Robin is better than Ruan Mei in a Jingliu team comp, especially if the enemy isn't ice weak so you get nothing from RM's break efficiency boost and delayed break recovery.
But ruan mei still offers the all type res pen, damage bonus, and speed. Without huo huo, robin has significant issues with her uptime with JL, meaning without her she's also not doing nearly as much. This also isn't including Ruan Mei's ability to run the penacony planar, which provides JL with further damage boost.
From your comment, you're putting Ruan Mei's worst scenarios against Robin's performance which is relatively the same always with JL. In her best scenarios, Ruan mei outperforms robin by a greater margin than robin does.
If we are comparing between the best scenarios it's actually Robin > RM for JL at e0s0. and if u want to talk about eidolons guess what e1 Robin has res pen as well and the gap between e6 robin and ruan mei in a non-break team is even bigger. I did many tests during last MoC 12 second half, the entire side was weak to ice yet running Robin was still 1-2 cycles faster. either u or ur sources vastly underestimated just how powerful a 1-turn ult with team-wide 100 action adv, 1.2k attack and 12-15k extra dmg per attack is
Perhaps you play the team in a way others haven't tried. Do you have footage? If what you say is right and can be replicated by others, I'll fully concede I was mistaken.
I'm currently debating on ruan mei or huo huo for my JL team, but if Robin is better I'll pull. I keep hearing conflicting view points on the matter.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxLdx2JxCX4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxLdx2JxCX4)
I only recorded the current MoC 12, but how the team comp plays is mostly the same outside energy regen buffs, Tingyun prioritizes Robin ult over Jingliu
So, just to confirm what I saw. The goal is to use tingyun to battery robin, as opposed to using tingyun to battery up JL. The use of the wind set and DDD is to increase the turns tingyun gets to help her battery and advance forward the team more often.
This does make sense, and I see what you were mentioning initially. From just this, i concede that robin is a lot more functional with JL than i initially gave her credit for.
The only thing I am curious on is if a ruan mei comp has been able to accomplish similar with the same level of investment, and if the energy regen buff isn't there, can this team still perform comparably to how it does here. I don't disagree that the way it's played stays the same, that I completely see. But I also can't help but think Robin's uptime is being majorly helped by not only the energy regen, but the increased ability to tingyun and huo huo to battery robin via their more frequent ults as well. This also may be showing an inflated view of Robin's viability.
I am very open to the idea of pulling robin now. The other teams I use are JY and DOT, and robin is good for both. The biggest issue I have is that my tingyun is only e2, and I do not have huo huo, both of which seem to limit my ability to replicate your results.
TY eidolons you will get eventually, as for HH she might get a rerun soon (not saying you have to pull), u can also use QPQ on other healers, or put Bronya instead of TY and have her pull forward Robin when it is appropriate to speed up her rotation. I also heard other people saying that QPQ Gallagher is even better since you can do NA-Ult-NA after Robin ult, which will most likely give 2xQPQ proc to Robin, but personally I'm a bit hesitant on the Gallagher since his sustain is quite shakey in longer fights, i feel that sustain-wise Gallagher rly needs that e4.
this exact JL Robin comp I ran in the previous MoC too against aventurine, it was also a 2 cycle clear, Robin was on 1 turn ult there too w/o ER buff, the only difference was that TY batteried Robin 100% of the time.
I do have a similarly built e0s5 MoTP RM, 10/10/10 talent/skill/ult, running RM+Bronya/TY is at least 1 cycle slower if not 2 nowadays, if this is acceptable for you then you can ofc go RM instead.
Well bro, you convinced me. Pulled robin today and got her. Say I don't have HH, what would be the team comp you recommend? JL. Bronya, robin, sustain? Ideally Gallagher right? Or is tingyun more advantageous here?
I can work on Gallagher, I have him decently built already. Any other recommendations on what else I'd need? I may be able to get HH, but I'll see how my resources are looking. Fingers crossed I get her.
