Gonna miss Mckennie a lot, he helped us immensely in some of our roughest years. I’m sure he’ll go on to have an impressive career if he’s managed correctly. Don’t get me wrong, I definitely agree with the trade, but I’ll always remember his goal against Barcelona to shine a little on a rough few years.
Pretty sure Wes has performed at the very limit of his ability. I don't really think he has it in him to improve more. Not a world class player but always gives his best. Probably a really good guy to have in the squad for pushing others and personality wise as well seems to be a great guy. But there are much better players out there.
Interista coming in peace
This is a bargain, Giuntoli is cooking.
If you guys manage to add Koopmeiners as well...
Our midfield will have a serious contender.
Good luck for next season, happy to see you guys free from the Livornese Horse-enjoyer
Great move...I watch more premier league than anything else and am definitely a fan of Luiz...thay being said I would've liked to see illing Jr a lot more
Is Koop really what we need? I mean if it wasnt for his price tag and his injury i would totally be on board but maybe 60 Million is too much for us right now? Cant Giuntoli find a cheaper option?
Lmao you can't just give him an impossible task lol.
I think someone like Brahim Diaz could be a potentially available alternative option for a lower price with a similar level of quality, as I have no idea how he will ever fit into Real now that Mbappe and Endrick are there aswell as Vini, Bellingham, Rodrygo, Guler, Valverde.... I think his price would be high now, but still 10m lower than Koops, and by winter I think he will looking for other options with an even lower price.
Soule. Can play as a winger and AM, younger, has more talent and potential, way better dribbler, faster, smarter, more creative, better chance creator, need I say more? Compare his stats with Koopeienrs and watch his videos especially the one Brazil Scout posted about him on YT recently if you have your doubts. Been unlucky with his shooting but he’ll improve with time and with a great up and coming coach like Motta he will surely get better than before as he fits perfectly in Motta’s tactics and gameplan.
Instead of spending 50+ million euros in Poopmeiners spend that money on Calafiori before the Euros come and his value rises even higher. Buying a potentially world class ball playing cb is our top priority, we can’t have Gatti nor a nobody like Djalo starting for our team or else Juve can say bye bye to ever becoming a feared team again.
Koop is a midfielder who can play more forward.
Soule is a winger.
Koop is significantly better than Soule and it isn’t even close. Saying Soule is smarter and more creative than Koop is insanity
Do u hear yourself? How old do you have to be to be this closed minded and delusional? Didn’t I just say he can play as an AM? He is one of the best wingers in Serie A, he obviously plays more forward than Kopmeinefs. His stats speak for themselves which show how big of a rising young talent he is becoming in Europe. If you are that hard headed that you believe stats are a bunch of nonsensical mumbo jumbo then just watch the video Brazil Scout posted about him on YT recently. Please do.
I’ve seen videos upon videos on Poopmeiners over the seasons and I’ve never seen him create as many clear cut chances as Soule did in just that single video. Kopleiners is overrated as fuck in my objective opinion, he does jack shit in big games for Atalanta who at his age should be contributing with at least a big chance. Missed 2 big chances against Liverpool, did nothing much against Liverpool, Marseille, and Leverkusen. Not a big game player at all and he’s over 25. Hell he isn’t even the best attacking player in his team, Lookman is who is the main reason they won the godamn trophy. I dgaf if he can play CM, AM, DM, FM, GK, Motta is playing 11 men not 11 Koopas. After all, jack of all trades master of none.
He can score yes, but how many of them were outside the box? 3. Most of the shots he scored were open opportunities created by his own teammates, he’s similar to Mkennie in that regard where they excel in scoring open chances instead of assisting. Any player can finish their chances with game experience, the right coach and teammates to help teach them, and the right mindset to manifest their goals. Factors that I believe Juve can help broaden his skillsets into becoming a bigger player than he already is since he’s already got the mentality part checked out. And with game experience he’s played just as many games as Koopmeiners meaning he’s got the perfect body of a professional player who isn’t going to suffer with a plague of injuries anytime sooner.
