That’s just the price you have to pay when playing this role, people find it much easier to blame someone else for their mistakes rather than own up to it. Full mute should be enough to stop their whining
I'm not jungle main, I just stumbled upon this sub in my feed.
I consider jungle to be the winning card and above else, the wildest card ever.
If you have a reliable jungle, he engages. he does things the other lanes will benefit from.
I'm not saying the other lanes shouldn't help, but for sure, if the lanes can't COUNT on the jungle, it is only going to go even worse for everyone involved.
This is why I think the biggest issue with jungle has nothing to do with jungle.
The biggest problem with jungle, is how poor laners treat jungle.
They have no fear of the enemy jungle, but expect their jungle to be the hero and catch the enemy unaware.
Therefore, imo, the better laner is the one who bothers to look at where their jungler is and track where the enemy is.
It’s entire piece of data that so many fucking laners don’t even bother to think about.
Yet they turn around and say things like you just did “if we can’t COUNT on our jungle” bro do you know how many times I couldn’t win games because my whole team could count on me but I couldn’t count on a single Solo lane? Or shit even a support?
Too many times to count. Let’s not act like a bad jungler is really the end of the world, when really a bad jungler just means you (the laner) actually have to outperform your opponent instead of waiting for your fucking nanny to come clean up your mess.
Learn how to use your map. Learn how to ward. Learn how to wave manage. Learn how to bait engages so your jungler can engage more easily. Learn how to rotate to objectives. Learn how to rotate to new lanes after you take a turret.
These are all things laners constantly do wrong that as junglers we really can’t fix for you, and we lose games because of.
But sure it’s cause we couldn’t come win your bad matchup for you so jg gap. 😥
But jungle is also the most impactful role on the map. I’m fine with not getting ganks but boy have a I learned to approximate a jungler with two digit iq’s this season. It’s a low prio role atm for some reason and you can tell the before the first clear if someone is auto filled.
The amount of games I’ve won/lost due to the jungler on one side being utterly garbage at tracking anything going on is insane. Most games have just ended with all jungle objectives going fairly early to the team with the good jungler and them/us closing the game before the carries have time to scale in.
No hate. Just saying the role is massively important especially for the early game.
Usually I see the person performing poorly get the hate. I know there’s the whole blame the jungler for your lost lane thing but it’s always been there. I think it may have something to do with the fact that jungler have more impact than any other role so they’re basically expected to have omnipresence.
And yes I know that sounds dumb but I can see the reasoning behind it. If any objective is going down on the map you’re more than likely to see at least one of the junglers present. I don’t really get what changed this season to cause such a mass shift since I’ve never seen the prio role on jungle before
The reason it’s getting worse is the shift in responsibility priority for junglers in season 14.
Riot made ganking significantly more difficult with the Summoners Rift changes and added a new *powerful* objective that respawns in void grubs.
These changes have prompted junglers to focus more on farming and securing objectives rather than ganking.
The problem lies with laners not yet adjusting to the **correct** shift in priority from junglers.
Honestly the map changes seemed healthy to me. Now the immobile champions have a slightly bigger breathing room and the slow down of some hyper ganking junglers seem to leave more room for map rotations overall.
The grubs I’m still not sure what I think about though. They have made the top side more interactive which is a plus.
Honestly I feel like no one has adjusted yet. I don’t mind rotating grubs and I never relied on ganks in the first place no matter what role I played. I see my fair share of junglers not even knowing grubs exist and top laners who forget that the map changes blocked off the river bush from tower.
It's really not any more.
It seems to be, but whether or not you get ahead as jungle or you get drags has more to do with which lanes have prio, vision or rotate. Scuttle Crabs, void lings, dragons, rift, there are so many neutrals. Good laners aggressively ward and work with killing the enemy jungle. Bad laners spam ping for ganks and walk forward without vision.
Top, really has crazy impact atm with the void spawns fights + Herald. So often, I get aheah or behind based on who rotates to these early fights.
Even the 1st gank timer, I always ward to find out where the enemy jungle starts. So I can tell my lanes he will gank top or mid after his first clear between 330-3-50. Then ping careful around the scuttle around that time only for them to walk forward without vision to their death....
Jungler have to think about so much, so many lanes are basically Cs bots....
True lane prio is important. But it’s not much a laner can do to secure drake if the jungle is in his own world afk farming. Te entire game is a dance between two teams and everyone has a part to play.
True but the top wouldn’t really be able to do much of the other top and jungle show up while his jungle spent the last 5 minutes trying to force ganks bot for nothing.
I don’t feel like devaluing laners is going to help your case. Good laners will keep objective timers, wards and especially the enemy jungle in mind at all times. While also playing and setting up wave management, poke and trades against an actual person and not the most basic AI the game has to offer.
Like it or not, junglers are very impactful and important especially during the early game objectives. I don’t think that will change in the coming 10 seasons either
Correct, however games where the jungler is afk farming and ignoring objectives are much rarer than games lanes don't come for the objective.
Often, like 2/5 games. I will gank, kill there enemy laner and then ping the objective to have them back on me. It's wild.
Atleast 2/5 games I'll have a laner feed like fuck and spam ping me like a nuttier.
Sometimes u get them all at once...
Yes, you are impactful. %100. However as lancers have the level advantage when they objectives spawn. Mid and top are 6 when u just ding 5 usually. Or the numbers advantage (2 botlane to 1 jungler).
The lancers usually decide who gets the objective and therefore the lead.
I just feel like these games are the norm now though. Yesterday jungle was the only prio role, not even support had that symbol and that’s kind of sad.
Though I had the pleasure and pain to face a really good vi… she was everywhere and ganking every lane, taking every objective and had a 20 cs lead over our jungle after 10 minutes. After already getting 2 successful ganks out of 4 mid and 2/2 bot. Kind of nuts.
Our jungle made 3 ganks in the time she made 7, lost the grubs and dragon and still she had the farm lead. And he wasn’t that bad of a jungler either. I could just sit behind my tower and soak farm and wait for the loss, she had control the entire game.
Now compare that with all the atrocious auto fills I’ve seen on both sides the last two weeks and it’s night and day what a capable jungler can do if they have a decent team.
But what happened for the vi to get the first few ganks off?
If you get killed by a gank between 3:30-4:00 then your bad. It's the most standard gank timing and most of the time u should know where the jungler starts.
It's more understandable if they ganks after 3 camps. Or w/e. Go watch the replay and see how vi got the lead. The early lead often has to do with lane prio or a laner being a derp and hardpushing without vision when the enemy jungler is there side of the map.
I've gone as far as waking enemy botside camp every game so I can ping the crab they are pathing towards so the laners.
And often still some noober hard pushes without vision and dies. Even in emerald. Or so many games are decided by who's support / team mates rotate to the first grubs. Again, the jungler can't always get your team to grubs. It on the laners.
So many games snowball super hard now, once a jungler gets a lead, they fight over grubs, dragon, grubs dragon and so on. And gg.
It's so very very rare, a jungler just gets a lead by killing the enemy jungler over and over. He gets a lead because laners make mistakes. Mostly. Not always. But often. Once behind as a jungler it's really difficult.
At this point my memory is a bit fuzzy and I don’t have access to my computer right now. But seeing that she even helped laners break a freeze if needed I would say it was more about her game knowledge being leaps above our junglers. She basically did every right choice she could in the early game.
If I remember correctly they got a cheesy early kill from a not full clear gank or invade or something. It was way too early for the normal gank time at least and no one really suspected it.
May have been out teams fault for falling for something unconventional early but yeah. Sometimes the random odd strategy works.
