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DinnerImpossible1680

Chumma maark kodukunna system maatanam ,, Full A+ ollavark polum seat ilath avasthaa


solteiro1234

Ithanu adyam cheyyendath, then increase seats, ellavarkum A+ anu padikkathe kanjavu vittond nadakkumnavan vare pass akunnu pinne enthina exam ?


tomykiran

Kanjave vitavrke entha padiche pass avan patilea?


solteiro1234

Triggered ayo ! ๐ŸฅบKanjavu adich athum vittu classil kerathavare anu paranje allathe thankale pole padikkukayum kanjavu business side ayittu komdupokunnavarem alla paranja !


tomykiran

Adi mudi judgment analo masheaa.


solteiro1234

Nee alle choyiche ๐Ÿ˜‚ entho ariyavunnapole


tomykiran

Njan entha choiche than entha paranjea?


e_karma

Actually there are more science seats in Mallapuram than total number of full A+ holders ..that is only the government seats ..then there is the aided and private school seats ..I feel this is a ploy to get more batches by aided management so they can appointment more teachers by taking money


Entharo_entho

A+ ullavarkku seat kittiyal ningalkku santhosham avumo? Bakki ullavar enthu cheyyanam? Engane koottiyalum ethra seat undo athra admission mathrame nadakkoo.


DinnerImpossible1680

Thante logic vach nokkiyal 1000 additional IIT paniyaaaam ? Mark korav ollavarum just pass karkum IIT padikaaan moham kanikile?


PrestigiousWish105

There should ideally be 1000 IITs. It doesn't have to be an IIT, but education of similiar quality. It's totally reasonable to ask for 1000 such institutes for 300 million students in India. Students who barely miss IITs or AIIMS are not idiots.


CptFrostyBeard

preach!


sabin_72246

>education of similiar quality That's not possible, better quality education means higher standards and tougher assessments that too at a faster pace. Most average students can't keep up. If they could, the existing colleges would already be at a higher level. IITs and NITs perform well mainly due to the standard of the admitted students who can keep up with the rigorous pace. Even then, I've seen that the students coming through reservation often have a harder time than others. >who barely miss IITs or AIIMS There'll always be people who barely miss (even if there is 2000 colleges) until you can admit every single student. Even after that, these colleges will be ranked on the basis of student's performance.


TheEnlightenedPanda

These rats don't want that. They want maximum people to fail as early as possible so they don't have to face competition.


yadukvs

If one doesn't have the IQ, no amount of hard work is going to cut it. Bringing in more IITs are only going to dilute the brand value of existing IITs.


John_Ferrari

Shouldn't there be a 1000 IITs? The objective of quality education architecture is to make it accessible to everyone. In a country with hundreds of millions of students, the requirement that one should be in the top 1% to study in any decent college is absurd. The rest 99% aren't just pass people...


Entharo_entho

Yes, the shitty standards of colleges in Kerala too should be questioned and it shouldn't be limited to engineering education. It isn't like other colleges are faring any better when it comes to their courses and placements. Feel free to make another thread.


john00000zam

Man if you want to sort people based on something it should be competitive exam not a pass/fail exam. If everyone scoring between 90-100 , only 11 variation is possible to sort what you say 3 lakh students. It will create problem in allocation of seats. So how to solve the issue,allow possibility of variance from say pass mark 40 to 100 so it will 61 possible variance.


Entharo_entho

How does this solve the issue?


john00000zam

I was replying to main comment. Btw the solution for what you have mentioned is upgrading every highschool to higher secondary. Or combining both 9,10,11&12 into one high school diploma. And removing SSLC exam


john00000zam

I don't know whether it can be implemented by Kerala Gov alone.


vishnuprasadm

What if we just make 10th passing like just any other class? Whole educational system under 1-12 and only difference, people can choose their subjects after like 9th or 10th?


SpecialistReward1775

+2 is not the only option. You have ITIs, Youbhave Polytechnic schools. Honestly I think we need more skill based schools than more +2s.


Classic_Knowledge_25

Merit ullavarkk admission kodukkanam. Athanu priority.


ammayinte_koyikkal

Mark inflation


Entharo_entho

I assume people before that lived a comfortable life and the whole state wasn't starving.


DioTheSuperiorWaifu

Malabar lagged behind. Traditionally didn't get much attention. Nammal 3G. Malappuram does have a higher brithrate, in comparison to other districts. But birth rate un general is decreasing everywhere and that applies to Malappuram too, right? Some of our mithrams here seem to be forgetting that greater number of seats in higher education will help lower it. Maybe not too much to affect the dominance of the south, where these commentors are probably from. But more seats are surely needed.


