacred beast i don't know. Src: unsouled, when Lindon was checking whether that tree was an ancestral tree
I think it would be less time than that really, given it's stated from Lindon's point of view which is inaccurate at best in Unsouled. But even then if we take the fact at face value, that is in Sacred Valley. What might take a century in SV might only take 50 years in the Desolate Wilds, or only 20 in the Night Wheel valley. Also, their descendants may be born as sacred beasts (maybe, that is just speculation on my part).
I also think trees specifically take longer. So, if you get an old enough dog, in a rich enough environment and a helping of luck, you might have the recipe for the next woof sage
Lindon actually did specify Sacred beasts, and said Ancestral Trees could take up 500 years. But thats in Sacred Valley where the thin aura and the suppression field would make it take 10x longer then normal.
I think your underestimating just how much denser the aura in the NWV is.
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I was initially going to say ten, but that sounded like I was exaggerating the difference.
I guess you'd need to take them to a very aura rich area and give them lots of elixirs.
you would have to put me down harder than a specific monarch to stop me from making my dog a sacred beast.
Mine would be the tree branch sage.
It might take less time outside sacred valley
And that is in sacred valley. I bet most other animals take a year outside of the valley.
That’s mundane trees, not sacred beasts. Sacred beasts are typically born with a core like humans.
Let us not forget that >! Elder Whisper is a Sacred Beast, !< so there is already a canonical example of a canine sacred beast.
Yeah I wasn't sure if sacred animals were like their own category (like pokemon).
He's a fox though. Even if they're grouped in Canidae and Caninea, they're in the vulpini group next.
If we want to get pedantic with this, all members of the caninae family are also known as canines, including foxes, jackals, wolves, and dogs. Foxes are ALSO vulpine, but they are absolutely canine. But this all has no real relevance to the topic, which is can canines be sacred beasts. The answer is unequivocally yes.
Any plant or animal can become a sacred beast. They just need to figure out how to cycle madra. Obviously the more aura rich the environment the easier it is and the more common they are.
That's my understanding - mundane plants and animals can become cultivators if they figure it out. >!Shen was a lion. Orthos is a tortoise. Emriss is a *tree*. Little else seems like much of a narrative stretch from there.!< Doggo Monarch is good. What about the Axolotl Monarch?
Why are you calling Orthos a tortoise? He is obviously a dragon.
He'll prove his more of a Dragon than any other Dragon when he manifests the Dragon Icon.
He's a Turtle. And a magnificent one.
Question is, what sort of dog breeds does Cradle have?
Good question actually. Would they need shepherd dogs for instance? Hunting dogs wouldn't really be of much use unless they were already huge Sacred Beasts, same for guard dogs. I'm sure some breeds of dogs exist, but the people of Cradle just don't seem to have as much use for them like we do, which I think would limit their variety.
Shiba Inu and Pekingese probably. Or the 110 equivalent.
I would love to see a Golden Retriever Monarch. Let it manifest the Joy icon and let Eithan be jealous.
i don’t see why not i can’t imagine how horrible things would be in unkempt cities with all the sacred flys buzzing around
You just offended every body-part I have and each of them are in attack mode.
Yes I think any animal can become a sacred beast. Dogs certainly. Skysworn and Ghostwater: >! In skysworn walking through the cloud castle town, lindon hears talking dogs. And then in Ghostwater, when Ziel returns to the Beast King in the Wasteland, there is a pack of dogs talking and fighting over a bone or something. Edit to add: if we go off the indicators given via dragons, this would mean the dogs are at least gold, probably high gold or true gold as they can talk (iirc when yerin faces a low gold dragon it is said to be more beastial and can’t talk cos it’s not advanced enough) !<
Reigan Shen is a literal example of this,
Shen was born a Sacred Beast
What I’ve been thinking about recently is if a sacred beast can have a blood shadow. I don’t think we’ve seen anyone but humans in Redmoon hall?
We actually did see some in a later book. >!Monstrous shadows AND blood spawn. Some of the shadows hollowed out their hosts, some did not. I don't know if the hosts were sacred beasts though, or just monster species. Like a bear and a sacred bear can both be hosts.!<
Well, a kraken had one, so there's that...
Yea, just read that scene last night on my reread. I’d forgotten about it
Yes, even a flea can advance: https://www.abidanarchive.com/events/1-cradle/#e198
Not a will wight publication, but very similar power structure in Beware of Chicken; a cultivation story. Short answer based off of that book is a big yes
The great and mighty Walnut, master of the forest, Guardian of the oppressed, the Squirrel Monarch, would say so, yes.
I would be interested to see a monarch butterfly monarch