Honestly I’m starting to see why people shit on junglers. Even when you compliment them they’re going to shit on the lane players. Not that it’s the opposite in return but would be nice if people could be nice in the in game chats instead of constantly insulting each other.
it has the most potential impact not actual impact, actual impact is determined by laners allowing their jungler to play map
Jungler cant play map if laners are astrogapped dogs solo losing WITHOUT enemy jg interference which is always the case in lower elo
in higher elo people know how to lose gently and also play for jungle prio to actualize potential impact, that is where jung diff is “real” because everyone knows how to play so if u have autofilled jungler its auto loss or mmr spread in match you have master vs d1 but its master supp vs d1 sup and d1 jungler vs master jungler
If you’re going to assume that every single other role is feeding and doing nothing you can say that about every lane? You take the worst case scenario and compare it to general scenarios for others. Of course it’s going to feel like you can do nothing from top of you’re even and the rest of your team is feeding their asses off before the 5 minute mark.
So you admit that if everyone is semi decent and there’s a auto filled jungler the game could just be over?
And don’t bring low elo into this. Go low enough and you’ll see the “mvp” of the game be a 5/4 ad teemo with 100 farm at 30 minutes. I don’t really think you can qualify their games as valuable data.
My gripe this season is not with the decent to good jungle mains but with the sheer amount of auto fills that seem to have no clue what they’re doing no matter what situation they’re put it.
by virtue the jungler is least likely to feed because they are not forced into lane, the odds of them misplaying and dying to the enemy is negligible compared to laners, who else is going to be feeding?
until either jungler interacts with the enemy team the onus is on laners to not misplay, in lower elo bad players play bad its a self fulfilling prophecy, its not to say lower elo junglers are exempt from this but they are not throwing their role in the first 5 minutes of the game unless they are running it
im not assuming anything nor applying the worst case scenario, most deaths are results of laners misplaying and dying or just straight up coinflipping their lane even if they are competent thats just the barebones facts idgi how you can dispute otherwise unless enemy is gambling by cheesing
Even if they die to a gank its a result of them misplaying because they should be cognizant of how their laner is playing for a gank or where enemy jungler might be within a certain time frame
the top lane comparison is just bad and wrong, you dont automatically lose gold and exp because ur other lanes are underperforming unless lane phase ends early, jungler can get camps stolen by laners + invaded forcing them to abandon parts of the map and concede objectives, idg how you can compare that to top laners stalemating their lane and soaking gold and xp with tower
yes i admit that the higher you go the worse having an autofilled jungler is, just not mickey mouse players in plat & below crying jungle diff that cant even play their main role properly
They literally balance the game around a majority of the player base which is why zed was dog shit f tier champion for literal years because people in dog elo cant play vs him, egregious repeated nerfs to jungle is no different aside from specific meta incidents like perm repeat ganking bot (which was the result of repeated systemic nerfs in the first place)
you will get more autofilled junglers that dont know how to play because the role is dog shit and people dont want to play it just like how support used to have the highest percentage autofill, but you dont see repeated support nerfs when it is just as impactful in terms of potential impact when you have a human play it and not an enchanter zombie hoping they get carried
My comparison might not be perfect but the ground point stands. If you’re trapped in equal gold in a lane and the rest of the map is starting to give their resources away it’s only a matter of time before rotations and proper play will close out the game from the enemy side. Yes junglers may have to give up more in a worst case scenario but it’s just a point how lack of impact in any role will basically lead to a loss if everyone else is underperforming.
Also I’ve seen my fair share of incompetent junglers that give away early kills due to them failing or getting counter ganked because they messed up their clear times. I think all roles have the ability to make or break the game but the potential impact they can give the game is the factor how likely that is.
That’s why I think support is the second most important lane due to their ability to control information and set things up. In higher elo I value a support over a carry due to this.
I did not read throu but i saw you said laners dont look at map to see where jg is
And you are right especialy in low elo i see those beacuse im silver 4 curently and gonna be honest the jg is not looking at lanes either
Dont look at lanes,dont ward objectives ( by objective i just meant like top lane baron since thats harder for toplane to ward) so im pretty sure the hate is mostly from low elo players
I dont usualy blame jg but i had a match where jg was at red and we at botlane where under tower for 3-4 waves now i looked at map pinged him and he went toward toplane (top lane who was had pushed the enemy out of lane and smashing tower)
Now of course i dont blame him for us being stat checked or out dmged i blame him beacuse even with all that we had zero objective done
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Man, the reduction in pings really fucked me.
I used to ping the enemy jungle, then their expected patching through fog of war. And it worked. Now I have to type it while walking and risk getting jumped? Nty....
But seriously. I see a graves at raptors and head towards red? Isn't holding red and I know the respawn timer? Shocker, I know where he's going. But my laners might not see it.
Yeah
I just played a match i pinged mid to be carefull since i saw jg going for him (enemy bot was going too) and when he died he just said why i didnt follow
Bruh i am the supp i am behind level and gold and you excpect me to follow them ( dont mind it that i just respawned like 3 second ago ) nty
My favorite is when I'm top side doing like.... Raptors. I ping bot that they're getting ganked from my blue because I got invaded.
It's a long walk, right?
"jg why didn't you follow". Dude you had ten seconds to respond and then died. If I had dropped my camp and run STRAIGHT to yoy, I'd still be crossing mid when you died.
Yeah
(Corections)
From your red not blue
You are doing either krug or wolfs
I had to sorry :,)
Im stupid it depends on wiew sorry i had like 6 matxh from bot side my mind is dead
Okay you were pushed for 3-4 waves, what minute was that? Who was your jungler? Who was their jungler? Did mid have prio? Was enemy mid ss? Was botlane low on hp? Were they fed? Did you have any engage?
There are a lot of variables that can affect the Jungler judgement, he could also be autofilled, or below Silver elo.
To sum up: Jungle is really different each game, if your jungler is good there's a reason for each decision, if not, gl.
wow man, you really went out there and poured your own frustrations on my because I said "I'm not a jungle main" ?
I guess you found your target or something. Like, based on my comment you (and others) assumed I'm not doing my fair share of things.
Sure, that may be the case. I can't be perfect all the time.
Let me tell you a thing or two about what junglers I met:
- a very tilted jungler that decides to throw the game because one lane got outplayed a couple of times. He then decides the game is lost because of 1-2 deaths botlane. I've dominated lanes then lost the entire game so just because one lane lost that didn't automatically mean we lost the game. But my jungle thinks so, so we had to endure our jungler's lack of "enthusiasm" let's say.
- a very "passive" jungler that mostly farms and only ganks if there are any "leftovers". and I mean, leftovers in a very strong sense. A battle lost/won on the lane, he comes, kills the last one remaining and then returns to his farming. Not even engaging the Void Grubs for fear that he gets into a teamfight with the enemy or dragon for the same reason.
- the very opportunistic jungler that leaves as soon as they're getting any heat on them. These guys DO GANK. But they gank, take a kill from ADC most often than not and just leaves. If the enemy jungle comes to bot lane soon after while our jgl is still in the area, he will NOT return for a second or third kill. He "did his job".
- a lying jungler. I just met this one very recently. "at level 3 I gank" and then he goes on other lane at level 3. I point out we can do this and that because he's in the area (for example, take dragon) and he goes to do something else (like raptors). If we point out his decisions, he complains that "you're flaming me for mistakes". So not only does he do what he told the team, he's low level gaslighting us as well.
- a "not a teamfight" jungler. Just like the passive one, he doesn't come to teamfights because ... only he knows why. He prefers to play a "top role" but in jungle. He fights if he's invaded or if he's in the area but as soon as two or more enemies appear near his two or more allies are near, he's the first coward to run away. He then blames us for "fighting" and dying.
Bruh, we meme downvoted you, don't take it personally. But yeah, you we're slightly wrong, not in a big way, but in a chess Grandmaster defeating another Grandmaster way. Maybe what you said was true last season. We're not responsible for anything more than any other lane anymore, we've been nerfed to shit.
How much responsibility do you put into mid/top? Because you should probably be placing more expectations on them than jungle at this point.
oh for sure I blame mid a lot as well. I'm ADC main and I've seen their mid follow enemy jng do a gank on my lane a lot.