ZestycloseBunch2

>Malappuram does have a higher brithrate, in comparison to other districts. But birth rate un general is decreasing everywhere and that applies to Malappuram too, right? Yes. But the birth rate is decreasing. But the birth number remains high unlike other districts because of high historical tfr and a large proportion of girls in the reproductive age group and very young marriages.


DioTheSuperiorWaifu

More seats would help in reducing early marriages n pregnancies.


ZestycloseBunch2

>More seats would help in reducing early marriages n pregnancies. Or if they have properly used seats instead of marrying off women. The thing is almost 1 out of 4 babies in kerala are born in malappuram. It's poor planning of the past governments. They should have known that population growth is exponential and should have planned accordingly with more schools.


Sv0777

Malappuram is the fastest growing urban area in terms of population in the world. They also have the highest population growth rate as compared to other districts in kerala by a huge margin. Attaining higher education is not gonna fix this problem since the influence of religion is so deep in the region and religion is a huge factor in having more babies.


techNroses

Yes, Malabar has less school seats. However, there is a darker motive behind this movement. Many managements wants +2 seats to be increased so that they can recruit more teachers and collect money.


techNroses

In a few years, Kerala will be forced to impliment NEP and merge High schools with +2 and the appointments would freeze up. Already because of Kerala's declining population, the number of new admissions are decreasing. New +2 batches would be very lucrative for the managements.


Glass_Row_7771

เดฎเดฒเดฏเดพเดณเดคเตเดคเดฟเตฝ เดชเดฑเดฏเต ๐Ÿ˜“๐Ÿ‘


kaakkathollaayiram

wth, then ask the govt to make new schools


techNroses

Are you kidding? New schools would take years.


kaakkathollaayiram

keeping this in mind and maligning management seats


Plantist420

Stop the grading system and revert to marks for secondary school admission. Also stop grace marks and liberal evaluation. Those are ruining future. Increase quality of science and maths syllabus.


Tottochan

This! Grading system and grace marks ruined the system. Bring back marks...good old days of distinctions and first classes.


Adventurous_Sky_3788

The whole education system needs to be reformed.


toddysimp

It's probably worse than then,10 years ago i only had a few a+s but still got my first choice school and stream by the 2nd allotment.


Entharo_entho

When I was young, MA Baby and E T Muhammed Basheer were blamed for the state of higher education, just like Sivankutti is blamed now. They were called stupid, illiterate, uneducated, ruffian, and what not. But was the situation better before them? No. It was even more pathetic. Parayunnath kettal thonnum avarkku mumbe ivide ellam Oxford, Cambridge standard education ayirunnu ennu. **I know redditors favour giving education to a select few privileged students they consider "smart", "worthy", "meritorious", and "eligible" and letting others rot in squalor. Ath ivide vannu seperate ayi ezhunnallikkanam ennilla.**


New_Pumpkin6485

MA baby, ET, and Shivan Kutty all are to blame for this grade inflation. No one from Reddit said only a few selected should receive education. Meritorious students should have higher preference for better courses in better schools. Meritorious students may be from low-income or high-income groups. As far as seat shortages are concerned, the government should increase the number of seats.


Entharo_entho

What was happening here before MA Baby, ET Muhammad Basheer and Sivankutti? If Keralites were living a comfortable life and they destroyed it, I will agree that they alone are to be blamed. Ivide oru kalathum oru thengayum mangatholiyum undayirunnilla.


New_Pumpkin6485

Students who were toppers earlier had good knowledge, which present all A+ students cannot claim. The unavailability of seats happened because seats were not increased proportionally to the population growth in certain districts. For both, the government is to be blamed.


Entharo_entho

Or only privileged and exceptional students reached that level. Like janmiyude makkal, valiya illathe kuttikal, already government job ullavarude makkal, valiya kachavadakkarude makkal and 2-3 children from lower socio-economic strata for token representation, if the institutions or the individual heads of the institutions were liberal.


New_Pumpkin6485

We are talking about 10th std. Not about IIT or MBBS admission. In 10th A lot people from lower socio economic background also have scored good marks back then too. Basically you are saying introduction grading system helped students lower socio-economic strata to perform well.. Giving marks without imparting knowledge is of no use. You are giving false sense of achievement to them , Rather than helping them to perform better.


