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Itcouldberabies

I think he has a better chance than Moore, but frankly that’s a bar so low that Hermes Conrad would struggle to limbo under it.


ShallotUpset53

Love random Futurama references lol


Madlister

I think you're technically correct


ShazlettDude

Which Edit: I’m high and meant to type “The best kind of correct.” But fyzzle started a chain and I don’t want to leave him hanging.


Fyzzle

is the


jacobartillery

Best


moobearsayneigh

Kind of


Kansaswinter420

Correct


chiefpiece11bkg

Yeah I’d argue it’s the opposite. Toney is a headcase and clearly doesn’t care much about football outside the money. His attitude sucks, zero effort, blames his issues on surrounding problems instead of taking accountability This subs infatuation with hating on sky moore like he did something wrong is mind blowing. Dude came from a tiny school and needed work already. Was forced to play out of position BECAUSE of Toney (and also mvs regression) and his lack of effort, and it shows last year. Moore has a thousand more tools to be an actually competent nfl receiver. He may never be a starting quality player but he could be a decent wr3 or slot player in the right offense with his skillset. Also played through injury last season. But yeah Toney, the guy who gave up on this team in the playoffs while sky actually tried working back from injury to help his team that needed more depth at the spot. Instead Toney was out there tweeting about the team lying on him when we were prepping for a Super Bowl


dogfish83

>Moore has a thousand more tools to be an actually competent nfl receiver. He may never be a starting quality player but he could be a decent wr3 or slot player in the right offense with his skillset And what tools might those be? Yeah he'll get a few catches because he's playing with Mahomes, Reid, and Co. but he sucks and you know it.


lmflex

Barbados slim!


chiefs_fan37

“I’m just like Hermes! I’m just like Hermes!”


Whole_Objective6006

NO BOY, STOP, IT'S TOO LOW, YA BACKBONE CAN'T TAKE IT


IWantDarkMode

It’s all mental, and that’s not easy to fix.


Reedabook64

I'm sure they thought the same thing about JaMarcus Russell. He had all the physical tools, too. The NFL, and especially an Andy Reid offense, is a lot more the just running and jumping and jukes.


DasFunke

QB is not the same as WR though. I’m not saying Toney is fixable, in the Super Bowl 2 years ago he couldn’t get more than 5 snaps, but the fact he can’t be a contributor when healthy is baffling. Even if he’s just running 10 go routes a game with like 1 jet sweep and 1 WR screen, but he can’t seem to do that.


Foul_Imprecations

At this point we can't even use him as a decoy.


bigfoot509

It's not all mental Tony's problem isn't the dropped passes, it's that his juking style is too hard for his body to handle, leading to constant injury


IWantDarkMode

Toney’s problem isn’t the dropped passes, you say? Yeah ok


bigfoot509

He had trouble seeing the field consistently even in 2022 and also missed time in 2023 The dude is always hurt The dropped passes only seems bad because it happens during the rare time he's actually healthy


IWantDarkMode

Last year his problem was definitely drops. In fact he himself even said he was put on ice and wasn’t injured when he got benched at the end of the season.  I’d agree the majority of his career injuries have been his problem. But again, injuries don’t just happen in a vacuum. If your mind isn’t right and you’re not committed to football, you don’t get your body right and you hurt yourself easier.


bigfoot509

Rashee rice had plenty of drops last year, but because he played in every game all season, his catches ended up far outweighing his drops Toney didn't play in every game so he never got the opportunity to balance his stats out Toney was held out because of that dumb Instagram post he made Toney's actual problem is that he can't stay healthy, even Brett veach agrees with me So high drops looks worse with limited chances Are you telling me nobody with a right mind gets injured? But what happened to it all being mental? Also, remind me was toney the only chiefs WR with lots of drops? It seems to me that most of the team was having trouble with that, that's a coaching issue If it was just toney then you'd have more of a point


IWantDarkMode

His main problem last season had to be mental. A WR doesn’t just suddenly forget to catch wide open passes. He made crucial mistakes. Don’t compare him to Rashee if you don’t want to sound like you’re just yapping..