Our midlane takes the opportunity to shave off some plates mid, no complains there. BUT.
We do lose a lot on my lane because of that gank. We either lose the same number of plates or even a dragon.
Not to mention xp, farm, potential kills.
I started playing mid and top over jungle because then I can 100% guarantee an even or winning lane who will rotate first to help their jungle. I'm over 80 % win rate this past week lol. And worst case scenario I get hard countered or camped and lose lane I can at least guarantee 1 lane won't be inting over and over for being behind.
What makes me cry is ganking botlane and my bot doing everything in their power to lose the fight. Ganking a lane and going 1v2 instead of 3v2 is what makes me cry.
Bro, if enemy jgl spend time to stomp u, ur jgl have opportunity to win other lanes, or take objectives. U sacrifice part of ur personal farm for additional chance for ur team to win.
With new map only bot lane rely on jgl, mid is more like roam role now.
Tbf as an Ashe player myself I can use my E and spot the jungler in bot side 9/10 times then I just play safe for like 3-5mins and toss out another one… but it still gives you vision score if I’m not mistaken so like wtf either use the E or toss some wards down it’s that easy
Cope is a word that is used nowadays to refer to an action where someone is simply making excuses for a mistake that they, or someone they’re defending, has made.
example: 0/10/0 mid yasuo says: “ff15 jg diff”, 12/3/5 jungle responds: “lmao the _cope_ is crazy”
Its initial meaning “to cope” however is actually “to deal with something by doing certain things”, i.e. the loss of a friend, a relationship, an object, et cetera.
(Extreme) example: joe recently lost his girlfriend in a car accident so now he drinks heavily _to cope_.
not my first language but i hope this helps :D
I've understood it to mean that in order to cope (deal with) with the situation they are in, they are blaming you. So you say "cope" because it's like saying "you're blaming me for your problems."
nah, arguing back just pisses you off and tilts them to the point of an unwinnable game. It's not even bad to say "sorry about that, doing my best" since they will feel like a dick. My priority is getting that LP.
Usually, I'll ignore them and try to carry if I genuinely know that I have been doing well and with the lead that you have you still stand a chance of solo carrying. It's only 12 mins into the game and I've seen many times a single good teamfight transitioning into a win.
Just had a game where my botlane went 0/9/0. Before 15min. Without any gank. Just 2v2. They were plat playing to an enemy bronze 3. BRUH. Guess what ? They flamed me for not helping 🙃.
Just 0/9/0 around 15 mins in? You are lucky, in last 2 months I regularly have adc around 0/7/0 and supp around 0/10/x. It's insane how it feels like i get npc's on botlane every second game or so. They do not know what a ward or objective is, while enemy team gets so much better players. No fun at all, either bot will stomp and the game can be played or the bot will be 0/15/0 in 15 and that's it.
Getting flamed for enemy jungler camping a lane. I can handle it. Getting flamed because your lakers don’t ward and they get ganked once or twice. I can handle it. Getting flames because your laners lost solo… ima bug out
Bro I've played that game. He really wasn't good at all. Especially when I 1v1 him when he was 16/2 and I was 2 items behind. My botlane was just purely doing all the stupidiest moves.
That was exactly my point. It's not about being good or decent. It's about not trolling on purpose. I play adc a lot. When I'm behind or I don't gave the matchup, I just play safe and don't die. Maybe once in a while if they do a good move or if I fail. But being 0/9 not even 15min.just in 2v2 is pure inting. Especially cause they were not dying under tower, they kept taking 2v2 all the time.
Unfortunately shyv has garbage pressure early game. Though tbh, if you are that fed the rest of the game is probably a cakewalk as long as they continue to play and don't entirely give up mentally.
Which of course would never happen since they can't not be the carry (with a duo that absolutely can play that angle with the CC they have wtf)
I know that this might not be the case, but what if they meant it in a positive way? I feel like any player would have to be totally blind not to see the 4/0/0 vs 0/0/3 and +33 cs. Although I don't really understand their previous messges.
What even happened to the chat ban system? It used to be the only effective part of reports. Now I keep getting told to kill myself and nothing happens when I report them. They literally typed "K Y S" as three separate messages and the system just ignored it.
Trust me I've had games where i got the team 2 darkes, 6 grubs, and impacted all lanes by burning sums, kills, or helping them with waves while still being up in cs and denying enemy camps.
Just for my team to die to the silliest warded gank and typing jg gap.
This is in emerald btw where you'd expect people to have at least some understanding of the game.
I’m not convinced any rank below Diamond is any different than any other rank below Diamond.
My games in low bronze right now look the same as my games in high gold looked last year.
I find emerald has very little game knowledge honestly. Especially macro. Some of them have some pretty decent mechanics but winning and closing games? No idea. When to back off and reset? No idea. When to pressure baron? No idea lol
Sure you have better stats than eve
That doesnt even tell half of the story
Your teammates could be delusional but you could be the delusional too
Imagine a scenario where you just arived and took the kills wirhout helping much while the eve is permanently putting pressure on them
Bro shyvana has 4 kills and their bot lane (hardest losing lane kda-wise) combined has 1 assist. It is literally impossible for he to have stolen all of those kills from them
No, your point is right but doesn't apply here. He is so far ahead that there is no argument for eve to have been more effective so far this game. Shyv is in a place to hard carry, and if he continues to execute and the teammates don't just collapse and give up, the game is over.
I had a feeling someone might comment something like this and I realise that the stats don't tell the full story. I'm not going to try to convince you that I had the perfect pro player start and there's literally nothing I could have done better. I'm always looking to improve. However, in this situation I'd like to think it's pretty clear I'd had a good start. I'm 30cs up, a level up, a dragon up, I'd ganked all lanes for a total of 4 kills. I'd had an objectively good start, and look maybe it could have been better! But regardless, it was a solid start no matter which way you look at it.
With all that, I still got hit with the tilted Ashe saying jg diff. That's my point. Comments like yours are just playing devil's advocate for no reason.
Thanks for your answer, i see your situation and didnt mean to flame you
I just see this far too often of players shifting blame on others without seeing their own failures and projecting it on others
Thats why i am careful when just looking at stats without knowing much more
Idk why you´re being downvoted, its literally true. It´s very possible for him to simply have full cleared over and over with no regards to lanestates considering his cs, his stats dont tell the whole story.
I feel like eve/hecarim/shyvana players are the worst contenders when it comes to that. Shyvanas and Hecarims obviously have insane clears and scale well, but that doesnt mean u should play afk until u get ur core items.
For me the most important thing is that these junglers are selfish just like graves
They dont help your team to carry but they want to carry themselves
I dont like this style but its fine
But if you do it while the enemy doesnt and he smashes your lanes then you cant complain about your lanes getting smashed or saying that the enemy jungler is doing more because it simply could be true
Like you said, stats dont tell the whole story
But this picture blames the team for something that might be deserved (possible, not saying that its true tho)
One reason I love playing jg Zac. I intentionally try not to take kills from ganks. My goal early game is to farm up, take early objectives and make opportunity ganks, where the only goal is to get my laners fed. Come mid game, my spike comes and that's where my team fighting value exponentially rises because I have my champs natural power spike, and my team didn't fall behind so they can benefit maximally from my cc/aoe/tank/engage potential. If the enemy allows me to get to end game, it's game over for them unless something went extremely wrong for us. I will always make sure my carries are safe in team fights. It works very well.
Yeah yesterday i played in jg and I had Caitlyn mid against Victor. She was constantly pushing up and then getting ganked by enemy jg. After this hapenned like 3 times, she just said "jg gap."
I laughed my ass off.
I mean it is, if u didn't do anything in that time. On one hand junglers complain about losing lanes that have no prio on the other if someone has prio, it's his fault if he gets ganked.
Lmao yeah it's weird.