Additionally. Thank you for the help, I'm looking forward to replicating your results, and perhaps even optimizing them further.
sry for the late reply, in theory any fast sustain with QPQ will do, if you don't need Gallagher for super break team you can use him with JL. I tried JL+Robin+HH with Bronya/TY for the current MoC, results were similar (\~2 cycle argenti), if you do choose to run Bronya+Robin you can try to do some kind of EA rotation on Bronya so that she takes turn right after Robin exits ulti, then you can pull forward robin and speed up robin's ult rotation that way. ofc this means you might want to lvl up Bronya's talent
I dont do math but JL robin bronya and a healer had enough sp for me to run them. Sadly Aventurine just deals damage like a truck so I went ahead and removed bronya for FuXuan and it still worked lol.
oh yeah she's terrific, I use them with bronya and huo huo, sometimes the turn orders gets a bit complicated but once you get a hang of it they really have good synergy
necessary as in 3 star MoC12? not right now at least, it's just that from my testing, JL Robin teams clear MoC 1-2 cycles faster than JL RM teams, both supports at e0s0
Agreed. My JL E1S1 - Bronya E1S1 - Robin E0S0 team cleared MoC 12 Kafka in 3 cycles. Replaced Robin with RM E1S0 took 4 cycles. If you have Bronya at E0S0, RM team may perform better.
u can use QPQ on another healer and use tingyun, bronya works too, u can pull forward robin when she is missing 20-40 energy to speed up the ult rotation too, and robin can benefit from the dmg bonus too if she ults on the turn she gets pulled forward
Yes. It basically demands you run luocha or huohuo, because your sp needs to be almost perfect. It clears faster than Ruan mei, but if you can't clear fast enough sp will become a massive mess
I’m using Jingliu Bronya Robin Luocha with QPQ
I've heard ruan mei outperforms robin with JL. Do you think the MOC buff is playing into this at all?
Robin is better than Ruan Mei in a Jingliu team comp, especially if the enemy isn't ice weak so you get nothing from RM's break efficiency boost and delayed break recovery.
But ruan mei still offers the all type res pen, damage bonus, and speed. Without huo huo, robin has significant issues with her uptime with JL, meaning without her she's also not doing nearly as much. This also isn't including Ruan Mei's ability to run the penacony planar, which provides JL with further damage boost. From your comment, you're putting Ruan Mei's worst scenarios against Robin's performance which is relatively the same always with JL. In her best scenarios, Ruan mei outperforms robin by a greater margin than robin does.
If we are comparing between the best scenarios it's actually Robin > RM for JL at e0s0. and if u want to talk about eidolons guess what e1 Robin has res pen as well and the gap between e6 robin and ruan mei in a non-break team is even bigger. I did many tests during last MoC 12 second half, the entire side was weak to ice yet running Robin was still 1-2 cycles faster. either u or ur sources vastly underestimated just how powerful a 1-turn ult with team-wide 100 action adv, 1.2k attack and 12-15k extra dmg per attack is
Perhaps you play the team in a way others haven't tried. Do you have footage? If what you say is right and can be replicated by others, I'll fully concede I was mistaken. I'm currently debating on ruan mei or huo huo for my JL team, but if Robin is better I'll pull. I keep hearing conflicting view points on the matter.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxLdx2JxCX4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxLdx2JxCX4) I only recorded the current MoC 12, but how the team comp plays is mostly the same outside energy regen buffs, Tingyun prioritizes Robin ult over Jingliu
So, just to confirm what I saw. The goal is to use tingyun to battery robin, as opposed to using tingyun to battery up JL. The use of the wind set and DDD is to increase the turns tingyun gets to help her battery and advance forward the team more often. This does make sense, and I see what you were mentioning initially. From just this, i concede that robin is a lot more functional with JL than i initially gave her credit for. The only thing I am curious on is if a ruan mei comp has been able to accomplish similar with the same level of investment, and if the energy regen buff isn't there, can this team still perform comparably to how it does here. I don't disagree that the way it's played stays the same, that I completely see. But I also can't help but think Robin's uptime is being majorly helped by not only the energy regen, but the increased ability to tingyun and huo huo to battery robin via their more frequent ults as well. This also may be showing an inflated view of Robin's viability. I am very open to the idea of pulling robin now. The other teams I use are JY and DOT, and robin is good for both. The biggest issue I have is that my tingyun is only e2, and I do not have huo huo, both of which seem to limit my ability to replicate your results.