Entharo_entho

Getting good marks in 10th didn't get "them" anywhere either. You are talking about "Pandathe 10am class ippolathe MA pole anu" generation. That was a few generations ago. They had value only because only a few students reached that level. By the time Thakazhi wrote Enippadikal (1964), even graduates were struggling for jobs. Obviously no one was giving them free marks or false sense of achievement.


New_Pumpkin6485

https://preview.redd.it/9s3ojs9qrp8d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6bf295542be3547f55e8e7d3c894ddedbb51fc8 This what happened after cuet exam replaced +2 marks for central university admission. This wouldnot have happen if students were properly guided and evaluated.


Entharo_entho

Don't worry. Our rote learning centers too started to offer coaching classes. I don't know whether they will be able to match the toxic standards but I am sure they are trying their best.


Glass_Row_7771

A+ vannamuthal ulla issue aan Society thanne เดตเต‡เดฑเตŠเดฐเต reason science eduthal ullu jeevitham ennoru misconception moolam palarum science edukkunnu fail aavunnu ๐Ÿ˜“๐Ÿ‘


ethereal_Djinn

The growth of education in Malabar has been exponential, While it has been gradual in other parts. Malabar would require a higher percentage rise compared to other parts.


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Own-Comment-5359

If you do understand exponential growth, please explain this. [Malappuram Historical Population growth rate](https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/cities/21415/thiruvananthapuram/population)


Zealousideal_Key7036

Stop pushing the Malappuram propaganda. Communals are using this as a stepping stone to have a seperate district in a few years and then a state... There are enough schools and seats not just in Malappuram, but when taking whole kerala into account.. that's exactly why this seats not there propaganda dies off every time once school admissions are done with.


anon_grad420

Can you explain more about this


Entharo_entho

Stop blaming the students. I too will stop.


solteiro1234

They need to make the SSLC stricter, every one passes the exam even if they don't study,


Own_Jackfruit1833

dude how old are you


solteiro1234

5


Own_Jackfruit1833

ethra kollam munne?


Frequent_Feed3550

So there's a population explosion in Malappuram?


Actual_Issue9655

๐Ÿคซ I got downvoted for saying that.


coderwhohodl

Alapuzha have higher population density. So?


Frequent_Feed3550

I'm talking about population explosion, not density. There's a difference.


DukeOfLongKnifes

Korae okkae udaayippaanu.. Pinnae govt could assist religious or political institutions to start state syllabus based private schools. Appo pinnae teachers inu athrem salary um varoola. Govt inu expenses um kurakaam...


GaleZero

Aided school เดคเดจเตเดจเต† เดŽเด™เตเด™เดจเต†เดฏเต‹ เดคเดŸเตเดŸเต€เด‚ เดฎเตเดŸเตเดŸเดฟเด‚ เด…เดฃเต เดชเต‹เดฃเดคเต... เด…เดคเต เดชเต‹เดฒเต† เด•เตˆเดฏเตเดฏเดฟเดŸเตเดŸเต เดตเดพเดฐเตฝ เด‰เดฃเตเดŸเต. Private school with state syllabus will still need to collect high fees. เด…เด™เตเด™เดจเต† เด•เตŠเดŸเตเด•เตเด•เดพเตป parents inte เด•เตˆเดฏเดฟเตฝ เด‰เดฃเตเดŸเต‡เตฝ private CBSE school เดตเดฟเดŸเตเดŸเดพเตฝ เดชเต‹เดฐเต† ?


DukeOfLongKnifes

All people who apply in govt institutions aren't poor. Even I ensured my brother and nephews join govt schools for +1/+2 to ensure better grades. Ee mark vaarikoori kodukal nirthiyaal thannae kurae paer kurayum. Pinnae private schools ilae teachers get paid around 8K-25k. That is like half or 1/8 of what govt teachers get. Appo salaries korae okkae controllable aanu.. Ippolathae online study materials okkae upayoghichal korae okkae elluppam aanu..