Sometimes lanes have prio because wavestates at that point in time forced the laner to push. In that scenario laners should play safe if jg nowhere to be found, sure.
But if laners have prio because they are stomping enemy laner, denying XP/Gold and/or creating a substantial HP differential, jungler should absolutely be looking at that lane to at the very least countergank, if not hover the laner and play around their prio. At that point, yes, if the enemy jg ganks a laner like that with no response from your jg, it absolutely is your jg's fault.
below diamond players are barely human even diamond not an exception to playing like animals but more often than not they have more game knowledge
no point even typing or responding to them, best player is weakside that lets himself get carried instead of being a pig with an ego freaking out that theyre gapped
Insta report & mute.
You’ll always have idiots that blame you for the most random things.
The dumbest possible reasons. They face check a bush while you’re nearby and die. They die in 3 minutes to a solo kill. They get ganked once. You take one of their caster minions.
/all report jg, inting
And then proceed to run it down/afk/follow you around.
Just insta mute & report.
Today a yasuo lost trade in midlane and started ? ping me in my midle of taking wolfs...
This is a thing alright ppl will blame sht like bad weather on you without a flinch.XD
Just like others have screenshots of you being the reason for losing. Noone plays perfect every game. Every role flames the other roles.
Grow up. If you can't climb it's on you.
Funny thing, jungles have the most impact in many lanes, specially fraggers jungles like you, negative impact, and don't even realise what you are doing wrong.
When you are going to gank, you need to take into consideration the minions, exp and all that, sometimes you are making your lanes give up on farm and exp to help your gank, and he loses health, have to go base and loses waaaay more exp and gold while you get the kill and go back to your jungle.
So yeah, if you are going the get the kills at least make sure you are going to have enough impact to help lanes and get the objectives
You are the only player they can blame besides themselves and blame is much easier for an emotionally fragile/unintelligent person than admitting their errors or the enemies' good play. I dont even know how an Ahri can die midlane to a gank unless making pretty egregious errors.
The least delusional ADC, nothing special tho. I bet sometimes these people don't even bother to leash and disrespect the fact that jungler is wanted everywhere around the rift, and the losing lane is definitely not the most important target among the others.
Because the game is only their lane before 15min. If you are not ganking their lane specifically, you are therefore not playing the game.
Also, toplane doesn't exist, it is a lie from Riot games...
Cait + Lux are the enemy team win condition. Karma / Eve / Darius are unlikely to carry the game. Garen won’t save you. So you should have focussed on shutting that bot lane down. Ashe + Morg have good gank set up, Cait / Lux have limited escapes, and Cait usually wants to push to get plates.
ah, the reason why i left the league. every lane is a precious snowflake. you gank top you gave a kill to you top lane,you took voidkrugs? bot lane immediately flames you for not ganking them although all they do is pushing hard like one long poop. the same goes on to all lanes. whenever you gank a lane, another lane flames you
i started to copy paste "If I do not gank that is my fault, if you are ganked and die its your fault." and it actually worked but not always so i left the game. Peace fellow jungler
OK since everyone's venting here, I'm jumping on the bandwagon.
Our mid was soft inting (diving full HP enemies at level 3-4 and spamming pings), bot was trying to win the lowest vision score world record. For the entire game, I couldn't gank anyone because they were diving, dead, or had no tower left. No objectives prio at all. No wards. Nothing.
Team score was 23 to 10 by 19 mins, and our base was in ruins. Enemy guys went to do baron, I sneaked through their vision, stole the baron, killed them, and we ended the game off that wave I think.
But of course, jungle gap, "jg useless", "bye I'm afk report jungler for not helping me dive early".
What's worse in my opinion as a jgler main is that when the losing bot has an opportunity to secure a dragon with me so we can improve our winning chance, they choose to be petty and recall.
Fucking hard stuck motherfuxking bish ass fuk.
I have noticed that the amount of ignorance from the laners in how the jungle works is incredible, they think the jungler is like a roaming support or something and is baffling they lose their lane in record speeds and expect the jungler to come and makeup for their mistakes. Like dude you lost lane at draft picking veigar vs their Katarina who picked blind like come on!.
I just tell them the same thing every game: not my fault you lost lane and babysitting losing lanes isn't my job.
Like what do they expect? They feed 3-4 kills and give their opposing laner a 2 level lead and expect me, fed or not, to be able to fix their problem? As junglers our job is to punish mistakes, not to try and fix them
I just ended up rotating to top main cause I got tired of that shit. A recent game I went 6 - 0 with Jax by like 8 minutes and the enemy team said to report their JG for not helping enough even though they'd ganked mid and not successfully like 3 times each.
I asked why their top lane kept coming out to duke it out with me and his response was "JG would've come top if he wasn't trash." It's totally baffling that he had no defensive instincts to turtle up and THEN maybe JG would come. I wouldn't be thrilled about the prospect of ganking a top Jax that's 6-0 knowing I'm pretty much going in to die.
I would recomand u to say. Sorry i know i could have done so much more sorry to let u guys down and than Mute chat and keep playing. If u lucky they get thier shit together and stop inting.
Well are you using your lead to impact lanes like you should be doing? Or just perma sitting in jg farming camps and not contesting vision, punishing pushed up laners, punishing laners wasting their CD's, etc.
Stats mean nothing if you can't be useful to your team in some way.
I get it! I used to play top and now I'm learning jungle and it's super frustrating to press Tab and see your entire team intend while you weren't there. I don't know how healthy it is to take a screenshot every time. It certainly won't help you get better or enjoy the game more.
That’s just the price you have to pay when playing this role, people find it much easier to blame someone else for their mistakes rather than own up to it. Full mute should be enough to stop their whining
I'm not jungle main, I just stumbled upon this sub in my feed. I consider jungle to be the winning card and above else, the wildest card ever. If you have a reliable jungle, he engages. he does things the other lanes will benefit from. I'm not saying the other lanes shouldn't help, but for sure, if the lanes can't COUNT on the jungle, it is only going to go even worse for everyone involved.
This is why I think the biggest issue with jungle has nothing to do with jungle. The biggest problem with jungle, is how poor laners treat jungle. They have no fear of the enemy jungle, but expect their jungle to be the hero and catch the enemy unaware. Therefore, imo, the better laner is the one who bothers to look at where their jungler is and track where the enemy is. It’s entire piece of data that so many fucking laners don’t even bother to think about. Yet they turn around and say things like you just did “if we can’t COUNT on our jungle” bro do you know how many times I couldn’t win games because my whole team could count on me but I couldn’t count on a single Solo lane? Or shit even a support? Too many times to count. Let’s not act like a bad jungler is really the end of the world, when really a bad jungler just means you (the laner) actually have to outperform your opponent instead of waiting for your fucking nanny to come clean up your mess. Learn how to use your map. Learn how to ward. Learn how to wave manage. Learn how to bait engages so your jungler can engage more easily. Learn how to rotate to objectives. Learn how to rotate to new lanes after you take a turret. These are all things laners constantly do wrong that as junglers we really can’t fix for you, and we lose games because of. But sure it’s cause we couldn’t come win your bad matchup for you so jg gap. 😥
But jungle is also the most impactful role on the map. I’m fine with not getting ganks but boy have a I learned to approximate a jungler with two digit iq’s this season. It’s a low prio role atm for some reason and you can tell the before the first clear if someone is auto filled. The amount of games I’ve won/lost due to the jungler on one side being utterly garbage at tracking anything going on is insane. Most games have just ended with all jungle objectives going fairly early to the team with the good jungler and them/us closing the game before the carries have time to scale in. No hate. Just saying the role is massively important especially for the early game.
It’s low priority because it’s a genuinely bad time to play. For the exact kind of reason OP’s post shows.