Soule is young and has years to improve in becoming one of the best forwards in Europe. He reminds me a lot of Di Maria with the way he plays with the ball at his feet. But you know what Juve should spend 70+ million euros on an overrated Serie A midfielder failing to buy Calafiori as a result and Kiwiman arrives instead. If that’s what you and many other Guintoli fans want then go with it. Let’s see what happens. I’ve stopped caring about this team anyways, my favorite cousin just passed away due to cancer and I’m not in the mood to get frustrated with this club anymore.
I think we'd have gotten more value/output out of keeping McKennie/Iling Jr and letting them ride out their contract + another player roughly worth $20M than we will out of Douglas Luiz but I'd be happy for him to prove me wrong.
Ignoring the fact both mckennie and illing have 1 year left, we are trading future potential for current performance in our weakest area. Can’t have everything, and Tbf illing didn’t have a great year. I don’t think he ever got back the level of those first breakout games
Mckennie is so far away from Douglas Luiz level though it’s not certain he will ever get close. It was mckennies best year and his limitations are still clear. Illing might never amount to anything and he’s never shown yildiz or soule level ability over more than a substitute appearance. We are getting a dang good deal from a value perspective
He DID want to stay, just wanted more money. In a perfect world McKennie would stay as a depth piece, but it simply doesn't work within the confines of the club's new wage structure.
McKennie
Pros: very versatile, can play in different positions, great defending skills but also capable of creating good attacking chances, has more energy than half of the team and covers a lot of the ground. Will always try to recover the ball if he loses it.
Cons: maintaining his fitness form is a bit of a challenge for him, have a good nutrition team to keep him in check and he’s not super technically gifted.
Iling Jr
Pros: lot of potential, very technically skilled, nice dribbling, fast. Premier League defends differently from Serie A, so he’ll probably have an easier time than he had in Serie A. He’s very young so he can improve a lot.
Cons: as another user said, his skills don’t always translate to efficiency on the field. He’s a bit of a rough diamond and will need to be refined. He sometimes takes the wrong decision (one more dribbling, face the defence head on etc) so your coach will need to work on his discipline and tactical intelligence.
All in all I think you’re getting one solid player and a great talent.
Thank you! I ask because a lot of people seem to have bad things to say about McKennie mainly from his time at Leeds so it’s nice to get a different perspective on him. And as for Iling well not many of us know anything about him.
high what? i mean....just McKennie, Iling and 20m for Douglas Messi? Aston Villa should be offended by so low offer for the best player in football history
He is not joking. He is implying that Giuntoli is doing a bad job by offering 2 players + money for a DL that according to him is not worth. He called him “the best player in football history” in his reply, here we are all Juve supporter, this behavior is not cool, opinion are fine, but without trolling, that is not nice, for some of us Juve is a very big deal.
And you are too busy to understand that it was an insult to the professionalism of our management. Critics are ok, opinions too, trolling in the Juve sub not, go comment on r/soccer, they love to shit on us. Not here please.
E andiamo
As a Brazilian Juve fan I couldn't be more excited about this. I always thought Douglas Luiz has immense potential
I’d he good?
Yes I think he is great. He has more bite as a defender than Loca but not the same build up play quality. He plays more like a Khedira with more pace
Gonna miss Mckennie a lot, he helped us immensely in some of our roughest years. I’m sure he’ll go on to have an impressive career if he’s managed correctly. Don’t get me wrong, I definitely agree with the trade, but I’ll always remember his goal against Barcelona to shine a little on a rough few years.
Pretty sure Wes has performed at the very limit of his ability. I don't really think he has it in him to improve more. Not a world class player but always gives his best. Probably a really good guy to have in the squad for pushing others and personality wise as well seems to be a great guy. But there are much better players out there.
Same man. Always liked weston. At least he had a good last season
Is he a good player?
Yes. Great player
Rabiot type If we keep rabiot too we will have a good bench
No no no, other than both being able to play box to box, he's much more complete of a midfielder.
Much more creative than Rabiot. Think Rabiot's physicality with a Pjanic's passing
I'll miss you Wes. Definitely didn't get the appreciation you deserved
Wes was such a pleasant surprise.
Seems like good business though I'm sad to see McKennie go, but doesn't this have the potential to create issues like the previous swap deals?