GaleZero

All your solution does is provide people with the means to game the system. Government seat เด•เดฟเดŸเตเดŸเดพเดคเต† เด•เตเดฏเดพเดทเต เด‰เดณเตเดณ เด†เตพเด•เตเด•เดพเตผเด•เตเด•เต เดฎเดพเดคเตเดฐเต‡ เดญเดฒเด‚ เดšเต†เดฏเตเดณเตเดณเต‚. เด…เดฒเตเดฒเดพเดคเตเดคเดตเตผ เดชเดฟเดจเตเดจเต‡เด‚ เดชเต†เดŸเตเดŸเดฟเดฒเตเดฒเต‡... เดชเดฟเดจเตเดจเต† เดŸเต€เดšเตเดšเตผ เดธเดพเดฒเดฑเดฟ เด•เตเดฑเดตเต เด…เดฃเต เดŽเดจเตเดจเต เดตเต†เดšเตเดšเต เด’เดฐเต เดชเตเดฐเตˆเดตเดฑเตเดฑเต เดธเตเด•เต‚เดณเตเด•เดณเตเด‚ เดซเต€เดธเต เด•เตเดฑเด•เดฟเดฒเตเดฒ. เดˆ เดฎเดพเตผเด•เต เด•เดพเดฃเดฟเดšเตเดšเต เด•เตŠเดฑเต‡ เด•เต‚เดŸเต† เด†เตพเด•เตเด•เดพเดฐเต† เดตเดฒ เด‡เดŸเตเดŸเต เดชเดฟเดŸเดฟเด•เตเด•เดฏเต† เด‰เดณเตเดณเต‚. เด…เดคเต เดฎเดพเดฑเตเดจเดคเดฟเดจเต‹เดŸเต เดŽเดจเดฟเด•เตเด•เต เดฏเต‹เดœเดฟเดชเตเดชเต เด‰เดฃเตเดŸเต. เดชเดฟเดจเตเดจเต† เด‡เดคเดฟเดจเต เด’เด•เตเด•เต† เด•เตเดตเดพเดณเดฟเดฑเตเดฑเดฟ ensure เดšเต†เดฏเตเดฏเดฃเด‚. เดˆ starting เดซเดฃเตเดŸเต เดฎเดพเดคเตเดฐเด‚ เด•เตŠเดŸเตเดคเตเดคเดฟเดŸเตเดŸเต เดจเดพเดณเต† เด•เตเดตเดพเดณเดฟเดฑเตเดฑเดฟ/เดซเต†เดธเดฟเดฒเดฟเดฑเตเดฑเดฟ เด‡เดฒเตเดฒ เดŽเด™เตเด•เดฟเตฝ เด‡เดคเตเด‚ เด—เดตเตบเดฎเต†เตปเตเดฑเต เดจเต‹เด•เตเด•เต‡เดฃเตเดŸเดฟ เดตเดฐเตเด‚. เด…เดคเต เดฎเดพเดคเตเดฐเด‚ เด…เดฒเตเดฒ เดชเด เดฟเดšเตเดšเต เด‡เดฑเด™เตเด™เตเดจเตเดจ เด•เตเดŸเตเดŸเดฟเด•เดณเตเดŸเต† เดญเดพเดตเดฟ เดŽเดจเตเดคเต เด†เด•เตเด‚?


DukeOfLongKnifes

>All your solution does is provide people with the means to game the system. Immediate problem : Lack of seats. Faster solution : open up higher secondary in aided institutions. And that is what these religious dudes want. But the govt is cash strapped. And these additional teachers will become deadweight in the long run. Each aided school teacher will fetch aided school owner 25-40 lacs. Alternate solution: open private institutions with the help of other religious institutions with lower fees for a few years. We have too much man power who refuses to work in blue collar industries or remains unemployed due to 'kudumba mahima' related reasons. Quality of education in kerala: enikku onnum parayaan illa.. njan college il ethiyappol aanu teachers okke enthu mandanmaar aayirunnu ennu thirichariyunathu....


GaleZero

>open up higher secondary in aided institutions. And that is what these religious dudes want. But the govt is cash strapped. And these additional teachers will become deadweight in the long run. Would it ? These teachers will continue to teach the next classes too right ? They are working for said money so how are they dead weight? >Alternate solution: open private institutions with the help of other religious institutions with lower fees for a few years. We have too much man power who refuses to work in blue collar industries or remains unemployed due to 'kudumba mahima' related reasons. The problem isn't finding teachers. The problem is giving kids affortable quality education for all sections of society. Which it doesn't solve.


DukeOfLongKnifes

>Would it ? These teachers will continue to teach the next classes too right ? They are working for said money so how are they dead weight? Govt would be spending in one case while parents would be spending in the other case. It is difficult to fire govt employees. A private teacher would leave when it isn't sustainable. They could enter gulf based teacher markets for a better salary with their experience. Now quality education isn't possible anyway with the infrastructure we have. Even the colleges are shitty in that aspect.