Usually I see the person performing poorly get the hate. I know there’s the whole blame the jungler for your lost lane thing but it’s always been there. I think it may have something to do with the fact that jungler have more impact than any other role so they’re basically expected to have omnipresence. And yes I know that sounds dumb but I can see the reasoning behind it. If any objective is going down on the map you’re more than likely to see at least one of the junglers present. I don’t really get what changed this season to cause such a mass shift since I’ve never seen the prio role on jungle before
The reason it’s getting worse is the shift in responsibility priority for junglers in season 14. Riot made ganking significantly more difficult with the Summoners Rift changes and added a new *powerful* objective that respawns in void grubs. These changes have prompted junglers to focus more on farming and securing objectives rather than ganking. The problem lies with laners not yet adjusting to the **correct** shift in priority from junglers.
Honestly the map changes seemed healthy to me. Now the immobile champions have a slightly bigger breathing room and the slow down of some hyper ganking junglers seem to leave more room for map rotations overall. The grubs I’m still not sure what I think about though. They have made the top side more interactive which is a plus. Honestly I feel like no one has adjusted yet. I don’t mind rotating grubs and I never relied on ganks in the first place no matter what role I played. I see my fair share of junglers not even knowing grubs exist and top laners who forget that the map changes blocked off the river bush from tower.
It's really not any more. It seems to be, but whether or not you get ahead as jungle or you get drags has more to do with which lanes have prio, vision or rotate. Scuttle Crabs, void lings, dragons, rift, there are so many neutrals. Good laners aggressively ward and work with killing the enemy jungle. Bad laners spam ping for ganks and walk forward without vision. Top, really has crazy impact atm with the void spawns fights + Herald. So often, I get aheah or behind based on who rotates to these early fights. Even the 1st gank timer, I always ward to find out where the enemy jungle starts. So I can tell my lanes he will gank top or mid after his first clear between 330-3-50. Then ping careful around the scuttle around that time only for them to walk forward without vision to their death.... Jungler have to think about so much, so many lanes are basically Cs bots....
True lane prio is important. But it’s not much a laner can do to secure drake if the jungle is in his own world afk farming. Te entire game is a dance between two teams and everyone has a part to play. True but the top wouldn’t really be able to do much of the other top and jungle show up while his jungle spent the last 5 minutes trying to force ganks bot for nothing. I don’t feel like devaluing laners is going to help your case. Good laners will keep objective timers, wards and especially the enemy jungle in mind at all times. While also playing and setting up wave management, poke and trades against an actual person and not the most basic AI the game has to offer. Like it or not, junglers are very impactful and important especially during the early game objectives. I don’t think that will change in the coming 10 seasons either
Correct, however games where the jungler is afk farming and ignoring objectives are much rarer than games lanes don't come for the objective. Often, like 2/5 games. I will gank, kill there enemy laner and then ping the objective to have them back on me. It's wild. Atleast 2/5 games I'll have a laner feed like fuck and spam ping me like a nuttier. Sometimes u get them all at once... Yes, you are impactful. %100. However as lancers have the level advantage when they objectives spawn. Mid and top are 6 when u just ding 5 usually. Or the numbers advantage (2 botlane to 1 jungler). The lancers usually decide who gets the objective and therefore the lead.
I just feel like these games are the norm now though. Yesterday jungle was the only prio role, not even support had that symbol and that’s kind of sad. Though I had the pleasure and pain to face a really good vi… she was everywhere and ganking every lane, taking every objective and had a 20 cs lead over our jungle after 10 minutes. After already getting 2 successful ganks out of 4 mid and 2/2 bot. Kind of nuts. Our jungle made 3 ganks in the time she made 7, lost the grubs and dragon and still she had the farm lead. And he wasn’t that bad of a jungler either. I could just sit behind my tower and soak farm and wait for the loss, she had control the entire game. Now compare that with all the atrocious auto fills I’ve seen on both sides the last two weeks and it’s night and day what a capable jungler can do if they have a decent team.
But what happened for the vi to get the first few ganks off? If you get killed by a gank between 3:30-4:00 then your bad. It's the most standard gank timing and most of the time u should know where the jungler starts. It's more understandable if they ganks after 3 camps. Or w/e. Go watch the replay and see how vi got the lead. The early lead often has to do with lane prio or a laner being a derp and hardpushing without vision when the enemy jungler is there side of the map. I've gone as far as waking enemy botside camp every game so I can ping the crab they are pathing towards so the laners. And often still some noober hard pushes without vision and dies. Even in emerald. Or so many games are decided by who's support / team mates rotate to the first grubs. Again, the jungler can't always get your team to grubs. It on the laners. So many games snowball super hard now, once a jungler gets a lead, they fight over grubs, dragon, grubs dragon and so on. And gg. It's so very very rare, a jungler just gets a lead by killing the enemy jungler over and over. He gets a lead because laners make mistakes. Mostly. Not always. But often. Once behind as a jungler it's really difficult.
At this point my memory is a bit fuzzy and I don’t have access to my computer right now. But seeing that she even helped laners break a freeze if needed I would say it was more about her game knowledge being leaps above our junglers. She basically did every right choice she could in the early game. If I remember correctly they got a cheesy early kill from a not full clear gank or invade or something. It was way too early for the normal gank time at least and no one really suspected it. May have been out teams fault for falling for something unconventional early but yeah. Sometimes the random odd strategy works. Honestly I’m starting to see why people shit on junglers. Even when you compliment them they’re going to shit on the lane players. Not that it’s the opposite in return but would be nice if people could be nice in the in game chats instead of constantly insulting each other.
it has the most potential impact not actual impact, actual impact is determined by laners allowing their jungler to play map Jungler cant play map if laners are astrogapped dogs solo losing WITHOUT enemy jg interference which is always the case in lower elo in higher elo people know how to lose gently and also play for jungle prio to actualize potential impact, that is where jung diff is “real” because everyone knows how to play so if u have autofilled jungler its auto loss or mmr spread in match you have master vs d1 but its master supp vs d1 sup and d1 jungler vs master jungler
If you’re going to assume that every single other role is feeding and doing nothing you can say that about every lane? You take the worst case scenario and compare it to general scenarios for others. Of course it’s going to feel like you can do nothing from top of you’re even and the rest of your team is feeding their asses off before the 5 minute mark. So you admit that if everyone is semi decent and there’s a auto filled jungler the game could just be over? And don’t bring low elo into this. Go low enough and you’ll see the “mvp” of the game be a 5/4 ad teemo with 100 farm at 30 minutes. I don’t really think you can qualify their games as valuable data. My gripe this season is not with the decent to good jungle mains but with the sheer amount of auto fills that seem to have no clue what they’re doing no matter what situation they’re put it.
by virtue the jungler is least likely to feed because they are not forced into lane, the odds of them misplaying and dying to the enemy is negligible compared to laners, who else is going to be feeding? until either jungler interacts with the enemy team the onus is on laners to not misplay, in lower elo bad players play bad its a self fulfilling prophecy, its not to say lower elo junglers are exempt from this but they are not throwing their role in the first 5 minutes of the game unless they are running it im not assuming anything nor applying the worst case scenario, most deaths are results of laners misplaying and dying or just straight up coinflipping their lane even if they are competent thats just the barebones facts idgi how you can dispute otherwise unless enemy is gambling by cheesing Even if they die to a gank its a result of them misplaying because they should be cognizant of how their laner is playing for a gank or where enemy jungler might be within a certain time frame the top lane comparison is just bad and wrong, you dont automatically lose gold and exp because ur other lanes are underperforming unless lane phase ends early, jungler can get camps stolen by laners + invaded forcing them to abandon parts of the map and concede objectives, idg how you can compare that to top laners stalemating their lane and soaking gold and xp with tower yes i admit that the higher you go the worse having an autofilled jungler is, just not mickey mouse players in plat & below crying jungle diff that cant even play their main role properly They literally balance the game around a majority of the player base which is why zed was dog shit f tier champion for literal years because people in dog elo cant play vs him, egregious repeated nerfs to jungle is no different aside from specific meta incidents like perm repeat ganking bot (which was the result of repeated systemic nerfs in the first place) you will get more autofilled junglers that dont know how to play because the role is dog shit and people dont want to play it just like how support used to have the highest percentage autofill, but you dont see repeated support nerfs when it is just as impactful in terms of potential impact when you have a human play it and not an enchanter zombie hoping they get carried
My comparison might not be perfect but the ground point stands. If you’re trapped in equal gold in a lane and the rest of the map is starting to give their resources away it’s only a matter of time before rotations and proper play will close out the game from the enemy side. Yes junglers may have to give up more in a worst case scenario but it’s just a point how lack of impact in any role will basically lead to a loss if everyone else is underperforming. Also I’ve seen my fair share of incompetent junglers that give away early kills due to them failing or getting counter ganked because they messed up their clear times. I think all roles have the ability to make or break the game but the potential impact they can give the game is the factor how likely that is. That’s why I think support is the second most important lane due to their ability to control information and set things up. In higher elo I value a support over a carry due to this.