Interista coming in peace This is a bargain, Giuntoli is cooking. If you guys manage to add Koopmeiners as well... Our midfield will have a serious contender. Good luck for next season, happy to see you guys free from the Livornese Horse-enjoyer
Koopmeiner,Douglas Luiz and Calafiori Juve are cooking
Preciate the civility. Were also glad the horse fucker is gone
Thanks man ✌🏻
Great move...I watch more premier league than anything else and am definitely a fan of Luiz...thay being said I would've liked to see illing Jr a lot more
Good. Good. Now go get Koop!
Everyone who's on the Koop hype train, I don't think we have the funds that Atalanta is requesting for him
Not to purchase straight outz lol, but throw a player in and it's feasible.
Is Koop really what we need? I mean if it wasnt for his price tag and his injury i would totally be on board but maybe 60 Million is too much for us right now? Cant Giuntoli find a cheaper option?
Maybe. Name a better, available, cheaper, creative mid.
Lmao you can't just give him an impossible task lol. I think someone like Brahim Diaz could be a potentially available alternative option for a lower price with a similar level of quality, as I have no idea how he will ever fit into Real now that Mbappe and Endrick are there aswell as Vini, Bellingham, Rodrygo, Guler, Valverde.... I think his price would be high now, but still 10m lower than Koops, and by winter I think he will looking for other options with an even lower price.
Isn't that Giuntoli's job? We don't get paid for this shit
Soule. Can play as a winger and AM, younger, has more talent and potential, way better dribbler, faster, smarter, more creative, better chance creator, need I say more? Compare his stats with Koopeienrs and watch his videos especially the one Brazil Scout posted about him on YT recently if you have your doubts. Been unlucky with his shooting but he’ll improve with time and with a great up and coming coach like Motta he will surely get better than before as he fits perfectly in Motta’s tactics and gameplan. Instead of spending 50+ million euros in Poopmeiners spend that money on Calafiori before the Euros come and his value rises even higher. Buying a potentially world class ball playing cb is our top priority, we can’t have Gatti nor a nobody like Djalo starting for our team or else Juve can say bye bye to ever becoming a feared team again.
Koop is a midfielder who can play more forward. Soule is a winger. Koop is significantly better than Soule and it isn’t even close. Saying Soule is smarter and more creative than Koop is insanity
Do u hear yourself? How old do you have to be to be this closed minded and delusional? Didn’t I just say he can play as an AM? He is one of the best wingers in Serie A, he obviously plays more forward than Kopmeinefs. His stats speak for themselves which show how big of a rising young talent he is becoming in Europe. If you are that hard headed that you believe stats are a bunch of nonsensical mumbo jumbo then just watch the video Brazil Scout posted about him on YT recently. Please do. I’ve seen videos upon videos on Poopmeiners over the seasons and I’ve never seen him create as many clear cut chances as Soule did in just that single video. Kopleiners is overrated as fuck in my objective opinion, he does jack shit in big games for Atalanta who at his age should be contributing with at least a big chance. Missed 2 big chances against Liverpool, did nothing much against Liverpool, Marseille, and Leverkusen. Not a big game player at all and he’s over 25. Hell he isn’t even the best attacking player in his team, Lookman is who is the main reason they won the godamn trophy. I dgaf if he can play CM, AM, DM, FM, GK, Motta is playing 11 men not 11 Koopas. After all, jack of all trades master of none. He can score yes, but how many of them were outside the box? 3. Most of the shots he scored were open opportunities created by his own teammates, he’s similar to Mkennie in that regard where they excel in scoring open chances instead of assisting. Any player can finish their chances with game experience, the right coach and teammates to help teach them, and the right mindset to manifest their goals. Factors that I believe Juve can help broaden his skillsets into becoming a bigger player than he already is since he’s already got the mentality part checked out. And with game experience he’s played just as many games as Koopmeiners meaning he’s got the perfect body of a professional player who isn’t going to suffer with a plague of injuries anytime sooner. Soule is young and has years to improve in becoming one of the best forwards in Europe. He reminds me a lot of Di Maria with the way he plays with the ball at his feet. But you know what Juve should spend 70+ million euros on an overrated Serie A midfielder failing to buy Calafiori as a result and Kiwiman arrives instead. If that’s what you and many other Guintoli fans want then go with it. Let’s see what happens. I’ve stopped caring about this team anyways, my favorite cousin just passed away due to cancer and I’m not in the mood to get frustrated with this club anymore.