GaleZero

Why are we firing them? We obviously need them because there isn't enough seats and by extension teachers >giving kids affortable quality education for all sections of society. And this problem still remains unsolved


Entharo_entho

Why do you think that people doing a job should be underpaid and denied of employment benefits?


DukeOfLongKnifes

Private institution allae.. govt allalo salary kodukkunae... Salary will be based on what other private institutions pay..


Entharo_entho

Ennittu?


DukeOfLongKnifes

Do you even know why many govt vacancies are undermanned? Old people are not dying earlier. At least the govt has to change laws to utilise pensioners in these kinds of private schools and colleges. They just need to add some benefits. These retired people would have a wealth of knowledge.


Entharo_entho

Variety ayittundu


DukeOfLongKnifes

https://preview.redd.it/j5dwbw47hp8d1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47df63b2f2bafbc1e212a0c8262df27cc974c701


Sv0777

This issue will keep on increasing in future unless the root cause is addressed, which is the high population growth in malappuram.


DeadAssDodo

So the Mala bar is reproducing much faster than elsewhere!


MuggleBornSquib

Can someone actually explain why government isnt doing anythingabout the shirtage of seats in malabar even after all these years?


GaleZero

High population growth combined with higher change in % persuing higher education..


MuggleBornSquib

So why cant state plan accordingly? Isnt that the point of state?


GaleZero

Because you can't just prop out school out of thin air. Remember it's relatively recently most people started sending kids to govt schools. Now that's not to say government is innocent in this but it's not able to keep up with growth.


adiyaalan

Malappuramkarodu aa prasava machininte switch off aakkaan para!


phil_an_thropist

Banking is down Finance is down The education system is down More to go


Big-Truck-3924

Why they increase the no: of A+ studentsโ€ฆ. Its more political than the actual.


sexzycouple1985

Why more kids in North Kerala ?


Actual_Issue9655

Everyone knows why there is shortage for seats only in Malappuram. No one dares to speak it out. Sanghi aakkum.


coderwhohodl

Alapuzha have higher population density. Your point is mute


Actual_Issue9655

My point went around 16 km above your head. The rate of increase in population is what makes it hard to develop enough infrastructure, including schooling. By the time you develop infra considering 100 students per km, the number of students would have already reached 200. And so on. If you want to speak numbers, bring in the population growth rate or fertility rate. I have both ready.


coderwhohodl

Ok give the population rate data for all the districts. Letโ€™s see how drastically different it is JUST for malappuram, compared to other districts, and whether itโ€™s as dramatic lile your hypothetical BS (100 to 200 lmao). Fertility rate is too low for Christians (lower than natural replacement level, which is not even healthy). Thatโ€™s not other peopleโ€™s problem. Get married and have kids before your sex drive become barren due to p*rn induced ED and what not.


Actual_Issue9655

>Ok give the population rate data for all the districts. || || |Thiruvananthapuram|16.01| |Kollam|14.55| |Pathanamthitta|15.26| |Alappuzha|12.36| |Kottayam|16.98| |Idukki|15.15| |Ernakulam|15.38| |Thrissur|18.93| |Palakkad|15.76| |Malappuram|22.54| || || |Kozhikode|20.24| |Wayanad|18.69| |Kannur|19.31| |Kasaragod|17.49| The metric is birth rate per 1000 population. The year of data is 2005 since that is the closest one corresponding to the current crisis of Plus One seats. See for yourself how dramatically different Malappuram is. Kozhikode being the trailing second. I do not wish to bring in religion there, but since you were happy to point fingers to Christians as a demographic group, I have to point my fingers to Islam here. Muslim populated districts suffer the most from population explosion. >whether itโ€™s as dramatic lile your hypothetical BS (100 to 200 lmao). Come on. Don't be naive. Learn to put in a bit of brain. Then you might be able to see between illustrative figures and actual figures. Let me know if you still need help.


DukeOfLongKnifes

>Fertility rate is too low for Christians (lower than natural replacement level, which is not even healthy). Thatโ€™s not other peopleโ€™s problem. Endangered species onnum allallo...malayalees thannae allae...


coderwhohodl

They themselves disagree with you though! โ€˜Procreate more, win big rewardsโ€™: Kerala Catholic commission sends out message to believers https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/procreate-more-win-big-rewards-kerala-catholic-commission-sends-out-message-to-believers-101628019334687-amp.html


DukeOfLongKnifes

That is church, not people.


Endtimes2022

Am I the only one who read the last news headline missing the Colon punctuation completely and wondering how sexist and un-cool the headline was.