I did not read throu but i saw you said laners dont look at map to see where jg is And you are right especialy in low elo i see those beacuse im silver 4 curently and gonna be honest the jg is not looking at lanes either Dont look at lanes,dont ward objectives ( by objective i just meant like top lane baron since thats harder for toplane to ward) so im pretty sure the hate is mostly from low elo players I dont usualy blame jg but i had a match where jg was at red and we at botlane where under tower for 3-4 waves now i looked at map pinged him and he went toward toplane (top lane who was had pushed the enemy out of lane and smashing tower) Now of course i dont blame him for us being stat checked or out dmged i blame him beacuse even with all that we had zero objective done Well i end this here if you have questions for me i answer with the best of my ability - this message was send by -troll picker supp (hi)
Man, the reduction in pings really fucked me. I used to ping the enemy jungle, then their expected patching through fog of war. And it worked. Now I have to type it while walking and risk getting jumped? Nty.... But seriously. I see a graves at raptors and head towards red? Isn't holding red and I know the respawn timer? Shocker, I know where he's going. But my laners might not see it.
Yeah I just played a match i pinged mid to be carefull since i saw jg going for him (enemy bot was going too) and when he died he just said why i didnt follow Bruh i am the supp i am behind level and gold and you excpect me to follow them ( dont mind it that i just respawned like 3 second ago ) nty
My favorite is when I'm top side doing like.... Raptors. I ping bot that they're getting ganked from my blue because I got invaded. It's a long walk, right? "jg why didn't you follow". Dude you had ten seconds to respond and then died. If I had dropped my camp and run STRAIGHT to yoy, I'd still be crossing mid when you died.
Yeah (Corections) From your red not blue You are doing either krug or wolfs I had to sorry :,) Im stupid it depends on wiew sorry i had like 6 matxh from bot side my mind is dead
Ok im stupid
People not giving a damm about pings is just bhurts my brain
Okay you were pushed for 3-4 waves, what minute was that? Who was your jungler? Who was their jungler? Did mid have prio? Was enemy mid ss? Was botlane low on hp? Were they fed? Did you have any engage? There are a lot of variables that can affect the Jungler judgement, he could also be autofilled, or below Silver elo. To sum up: Jungle is really different each game, if your jungler is good there's a reason for each decision, if not, gl.
wow man, you really went out there and poured your own frustrations on my because I said "I'm not a jungle main" ? I guess you found your target or something. Like, based on my comment you (and others) assumed I'm not doing my fair share of things. Sure, that may be the case. I can't be perfect all the time. Let me tell you a thing or two about what junglers I met: - a very tilted jungler that decides to throw the game because one lane got outplayed a couple of times. He then decides the game is lost because of 1-2 deaths botlane. I've dominated lanes then lost the entire game so just because one lane lost that didn't automatically mean we lost the game. But my jungle thinks so, so we had to endure our jungler's lack of "enthusiasm" let's say. - a very "passive" jungler that mostly farms and only ganks if there are any "leftovers". and I mean, leftovers in a very strong sense. A battle lost/won on the lane, he comes, kills the last one remaining and then returns to his farming. Not even engaging the Void Grubs for fear that he gets into a teamfight with the enemy or dragon for the same reason. - the very opportunistic jungler that leaves as soon as they're getting any heat on them. These guys DO GANK. But they gank, take a kill from ADC most often than not and just leaves. If the enemy jungle comes to bot lane soon after while our jgl is still in the area, he will NOT return for a second or third kill. He "did his job". - a lying jungler. I just met this one very recently. "at level 3 I gank" and then he goes on other lane at level 3. I point out we can do this and that because he's in the area (for example, take dragon) and he goes to do something else (like raptors). If we point out his decisions, he complains that "you're flaming me for mistakes". So not only does he do what he told the team, he's low level gaslighting us as well. - a "not a teamfight" jungler. Just like the passive one, he doesn't come to teamfights because ... only he knows why. He prefers to play a "top role" but in jungle. He fights if he's invaded or if he's in the area but as soon as two or more enemies appear near his two or more allies are near, he's the first coward to run away. He then blames us for "fighting" and dying.
Bruh, we meme downvoted you, don't take it personally. But yeah, you we're slightly wrong, not in a big way, but in a chess Grandmaster defeating another Grandmaster way. Maybe what you said was true last season. We're not responsible for anything more than any other lane anymore, we've been nerfed to shit. How much responsibility do you put into mid/top? Because you should probably be placing more expectations on them than jungle at this point.
oh for sure I blame mid a lot as well. I'm ADC main and I've seen their mid follow enemy jng do a gank on my lane a lot. Our midlane takes the opportunity to shave off some plates mid, no complains there. BUT. We do lose a lot on my lane because of that gank. We either lose the same number of plates or even a dragon. Not to mention xp, farm, potential kills.
I started playing mid and top over jungle because then I can 100% guarantee an even or winning lane who will rotate first to help their jungle. I'm over 80 % win rate this past week lol. And worst case scenario I get hard countered or camped and lose lane I can at least guarantee 1 lane won't be inting over and over for being behind.
Reliable jungle engages. And unreliable laners don’t commit. What now? Right back at ya
Well all I can say is that I'm trying to do my part. Not all junglers are made the same. You should see what they do, they'll make you cry.
What makes me cry is ganking botlane and my bot doing everything in their power to lose the fight. Ganking a lane and going 1v2 instead of 3v2 is what makes me cry.
Bro, if enemy jgl spend time to stomp u, ur jgl have opportunity to win other lanes, or take objectives. U sacrifice part of ur personal farm for additional chance for ur team to win. With new map only bot lane rely on jgl, mid is more like roam role now.
yeah, except he doesn't lmao He just farms his jungle, maybe take a voidgrup or two and then only complains about the losing lane. See my issue?
Thats sad, unluck i guess
you came to the wrong neighbourhood fella
hahaha, yeah I realise.
Up 30 cs 4 kills and 1 level up? Bro thats Jungle diff, your fault ashe doesnt ward
And a drag lol
Tbf as an Ashe player myself I can use my E and spot the jungler in bot side 9/10 times then I just play safe for like 3-5mins and toss out another one… but it still gives you vision score if I’m not mistaken so like wtf either use the E or toss some wards down it’s that easy
just say cope over and over and they lose their minds
What is cope?
Cope is a word that is used nowadays to refer to an action where someone is simply making excuses for a mistake that they, or someone they’re defending, has made. example: 0/10/0 mid yasuo says: “ff15 jg diff”, 12/3/5 jungle responds: “lmao the _cope_ is crazy” Its initial meaning “to cope” however is actually “to deal with something by doing certain things”, i.e. the loss of a friend, a relationship, an object, et cetera. (Extreme) example: joe recently lost his girlfriend in a car accident so now he drinks heavily _to cope_. not my first language but i hope this helps :D
I've understood it to mean that in order to cope (deal with) with the situation they are in, they are blaming you. So you say "cope" because it's like saying "you're blaming me for your problems."