bigfoot509

Was toney the only chiefs WR to consistently drop passes last year? https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs-team-stats?category=receiving&season=2023 When every WR is dropping passes and making crucial mistakes it's incredibly disingenuous to single out one guy and say he was the worst, especially when the stats don't back you up


IWantDarkMode

He was the worst. He dropped passes in the worst moments, caused interceptions. Made us lose games. Got put on ice and went on IG and made a fool of himself. Toney was the worst


bigfoot509

The stars don't back that up, he was statistically better than several guys The difference is toney was very limited in playing time because of injury, so his mistakes seemed more than it was


deskamess

He needs to save himself though. Commit to the game this year. There is a mental aspect to this and he can help himself by staying off social media from pre-season onwards. Focus in practice. Complete catches even if you don't run with it (YAC). He needs to believe he can catch the ball again; everyone needs to believe that.


Otterman2006

Kadarius has to want to save Kadarius first. He just has to put the work in and stay healthy but from a lot of accounts he just isn’t willing to put the work in.


GrandpaBuff

If Patrick Mahomes can’t elevate your game and career you’re a god damn chump.


NextTime76

I’m going to give him another shot this season.


milky6969

\> Also does anyone know why he wears a headscarf? I think he has alopecia.


bnsmchrr

If that's his head and not dreadlocks under there he has a really weird (and coincidentally) shaped skull.


chililpox

No. Next question.


AviationSkinCare

like chewing gum and walking, he has proven he is not capable of complex tasks....


DrBlazkowicz

We’re on to Worthy…


Fyzzle

There's a lot of trains at the hype station right now, but Toney's is decidedly low on fuel.


imapissonitdripdrip

That guy got two Super Bowl rings and four years in the NFL. He probably gets one or two more short contracts on the strength of that punt return against the Eagles. As far as careers go, that’s pretty good.


Thicbiscuit_datgravy

I'm convinced he's a case of all the talent, none of the work ethic. He's not joining in on the Mahomes Texas receiver camps. There were reports around the time he was traded that he didn't he didn't put work into the weight room. That kind of conditioning goes a long way to preventing injuries. You can't fix someone who won't work to be fixed


mustbedamned

He was working with Mahomes in Texas. Not saying he has great work ethic but he was there. https://kckingdom.com/posts/kadarius-toney-spotted-working-out-with-patrick-mahomes-01hv70mby0yp


Thicbiscuit_datgravy

Hell yeah, I missed that and I'm glad to hear it. Thanks!


Independent_Hall9979

Literally last year he decided to skip the off season workout with Mahomes and worked out in Florida with whoever and clearly that haunted him. So I’m definitely glad he chose to go this time so I think he wants this just as bad as anyone else.


chrispymcreme

He was at the Texas wr camp


Fyzzle

> You can't fix someone who won't work to be fixed This is so damn true, and we all probably know a person or two like that in our lives.


BinaryBlitzer

That's like me, having the potential and talent to do great things (in my profession (software engineering) and in my area of passion (photography)), but doesn't do jackshit and doesn't want any responsibility and wants to be a child. No wonder I empathize with Toney so much and feel bad when he receives negativity. :(


Thicbiscuit_datgravy

Fam same. I have a PhD in chemistry and motivation can be hard on shit. Guarantee it'll be there if I find something I want bad enough though. That's true for a lot of people.


BinaryBlitzer

Yeah man. I was diagnosed with ADHD a few years ago. Things make sense to me, but it gets really hard to explain to others, including spouse, why I deeply care about only a few things that make my dopamine rush, and end up not caring about other things.


Thicbiscuit_datgravy

Saaaame. And you're anxious and feel bad because you want to care about and do things, so you feel bad and get anxious, but it just doesn't work. ADHD is rough. Im finding routine helps me, but establishing one sucks ass. Lol


BinaryBlitzer

I feel like "I understand" when people point out the issues, but then I never implement anything lol. So that same lack of effort then gets highlighted as oh if you cared you would have thought about it or put in the effort or adopted a routine or taken responsibility. I hate to say it that the negativity has come to a point that what I used to understand and own up to has completely turned into being defensive and over explaining oneself, so that I am not misunderstood, because there is just too much negative criticism all the time. And that in itself ends up getting perceived as argument and gaslighting. Ugh it's so vicious. And to add to that, severe depression, and no motivation to get out of bed and look forward to anything in the day. I'm so sorry I am going on a rant. I have not been able to talk to anyone about it for years now.


formyamusementation

If Kadarious stays healthy, he will shock some folks. He tried to come back too soon by playing in the first game. Chiefs needed him because Travis was hurt. He want ready to go. He had a horrible game and it got in his head. It was a downward spiral from there. I think the chiefs get a good year out if him and he is off to another team next season


OwlsWatch

Absolutely not. He can go cry about it with Dee Ford.