Douglas Luiz & Bruno Guimaraes are Brazil’s best midfielders currently.
Seems a bit too expensive. Illing should not be swapped.
Both McKennie and Illing are on the last years of their contracts. IMO this is good business
Ok I can be persuaded. If Illing wanted to go next year then it puts the business in another perspective.
Good for iling to leave, gives him game tume at his actual position
I think we'd have gotten more value/output out of keeping McKennie/Iling Jr and letting them ride out their contract + another player roughly worth $20M than we will out of Douglas Luiz but I'd be happy for him to prove me wrong.
Really? I find this kind of a steal actually
I think the general consensus was Iling wanted to go elsewhere when his contract ended soon
Ignoring the fact both mckennie and illing have 1 year left, we are trading future potential for current performance in our weakest area. Can’t have everything, and Tbf illing didn’t have a great year. I don’t think he ever got back the level of those first breakout games
Don't forget the fact that Luiz is older than both players.
Mckennie is so far away from Douglas Luiz level though it’s not certain he will ever get close. It was mckennies best year and his limitations are still clear. Illing might never amount to anything and he’s never shown yildiz or soule level ability over more than a substitute appearance. We are getting a dang good deal from a value perspective
I wish we would have tried to keep Weston. At worst, he’d be a very good and very versatile depth piece, in a pretty shallow pool of midfield talent.
He didn't want to stay and Juventus didn't want to increase his pay
He DID want to stay, just wanted more money. In a perfect world McKennie would stay as a depth piece, but it simply doesn't work within the confines of the club's new wage structure.
from an aston villa fan, how good are Mckennie and Illing Jr? strengths and weaknesses?
McKennie Pros: very versatile, can play in different positions, great defending skills but also capable of creating good attacking chances, has more energy than half of the team and covers a lot of the ground. Will always try to recover the ball if he loses it. Cons: maintaining his fitness form is a bit of a challenge for him, have a good nutrition team to keep him in check and he’s not super technically gifted. Iling Jr Pros: lot of potential, very technically skilled, nice dribbling, fast. Premier League defends differently from Serie A, so he’ll probably have an easier time than he had in Serie A. He’s very young so he can improve a lot. Cons: as another user said, his skills don’t always translate to efficiency on the field. He’s a bit of a rough diamond and will need to be refined. He sometimes takes the wrong decision (one more dribbling, face the defence head on etc) so your coach will need to work on his discipline and tactical intelligence. All in all I think you’re getting one solid player and a great talent.
Thank you! I ask because a lot of people seem to have bad things to say about McKennie mainly from his time at Leeds so it’s nice to get a different perspective on him. And as for Iling well not many of us know anything about him.
i think we should add Vlahovic too.
Are you high?
high what? i mean....just McKennie, Iling and 20m for Douglas Messi? Aston Villa should be offended by so low offer for the best player in football history
Trolling much? Let the man work. But if you feel this is too little you can send some pie to Aston Villa so you’ll feel better.
Surprised people didn't get your joke and instantly downvoted
He is not joking. He is implying that Giuntoli is doing a bad job by offering 2 players + money for a DL that according to him is not worth. He called him “the best player in football history” in his reply, here we are all Juve supporter, this behavior is not cool, opinion are fine, but without trolling, that is not nice, for some of us Juve is a very big deal.
People likes to downvote everything. I downvote only wrong contents, not different opinions
Such a free speech warrior, every dictator must shit his pants seeing so much bravery and honour
And you are too busy to understand that it was an insult to the professionalism of our management. Critics are ok, opinions too, trolling in the Juve sub not, go comment on r/soccer, they love to shit on us. Not here please.
https://preview.redd.it/1ktkyglgbe6d1.png?width=222&format=png&auto=webp&s=37832f3a902feb8c64c3ced07c2395b1fae39970 I’m sorry, what!?
Too much barter for mid player,can't even get to Brazil squad lol
He’s on the Brazil squad.
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How people just talk out of their ass so freely will always boggle my mind😂 The internet exists