Basically like "deal with it"
if you google "define cope" you'll get your answer
Just mute your team and play the game
nah, arguing back just pisses you off and tilts them to the point of an unwinnable game. It's not even bad to say "sorry about that, doing my best" since they will feel like a dick. My priority is getting that LP. Usually, I'll ignore them and try to carry if I genuinely know that I have been doing well and with the lead that you have you still stand a chance of solo carrying. It's only 12 mins into the game and I've seen many times a single good teamfight transitioning into a win.
Just had a game where my botlane went 0/9/0. Before 15min. Without any gank. Just 2v2. They were plat playing to an enemy bronze 3. BRUH. Guess what ? They flamed me for not helping 🙃.
People get boosted to the ranks they don't deserve everyday and it shows.
Just 0/9/0 around 15 mins in? You are lucky, in last 2 months I regularly have adc around 0/7/0 and supp around 0/10/x. It's insane how it feels like i get npc's on botlane every second game or so. They do not know what a ward or objective is, while enemy team gets so much better players. No fun at all, either bot will stomp and the game can be played or the bot will be 0/15/0 in 15 and that's it.
Getting flamed for enemy jungler camping a lane. I can handle it. Getting flamed because your lakers don’t ward and they get ganked once or twice. I can handle it. Getting flames because your laners lost solo… ima bug out
Enemy bronze 3 in your plat game probably means either hes doing placements or hes smurfing like crazy
It was a draft not a ranked ^^
Why mention the ranks then?
Idk to give context of 2 plat inting hard to a bronze.
You realize someone can play 1 ranked game, be bronze, and continue to play only normals to a high level…right?
Bro I've played that game. He really wasn't good at all. Especially when I 1v1 him when he was 16/2 and I was 2 items behind. My botlane was just purely doing all the stupidiest moves.
I really can’t fathom how you can click start on a normal draft pick game and assume everyone is going to be decent lol.
That was exactly my point. It's not about being good or decent. It's about not trolling on purpose. I play adc a lot. When I'm behind or I don't gave the matchup, I just play safe and don't die. Maybe once in a while if they do a good move or if I fail. But being 0/9 not even 15min.just in 2v2 is pure inting. Especially cause they were not dying under tower, they kept taking 2v2 all the time.
Unfortunately shyv has garbage pressure early game. Though tbh, if you are that fed the rest of the game is probably a cakewalk as long as they continue to play and don't entirely give up mentally. Which of course would never happen since they can't not be the carry (with a duo that absolutely can play that angle with the CC they have wtf)
> Unfortunately shyv has garbage pressure early game. While that is true, it wouldn't matter what champ he's playing. He'd get blamed either way.
Yeah, some people are hopeless unless continuously coddled through the game, and if a single thing goes wrong? Jungle diff.
sprinting it as Ashe Morg into Cait Lux is crazy.
Rule #1 of league is; * **DON'T CHASE SINGED!!** Rule #2 of league is; * **Always blame jungler.**
/mute all
/mute all moment indeed
8 cs/min and 4 kills? Brother what’s your elo? You play a lot better than me.
It's a jgl gap, but in your favor
I know that this might not be the case, but what if they meant it in a positive way? I feel like any player would have to be totally blind not to see the 4/0/0 vs 0/0/3 and +33 cs. Although I don't really understand their previous messges.
1/3 ashe is 1/3, needs someone to blame, whose role is it to win every single lane by bilocating? jg so it's their fault.
I thought the laner's role is to win their lane, weird.
I used to think that too, but I have been informed otherwise by laners from everywhere.
haha real
If you are a top laner in a volatile or slightly unfavorable matchup, junglers decide who wins lane.
It's definitely not a positive way lmao. Go neck yourself is what they're saying. As in go and stop living.
What even happened to the chat ban system? It used to be the only effective part of reports. Now I keep getting told to kill myself and nothing happens when I report them. They literally typed "K Y S" as three separate messages and the system just ignored it.
for some reason k y s doesnt trigger the system but MORON does you wanna know what? I got chat abnned for calling someone a moron a few months back.XD
Oh wow. Thanks for enlightening me
Trust me I've had games where i got the team 2 darkes, 6 grubs, and impacted all lanes by burning sums, kills, or helping them with waves while still being up in cs and denying enemy camps. Just for my team to die to the silliest warded gank and typing jg gap. This is in emerald btw where you'd expect people to have at least some understanding of the game.
I’m not convinced any rank below Diamond is any different than any other rank below Diamond. My games in low bronze right now look the same as my games in high gold looked last year.
That’s just a dumb take
No its not last season my bronze games were not in any way diofferent than my plat games 0 diff same if not worse inting trolling garbage.....
Lmao okay sure if you say so
I find emerald has very little game knowledge honestly. Especially macro. Some of them have some pretty decent mechanics but winning and closing games? No idea. When to back off and reset? No idea. When to pressure baron? No idea lol
Sure you have better stats than eve That doesnt even tell half of the story Your teammates could be delusional but you could be the delusional too Imagine a scenario where you just arived and took the kills wirhout helping much while the eve is permanently putting pressure on them
Bro shyvana has 4 kills and their bot lane (hardest losing lane kda-wise) combined has 1 assist. It is literally impossible for he to have stolen all of those kills from them
No, your point is right but doesn't apply here. He is so far ahead that there is no argument for eve to have been more effective so far this game. Shyv is in a place to hard carry, and if he continues to execute and the teammates don't just collapse and give up, the game is over.
I had a feeling someone might comment something like this and I realise that the stats don't tell the full story. I'm not going to try to convince you that I had the perfect pro player start and there's literally nothing I could have done better. I'm always looking to improve. However, in this situation I'd like to think it's pretty clear I'd had a good start. I'm 30cs up, a level up, a dragon up, I'd ganked all lanes for a total of 4 kills. I'd had an objectively good start, and look maybe it could have been better! But regardless, it was a solid start no matter which way you look at it. With all that, I still got hit with the tilted Ashe saying jg diff. That's my point. Comments like yours are just playing devil's advocate for no reason.
Thanks for your answer, i see your situation and didnt mean to flame you I just see this far too often of players shifting blame on others without seeing their own failures and projecting it on others Thats why i am careful when just looking at stats without knowing much more
Idk why you´re being downvoted, its literally true. It´s very possible for him to simply have full cleared over and over with no regards to lanestates considering his cs, his stats dont tell the whole story. I feel like eve/hecarim/shyvana players are the worst contenders when it comes to that. Shyvanas and Hecarims obviously have insane clears and scale well, but that doesnt mean u should play afk until u get ur core items.
For me the most important thing is that these junglers are selfish just like graves They dont help your team to carry but they want to carry themselves I dont like this style but its fine But if you do it while the enemy doesnt and he smashes your lanes then you cant complain about your lanes getting smashed or saying that the enemy jungler is doing more because it simply could be true Like you said, stats dont tell the whole story But this picture blames the team for something that might be deserved (possible, not saying that its true tho)
One reason I love playing jg Zac. I intentionally try not to take kills from ganks. My goal early game is to farm up, take early objectives and make opportunity ganks, where the only goal is to get my laners fed. Come mid game, my spike comes and that's where my team fighting value exponentially rises because I have my champs natural power spike, and my team didn't fall behind so they can benefit maximally from my cc/aoe/tank/engage potential. If the enemy allows me to get to end game, it's game over for them unless something went extremely wrong for us. I will always make sure my carries are safe in team fights. It works very well.
Yeah yesterday i played in jg and I had Caitlyn mid against Victor. She was constantly pushing up and then getting ganked by enemy jg. After this hapenned like 3 times, she just said "jg gap." I laughed my ass off.
I mean it is, if u didn't do anything in that time. On one hand junglers complain about losing lanes that have no prio on the other if someone has prio, it's his fault if he gets ganked.