Suds79

We haven't seen all this potential. Yes he's super quick but where are these big game breaking plays with all that quickness? It rarely happens. I'm not interested in saving him. He has bad hands and flat out is bust. Appreciate his one really big play for us. That made getting him worth it but at this point I'm good with moving on when the time comes.


Heidelburg_TUN

People talk about him having "potential" and I'm not sure exactly what they mean. Yeah, he's good at making guys miss. In that one category, he's probably the best on the team, although that's not saying much. But what else is he good at? He's not especially tall, he's only sort of fast, he doesn't catch well, doesn't run routes well, doesn't block well, and his football IQ is obviously bad. To say nothing of his injury history. I would love to be proven wrong and watch him go for 1000 yards out of nowhere, but that's not going to happen. The Chiefs org is saying nice things about him because it doesn't make sense to cut him and we want to keep it positive. But whatever "potential" he does have is severely mitigated by the fact that he's bad at football.


Flobonious83

He gets yards after catches and is tougher than his size would indicate. His hands and work ethic need serious attention. His potential seems obvious almost every time he’s ever caught the ball. They clearly don’t need him though.


TenderfootGungi

>Yeah, he's good at making guys miss. In that one category, he's probably the best on the team, although that's not saying much I disagree. There are lots of fast guys. It is the receivers that are freaks of nature athletically and with insane body control that are elite. That is what Toney has. That is what makes Hill amazing. But if he is not healthy enough to be on the field and his head is not in the game it does not matter.


Pastor_Satan

Nope. Dude is a liability. Plain and simple


Own_Experience_8229

That’s up to Kadarius.


Far_Youth_1662

So many people ready to dump him. Probably the same ones ready to dump MVS before he made the catch that sent us to the Super Bowl Probably the same ones ready to not give Hardman another chance before he made the catch that won us the Super Bowl. Y’all are fans of the Back to Back SB champs, quit being such bittermen.


pinniped1

To be fair I could have kitted up and made that catch in the Super Bowl. I wish they'd covered the corndog like they were supposed to. The play was designed for Jet. The MVS catch was fucking clutch. He was our playoff Johnny Cueto.


CasualGiraffeInPrada

Bro if he can catch again I wouldn’t mind him playing more he’s good when he catches the ball. He did do a good job at getting open at least lol


Deep-Secret

We gotta ditch this "I can change him" mentality. That's how toxic relationships start. I'll root for the guy, but I'm not going to count on him for anything. Same goes for Moore. I just expect them not to actively hurt the team when they're on the field. Other than that, anything we get from those guys is profit.


freelance-t

Nobody in this thread is mentioning the obvious: we’ve got a WR coach that is a nepotism hire, with 0 qualifications or experience. I honestly think if we had an actual NFL caliber coach in charge of the receivers, MVS, Toney, and Skyy would have produced far better. Those three players have/had a ton of potential to be solid players. The fact that they all stagnated or regressed even with Mahomes throwing to the is absolutely bizarre. I really think the coach is at least partially responsible.


AlanStanwick1986

I view him and Skyy like I hope they don't make the team because we have better players. 


Ayahuasca-Dreamin

Why?


AngryMoose125

Because cutting him won’t save any cap space and there’s a year left on his contract so might as well


FilledwithTegridy

More like can Kadarius save himself. Whatever happened in NY fine they moved on and you left that dumpster fire wearing a golden parachute landing in KC. The talent is there we have all seen it. Can he put it together physically and mentally is on him at this point.


cockknocker1

RUN


bluedaytona392

He belongs to the city now.


D-Sleezy

No


blackpinecone

Nothing motivates like a contract year. That said, I think he’s really focused on his rhymin’ career.