TY eidolons you will get eventually, as for HH she might get a rerun soon (not saying you have to pull), u can also use QPQ on other healers, or put Bronya instead of TY and have her pull forward Robin when it is appropriate to speed up her rotation. I also heard other people saying that QPQ Gallagher is even better since you can do NA-Ult-NA after Robin ult, which will most likely give 2xQPQ proc to Robin, but personally I'm a bit hesitant on the Gallagher since his sustain is quite shakey in longer fights, i feel that sustain-wise Gallagher rly needs that e4. this exact JL Robin comp I ran in the previous MoC too against aventurine, it was also a 2 cycle clear, Robin was on 1 turn ult there too w/o ER buff, the only difference was that TY batteried Robin 100% of the time. I do have a similarly built e0s5 MoTP RM, 10/10/10 talent/skill/ult, running RM+Bronya/TY is at least 1 cycle slower if not 2 nowadays, if this is acceptable for you then you can ofc go RM instead.
Well bro, you convinced me. Pulled robin today and got her. Say I don't have HH, what would be the team comp you recommend? JL. Bronya, robin, sustain? Ideally Gallagher right? Or is tingyun more advantageous here? I can work on Gallagher, I have him decently built already. Any other recommendations on what else I'd need? I may be able to get HH, but I'll see how my resources are looking. Fingers crossed I get her. Additionally. Thank you for the help, I'm looking forward to replicating your results, and perhaps even optimizing them further.
sry for the late reply, in theory any fast sustain with QPQ will do, if you don't need Gallagher for super break team you can use him with JL. I tried JL+Robin+HH with Bronya/TY for the current MoC, results were similar (\~2 cycle argenti), if you do choose to run Bronya+Robin you can try to do some kind of EA rotation on Bronya so that she takes turn right after Robin exits ulti, then you can pull forward robin and speed up robin's ult rotation that way. ofc this means you might want to lvl up Bronya's talent
i would pull for her, but i run even MoC12 at full auto and Robin is truly a bad autoplay-char.
who do you use for jingliu team?
E1/S1 RM, E2/R1 Bronya and Blade or Healing
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It's wasn't felt really necessary this moc, but probably yes when moc buff changes.
It is outside of the current MOC.
I dont do math but JL robin bronya and a healer had enough sp for me to run them. Sadly Aventurine just deals damage like a truck so I went ahead and removed bronya for FuXuan and it still worked lol.
oh yeah she's terrific, I use them with bronya and huo huo, sometimes the turn orders gets a bit complicated but once you get a hang of it they really have good synergy
Is she necessary if I have RM and Bronya already?
No, it's a side grade to RM for JL.
necessary as in 3 star MoC12? not right now at least, it's just that from my testing, JL Robin teams clear MoC 1-2 cycles faster than JL RM teams, both supports at e0s0
Agreed. My JL E1S1 - Bronya E1S1 - Robin E0S0 team cleared MoC 12 Kafka in 3 cycles. Replaced Robin with RM E1S0 took 4 cycles. If you have Bronya at E0S0, RM team may perform better.
I have her (Robin) only e0s1 but for me Ruan mei feels much easier with SP. Even e1s1 bronya and e1 huohuo have so much SP issue
ans you can easily make up for the lost SP by tuning loucha to act before jingliu and bronya Robin Skill > loucha NA > jingliu/bronya/jingliu Skill
JL, Bronya,Robin,Ruan mei If they are quantum weak slap Quantum set then u win fr
Don't have Houhou, is Robin still better than RM for my Jingliu team (I have Bronya)
u can use QPQ on another healer and use tingyun, bronya works too, u can pull forward robin when she is missing 20-40 energy to speed up the ult rotation too, and robin can benefit from the dmg bonus too if she ults on the turn she gets pulled forward
Is robin that better than bronya?
She is in rm/pela spot, not bronyas.
So it would go as jl/bron/robin/sustain?
Won't it be taxing on sp to run both robin and bronya?
Yes. It basically demands you run luocha or huohuo, because your sp needs to be almost perfect. It clears faster than Ruan mei, but if you can't clear fast enough sp will become a massive mess
I'd pull for her but I don't want my ears to bleed out every time she ults.