Lmao yeah it's weird. Sometimes lanes have prio because wavestates at that point in time forced the laner to push. In that scenario laners should play safe if jg nowhere to be found, sure. But if laners have prio because they are stomping enemy laner, denying XP/Gold and/or creating a substantial HP differential, jungler should absolutely be looking at that lane to at the very least countergank, if not hover the laner and play around their prio. At that point, yes, if the enemy jg ganks a laner like that with no response from your jg, it absolutely is your jg's fault.
Today I had a kayle feed 0/6/1 top lane while my midlaner was flaming me for getting stunned by the xerath twice
30 cs ahead :✅ 4 kills ahead : ✅ Item lead : ✅ Botlaners: yeah jungle gap is bigggg
below diamond players are barely human even diamond not an exception to playing like animals but more often than not they have more game knowledge no point even typing or responding to them, best player is weakside that lets himself get carried instead of being a pig with an ego freaking out that theyre gapped
Cant agree hard enough with this....sadge really.
Insta report & mute. You’ll always have idiots that blame you for the most random things. The dumbest possible reasons. They face check a bush while you’re nearby and die. They die in 3 minutes to a solo kill. They get ganked once. You take one of their caster minions. /all report jg, inting And then proceed to run it down/afk/follow you around. Just insta mute & report.
Today a yasuo lost trade in midlane and started ? ping me in my midle of taking wolfs... This is a thing alright ppl will blame sht like bad weather on you without a flinch.XD
The worst part is that none of the lanes are really down too much but adcs gotta mental boom if they aren’t the main character at any point
ADC crying about jg AGAIN? No way bro Ed: keep playing fellow, dont let them tilt you
Just like others have screenshots of you being the reason for losing. Noone plays perfect every game. Every role flames the other roles. Grow up. If you can't climb it's on you.
Funny thing, jungles have the most impact in many lanes, specially fraggers jungles like you, negative impact, and don't even realise what you are doing wrong. When you are going to gank, you need to take into consideration the minions, exp and all that, sometimes you are making your lanes give up on farm and exp to help your gank, and he loses health, have to go base and loses waaaay more exp and gold while you get the kill and go back to your jungle. So yeah, if you are going the get the kills at least make sure you are going to have enough impact to help lanes and get the objectives
Bronze take.
You are the only player they can blame besides themselves and blame is much easier for an emotionally fragile/unintelligent person than admitting their errors or the enemies' good play. I dont even know how an Ahri can die midlane to a gank unless making pretty egregious errors.
well you are down 30 CS....
He's up... As you can see😅
my bad i thought he was the eve. didn't look carefully.
disable chat
I agree with ashe, always jg diff!
Is nobody catching that Ashe has a decently high vision score for pisslow and Morgana doesn’t have support item upgrade at 12+ mins in??? Like wha???
The least delusional ADC, nothing special tho. I bet sometimes these people don't even bother to leash and disrespect the fact that jungler is wanted everywhere around the rift, and the losing lane is definitely not the most important target among the others.
Because the game is only their lane before 15min. If you are not ganking their lane specifically, you are therefore not playing the game. Also, toplane doesn't exist, it is a lie from Riot games...
Duh, if you took all the kills :D
Tbh, AP Shyv into 4 squishies sounds way better than AD
It is a jungle diff, but for you
Numbers don't tell the story, but nonetheless looks like bot was over from champ select tbh
Cait + Lux are the enemy team win condition. Karma / Eve / Darius are unlikely to carry the game. Garen won’t save you. So you should have focussed on shutting that bot lane down. Ashe + Morg have good gank set up, Cait / Lux have limited escapes, and Cait usually wants to push to get plates.
ah, the reason why i left the league. every lane is a precious snowflake. you gank top you gave a kill to you top lane,you took voidkrugs? bot lane immediately flames you for not ganking them although all they do is pushing hard like one long poop. the same goes on to all lanes. whenever you gank a lane, another lane flames you i started to copy paste "If I do not gank that is my fault, if you are ganked and die its your fault." and it actually worked but not always so i left the game. Peace fellow jungler
Mute all chat.
OK since everyone's venting here, I'm jumping on the bandwagon. Our mid was soft inting (diving full HP enemies at level 3-4 and spamming pings), bot was trying to win the lowest vision score world record. For the entire game, I couldn't gank anyone because they were diving, dead, or had no tower left. No objectives prio at all. No wards. Nothing. Team score was 23 to 10 by 19 mins, and our base was in ruins. Enemy guys went to do baron, I sneaked through their vision, stole the baron, killed them, and we ended the game off that wave I think. But of course, jungle gap, "jg useless", "bye I'm afk report jungler for not helping me dive early".
What's worse in my opinion as a jgler main is that when the losing bot has an opportunity to secure a dragon with me so we can improve our winning chance, they choose to be petty and recall. Fucking hard stuck motherfuxking bish ass fuk.
I have noticed that the amount of ignorance from the laners in how the jungle works is incredible, they think the jungler is like a roaming support or something and is baffling they lose their lane in record speeds and expect the jungler to come and makeup for their mistakes. Like dude you lost lane at draft picking veigar vs their Katarina who picked blind like come on!.
I just tell them the same thing every game: not my fault you lost lane and babysitting losing lanes isn't my job. Like what do they expect? They feed 3-4 kills and give their opposing laner a 2 level lead and expect me, fed or not, to be able to fix their problem? As junglers our job is to punish mistakes, not to try and fix them
best way to climb as a jungler is to mute all every single game
Wait a secons there's a chat in this game?
One of the dumbest things people do is think that them dying to ganks over and over means that THEIR jungler is playing badly.
Tiamat Garen? Wisp ahri? IE first item cait? What elo is this game?
Bronze.....at best.
Bro delete the screen shots and get over it . It's just a game . Why are you keeping receipts
Garen mercs lmao
Should get laners ahead
I just ended up rotating to top main cause I got tired of that shit. A recent game I went 6 - 0 with Jax by like 8 minutes and the enemy team said to report their JG for not helping enough even though they'd ganked mid and not successfully like 3 times each. I asked why their top lane kept coming out to duke it out with me and his response was "JG would've come top if he wasn't trash." It's totally baffling that he had no defensive instincts to turtle up and THEN maybe JG would come. I wouldn't be thrilled about the prospect of ganking a top Jax that's 6-0 knowing I'm pretty much going in to die.
Gotta just have chat disabled to play jg IMO 99/100 interactions on chat are not going to help you win. Just use pings
I would recomand u to say. Sorry i know i could have done so much more sorry to let u guys down and than Mute chat and keep playing. If u lucky they get thier shit together and stop inting.
Jgl diff
"thanks for noticing I am very far ahead, play defensive and we will carry"
I feel your pain buddy. Just mute and stay strong.
/MUTEALL
Only got one grubby. Clearly inting and jg gap
My favorite is getting spam pinged for not dying with them in their 1v4 they started
Switch to DotA2 theres no official jungle role there.
Only 1 void grub? Not taking the rest before rift herald? Smh, jg gap too big, go next
ofc it's the ADC complaining
Clearly a jg diff, I mean seriously? The enemy jgler has 3 assists and you have 0! You aren't helping your team at all! /s
Well are you using your lead to impact lanes like you should be doing? Or just perma sitting in jg farming camps and not contesting vision, punishing pushed up laners, punishing laners wasting their CD's, etc. Stats mean nothing if you can't be useful to your team in some way.
this is why I had riot deactivate my account
You’re playing against Caitlyn/Lux bot lane — pushed under your turret, btw — and you haven’t ganked yet? You’re just opting to lose, I guess.
you can be 20/0 but solo queue laners still wont play around u because their ego wont allow it, and if they lose its cuz u never ganked!
I get it! I used to play top and now I'm learning jungle and it's super frustrating to press Tab and see your entire team intend while you weren't there. I don't know how healthy it is to take a screenshot every time. It certainly won't help you get better or enjoy the game more.