[deleted]

I say let him thrive as a full time punt returner.


Waitn4ehUsername

No


hawksku999

No. Why the fuck would he get it now? A team gave up on a first round WR in year 2. He has had a year and a half with KC and is been trash. What on god's green earth would suggest he would "get it" or be "saved"?


Flobonious83

I totally get it, but I’ll never compare the dude to trash after his record long punt return and the following TD. That was sick as hell and it transformed the game. He strung together a number of impressive plays in 2022 that we forget about. Again, not expecting anything, but I want to root for him to turn it around.


EpicPleasure_

Regardless if it’s a mental issue, lack of work ethic, or just bad circumstances like injuries or the wide receiver coach like all the comments are saying, the team and Mahomes can only do so much if Toney doesn’t save himself. He ACTIVELY hurts the team with the way he performs Unfortunately, this league, like most professions, is based on production. If it doesn’t work out, it’s onto the next guy, and that’s probably for the best. Thanks for that SB punt return though!


BackNBlack58

Dude we have a better chance of reviving the career of Snoop Minnis at this point


dmh165638

Ironically, by declining the 5th year option the Chiefs have given him the most motivation they can. He is a FA after this season so it is a make or break year for him. Either way he isn't coming back. He either has another trash year or balls out in a contract year and someone else throws money at him.


theromanempire1923

I’m still waiting on De’Anthony Thomas to break out


pinniped1

I'm still sitting on a barstool telling anyone will listen that Dexter McCluster is going to be a star.


Flobonious83

Anything is possible with this team. Would love to see Toney live up to his potential.


ImNotTheBossOfYou

He's on the roster no matter what so you may as well try


KingTutt91

No


RoseRed1987

Bad case of the Yips.. and not the medical kind.. no medical reason that can be seen for the drops..


CorenCorias

I think Toney may have concentration issues and possibly ADHD. I'm not a physician but he has lots of the signs.


GhostMug

At this point it's not up to the Chiefs. It's up to KT. He has all the talent in the world and can be a very good receiver but he has to want to put in the work. That was the knock on him coming out, that's why the Giants gave up on him, and it continues to be his issue. Not sure if he'll change, but he has to want to be "the guy". And it's not gonna be given to him like it was last year. He's gonna have to earn it.


bigbadhonda

Toney's biggest problem is staying healthy. IMO, the drops are mostly the result of not enough reps with Pat (which comes from being in injury rehab more consistently than practice). If he can get healthy for a full year, and have a full offseason's worth of training, I think he's got the speed and talent to be an elite WR.


bigfoot509

Nobody can save toney, it's not his fault but his body just can't handle his hard juking style A lot of his injuries happen when he's out there juking people, his body just can't handle it


AngryMoose125

Maybe he just needs a knee brace or something?


bigfoot509

He needs a hip brace, though I don't think they make such a thing


AngryMoose125

As a man who has to wear a knee brace most days at 17 years old due to ligament damage, if one is not commercially produced it’d be easy to Jerry rig. A joint brace, when you get down to it, is a very thick piece of fabric that wraps all the way around the joint in such a way that it will allow full freedom of intentional movement whilst compressing the joint inwards enough to stop any movement that could be harmful (like, say, popping your hip out)


bigfoot509

Well as a 43yo who has bad hips due to being a giant I can tell you from experience they don't make athletic hip braces


AngryMoose125

My condolences for having bad hips- that sounds awful- maybe try wrapping yourself with ace bandages? It’s what I do with my knees when I don’t want to deal with the bulky ass athletic-style knee brace and although it’s not quite as effective it’s certainly considerably better than nothing


pauleide

The Chiefs would save no money by cutting him. The talent is there but the drops are so frustrating. He has been to Camp Pat so if QB1 trusts him I will too. No issue if he is WR4 or WR5. He might be needed for depth if Rice is out half the season


chiefpiece11bkg

Toney won’t make it through preseason this year unless he’s radically changed his mindset and is putting work into this For two years now he’s coasted off the teams success, doing nothing but be a distraction Call me skeptical


rkallday

No


sebaz

Yes. Put him at RB.


Troyal1

We will need a psychiatrist coach at the least